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On January 08 2014 14:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 14:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 08 2014 14:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for yours his explanation is a little convoluted but where you say it's only possible for scum to do what he did, I say it is entirely possible for town to lose thought processes/lie/have shitty explanations for things as well. If anything I'd be more inclined to know from thrawn why he felt the need to continually try to bait reactions in the first place?
Okay so do you think it's reasonable to lose your train of thought in 14 minutes as thrawn is suggesting happened? Also do you buy his explanation of being too stoned and how does it make sense because before the argument yamato politely asked thrawn to not post if he does not have a clear head? Well the second sentence is meh because if one doesn't have a clear head in the first place they're bound not to follow instructions like that  As for the first one I suppose you have a point...? But then you're suggesting I guess that his original entire excuse and way to defend himself was 'guise I'm too high to play mafia' which seems like a terrible thing to do as scum. People have been lynched for way less.
And i have only been lynched as mafia because i was too drunk. 
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On January 08 2014 15:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 14:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 14:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 08 2014 14:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for yours his explanation is a little convoluted but where you say it's only possible for scum to do what he did, I say it is entirely possible for town to lose thought processes/lie/have shitty explanations for things as well. If anything I'd be more inclined to know from thrawn why he felt the need to continually try to bait reactions in the first place?
Okay so do you think it's reasonable to lose your train of thought in 14 minutes as thrawn is suggesting happened? Also do you buy his explanation of being too stoned and how does it make sense because before the argument yamato politely asked thrawn to not post if he does not have a clear head? Well the second sentence is meh because if one doesn't have a clear head in the first place they're bound not to follow instructions like that As for the first one I suppose you have a point...? But then you're suggesting I guess that his original entire excuse and way to defend himself was 'guise I'm too high to play mafia' which seems like a terrible thing to do as scum. People have been lynched for way less. And i have only been lynched as mafia because i was too drunk.
Actually this is not true, i forgot the ##'s game where i legitmately fucked up and got caught.
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On January 08 2014 15:00 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 14:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No you actually do the opposite and answer all the cases there are and give opinions on them so definitely does not make you scum based on meta. What? I don't understand this post.
I read your D1 in Les.
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On January 08 2014 15:07 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 15:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 08 2014 15:00 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 14:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No you actually do the opposite and answer all the cases there are and give opinions on them so definitely does not make you scum based on meta. What? I don't understand this post. I read your D1 in Les. I gambled and won! But wait, for bonus points, did I not do that in this game?
No you didn't, which is more scummy than what you did in Les.
Anyways meta does not "prove" you are scum because of it, it does not prove you are town either.
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You are either lazy or scum and you should stop being lazy if you are town.
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On January 08 2014 15:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 15:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You are either lazy or scum and you should stop being lazy if you are town. Wat. How exactly am I lazy aside from asking you to link a case for me? I don't think I've been lazy in the slightest. And I'm not following where the 'or scum' comes from either.
Because town players are interested in figuring out stuff and commenting on most interesting topics there are in the thread. Regardless of your alignment you either think my case is not good or for some other reason you did not want to comment on it. When i specifically asked you to comment on it you didn't even remember the case and wanted me to point out where the case was.
That suggests to me you are not reading the thread closely (as you did not remember the case at all) which means you are lazy, or that you for some reason didn't want to either +1 my case or tell me you think the case is bad or does not make thrawn mafia. If it is "for some reason" i can't think of a townie reason and if you were not lazy i think you are scum.
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Seriously, why do i even need to explain this to you?
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On January 08 2014 15:34 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 15:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 08 2014 15:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 15:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You are either lazy or scum and you should stop being lazy if you are town. Wat. How exactly am I lazy aside from asking you to link a case for me? I don't think I've been lazy in the slightest. And I'm not following where the 'or scum' comes from either. Because town players are interested in figuring out stuff and commenting on most interesting topics there are in the thread. Regardless of your alignment you either think my case is not good or for some other reason you did not want to comment on it. When i specifically asked you to comment on it you didn't even remember the case and wanted me to point out where the case was. That suggests to me you are not reading the thread closely (as you did not remember the case at all) which means you are lazy, or that you for some reason didn't want to either +1 my case or tell me you think the case is bad or does not make thrawn mafia. If it is "for some reason" i can't think of a townie reason and if you were not lazy i think you are scum. Your bias because you noticed I didn't specifically comment on your case or remember it doesn't make me scum OR lazy. How do I have to point that out to you? Like wtf is this? Just because I don't comment or agree with you I immediately must be working against you?
Lemme try to be as clear as possible as i think you have misuderstood something.
Here's what happened. I made a case on thrawn. you did not comment on it in any way. That's not necessarily alignment indicative, but i wanted to know what you thought about the case because it helps me in getting a better read on you and to some extent on thrawn by proxy, as i could be making a bad case, but in any way i think my case is important because otherwise i would not have made it.
I am expecting one of three different answers:
1) "I think your case is good, i agree with it."
In this case you are probably scum because if you thought the case was good then why did i need to prod you into answering it in the first place?
2) "I think your case is not good, i disagree with it because of XYZ."
In this case i consider if your reasons for debunking my case are good enough which makes you town, or if they are bullshit in which case you are scum.
3) "What case?"
In this case you are clearly not reading the thread properly because by default, if you have read the thread, you would remember i have made a case on thrawn. This could be because you are lazy and just didn't read the thread or you are mafia and for some reason are avoiding to comment on the case.
The answer you gave me was (3). Okay, next thing i want to know is if you are lazy or scum. I point out where the case is and ask you to comment on it. Then we go back to (1) or (2), with same outcomes, but with a difference that if you give answer (1) you are definitely scum because townies never forget there was a good case in thread and not comment on it. If you give answer (2) i don't know if you are scum or town, because i can't be sure if you were just lazy or if you are lying about not reading properly and just did not want to comment on it.
So, my conclusion is, that you were lazy or that you are bullshitting and you are mafia. It's impossible to tell which one is true. However, i told you to not be lazy any more if you are town because that's not how townies should play, so if you are lazy in the future i am inclined to think you are not playing towards town's win condition and are scum.
If you do scummy stuff in the future this argument between us should be revisited and re-examined and judged amongst other things you have done in this game. Right now it is a null tell.
That's my thought process. Hope you understand.
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@ yamato (mainly);
On January 08 2014 13:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn:
Well then you should not post when you are under influence. I stopped posting drunk when i realized that's a fucking terrible idea. yamato even asked you to stop posting last night when you told us you are stoned.
WoS:
I try to elaborate as well as i can onto yamato. What yamato does as mafia is two things. He does not play for an all game plan. He plays for (1) survival, usually lurks, and (2) fuels arguments between townies. 1 and 2 are important, usually lurking is something that's not so important as he is able to change that if he wants to.
1) This can be seen in GoT, where i played scum with him. We had a game plan from the beginning but yamato's mindset was pretty much "i won't get lynched on D1". I don't remember he was doing much else than trying to survive D2.
2) This can be seen from 4 Persona, where yamato's pure purpose was to fuel me vs you argument until it ended up in a townie lynch. After that he discredited me for all D2, but when i basically solved the game on N2 he had no other option than to night kill me, even though i lynched a cop on D1 and had a red check on me. That's how "confident" yamato feels his scumplay is.
What he has done in this game is neither of those things. Would you not consider his last couple of posts 'confident' in him not getting lynched today? I dunno Rayn it's like I said to WBG, I am not particularly good at meta, and I very rarely see it getting used well so I can't really take reads solely based on meta into account. I see what yamato has done in this game, and it's scummy.
I think atm this is the only post/argument that could make WoS scum.
He does not explain how what yamato has done in this game is scummy. Because yamato hasn't done anything besides argued with me up to this point. So where the scumread is based on? Lurker lynch? No, because WoS said yamato is scummy. Meta? No, because WoS said he's not good at meta so he does not use it.
So exactly why is what yamato has done up to this point of the game scummy?
I agree with your read on iamp to some extent. Not confident enough to say he is scum but want to see more from him - especially now that you started contributing.
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yamato and thrawn you still around?
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On January 08 2014 16:54 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 16:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
He wanted to lynch you before WoS became a wagon.
Where in his filter can you not find a coherent thought process? I don't understand why he switched to WoS, nor do I understand why he switched off. Nor does he seem interested in trying to figure out many people's alignments in this game. Much of his filter, like Cora's, is comprised of "lynch yamato because he's lurking" which is just not good justification.
This, atm it seems to me as well iamp is trying to find a lynch, not figuring out alignments.
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On January 08 2014 17:01 yamato77 wrote:
All this said, I'm pretty sure I'm wrong about at least one read, because I really don't think all three of these players are mafia together. If I had to pick, I feel least confident about Cora because, well, he is really whiney this game and his town play isn't exactly a gold standard of excellence.
The problem with Corazon is he uses arguments like "WBG is mafia because he refuses to play the game".
First of all if he did read between the lines what WBG said there was: "I am pressuring yamato to contribute. This is also a message to every player in this game i want everyone to contribute. If you don't, you are scum, because there is no reason for a townie to talk and interact with people. My vote however does not mean i won't do shit, which i prove to you here Corazon, by asking you about your reads and stuff". Somehow Corazon twists this into "I have done much more than you so don't tell me i have not done shit - you are scum because you haven't done shit and you are not trying to play the game".
Okay, i could see that coming from town Corazon, he could think so. But when i make a case on thrawn, he does not apparently even read the case (or if he does - he misrepresents it totally - which makes him scum). He calls the case OMGUS and the argument between me and thrawn a "shitstorm which will ruin the town". This is totally not the case.
He shuts down a case based on incorrect things and stupid assumptions and refuses to contribute towards the case in itself. When asked to do so multiple times he still refuses to do so, but instead he calls thrawn town for other reasons (hint: that's an entirely incorrect way to play mafia and fucking scummy). Not only that, when i ask for his reasons for calling thrawn town (what Corazon sees as thrawn's contributions to scumhunting) he again refuses to answer and instead says he won't answer because of the pressure that's on him. Again, fucking scummy.
TLDR;
He (incorrectly) calls WBG mafia for not playing the game when in fact it's him who is not playing the game. He repeatedly refuses to explain his logic (which should be very easy thing to do for a town player) - something that is a foundation in proving your own towniness and therefore reducing the suspect pool. In addition to that he shuts down cases with no reasoning which equals shutting down the discussion which equals not playing the game, which is a scumtell by his own definition.
And that's my case on him.
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thrawn comments on WoS and iamp cases?
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On January 08 2014 17:27 mkfuba07 wrote:
Unexpected flu is replacing all of my free time with "try to catch up on sleep" time. Symptoms appear to be gone as of now, though, so I'm hoping my activity will pick up as we move into N1.
Only thing I have to say at the moment is that I'm still up for a Cora lynch. I assume that my posts about him make me one of the people "taking all of his posts and twisting them into lies," but he hasn't responded to what I've said in any way, even though numerous people have agreed at various times throughout the day that it's a valid point.
Wish I could participate more in discussion, but I've got about 6 hours before I have to be up again for class, and I'd like to fill it with as much sleep as possible. I should be free for a few hours leading up to the deadline.
tbh at the time you made the comment about Corazon i was looking forward to his answer because the argument in itself does not make Corazon mafia and is not even necessarily scummy (depending on his answer). Instead it tells more about your alignment as you were clearly trying to figure out the game and thinking in a townie way.
Could you comment on things that have happened in the last pages?
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yamato, on other people:
fuba, bugs, gumshoe town - agree/disagree?
What do you think of thrawn?
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On January 08 2014 17:37 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 17:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato, on other people:
fuba, bugs, gumshoe town - agree/disagree?
What do you think of thrawn? Agree mostly on town reads. Gumshoe is the weakest though, he hasn't been around much since the start. Thrawn is an enigma. He's here, but not posting much. I don't think he's mafia but it's hard to find concrete reasons to call him town.
The one thing i find out scummy about thrawn is what i said in my case. It's the exact same thing he did in the last game, said stuff that he hadn't thought through (at least it seemed so). Like i can understand him being stoned and not remembering what he did the day before but i am not sure if i buy him losing his train of thought in 14 minutes (yes, it was 14 minutes between the argument and his refusal to answering me and moving on to other things). Imo the point of him being "not at his best" is not a valid defense because regardless of your mindset you do think of stuff, let it be a stupid way or a good way. Also he used a same way of "discrediting the argument" he did in his last scum game.
Hope you get what i am trying to say. Being not in a "right mindset to play mafia" does not mean "i did not have a thought process at all" because it's impossible to not have a thought process regardless of or your alignment.
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On January 08 2014 17:40 yamato77 wrote:
JAT seemed like the unfortunate target of WBG's rage. Don't find him particularly suspicious.
CC/Artanis are question marks. Interaction is odd, but I don't know what to make of it. Haven't paid much attention to it.
Kush - kush.
I think you are town, Rayn.
Am I forgetting anyone?
I think we are on the same wavelength. Replace rayn with yamato.
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EBWOP:
Hope you get what i am trying to say. Being not in a "right mindset to play mafia" does not mean "i did not have a thought process at all" because it's impossible to not have a thought process regardless of or your alignment or condition.
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Yes after you have caught up.
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Well after you have state your thoughts on important things going on.
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