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VE, this is simple for me:
If you are town, well then fuck I guess, what are you going to do?
But if you are scum, and we let you live....what will this tell us about valid scum strategies for future games? If you are scum and we let you live, you just successfully NOT played the game, and survived. You, and other scum in future games, will see this as a viable strategy.
Scum in next games will just go "I'm under pressure what do I do!!!? Oh wait I'll just give up, appeal to their emotions and they'll let me live, easy as pie". Do you want to see this happening in future games? Do you want to see scum intentionally NOT playing the game, just because it would seem to be a viable strategy for them to survive and push their scum agenda?
That's not how I envision mafia games.
So, I don't want to let you pass VE. It goes beyond this game.
Like I said, this is what made me make my switch to sandro last game. I also don't want to enforce the fact that scum can go AFK for 30 hours, come with a shitty case and coast through the game. I don't want mafia games to be like that, therefore actions like that should not go unpunished.
Same happens to you VE.
Actually, yes, the point that I want to make is that town should punish this kind of behaviour more and more in games. I've seen lots of games where stuff like this happens and the scum coasts through the game and wins (Risen in TLIII anyone?). But town gets second thoughts, or gets too scared to actually do something, and scum win (IMO) unfairly.
On January 26 2014 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a matter of priorities. My first priority is NOT to stay alive. That's scum's first priority. My first priority is to find scum. And I've been trying, but I get shit on every time I try. EVERY TIME. Can you not see how this is frustrating to me?
The problem is that you aren't even attempting to find scum either. You randomly voted your highest townread because of false shitty WIFOM, then parked your vote on the dude with the highest votes. Tell me how that's "finding scum, my #1 priority"?
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You're inventing a narrative to fit your theory of my play gonzaw. I'm explicit in my suspicions of Foolishness all game.
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No. My points are regarding your play this D2. I'm not talking about your play on D1/N1 or course (where you had your suspicions on Foolishness)
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On January 26 2014 04:39 gonzaw wrote:VE, this is simple for me: If you are town, well then fuck I guess, what are you going to do? But if you are scum, and we let you live....what will this tell us about valid scum strategies for future games? If you are scum and we let you live, you just successfully NOT played the game, and survived. You, and other scum in future games, will see this as a viable strategy. Scum in next games will just go "I'm under pressure what do I do!!!? Oh wait I'll just give up, appeal to their emotions and they'll let me live, easy as pie". Do you want to see this happening in future games? Do you want to see scum intentionally NOT playing the game, just because it would seem to be a viable strategy for them to survive and push their scum agenda? That's not how I envision mafia games. So, I don't want to let you pass VE. It goes beyond this game. Like I said, this is what made me make my switch to sandro last game. I also don't want to enforce the fact that scum can go AFK for 30 hours, come with a shitty case and coast through the game. I don't want mafia games to be like that, therefore actions like that should not go unpunished. Same happens to you VE. Actually, yes, the point that I want to make is that town should punish this kind of behaviour more and more in games. I've seen lots of games where stuff like this happens and the scum coasts through the game and wins (Risen in TLIII anyone?). But town gets second thoughts, or gets too scared to actually do something, and scum win (IMO) unfairly. Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a matter of priorities. My first priority is NOT to stay alive. That's scum's first priority. My first priority is to find scum. And I've been trying, but I get shit on every time I try. EVERY TIME. Can you not see how this is frustrating to me? The problem is that you aren't even attempting to find scum either. You randomly voted your highest townread because of false shitty WIFOM, then parked your vote on the dude with the highest votes. Tell me how that's "finding scum, my #1 priority"?
Not to delve into policy too much, but I believe this game to be an exception. People don't policy vote in most games, it's just that we have a lot of clear-thinking, rational people in this game who are ACTUALLY playing, which is an anomaly.
Anyway re: the question about Toad voting for Foolishness, it's more because I find it a little unlikely that if they are both scum you'd attempt to bus this early when the decider is still pretty unclear at this point, but I'm trying to get some thread input. I could totally be wrong about Foolishness, and when people start to agree with me (or at least a lynch I'm supporting) it makes me nervous so I want to poke everywhere I can in every way that I can to be as sure as I can.
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But it doesn't matter. If I haven't been here to do anything, you have to assume that my suspicions are still there. I didn't park my vote on the dude with the highest votes, I voted for the person I think is most likely to be scum.
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On January 26 2014 04:39 gonzaw wrote:
Like I said, this is what made me make my switch to sandro last cycle. I also don't want to enforce the fact that scum can go AFK for 30 hours, come with a shitty case and coast through the game. I don't want mafia games to be like that, therefore actions like that should not go unpunished.
Same happens to you VE.
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VE,
I read back over your filter. I read back over Hapa's.
Hapa Stuff
Hapa may have wanted to kill WoS today, but he was on your nuts D1. A ton of his D1 is back and forth with you and suspicions on you. HE DID CHANGE HIS MIND. Come N1, he didn't post on you as much, but he appears to be less certain on you, trollpost but also indicates that he doesn't think it's an awful idea to lynch you or find you scummy - + Show Spoiler +On January 23 2014 09:18 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 09:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever just lynch me next, I'll help you guys decide who to lynch after me. Who do we lynch after you?
Your Filter
I was townie on you D1. But if I'm LOOKING for strange stuff, your reads/votes stuff come off a little janky.
You're suspicious of Prome. With reasons. With posts. Also somewhat suspicious of Foolishness, sometimes toying with suspicion on HF. You've got stuff like this:On January 23 2014 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't know man, the catchup posts seemed disingenuous, but I'm afraid I'm biased. Based on the posts I'm more willing to admit that I could be wrong about Prome, and yes the alternatives are looking better.
The thing about Prome is that there's no POP to his posts - when he's town, when he thinks he's found something suspicious something clicks and his confidence shoots up and you can see it in his posts. I didn't get that feeling when he was posting about you. But again, I'm not sure how much of it is my own bias speaking.
Foolishness/Sandroba/HolyFlare are three targets who are, in my opinion, well equipped to prove their worth D1 if they're town. That none of them has been able to do this is troubling to me.
that indicates you might be worried about Sandroba as well, but you never fully vocalize that for a long time.
You're start bugging prome about sandroba shortly before the lynch:On January 23 2014 07:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh man and he comes in in the eleventh hour too. Unreal.
Prome is sandroba scum for that meta thing? Is anyone scum to you? On January 23 2014 07:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
What ranks him higher than sandroba who is A) a lurker and B) trying to get you lynched? Is it just the fact that he's set to be lynched? You think prome is scummy, or are pushing that, yes yes yes. But you've barely said a word about sandroba yourself, AT ALL. You say he can prove his worth, but you never even add the other half of that at any point in the day", he has/hasn't proven his worth.
Even BEFORE the voteswap at 10 minutes, there were posts on sandroba. Foolishness's comments on Sandroba got poked at. Sand caught a couple vote/unvotes iirc. And i KNOW you can be asking prome those questions from a townie standpoint, but it feels awkward for you to be bringing up sand without ever speaking YOUR mind on sand, despite, from your earlier post, you probably having a clear scumread on him for not proving himself. I dunno. I don't like those sand posts even though I know they can be read from both sides.
I know this post doesn't go anywhere, but I think if you want to vote VE for inactivity/giving up, that's a policy matter. If you want to say he's mafia for his posts, you can do that too. But some people are overconnecting the activity/quitting to scumminess, imo, and they need to find some real justification in his filter for votes.
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On January 26 2014 04:39 gonzaw wrote:VE, this is simple for me: If you are town, well then fuck I guess, what are you going to do?But if you are scum, and we let you live....what will this tell us about valid scum strategies for future games? If you are scum and we let you live, you just successfully NOT played the game, and survived. You, and other scum in future games, will see this as a viable strategy. Scum in next games will just go "I'm under pressure what do I do!!!? Oh wait I'll just give up, appeal to their emotions and they'll let me live, easy as pie". Do you want to see this happening in future games? Do you want to see scum intentionally NOT playing the game, just because it would seem to be a viable strategy for them to survive and push their scum agenda? That's not how I envision mafia games. So, I don't want to let you pass VE. It goes beyond this game. Like I said, this is what made me make my switch to sandro last game. I also don't want to enforce the fact that scum can go AFK for 30 hours, come with a shitty case and coast through the game. I don't want mafia games to be like that, therefore actions like that should not go unpunished. Same happens to you VE. Actually, yes, the point that I want to make is that town should punish this kind of behaviour more and more in games. I've seen lots of games where stuff like this happens and the scum coasts through the game and wins (Risen in TLIII anyone?). But town gets second thoughts, or gets too scared to actually do something, and scum win (IMO) unfairly. Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a matter of priorities. My first priority is NOT to stay alive. That's scum's first priority. My first priority is to find scum. And I've been trying, but I get shit on every time I try. EVERY TIME. Can you not see how this is frustrating to me? The problem is that you aren't even attempting to find scum either. You randomly voted your highest townread because of false shitty WIFOM, then parked your vote on the dude with the highest votes. Tell me how that's "finding scum, my #1 priority"?
The bolded is the problem I have with your "analysis" of my play. I AM town, so what the fuck AM I gonna do? I'm gonna look for scum and not give a shit if I'm lynched. If I care that I'm getting lynched, I'm just gonna rage because the reasons I'm being lynched are so nebulous and ridiculous that of course I'm not going to be okay with it. So I'm not caring in an attempt to still be able to read the thread objectively. If I cared about being lynched, then I'd have to sit here and argue with you for however many hours trying to explain to you HOW I got to this point, and I'm just not fucking willing gonzaw. I'm instead trying to find scum. Just ignore me and vote for me - quit trying to convince me I'm scum because IT'S NOT TRUE AND IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
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austin's shadow question actually made me feel better about killing VE when I was wavering a little. Dunno if it should though :/
VE you keep talking about how the only thing to do is find mafia, but you keep repeating that like a mantra, and what you've actually done this passage is nothing of the sort, rather you've whimsically thrown your votes around based on incorrect NK wifom. If that's your one goal then... yeah. It just doesn't feel like that's your one goal tbh.
Wave I take your point that you aren't VE, I am aware of that :p but still.
I'll be back tomorrow
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On January 26 2014 04:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
But it doesn't matter. If I haven't been here to do anything, you have to assume that my suspicions are still there. I didn't park my vote on the dude with the highest votes, I voted for the person I think is most likely to be scum.
Can't really assume that, when Foo's play completely changed overnight and this D2, and lots of stuff has been said about him.
I voted for the person I think is most likely to be scum
So why did you vote Wave before? Before I mentioned Foo had 3 votes and the Hapa case came after the scum shot, HE was your "most likely to be scum" guy.
THAT doesn't make absolutely any sense at all, specially if I assume you had the same suspicions about Foolishness.
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On January 26 2014 04:38 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 04:35 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2014 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 26 2014 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 26 2014 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok a few thigns:
VE wtf was that vote on me? I don;t even understand your reasoning for it. Because I think you're town and no one else does? Is that it?
As far as marv;s argument, the problem is not only would you be comparing mafia to town mindset, you also have to remember that VE and I are two different people. My motivation has been ridiculously on this game not only because I'm not and want to win, but because of the game itself. Marv you remember me asking you pre-game if I should even play in this game? Part of my motivation this game is to show myself (and others) that I deserve to be in here. In any other game I highly doubt I would be spending such a great deal of the free time I barely have to post in massive bursts. VE may not be similarly motivated as town (or obviously as scum).
Now as for Foolishness, call me dumb but I'm starting to worry about how quickly it's being picked up. Especially by people like Toad. And even then if I'm right and Foolishness truly is mafia, is everybody going to be bamboozled by him again when he comes back with an hour to go and posts a flashy essay? It was that and the fact that Hapa suspected you and died - but gonzaw pointed out that he posted his suspicion AFTER the scum had made their shot, so it comes back to the "he's the only one who's right about me" which is NOT a strong enough point to lynch imo. It'd be pretty ballsy (if I'm right about you) as scum to be the only one. Hapa's suspicion is a stronger point if anything and I'll grant you that, but surprisingly nobody brought it up. And his case on me was vastly different than anyone else's I believe---I think it actually wasn't terrible. So, is Toad's voteswitch authentic or is he trying to jump off a losing train early and trying to gain some towncred on a bus? On January 24 2014 08:13 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2014 08:07 Promethelax wrote:
So hapa has
WoS
VE
Holy
Fool
as scummy. I was hoping he had a clear target before the resolution deadline that would have suggested that he was killed to push a single lynch.
In terms of history: marv or I are the most likely to kill Hapa as scum n1 I think. I actually disagree. Quick check through his filter, ignoring his last post because it was before deadline, will show up WoS a lot more than anyone else, especially if you compare it to VE who would be the one to show up more in Gonzaw's filter. So as I'm still going with the WoS and VE both look really bad, especially given that they both equally failed to do anything d1 deadline ( clicky! here to see why that's an issue I'd lean on WoS even more now. ##vote WoS you're welcome. Also wtf is that kind of a question. I'm getting cold feet here as I'm seeing you and VE on the same guy I want lynched and you have the balls to call Foolishness 100% mafia and say it's either a bus from me or a townie being right? Sure I think Foolishness is the best lynch but I wouldn't have the balls to call it that 100% certain oO Also when I voted foolish it was 2-2-2 in votes. I might be called the reason you're "wagon" is losing steam, again you're welcome Yeah I was watching you subtly try to take credit for that. Horseshit, good sir. If there's any reason I'm not getting lynched today it's through my own damn merit. This is another one of those cases Toad where I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't. If I'm not 100% confident people call me wishy washy, and now that I am you find it fishy. Fuck 'wishy-washy,' I'm never using it as a strict tell ever again.
okay here's the thing. I said I'm ignoring you for today because I got that people disagree with what I said about you and I'm rethinking the whole thing. You just implied that I was trying to get off a losing wagon which was obviously horseshit because it wasn't a losing wagon until I unvoted. Gonzaw specifically said something along the lines of "well looks like Foolish or VE day today" after I voted Foolishness if I recall correctly. I'm not taking credit for anything, I'm rubbing it under your nose because that comment of yours annoyed me.
So sorry for rubbing it under your nose but I can't stand it if you're flinging shit at me that's completly made up.
See, I'm taking my time to rethink you, I'm actually doing that because I know how badly tunneling can end up and especially you should know so as well. So could you please take a bit of that same medicine and just stop the flinging shit for no reason-part?
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On January 26 2014 04:46 austinmcc wrote:VE, I read back over your filter. I read back over Hapa's. Hapa StuffHapa may have wanted to kill WoS today, but he was on your nuts D1. A ton of his D1 is back and forth with you and suspicions on you. HE DID CHANGE HIS MIND. Come N1, he didn't post on you as much, but he appears to be less certain on you, trollpost but also indicates that he doesn't think it's an awful idea to lynch you or find you scummy - + Show Spoiler +On January 23 2014 09:18 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 09:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever just lynch me next, I'll help you guys decide who to lynch after me. Who do we lynch after you? . Hapa has good points on wave, but all of that is AFTER the deadline. So from what I can see, he's scummy on WoS and appears to have come back to scummy on you? He certainly doesn't spend ANY posts defending you during N1 when you were catching some flak for absence. Your FilterI was townie on you D1. But if I'm LOOKING for strange stuff, your reads/votes stuff come off a little janky. You're suspicious of Prome. With reasons. With posts. Also somewhat suspicious of Foolishness, sometimes toying with suspicion on HF. You've got stuff like this: Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't know man, the catchup posts seemed disingenuous, but I'm afraid I'm biased. Based on the posts I'm more willing to admit that I could be wrong about Prome, and yes the alternatives are looking better.
The thing about Prome is that there's no POP to his posts - when he's town, when he thinks he's found something suspicious something clicks and his confidence shoots up and you can see it in his posts. I didn't get that feeling when he was posting about you. But again, I'm not sure how much of it is my own bias speaking.
Foolishness/Sandroba/HolyFlare are three targets who are, in my opinion, well equipped to prove their worth D1 if they're town. That none of them has been able to do this is troubling to me. that indicates you might be worried about Sandroba as well, but you never fully vocalize that for a long time. You're start bugging prome about sandroba shortly before the lynch: Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 07:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh man and he comes in in the eleventh hour too. Unreal.
Prome is sandroba scum for that meta thing? Is anyone scum to you? Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 07:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
What ranks him higher than sandroba who is A) a lurker and B) trying to get you lynched? Is it just the fact that he's set to be lynched? You think prome is scummy, or are pushing that, yes yes yes. But you've barely said a word about sandroba yourself, AT ALL. You say he can prove his worth, but you never even add the other half of that at any point in the day", he has/hasn't proven his worth. Even BEFORE the voteswap at 10 minutes, there were posts on sandroba. Foolishness's comments on Sandroba got poked at. Sand caught a couple vote/unvotes iirc. And i KNOW you can be asking prome those questions from a townie standpoint, but it feels awkward for you to be bringing up sand without ever speaking YOUR mind on sand, despite, from your earlier post, you probably having a clear scumread on him for not proving himself. I dunno. I don't like those sand posts even though I know they can be read from both sides. I know this post doesn't go anywhere, but I think if you want to vote VE for inactivity/giving up, that's a policy matter. If you want to say he's mafia for his posts, you can do that too. But some people are overconnecting the activity/quitting to scumminess, imo, and they need to find some real justification in his filter for votes.
Does that mean you won't be voting for VE, austin?
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On January 26 2014 04:47 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 04:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 26 2014 04:35 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2014 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 26 2014 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 26 2014 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok a few thigns:
VE wtf was that vote on me? I don;t even understand your reasoning for it. Because I think you're town and no one else does? Is that it?
As far as marv;s argument, the problem is not only would you be comparing mafia to town mindset, you also have to remember that VE and I are two different people. My motivation has been ridiculously on this game not only because I'm not and want to win, but because of the game itself. Marv you remember me asking you pre-game if I should even play in this game? Part of my motivation this game is to show myself (and others) that I deserve to be in here. In any other game I highly doubt I would be spending such a great deal of the free time I barely have to post in massive bursts. VE may not be similarly motivated as town (or obviously as scum).
Now as for Foolishness, call me dumb but I'm starting to worry about how quickly it's being picked up. Especially by people like Toad. And even then if I'm right and Foolishness truly is mafia, is everybody going to be bamboozled by him again when he comes back with an hour to go and posts a flashy essay? It was that and the fact that Hapa suspected you and died - but gonzaw pointed out that he posted his suspicion AFTER the scum had made their shot, so it comes back to the "he's the only one who's right about me" which is NOT a strong enough point to lynch imo. It'd be pretty ballsy (if I'm right about you) as scum to be the only one. Hapa's suspicion is a stronger point if anything and I'll grant you that, but surprisingly nobody brought it up. And his case on me was vastly different than anyone else's I believe---I think it actually wasn't terrible. So, is Toad's voteswitch authentic or is he trying to jump off a losing train early and trying to gain some towncred on a bus? On January 24 2014 08:13 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2014 08:07 Promethelax wrote:
So hapa has
WoS
VE
Holy
Fool
as scummy. I was hoping he had a clear target before the resolution deadline that would have suggested that he was killed to push a single lynch.
In terms of history: marv or I are the most likely to kill Hapa as scum n1 I think. I actually disagree. Quick check through his filter, ignoring his last post because it was before deadline, will show up WoS a lot more than anyone else, especially if you compare it to VE who would be the one to show up more in Gonzaw's filter. So as I'm still going with the WoS and VE both look really bad, especially given that they both equally failed to do anything d1 deadline ( clicky! here to see why that's an issue I'd lean on WoS even more now. ##vote WoS you're welcome. Also wtf is that kind of a question. I'm getting cold feet here as I'm seeing you and VE on the same guy I want lynched and you have the balls to call Foolishness 100% mafia and say it's either a bus from me or a townie being right? Sure I think Foolishness is the best lynch but I wouldn't have the balls to call it that 100% certain oO Also when I voted foolish it was 2-2-2 in votes. I might be called the reason you're "wagon" is losing steam, again you're welcome Yeah I was watching you subtly try to take credit for that. Horseshit, good sir. If there's any reason I'm not getting lynched today it's through my own damn merit. This is another one of those cases Toad where I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't. If I'm not 100% confident people call me wishy washy, and now that I am you find it fishy. Fuck 'wishy-washy,' I'm never using it as a strict tell ever again. okay here's the thing. I said I'm ignoring you for today because I got that people disagree with what I said about you and I'm rethinking the whole thing. You just implied that I was trying to get off a losing wagon which was obviously horseshit because it wasn't a losing wagon until I unvoted. Gonzaw specifically said something along the lines of "well looks like Foolish or VE day today" after I voted Foolishness if I recall correctly. I'm not taking credit for anything, I'm rubbing it under your nose because that comment of yours annoyed me. So sorry for rubbing it under your nose but I can't stand it if you're flinging shit at me that's completly made up. See, I'm taking my time to rethink you, I'm actually doing that because I know how badly tunneling can end up and especially you should know so as well. So could you please take a bit of that same medicine and just stop the flinging shit for no reason-part?
It's not no reason, you're attempting to take credit for something I don't believe deserves it. I wasn't getting lynched once I showed up last night and started talking, despite where the votes were/are. I do appreciate you untunneling however, though I'm not really sure you had a choice given your case was pretty torn up. I'm sorry my comment annoys you but it's the way I am attempting to think about the game right now, especially because I am worried about Foolishness's inevitable return pre-lynch, which i will likely not be here for.
Toad let's just talk.
If Foolishness comes back and posts a whole bunch, do you think he is still likely to be lynched?
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austin, VE's play this D2 can still be constructed as scummy (it is), even if I want him lynched as policy.
There's also all the shit being said about him on N1, which has some value, i.e he was not a sparkling pro-town sunshine ray, he was actually scummy as fuck.
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On January 26 2014 04:52 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 04:47 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2014 04:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 26 2014 04:35 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2014 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 26 2014 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 26 2014 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok a few thigns:
VE wtf was that vote on me? I don;t even understand your reasoning for it. Because I think you're town and no one else does? Is that it?
As far as marv;s argument, the problem is not only would you be comparing mafia to town mindset, you also have to remember that VE and I are two different people. My motivation has been ridiculously on this game not only because I'm not and want to win, but because of the game itself. Marv you remember me asking you pre-game if I should even play in this game? Part of my motivation this game is to show myself (and others) that I deserve to be in here. In any other game I highly doubt I would be spending such a great deal of the free time I barely have to post in massive bursts. VE may not be similarly motivated as town (or obviously as scum).
Now as for Foolishness, call me dumb but I'm starting to worry about how quickly it's being picked up. Especially by people like Toad. And even then if I'm right and Foolishness truly is mafia, is everybody going to be bamboozled by him again when he comes back with an hour to go and posts a flashy essay? It was that and the fact that Hapa suspected you and died - but gonzaw pointed out that he posted his suspicion AFTER the scum had made their shot, so it comes back to the "he's the only one who's right about me" which is NOT a strong enough point to lynch imo. It'd be pretty ballsy (if I'm right about you) as scum to be the only one. Hapa's suspicion is a stronger point if anything and I'll grant you that, but surprisingly nobody brought it up. And his case on me was vastly different than anyone else's I believe---I think it actually wasn't terrible. So, is Toad's voteswitch authentic or is he trying to jump off a losing train early and trying to gain some towncred on a bus? On January 24 2014 08:13 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2014 08:07 Promethelax wrote:
So hapa has
WoS
VE
Holy
Fool
as scummy. I was hoping he had a clear target before the resolution deadline that would have suggested that he was killed to push a single lynch.
In terms of history: marv or I are the most likely to kill Hapa as scum n1 I think. I actually disagree. Quick check through his filter, ignoring his last post because it was before deadline, will show up WoS a lot more than anyone else, especially if you compare it to VE who would be the one to show up more in Gonzaw's filter. So as I'm still going with the WoS and VE both look really bad, especially given that they both equally failed to do anything d1 deadline ( clicky! here to see why that's an issue I'd lean on WoS even more now. ##vote WoS you're welcome. Also wtf is that kind of a question. I'm getting cold feet here as I'm seeing you and VE on the same guy I want lynched and you have the balls to call Foolishness 100% mafia and say it's either a bus from me or a townie being right? Sure I think Foolishness is the best lynch but I wouldn't have the balls to call it that 100% certain oO Also when I voted foolish it was 2-2-2 in votes. I might be called the reason you're "wagon" is losing steam, again you're welcome Yeah I was watching you subtly try to take credit for that. Horseshit, good sir. If there's any reason I'm not getting lynched today it's through my own damn merit. This is another one of those cases Toad where I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't. If I'm not 100% confident people call me wishy washy, and now that I am you find it fishy. Fuck 'wishy-washy,' I'm never using it as a strict tell ever again. okay here's the thing. I said I'm ignoring you for today because I got that people disagree with what I said about you and I'm rethinking the whole thing. You just implied that I was trying to get off a losing wagon which was obviously horseshit because it wasn't a losing wagon until I unvoted. Gonzaw specifically said something along the lines of "well looks like Foolish or VE day today" after I voted Foolishness if I recall correctly. I'm not taking credit for anything, I'm rubbing it under your nose because that comment of yours annoyed me. So sorry for rubbing it under your nose but I can't stand it if you're flinging shit at me that's completly made up. See, I'm taking my time to rethink you, I'm actually doing that because I know how badly tunneling can end up and especially you should know so as well. So could you please take a bit of that same medicine and just stop the flinging shit for no reason-part? It's not no reason, you're attempting to take credit for something I don't believe deserves it. I wasn't getting lynched once I showed up last night and started talking, despite where the votes were/are. I do appreciate you untunneling however, though I'm not really sure you had a choice given your case was pretty torn up. I'm sorry my comment annoys you but it's the way I am attempting to think about the game right now, especially because I am worried about Foolishness's inevitable return pre-lynch, which i will likely not be here for. Toad let's just talk. If Foolishness comes back and posts a whole bunch, do you think he is still likely to be lynched?
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Ugh I can't tell if I like the fact that I don't know who's going to be lynched while I'm gone or I don't.
Gonzaw on a scale from 1-10, how likely are shenannies today? And if so, is today's '3rd place' a likely target (like yesterday)?
I get that it might not be possible 9or even a good idea) to answer this but I dunno, give me something mabes.
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On January 26 2014 04:55 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 04:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 26 2014 04:47 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2014 04:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 26 2014 04:35 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2014 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 26 2014 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 26 2014 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok a few thigns:
VE wtf was that vote on me? I don;t even understand your reasoning for it. Because I think you're town and no one else does? Is that it?
As far as marv;s argument, the problem is not only would you be comparing mafia to town mindset, you also have to remember that VE and I are two different people. My motivation has been ridiculously on this game not only because I'm not and want to win, but because of the game itself. Marv you remember me asking you pre-game if I should even play in this game? Part of my motivation this game is to show myself (and others) that I deserve to be in here. In any other game I highly doubt I would be spending such a great deal of the free time I barely have to post in massive bursts. VE may not be similarly motivated as town (or obviously as scum).
Now as for Foolishness, call me dumb but I'm starting to worry about how quickly it's being picked up. Especially by people like Toad. And even then if I'm right and Foolishness truly is mafia, is everybody going to be bamboozled by him again when he comes back with an hour to go and posts a flashy essay? It was that and the fact that Hapa suspected you and died - but gonzaw pointed out that he posted his suspicion AFTER the scum had made their shot, so it comes back to the "he's the only one who's right about me" which is NOT a strong enough point to lynch imo. It'd be pretty ballsy (if I'm right about you) as scum to be the only one. Hapa's suspicion is a stronger point if anything and I'll grant you that, but surprisingly nobody brought it up. And his case on me was vastly different than anyone else's I believe---I think it actually wasn't terrible. So, is Toad's voteswitch authentic or is he trying to jump off a losing train early and trying to gain some towncred on a bus? On January 24 2014 08:13 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2014 08:07 Promethelax wrote:
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as scummy. I was hoping he had a clear target before the resolution deadline that would have suggested that he was killed to push a single lynch.
In terms of history: marv or I are the most likely to kill Hapa as scum n1 I think. I actually disagree. Quick check through his filter, ignoring his last post because it was before deadline, will show up WoS a lot more than anyone else, especially if you compare it to VE who would be the one to show up more in Gonzaw's filter. So as I'm still going with the WoS and VE both look really bad, especially given that they both equally failed to do anything d1 deadline ( clicky! here to see why that's an issue I'd lean on WoS even more now. ##vote WoS you're welcome. Also wtf is that kind of a question. I'm getting cold feet here as I'm seeing you and VE on the same guy I want lynched and you have the balls to call Foolishness 100% mafia and say it's either a bus from me or a townie being right? Sure I think Foolishness is the best lynch but I wouldn't have the balls to call it that 100% certain oO Also when I voted foolish it was 2-2-2 in votes. I might be called the reason you're "wagon" is losing steam, again you're welcome Yeah I was watching you subtly try to take credit for that. Horseshit, good sir. If there's any reason I'm not getting lynched today it's through my own damn merit. This is another one of those cases Toad where I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't. If I'm not 100% confident people call me wishy washy, and now that I am you find it fishy. Fuck 'wishy-washy,' I'm never using it as a strict tell ever again. okay here's the thing. I said I'm ignoring you for today because I got that people disagree with what I said about you and I'm rethinking the whole thing. You just implied that I was trying to get off a losing wagon which was obviously horseshit because it wasn't a losing wagon until I unvoted. Gonzaw specifically said something along the lines of "well looks like Foolish or VE day today" after I voted Foolishness if I recall correctly. I'm not taking credit for anything, I'm rubbing it under your nose because that comment of yours annoyed me. So sorry for rubbing it under your nose but I can't stand it if you're flinging shit at me that's completly made up. See, I'm taking my time to rethink you, I'm actually doing that because I know how badly tunneling can end up and especially you should know so as well. So could you please take a bit of that same medicine and just stop the flinging shit for no reason-part? It's not no reason, you're attempting to take credit for something I don't believe deserves it. I wasn't getting lynched once I showed up last night and started talking, despite where the votes were/are. I do appreciate you untunneling however, though I'm not really sure you had a choice given your case was pretty torn up. I'm sorry my comment annoys you but it's the way I am attempting to think about the game right now, especially because I am worried about Foolishness's inevitable return pre-lynch, which i will likely not be here for. Toad let's just talk. If Foolishness comes back and posts a whole bunch, do you think he is still likely to be lynched? yes
Why? He was pretty decent about not getting himself lynched yesterday, why wouldn't he be able to do it again?
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On January 26 2014 04:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ugh I can't tell if I like the fact that I don't know who's going to be lynched while I'm gone or I don't.
Gonzaw on a scale from 1-10, how likely are shenannies today? And if so, is today's '3rd place' a likely target (like yesterday)?
I get that it might not be possible 9or even a good idea) to answer this but I dunno, give me something mabes.
Can't really say. The shenannies are dependant on what people are doing at the deadline. Like last cycle, where shenannies happened only because of sandro's post 30 minutes before.
So if like, Foo or Toad or kita or VE do something incredibly stupid 30 minutes before deadline....maybe.
However, I think we are past the shenannies. Maybe we need a "calm" cycle with a normal lynch. If not it'll break the status quo to much man
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On January 26 2014 04:48 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 04:46 austinmcc wrote:VE, I read back over your filter. I read back over Hapa's. Hapa StuffHapa may have wanted to kill WoS today, but he was on your nuts D1. A ton of his D1 is back and forth with you and suspicions on you. HE DID CHANGE HIS MIND. Come N1, he didn't post on you as much, but he appears to be less certain on you, trollpost but also indicates that he doesn't think it's an awful idea to lynch you or find you scummy - + Show Spoiler +On January 23 2014 09:18 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 09:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever just lynch me next, I'll help you guys decide who to lynch after me. Who do we lynch after you? . Hapa has good points on wave, but all of that is AFTER the deadline. So from what I can see, he's scummy on WoS and appears to have come back to scummy on you? He certainly doesn't spend ANY posts defending you during N1 when you were catching some flak for absence. Your FilterI was townie on you D1. But if I'm LOOKING for strange stuff, your reads/votes stuff come off a little janky. You're suspicious of Prome. With reasons. With posts. Also somewhat suspicious of Foolishness, sometimes toying with suspicion on HF. You've got stuff like this: On January 23 2014 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't know man, the catchup posts seemed disingenuous, but I'm afraid I'm biased. Based on the posts I'm more willing to admit that I could be wrong about Prome, and yes the alternatives are looking better.
The thing about Prome is that there's no POP to his posts - when he's town, when he thinks he's found something suspicious something clicks and his confidence shoots up and you can see it in his posts. I didn't get that feeling when he was posting about you. But again, I'm not sure how much of it is my own bias speaking.
Foolishness/Sandroba/HolyFlare are three targets who are, in my opinion, well equipped to prove their worth D1 if they're town. That none of them has been able to do this is troubling to me. that indicates you might be worried about Sandroba as well, but you never fully vocalize that for a long time. You're start bugging prome about sandroba shortly before the lynch: On January 23 2014 07:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh man and he comes in in the eleventh hour too. Unreal.
Prome is sandroba scum for that meta thing? Is anyone scum to you? On January 23 2014 07:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
What ranks him higher than sandroba who is A) a lurker and B) trying to get you lynched? Is it just the fact that he's set to be lynched? You think prome is scummy, or are pushing that, yes yes yes. But you've barely said a word about sandroba yourself, AT ALL. You say he can prove his worth, but you never even add the other half of that at any point in the day", he has/hasn't proven his worth. Even BEFORE the voteswap at 10 minutes, there were posts on sandroba. Foolishness's comments on Sandroba got poked at. Sand caught a couple vote/unvotes iirc. And i KNOW you can be asking prome those questions from a townie standpoint, but it feels awkward for you to be bringing up sand without ever speaking YOUR mind on sand, despite, from your earlier post, you probably having a clear scumread on him for not proving himself. I dunno. I don't like those sand posts even though I know they can be read from both sides. I know this post doesn't go anywhere, but I think if you want to vote VE for inactivity/giving up, that's a policy matter. If you want to say he's mafia for his posts, you can do that too. But some people are overconnecting the activity/quitting to scumminess, imo, and they need to find some real justification in his filter for votes. Does that mean you won't be voting for VE, austin? Opposite. Right now I'm mind-voting him.
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Toad, why are you refusing to talk about VE?
He's the hotspot in the thread at the moment, yet you are the only one going on a tangent with WoS about Foo or whatever and not discussing him at all.
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