EPTOn January 11 2014 06:19 Derrida wrote:
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On January 11 2014 03:16 Giggletummy wrote: @HF It's not an assumption. I personally find all the extra fluff to be anti-town. It adds pages, provides things to do for people that aren't scumhunting (even if you are using it for a purpose), and it fluffs your filter up. It also encourages rayn to add fluff now too. Regardless of what posting scooby doo stuff does for you, it has an effect on the rest of the thread, and it may not be helpful for everyone. Let alone the fact that people aren't "assuming" your scooby doo stuff to be anti-town, some people just think it is. Not an assumption, an opinion. For instance, I think it's anti-town right now. For instance, this is your opinion. You would be in a better spot if people played along. But other people may disagree. They're not assuming differently, they're not necessarily scummy for disagreeing, you are both assuming different things. @everyone that isn't HF, #HF *friendly rhinoceros noises* Holyflare attacks derrida for drawing conclusions between unflipped players. Holyflare has been drawing conclusions between unflipped players. Derrida does not turn hard on this and bop HF, but it's there. I don't care who you are; that's scummy right there. Why have you told people to vote me based on stuff that wasn't even true but not put a vote down yourself? | ||
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On January 11 2014 08:10 Giggletummy wrote: Specifically, I do think you've drawn some associations between players. You certainly have, in looking at who mocsta did or didn't respond to. Grabbing derrida's other game makes you look good though, and I agree with your statements that the two filters look different. That act alone is more than enough to make you a poor D1 lynch candidate in my opinion. Are you trying to portray my "associative tells" as bad because acting differently to a certain person is definitely substantial compared to derrida who drew associative tells based on.....? Yes, absolutely nothing. Yet you jumped on ME for that instead of him. Why is that? Why have you still failed to address anything that has happened surrounding derrida's almost lynch, his scummyness of his first posts to some people or his play thus far. All you have done is pretty much +1 what i've been saying now. | ||
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Mocsta Here is his filter in B2B. (I suggest reading up to page 4 or 5 to get a general jist of how he hunts for scum as town) Notice on pages 3 and 4 how he initiates discussion about EVERY player that he thinks is scummy or worth mentioning, now, once you have read that I want you to reread everything that has happened in his filter in this game, Mocsta's filter. I specifically want to draw your attention to his attitude in this game, specifically all the aura of not giving a crap what happens. Look at this for example: On January 10 2014 19:33 Mocsta wrote: Yeah I could, but there is no point having active fronts open with 3/4 of the game. FYI, I have already engaged in dialogue with WoS/GigglyTummy and am waiting a response. /BBL There is a COMPLETE change in his attitude between this game and that. Why does he refuse to participate in discussion? Another scum tell is posting for the sake of posting which I brought up before: On January 10 2014 19:22 Mocsta wrote: Official Callout. The morning has passed and I'm still waiting for this to come to fruition. We already know that he is suspicious of Derrida because of his vote on him and intent to lynch based on being the L-1 vote. Yet, what does this post achieve? Absolutely nothing. Derrida isn't going to feel threatened by it, it doesn't attempt to solve the game and it doesn't add anything to anyones capacity to read himself. So why do it? It's an attempt to appear to post while actually not caring about the game. Typical attitude of rolling scum when you don't want to. To the people that may not know mocsta well, we play voice mafia an awful lot on the TL teamspeak and so I know how frustrated he gets when he is town and people pile onto a person without discussion and end up quick voting off people in an instant majority lynch. Yet, here we are in this game and he votes a person with 8 posts in his filter with the intent to lynch him by being the L-1 voter. That is extremely dangerous and I know he knows better than to do that without more information as town. ##Vote Mocsta | ||
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On January 11 2014 10:44 Giggletummy wrote: Mocsta has played enough town games that I'd like to look through more than just the one, but noted. Second point I don't care about, because following up on a suspicion or pointing out broken promises often a townie thing to do, shows he's staying with his read, knows what Derrida has been saying, and is trying to get more out of Derrida. Voice mafia stuff or IML stuff I can't comment on. So your conclusion....? | ||
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This attitude of straight out accusing people without developing reads and not giving a shit about what anyone says is indicative of scum mocsta. Just because his attitude is different from both his town and scum games does not mean that his actions are NOT scummy. | ||
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This attitude of straight out accusing people without developing reads and not giving a shit about what anyone says is indicative of scum mocsta. Just because his attitude is different from both his town and scum games does not mean that his actions are NOT scummy. In fact, now that I think about it, his attitude is very VERY like mine was in B2B. | ||
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On January 11 2014 13:28 Giggletummy wrote: Your case/vote was B2B comparison + followup on derrida + voice mafia/IML comments. I can't prove or disprove the voice mafia/IML comments, but it would be curious for you to lie about that. I disagree with your characterization of following up with derrida saying he'd do something. So I'm left with the B2B comparison to consider. Yes, mocsta's lazier attitude does not make him not scum, but it makes your case look weaker, because you didn't present those thoughts before. You just compared his play to one town game and went with that. I'm not playing a 1 on 1 game with you so when I make a statement I expect you to do research to verify whether my claims are true or not in regards to meta because that is what a sensible towny would do and it allows me to see who is putting effort into this game. You can look into games where he is both scum and town I do not need to provide all the evidence because based on Mocsta's post I can pretty much confirm him as scum in my mind so I find it INCREDIBLY suspicious that he is your favourite out of me/rayn/him. | ||
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On January 11 2014 13:42 Mocsta wrote: The issue is Derrida that HF thinks he knows me from playing numerous games of voice mafia together so has put together what he considers a personality thing. What he doesnt add into his consideration (whether intentionally or not) is that Im not meant to be playing mafia this yaer. I said my last game woudl be my last. I changed my mind for some personal reasons, but my willingness/time committments are different. His meta case is terrible because its based on outdated information. My issue with him is how he has used a forced read on you as a medium to pursue other people. I find that scummy. Rayn has done the same thing. I think Artanis looks better for sticking to his guns in general. I still havent read your posts in detail so my scum subset is {Derrida, Rayn, HF}. Like this post is SO full of crap, it's actually funny. Whether he decides to play or not in this game adds no relevance to the past present or future or any of your reads. It is wholly meant to discredit what I am saying. The REAL REAL issue I have with his post is this: His meta case is terrible because its based on outdated information. My issue with him is how he has used a forced read on you as a medium to pursue other people. I find that scummy. Rayn has done the same thing. The case I linked (B2B is a very very recent game with him and I in it), the game I talked about where we rolled scum was LXIII Here is Mocsta's filter seeing as this was also the most recent game (LXIV only just started today) I find it ridiculous that he says his that it is in fact "outdated" when it is most definitely not. Now, to top that all off here are things that he does that do not follow a logical towny thought process in this post: 1. As you all remember his only contributions this game have been calling out Derrida and voting him. You'd think on his return to the thread the first thing he'd be looking out for was posts on the way that Derrida has made to confirm or refute his thought process. The fact that his first post states that he has not read posts from Derrida in detail is a red flag for me. I still havent read your posts in detail so my scum subset is {Derrida, Rayn, HF}. 2. For someone who was SO SO confident that Derrida was scum (he never took his vote off Derrida after he put it on there) and was allowing him to be hammered (even if he didn't know what the votes were - he should make it 100% certain as town because he has intent to lynch) based on 8 posts in his filter, the thing that would be on Mocsta's mind is that Derrida is most likely/probably scum from his perspective and so when you read the post at the top his interaction with Derrida would be aprehensive/taken aback/not trying to convince Derrida that I am scum because of discrediting his post. Yet, as we can see this is quite clearly not the case, his words act like he's trying to tell Derrida that I am scummy rather than the reaction that Mocsta should of had if he was town. On January 11 2014 13:36 Giggletummy wrote: HF have you played many games with rayn? Yes, I have played many many games with rayn and so when I say I will not lynch him 100% today I mean it because I think the thought process he has laid out makes him look more towny and the vote switching that people usually accredit to scum are staple rayn moves as both alignments so that should be a non-alignment indicative action. In fact that indecision is what I see rayn do when he doesn't know what to think between his choices. All I can say to the rest of you is that what reason does someone have to switch their votes all the time as scum? You can say he would be trying to start a wagon on someone by throwing shit at people and seeing what sticks but where is he pushing everyone to vote his targets? It isn't happening. He's got a read of potentially 3 people and when they do something that he thinks is scummy he votes that person. | ||
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On January 11 2014 12:35 Giggletummy wrote: Why not tonight? You, HF, mocsta probably have a scum or two in there, keep on fighting and let's pick out the scum! This is also a ridiculous thing to say. If I was scum I could just bandwagon on with the rest of the people that were voting Derrida (who I think is town) and nobody would think anything of it because the majority of the people on the wagon wouldn't think too heavily on that individual action yet here he is still alive and kicking. You still have not even mentioned that lynch whatsoever other than to stop it. Why is that? Is there no information to be gathered from that entire debacle? Why should there "probably" be a scum between me,rayn and mocsta? There is no basis for this statement, no justification and you expect us to follow it? If you are thinking that there is scum between one of us 3 why have you only gone so far as to research Mocsta's meta so deeply yet have not looked into me and rayn (but we are your scummy reads right and mocsta isn't really anymore?) but still call us scummy. Why should I be the one telling you about rayn's games and putting in all the work. Why don't you convince ME of a read instead of driving on asking questions with no real conclusions. | ||
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On January 11 2014 14:00 Giggletummy wrote: The newbie filter is worth looking at because bright-eyed fresh mocsta was using all sorts of bold and italics and lists and making these giant headings and just prettying up his posts. And now he is a grizzled infantryman, down in the trenches, posting nary a space or punctuation mark, and sometimes he only types in wingdings. At least some of this post contains true statements. His initial post in LXIII has headings and colours and fonts, guess what, he was scum. I am not looking into a newbie game when he has played well over 10 other games that he has evolved in. His most recent games are by far the most representative. It's his actions in this game that contain many red flags: 1) Not caring if I vote him 2) Not forming a case on me (when he thinks I am scum..?) but instead just trying to discredit invdividual parts of the argument instead (classic tell of scum vs town) 3) Voting someone with 8 posts in a game without allowing him to defend despite his meta of hating people that do that (artanis and rayn can confirm) 4) His quite clear dislike of me forming a read based on personality from voice mafia: The issue is Derrida that HF thinks he knows me from playing numerous games of voice mafia together so has put together what he considers a personality thing. However at the beginning of the game he said: On January 10 2014 02:33 Mocsta wrote: Too much voice mafia influence I think here :S but then very soon after that was quite comfortable slipping back into the groove of trolling (even though posts were starting to get more serious) by stating random things from voice mafia: On January 10 2014 08:51 Mocsta wrote: HF How come you didnt claim medic? On January 10 2014 08:51 Mocsta wrote: Artanis How come you didnt claim jester? | ||
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2) Not forming a case on me (when he thinks I am scum..?) but instead just trying to discredit invdividual parts of the argument instead (classic tell of scum vs town) should read:2) Not forming a case on me (when he thinks I am scum..?) but instead just trying to discredit invdividual parts of the argument TO HIS ORIGINAL TOP SCUM READ (classic tell of scum vs town) | ||
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Accusation: - Weak cases - Opportune efforts to jump onto players - Misrepresented logic to force a read - Overt commitment on early reads - Conveniently ignores evidence that works against him. - Over exerting "our" time together. What HF doesn't tell you in our combined scum game is that *I* lasted 48hrs and didn't interact with him. Yet he thinks he has the keys to my head. - Made 1 proper case this game only on Mocsta - I haven't jumped on anyone other than Mocsta and it most certainly isn't opportune when people's consensus was NOT on him - I made an initial read that Derrida was town based on the wagon that was formed, I inflated it incredibly to be confirmed town to see who would react to things like that. You think I can outright confirm someone just like that without having a plan? - Not really sure where this has ocurred - Just because I don't have the keys to his head does not mean I haven't read his other games. I am good at analysing IMO and this is what information I've gathered over my time playing with him. His case is baseless (it's not even a case as there is no factual evidence........?), his read on Derrida has now come to the same conclusion that I had stated already, in fact his whole read is pretty much based on what I've been saying. Also, why would I want Derrida's trust lolololol? He has 1 newbie game and 0 influence. Best partner to gain trust. | ||
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On January 11 2014 15:43 Mocsta wrote: I'm working on a $300million project that is behind schedule. I still find time to post as town or scum. Stop laying on the excuses. Now look at the difference between our posting content and say the same thing. | ||
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