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Let me begin by stating that I intentionally decided to play slowly at the start of this game to let it develop independent of my influence. This also has the added benefit of seeing who would vote for me and WHY they would, as well.
Corazon
On January 07 2014 15:36 Corazon wrote:
Wow Yamato. You are really playing to your scum meta.
First, you post two troll posts and then peace out, only to come back and call Rayn cavalier? That seems really hypocritical to me.
There's nothing I've seen that points to Rayn being scum for me. He's playing exactly like I've seen him do countless times as town.
You, on the other hand, are throwing your vote around without any care. You're projecting your scummy traits onto Rayn, just like you did to me in Red Team's Prize. Who else would want to join me on a Yamato lynch?
##Vote: Yamato
First of all, this is absolutely indicative of Corazon having not even read my posts. I said what I said about Rayn to see both how thrawn and Rayn would react to me pointing out posts of Rayn's that had weak justifications. Thrawn I did not catch with my reaction trap, but Rayn took the time to explain himself further and gave reasons that I find agreeable.
Secondly, I'm using my vote intentionally. I voted thrawn, again, to make him react to me. His vote entrance was not very enlightening, so I decided to make him do stuff. Thrawn is not good at mafia, and forcing him to post is a good way to catch him. It turns out he was just high. I don't have many problems with thrawn at the moment.
Lastly, "projecting" is not a scum heuristic.
- Fight with WBG
Not going to quote any specific posts, but honestly, it seems like Cora is being antagonistic on purpose here, similar to how he was acting towards me. Now, town Corazon is certainly capable of arguing, but it's not as if he picks fights like he's been doing up to this point.
On January 08 2014 13:25 Corazon wrote:
Stop stop stop stop stop Rayn and Thrawn.
Thrawn - lynching Rayn D1 is a bad idea. If Rayn is town, he is going to be a great asset to us going forward. He should be a policy lynch if he lasts longer than N2.
Rayn - you need to stop OMGUSing and overreacting when people vote for you. This debate isn't going to help anyone. This is exactly what derailed the game in BttB.
I'm begging for you to please drop this silly argument and resume it D2 or D3. We don't need this right now. Let's focus on actual scummy people like WBG, Yamato, and the inactives (in my opinion, CC, Yamato, Artanis (to an extent), Kush (to an extent, and mkfuba).
Policy lynch Rayn if he's alive N2? Lawl. This reasoning is always a bad justification for defending someone, and it's laughable that Corazon uses it here.
And the list is too good. Let's talk about inactives, you know, a whole bunch of people I haven't even mentioned?
This seems like an effort from a scum Corazon to look like a "mediator", stopping a fight in an effort to "prevent another BttB". It's all too disingenuous coming from Corazon, who I feel like is usually uncaring about people's opinion of him.
WaveofShadow
On January 08 2014 15:42 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 15:37 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 15:35 yamato77 wrote:Let's see here: On January 08 2014 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is trying to figure out my alignment and does not give a shit what everyone (including me) thinks about it.
He is doing stuff his own way, which is not what he does as mafia. This is accurate. On January 08 2014 00:46 mkfuba07 wrote:
The weather outside is frightful -_- Just popping in while I have a few minutes before my first class of the quarter :D
yamato: do you still think my argument about cora makes no sense after I elaborated?
rayn: You said my post made perfect sense, but cora isn't on your scumread list. Por que? Makes sense once you elaborated. As an aside, I do find Cora a somewhat decent lynch target for today given the way he's ridden his "attack" of me as a real contribution to the game. But more on that later when I elaborate on my reads. On January 08 2014 09:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 08 2014 09:27 Corazon wrote:
It's hard to talk to you, WBG. You act like a giant dickwad when some disagrees with you. No. I acted like a dickwad to both you and JAT because you're both proving you can't fucking read. in your case it's probably because you're scum. Kush deserves mountains of shit for being a completely worthless player. I do love WBG, I'm pretty confident he's town. He could be tryharding mafia, but there's no point in him getting worked up and putting in so much effort when so many players in this game are not doing so UNLESS he is town. On January 08 2014 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:23 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 08 2014 10:20 Corazon wrote:On January 08 2014 10:14 iamperfection wrote:
and corzan can you explain how bugs is scum when he decided to go on a huge rant with everyone look at me attitude. Sure seems like to me a non scum thing to do. It's easy for scum to fake that. His logic was not even good. He started calling me dumb because I asked him to actually contribute when he said he wouldn't until I did. He blatantly admitted to not have read the thread and he decided to attack kush, who at the time had 0 posts, and called him stupid until he did some random 180 and called kush town (while keeping his vote on him). He then OMGUSs me when I call him out for it. To me, it looks faked and it looks like he just wants to survive. I'm sorry, what? Most of this shit is just blatantly wrong or misleading. On January 08 2014 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Bring it, suckas.
JAT:
Until prodded endlessly by WBG, he contributed nothing to the thread besides the nitpicking of other people's posts and reads and providing none of his own. Not a huge fan of his posting thus far---a little too 'fence-sitty' for my liking but whateva.
Iamp can I have a looky at you next? Yamato, please. I want to hear your thoughts on him. I'd lynch him atm actually. ##Vote: yamatoI'm used to WAY more effort from him on any given D1 at this point. Too much one-liner, too much shutting down of discussion and negativity---and while he's capable of this as town, he's also capable of better play and I don't mind punishing him. Seriously threatening him is also often a good way to get something good out of him one way or another; see LXIII or LXI for examples. Yamato LOVES being tha D1 lynch. This is an absolute shit reason for voting for me. He doesn't think I'm mafia (nor will he call me mafia), but he's content voting me, and perhaps even lynching me, as punishment for "poor play". This is the second time he's mentioned this exact reasoning, yet it now comes with a vote attached as other players begin to jump on the wagon. Coincidence? WoS will join Corazon in an exposition post later on. Also joining them will be the surprise secret guest, whom I will push a lynch on! Because he's mafia! Oh rearry yamato? Show me who else was on the yamato wagon when I 'jumped on.' Plenty of people had called me mafia or stated suspicion of me by the time you decided to vote for me. But still, the main point is just how scummy your reasoning is. You don't even necessarily think, that how i'm playing makes me mafia, you just want to lynch me for it. It sounds like a circular way for a mafia player to justify voting for a player they know is town. Plus, I'm apparently your only read in this game and the rest of your posts have been extraordinarily useless, as Rayn has been nice enough to point out.
Basically this. If you can't even say you think it makes me mafia, there's no good reason for voting me except if you're mafia.
And for the final scum read...
Drumroll please..
+ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +iamperfection!His entire filter is oneliners except for one random townread of gumshoe. His reasoning is thin, and largely weak. His contribution to the game aside from "kill yamato" is scant. It really looks like he just thinks I'm going to be an easy target. On January 08 2014 11:35 iamperfection wrote:
wave didnt run away and is at least posting thoughts so lets kill yamato
## Unvote
##vote yamato In fact, his entire logic here seems to be "WoS is here, so let's kill the guy who isn't" which is ass. His vote hopping looks horrible and this seems like a dumbed-down version of the usual iamperfection town play which is SIMILAR to this, but usually has a clearer, more coherent thought process than "lynch yamato because he's not here". I'd quote more, but honestly, I think I fairly accurately summed up his filter so far. It's not that difficult to divine that this s just a lazy, scummy iamp looking for an easy lynch. ##Vote: iamperfection
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He wanted to lynch you before WoS became a wagon.
Where in his filter can you not find a coherent thought process?
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I'm not counting a vote inside five spoilers on principle.
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@ yamato (mainly);
On January 08 2014 13:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn:
Well then you should not post when you are under influence. I stopped posting drunk when i realized that's a fucking terrible idea. yamato even asked you to stop posting last night when you told us you are stoned.
WoS:
I try to elaborate as well as i can onto yamato. What yamato does as mafia is two things. He does not play for an all game plan. He plays for (1) survival, usually lurks, and (2) fuels arguments between townies. 1 and 2 are important, usually lurking is something that's not so important as he is able to change that if he wants to.
1) This can be seen in GoT, where i played scum with him. We had a game plan from the beginning but yamato's mindset was pretty much "i won't get lynched on D1". I don't remember he was doing much else than trying to survive D2.
2) This can be seen from 4 Persona, where yamato's pure purpose was to fuel me vs you argument until it ended up in a townie lynch. After that he discredited me for all D2, but when i basically solved the game on N2 he had no other option than to night kill me, even though i lynched a cop on D1 and had a red check on me. That's how "confident" yamato feels his scumplay is.
What he has done in this game is neither of those things. Would you not consider his last couple of posts 'confident' in him not getting lynched today? I dunno Rayn it's like I said to WBG, I am not particularly good at meta, and I very rarely see it getting used well so I can't really take reads solely based on meta into account. I see what yamato has done in this game, and it's scummy.
I think atm this is the only post/argument that could make WoS scum.
He does not explain how what yamato has done in this game is scummy. Because yamato hasn't done anything besides argued with me up to this point. So where the scumread is based on? Lurker lynch? No, because WoS said yamato is scummy. Meta? No, because WoS said he's not good at meta so he does not use it.
So exactly why is what yamato has done up to this point of the game scummy?
I agree with your read on iamp to some extent. Not confident enough to say he is scum but want to see more from him - especially now that you started contributing.
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yamato and thrawn you still around?
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On January 08 2014 16:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
He wanted to lynch you before WoS became a wagon.
Where in his filter can you not find a coherent thought process?
I don't understand why he switched to WoS, nor do I understand why he switched off. Nor does he seem interested in trying to figure out many people's alignments in this game. Much of his filter, like Cora's, is comprised of "lynch yamato because he's lurking" which is just not good justification.
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On January 08 2014 16:54 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 16:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
He wanted to lynch you before WoS became a wagon.
Where in his filter can you not find a coherent thought process? I don't understand why he switched to WoS, nor do I understand why he switched off. Nor does he seem interested in trying to figure out many people's alignments in this game. Much of his filter, like Cora's, is comprised of "lynch yamato because he's lurking" which is just not good justification.
This, atm it seems to me as well iamp is trying to find a lynch, not figuring out alignments.
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On January 08 2014 16:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato and thrawn you still around?
yeah
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On January 08 2014 16:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ yamato (mainly);
Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 13:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn:
Well then you should not post when you are under influence. I stopped posting drunk when i realized that's a fucking terrible idea. yamato even asked you to stop posting last night when you told us you are stoned.
WoS:
I try to elaborate as well as i can onto yamato. What yamato does as mafia is two things. He does not play for an all game plan. He plays for (1) survival, usually lurks, and (2) fuels arguments between townies. 1 and 2 are important, usually lurking is something that's not so important as he is able to change that if he wants to.
1) This can be seen in GoT, where i played scum with him. We had a game plan from the beginning but yamato's mindset was pretty much "i won't get lynched on D1". I don't remember he was doing much else than trying to survive D2.
2) This can be seen from 4 Persona, where yamato's pure purpose was to fuel me vs you argument until it ended up in a townie lynch. After that he discredited me for all D2, but when i basically solved the game on N2 he had no other option than to night kill me, even though i lynched a cop on D1 and had a red check on me. That's how "confident" yamato feels his scumplay is.
What he has done in this game is neither of those things. Would you not consider his last couple of posts 'confident' in him not getting lynched today? I dunno Rayn it's like I said to WBG, I am not particularly good at meta, and I very rarely see it getting used well so I can't really take reads solely based on meta into account. I see what yamato has done in this game, and it's scummy. I think atm this is the only post/argument that could make WoS scum. He does not explain how what yamato has done in this game is scummy. Because yamato hasn't done anything besides argued with me up to this point. So where the scumread is based on? Lurker lynch? No, because WoS said yamato is scummy. Meta? No, because WoS said he's not good at meta so he does not use it. So exactly why is what yamato has done up to this point of the game scummy?
I agree with your read on iamp to some extent. Not confident enough to say he is scum but want to see more from him - especially now that you started contributing.
That's a good point against WoS, and many just reinforces my claim that he's mafia having a really hard time talking his way on top my wagon without looking super suspicious doing it.
I do want to see more from iamp, but I'm predicting a future where he comes in and continues to call me mafia, only now it's because of my attack on him. Repeat this for Corazon, neither player does anything else today but try to get me lynched.
I may like WoS as a lynch more now that you bring up that point.
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All this said, I'm pretty sure I'm wrong about at least one read, because I really don't think all three of these players are mafia together. If I had to pick, I feel least confident about Cora because, well, he is really whiney this game and his town play isn't exactly a gold standard of excellence.
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On January 08 2014 17:01 yamato77 wrote:
All this said, I'm pretty sure I'm wrong about at least one read, because I really don't think all three of these players are mafia together. If I had to pick, I feel least confident about Cora because, well, he is really whiney this game and his town play isn't exactly a gold standard of excellence.
The problem with Corazon is he uses arguments like "WBG is mafia because he refuses to play the game".
First of all if he did read between the lines what WBG said there was: "I am pressuring yamato to contribute. This is also a message to every player in this game i want everyone to contribute. If you don't, you are scum, because there is no reason for a townie to talk and interact with people. My vote however does not mean i won't do shit, which i prove to you here Corazon, by asking you about your reads and stuff". Somehow Corazon twists this into "I have done much more than you so don't tell me i have not done shit - you are scum because you haven't done shit and you are not trying to play the game".
Okay, i could see that coming from town Corazon, he could think so. But when i make a case on thrawn, he does not apparently even read the case (or if he does - he misrepresents it totally - which makes him scum). He calls the case OMGUS and the argument between me and thrawn a "shitstorm which will ruin the town". This is totally not the case.
He shuts down a case based on incorrect things and stupid assumptions and refuses to contribute towards the case in itself. When asked to do so multiple times he still refuses to do so, but instead he calls thrawn town for other reasons (hint: that's an entirely incorrect way to play mafia and fucking scummy). Not only that, when i ask for his reasons for calling thrawn town (what Corazon sees as thrawn's contributions to scumhunting) he again refuses to answer and instead says he won't answer because of the pressure that's on him. Again, fucking scummy.
TLDR;
He (incorrectly) calls WBG mafia for not playing the game when in fact it's him who is not playing the game. He repeatedly refuses to explain his logic (which should be very easy thing to do for a town player) - something that is a foundation in proving your own towniness and therefore reducing the suspect pool. In addition to that he shuts down cases with no reasoning which equals shutting down the discussion which equals not playing the game, which is a scumtell by his own definition.
And that's my case on him.
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thrawn comments on WoS and iamp cases?
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Unexpected flu is replacing all of my free time with "try to catch up on sleep" time. Symptoms appear to be gone as of now, though, so I'm hoping my activity will pick up as we move into N1.
Only thing I have to say at the moment is that I'm still up for a Cora lynch. I assume that my posts about him make me one of the people "taking all of his posts and twisting them into lies," but he hasn't responded to what I've said in any way, even though numerous people have agreed at various times throughout the day that it's a valid point.
Wish I could participate more in discussion, but I've got about 6 hours before I have to be up again for class, and I'd like to fill it with as much sleep as possible. I should be free for a few hours leading up to the deadline.
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On January 08 2014 17:27 mkfuba07 wrote:
Unexpected flu is replacing all of my free time with "try to catch up on sleep" time. Symptoms appear to be gone as of now, though, so I'm hoping my activity will pick up as we move into N1.
Only thing I have to say at the moment is that I'm still up for a Cora lynch. I assume that my posts about him make me one of the people "taking all of his posts and twisting them into lies," but he hasn't responded to what I've said in any way, even though numerous people have agreed at various times throughout the day that it's a valid point.
Wish I could participate more in discussion, but I've got about 6 hours before I have to be up again for class, and I'd like to fill it with as much sleep as possible. I should be free for a few hours leading up to the deadline.
tbh at the time you made the comment about Corazon i was looking forward to his answer because the argument in itself does not make Corazon mafia and is not even necessarily scummy (depending on his answer). Instead it tells more about your alignment as you were clearly trying to figure out the game and thinking in a townie way.
Could you comment on things that have happened in the last pages?
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yamato, on other people:
fuba, bugs, gumshoe town - agree/disagree?
What do you think of thrawn?
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On January 08 2014 17:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato, on other people:
fuba, bugs, gumshoe town - agree/disagree?
What do you think of thrawn?
Agree mostly on town reads. Gumshoe is the weakest though, he hasn't been around much since the start.
Thrawn is an enigma. He's here, but not posting much. I don't think he's mafia but it's hard to find concrete reasons to call him town.
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JAT seemed like the unfortunate target of WBG's rage. Don't find him particularly suspicious.
CC/Artanis are question marks. Interaction is odd, but I don't know what to make of it. Haven't paid much attention to it.
Kush - kush.
I think you are town, Rayn.
Am I forgetting anyone?
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On January 08 2014 17:37 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 17:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato, on other people:
fuba, bugs, gumshoe town - agree/disagree?
What do you think of thrawn? Agree mostly on town reads. Gumshoe is the weakest though, he hasn't been around much since the start. Thrawn is an enigma. He's here, but not posting much. I don't think he's mafia but it's hard to find concrete reasons to call him town.
The one thing i find out scummy about thrawn is what i said in my case. It's the exact same thing he did in the last game, said stuff that he hadn't thought through (at least it seemed so). Like i can understand him being stoned and not remembering what he did the day before but i am not sure if i buy him losing his train of thought in 14 minutes (yes, it was 14 minutes between the argument and his refusal to answering me and moving on to other things). Imo the point of him being "not at his best" is not a valid defense because regardless of your mindset you do think of stuff, let it be a stupid way or a good way. Also he used a same way of "discrediting the argument" he did in his last scum game.
Hope you get what i am trying to say. Being not in a "right mindset to play mafia" does not mean "i did not have a thought process at all" because it's impossible to not have a thought process regardless of or your alignment.
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On January 08 2014 17:40 yamato77 wrote:
JAT seemed like the unfortunate target of WBG's rage. Don't find him particularly suspicious.
CC/Artanis are question marks. Interaction is odd, but I don't know what to make of it. Haven't paid much attention to it.
Kush - kush.
I think you are town, Rayn.
Am I forgetting anyone?
I think we are on the same wavelength. Replace rayn with yamato.
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EBWOP:
Hope you get what i am trying to say. Being not in a "right mindset to play mafia" does not mean "i did not have a thought process at all" because it's impossible to not have a thought process regardless of or your alignment or condition.
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