EPTI've played three games with Toad which I can remember. Two scum and one town.
Toad, scum, Chronotrigger
Toad, town, Yet Another...
Toad/marv hydra, scum, MTG I
Check one thing. The use of rhetorical questions which do not move forward the discussion. They are present in two of the above games and missing in the third. They are likewise missing in this game. Based on this meta read I find Toad town. Likewise I have only ever seen him post a Venn Diagram once, as town, and he is too self-conscious to do so as scum.
Meta conclusion: town.
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On January 24 2014 07:37 Toadesstern wrote:
and when I say that I mean he didn't post after 7:40 at all, which is 20 minutes prior to deadline.
I don't think he goes afk 20 minutes prior to deadline if he gets in here and posts at 7:40 so I assume he was there not posting.
The lack of posts in that timeframe is something I consider to be really odd and I do see a mafiareasoning behind it. Mafia doesn't want to pile on Sand when Sand was still at 0 or 1 posts at all, why should they. At the same time they don't want to later on either and at the same time mafia certainly doesn't want to defend him either. Sounds like a nice way to get out of that dilemma, just that like I said he happened to have posted just a sec before it happened...
Actually now that I think about it, I'd actually put VE even more on the scummy side
and when I say that I mean he didn't post after 7:40 at all, which is 20 minutes prior to deadline.
I don't think he goes afk 20 minutes prior to deadline if he gets in here and posts at 7:40 so I assume he was there not posting.
The lack of posts in that timeframe is something I consider to be really odd and I do see a mafiareasoning behind it. Mafia doesn't want to pile on Sand when Sand was still at 0 or 1 posts at all, why should they. At the same time they don't want to later on either and at the same time mafia certainly doesn't want to defend him either. Sounds like a nice way to get out of that dilemma, just that like I said he happened to have posted just a sec before it happened...
Actually now that I think about it, I'd actually put VE even more on the scummy side
This post is great (though wrong) I like the way Toad's read evolves as the post goes on. It is indicative of a townie mindset and I rather like the thought in it. Again, wrong, but who cares. I was wrong too.
In Toad's post after the Hapa shot he has reread Hapa's filter looking for names and decided that WoS crops up more than others, he isn't wrong. I'm torn on whether this is a townie post or a scummy one but since I spent 7 minutes looking at Hapa's filter after his shot and Toad replied about 7 minutes after my post I'd say he had enough time to check through Hapa's filter. I think I lean townie with this one, though I wouldn't argue with it being seen the other way. + Show Spoiler +
On January 24 2014 08:13 Toadesstern wrote:
I actually disagree. Quick check through his filter, ignoring his last post because it was before deadline, will show up WoS a lot more than anyone else, especially if you compare it to VE who would be the one to show up more in Gonzaw's filter.
So as I'm still going with the WoS and VE both look really bad, especially given that they both equally failed to do anything d1 deadline (clicky! here to see why that's an issue I'd lean on WoS even more now.
##vote WoS
I actually disagree. Quick check through his filter, ignoring his last post because it was before deadline, will show up WoS a lot more than anyone else, especially if you compare it to VE who would be the one to show up more in Gonzaw's filter.
So as I'm still going with the WoS and VE both look really bad, especially given that they both equally failed to do anything d1 deadline (clicky! here to see why that's an issue I'd lean on WoS even more now.
##vote WoS
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On January 24 2014 08:55 Toadesstern wrote:
the first is adressed above. The second, yeah both seems incredibly unlikely and I'm betting on 2 mafias being within WoS/VE/Kita but if that's not the case, yeah I'd actually rather start looking into one of those 4, starting with prom, marv and austin before considering foolish.
the first is adressed above. The second, yeah both seems incredibly unlikely and I'm betting on 2 mafias being within WoS/VE/Kita but if that's not the case, yeah I'd actually rather start looking into one of those 4, starting with prom, marv and austin before considering foolish.
This post is pretty bad, but I think it is a townie bad. If you were scum would you really say "I see the guys who lynched scum as more likely scum than the guy who didn't" If foolish is town Toad has to be town since he would gain nothing by saying this as scum but could genuinely believe it as town.
If foolish is scum Toad could be scum hard defending the only remaining member of his team. Day one scum lynches have an odd effect on the two remaining scum.
I still think Toad is more likely to be town from this exchange even if Fool is scum because if Toad were scum hard defending his buddy he would need to use a pile of logic and reasons. The series of posts which culminates here is so off-hand that I find it unlikely to come from a scum player. I hadn't realized the absurdity of Toad's play if he was scum here until filtering him but looking at these posts all together I find it very unlikely that Toad is scum.
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On January 25 2014 04:24 Toadesstern wrote:
No idea, I haven't read a single post from Holyflare so no idea if his accusations on my predecessor as you coined it so nicely make sense, btw also something WoS mentioned about me how I kept the reads from Holy... I didn't even know that lol
I did ignore it in general as I was seeing the same thing from foolishness about Sandro and it was so extreme that I just thought it has to be an exaggeration until austin pointed out that is indeed weird. He has been on Sandro for a while, called him mafia and suddendly started calling the lynch bad and wasn't willing to vote him. Haven't put too much thought into it. I had to catch up, I had to reread a bunch and as stupid as this situation may be I just can't catch up, reread and at the same time put the same amount of time into reading yet other filters as you guys are doing right now. I have to make this work somehow and I start out with what's #1 on my priority list. Just saying because you still don't seem to understand the situation I'm in. Yes a bunch of stuff I'm going to say will be less in detail than stuff you do and I don't have the time to do proper research like you guys. That's to be expected and there's nothing I can do about that. Yes I'm slightly angry about the fact that you've basicly called me out about not reading carefully enough...
Yeah I'm explaining it from the Sandro <-> Foolish perspective but it seems to be the same thing you're getting at? Because like I said I haven't read Holy's posts.
No idea, I haven't read a single post from Holyflare so no idea if his accusations on my predecessor as you coined it so nicely make sense, btw also something WoS mentioned about me how I kept the reads from Holy... I didn't even know that lol
I did ignore it in general as I was seeing the same thing from foolishness about Sandro and it was so extreme that I just thought it has to be an exaggeration until austin pointed out that is indeed weird. He has been on Sandro for a while, called him mafia and suddendly started calling the lynch bad and wasn't willing to vote him. Haven't put too much thought into it. I had to catch up, I had to reread a bunch and as stupid as this situation may be I just can't catch up, reread and at the same time put the same amount of time into reading yet other filters as you guys are doing right now. I have to make this work somehow and I start out with what's #1 on my priority list. Just saying because you still don't seem to understand the situation I'm in. Yes a bunch of stuff I'm going to say will be less in detail than stuff you do and I don't have the time to do proper research like you guys. That's to be expected and there's nothing I can do about that. Yes I'm slightly angry about the fact that you've basicly called me out about not reading carefully enough...
Yeah I'm explaining it from the Sandro <-> Foolish perspective but it seems to be the same thing you're getting at? Because like I said I haven't read Holy's posts.
I know marv had issues with this post but c'mon. It is silly for a townie to not have read his predecessor. It is suicidal for a scummer to not have read his predecessor. A scum will have read teh scum qt and, therefore, some form of the thoughts of the man he is replacing and lying unnecessarily is chump play as scum. Toad is no chump. This post screams town. I'm actually more concerned that marv can't see it than I am about anything Toad has written.
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On January 26 2014 04:47 Toadesstern wrote:
okay here's the thing. I said I'm ignoring you for today because I got that people disagree with what I said about you and I'm rethinking the whole thing. You just implied that I was trying to get off a losing wagon which was obviously horseshit because it wasn't a losing wagon until I unvoted. Gonzaw specifically said something along the lines of "well looks like Foolish or VE day today" after I voted Foolishness if I recall correctly. I'm not taking credit for anything, I'm rubbing it under your nose because that comment of yours annoyed me.
So sorry for rubbing it under your nose but I can't stand it if you're flinging shit at me that's completly made up.
See, I'm taking my time to rethink you, I'm actually doing that because I know how badly tunneling can end up and especially you should know so as well. So could you please take a bit of that same medicine and just stop the flinging shit for no reason-part?
okay here's the thing. I said I'm ignoring you for today because I got that people disagree with what I said about you and I'm rethinking the whole thing. You just implied that I was trying to get off a losing wagon which was obviously horseshit because it wasn't a losing wagon until I unvoted. Gonzaw specifically said something along the lines of "well looks like Foolish or VE day today" after I voted Foolishness if I recall correctly. I'm not taking credit for anything, I'm rubbing it under your nose because that comment of yours annoyed me.
So sorry for rubbing it under your nose but I can't stand it if you're flinging shit at me that's completly made up.
See, I'm taking my time to rethink you, I'm actually doing that because I know how badly tunneling can end up and especially you should know so as well. So could you please take a bit of that same medicine and just stop the flinging shit for no reason-part?
Meta read: town. Marv, you know why, remember LIX? We need to talk.
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On January 26 2014 08:15 Toadesstern wrote:
can I answer this? Can I answer this? I got a pie-chart:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7sroMdW.png)
I gave in to being a dick...
can I answer this? Can I answer this? I got a pie-chart:
I gave in to being a dick...
This is a thing I've only seen from a town Toad. And it makes sense as a townie thing, it helps to organize your thoughts as to who is suspicious and why. And, as Toad says, he has faced some resistance to it in the past. It has not helped to push lynches and, is therefore unhelpful to a mafia Toad.
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On January 28 2014 04:54 Toadesstern wrote:
for crying out loud, you were CERTAIN that VE was a townie and now you came in and tell me you, that at that time you thought the VE was a good one?
for crying out loud, you were CERTAIN that VE was a townie and now you came in and tell me you, that at that time you thought the VE was a good one?
I disagree with this interpretation of WoS' posts. I can see where it is what toad would conclude but it isn't what I concluded. As I said in my WoS spoiler a few posts up I believe that WoS thought VE was town but was not confident because of the number of players whom he respects saying "VE=scum" and so WoS, in an attempt to save face if VE flipped scum, retracted his hard town read on VE and suggested that VE miiiiiiiiiiiight be scum after all. Doubt crept in.
All in all I see a town Toad. The meta and his individual posts indicate a town toad. I am NOT willing to lynch Toad.
Over-all conclusion: 2
