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Prome, can you please guide me in your WHOLE thought process, since the time sandro voted you to the time you voted him?
I don't really get it
On January 23 2014 07:28 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 06:51 gonzaw wrote:
Is there ANYBODY who believes Holy might be a good D1 lynch? Even if you don't believe he might be a good lynch (because of replacement stuff), did that last post of his convince you he's town? Did it have an impact on your read of him? If so why?
marvy, you said you would be thinking about Holy after you come back.....so? You are just focusing on Foo now. Yes I think holy is a good lynch. My good lynch list is: holy, fool, Kita, sand, Austin. Unfortunately none of them are making me jump out of my skin and scream: scum! They are all scummy to the point of being willing to lynch them.
Right off the bat, after he votes you, you put him in your "to lynch" list, and call him scummy. You don't address his vote, but well maybe you hadn't noticed it by this point.
On January 23 2014 07:35 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 07:26 marvellosity wrote:
So Fool and sand are both on Prome
i don't like that lynch very much.
In the part of Prome's filter where he attacked Fool and then voted kita which didn't make very much sense to me given he was apparently suspicious of Fool earlier, but now he's back voting Fool which makes more sense. Kinda confusing actually It's because I'm kinda confused. It is what sand is pulling out in my filter. In pyp I had to do something to move town in the right direction (and had 140 pages of thread to work with) and things popped out to me. I had sheep to lead and scum to find. Here no one has made me really hard for their lynch. Although sand bringing in meta from my strongest ever town game is a little funny, I wish I was that good all the time.
This is were I'm not really getting it. You acknowledge sandro's vote and case, but you say nothing of sandro. You apparently imply his case is bad and you are confused by it and how sandro applied it (i.e using your strongest town game as a meta argument against you). That doesn't make you any suspicious of sandro?
In that specific post, why acknowledge his case, but not acknowledge sandro? I.e you ignore him?
On January 23 2014 07:38 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 07:32 Hapahauli wrote:On January 23 2014 07:30 Promethelax wrote:On January 23 2014 07:04 austinmcc wrote:
How do we know sandro is replacing out? Did i miss something? Gah! This fucking post. Austin is so disconnected from this game. I know it consolidation time so I don't want to start a new thing on Austin but fuck do I want to lynch him based on this post. How is this comment at all alignment indicative? Missing something in the thread is far from a scumtell. Because I misread it. I thought he was misunderstanding the holy sub out. But he was commenting on an offhand post about sand being force replaced. Is sand scum for his vote on me: sadly not, sand can be this bad as town. He is worth lynching as a total lurker who has done nothing but not for his vote on me. A town sand is perfectly capable of being bad.
The instant sandro made that vote I instantly found it scummy as fuck. I don't really get how you can INSTANTLY say it comes from town sandroba, when you are the recipient of that case!
Sandro's case was "bad", even according to you, right? He's a lurker that hadn't posted in 30 hours, comes 30 minutes before deadline with a random case against you.
From your own POV, you don't find this fishy at all? Really? Specially with sandro doing nothing later? If there is any time in the history of mafia games where an OMGUS is justified, it would be here
How on earth can you instantly disregard sandro and call him "bad town"? You didn't even try to think and figure him out? You just straight up ignore him and give him a random town read?
Then you say he is "worth lynching as a total lurker who has done nothing". I don't get it. You want him lynched and find him scummy at first, then he makes the scummiest move on the game. You somehow instantly say he's bad town, and STILL want him lynched, but not for being scummy as fuck, but for being a lurker? Please guide me through this Prome it makes no sense.
On January 23 2014 07:40 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 07:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh man and he comes in in the eleventh hour too. Unreal.
Prome is sandroba scum for that meta thing? Is anyone scum to you? No one is above a four. Sand is more 3.5 along with kita/holy. Fool is a four.
Sandro is "bad town", yet is 3.5, You say this of Foo + Show Spoiler +I simply cannot connect the idea of foolishness being a good town player and him being town while saying things so blatantly false about so many players in this game.
There is only 0.5 between "town" and "obvious scum"? Or what?
Again, post your thought process at the time please
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My 5 point scale puts 3 as null sand was on the scum side of null.
I didn't find it totally impossible that town sand would come out with an ass backwards awful case on me. Syllo did the same thing in chronotrigger and the two of them are one person in my mind. He was never town in my head but he was scummy for lurking not for anything in particular.
I don't think you know how to read though buddy. When I said that sandro was capable of bad play as town I meant he was capable of bad play as town not that he was, in this case, bad town. He deserved a lynch for being a lurker not for posting a bad case.
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Anyways, nobody listened to me so I'll do it myself:
kita makes that "joke-serious" post on sandro here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=12#223
That alone doesn't really tell me much about kita though. Later, he keeps doing the "sandro is a good lynch vote him!" stuff, which could be odd if his sandro's buddy. But then he drops it so it's not really alignment indicative.
Hmm, although it puts him in a more townie light. For example with this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=14#268
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=14#270
Kita's vote on sandro do seem to have a purpose, which is consistent with his posts up there. It is a discussion starter, it does pressure the lurker, etc. I don't find it likely scum kita would start his "game" at the coast of sandro like that. Not strong evidence, but my gut says it makes sense as town kita.
Also, in a wifomy way, I think this makes Hapa very likely town (more than he is now):
On January 21 2014 09:39 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 09:31 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 09:29 sandroba wrote:
I'm trying to figure that out too. My plan as of now is to wait for some scummer to give themselves away in their first post. Not much of a plan if you're going to warn people about what you're looking for. ##Vote Sandroba(Did you catch me?) Normally, even early-game troll votes have some pretense to find someone suspicious/mafia (even if stretched alot). This post doesn't follow. It doesn't call Sandroba scum in any joking/trolling way. You're just calling his actions dumb, then voting for them. Which is a pretty scummy thought process. How are you constructing Sandroba's post to be scummy as opposed to just stupid?
If you are scum, and your scumbuddy makes an "awful" first post someone votes him for....do you really chainsaw defend him in such an OBVIOUS manner?
Hapa keeps up with this too, going against kita. It feels genuine.
Also this:
On January 21 2014 11:18 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 10:51 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 21 2014 10:46 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp, gonna go with my usual opener.
I think the only difference here is for the first time I'm actually relieved to roll town. I'd be pretty terrified to go up against this town as scum. I was kinda hoping to role mafia with the all vanilla setup. They probably have the advantage regardless of who is playing. Wanna vote sandroba with me? He may or may not be scummy. lol I'm really hoping you're not scum kita. Nah no reason to vote sandroba yet. Not only is there basically nothing to vote him for, I've seen what he's capable of as the game progresses (from PYP) and if he is town and plays this game anything like that, he'll start slow and then start bringing the pain to scum. I don't understand your reasoning here. What does him being a "slow-starter" have to do with not wanting to vote for him? For example, wouldn't it be arguably good to put pressure on him early to determine his alignment?
He even plays devil's advocate when someone defends sandro. He didn't hesitate to do this kind of stuff.
I just don't see him doing this being scumbuddies with sandro at all. Of course, there's the rest of his play, but this I think basically convinces me to never lynch Hapa in this game.
So, this is our foundation so far
gonzaw
austin
Hapa
These 3 are untouchables, remove them from any scumlist, or any "possible" scum list (at least until one of them does something utterly stupid or something).
marvy marv is not untouchable yet. But to touch him, you have to do it softly and gently.
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On January 24 2014 01:36 Promethelax wrote:
My 5 point scale puts 3 as null sand was on the scum side of null.
I didn't find it totally impossible that town sand would come out with an ass backwards awful case on me. Syllo did the same thing in chronotrigger and the two of them are one person in my mind. He was never town in my head but he was scummy for lurking not for anything in particular.
I don't think you know how to read though buddy. When I said that sandro was capable of bad play as town I meant he was capable of bad play as town not that he was, in this case, bad town. He deserved a lynch for being a lurker not for posting a bad case.
Is sand scum for his vote on me: sadly not, sand can be this bad as town
You just called him town there. Not scum = town.
Or are you going with that weird "if he is scum, then the reason for him being scum is not his vote on me" reasoning there?
If it's the latter it was worded badly
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On January 24 2014 01:51 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 01:36 Promethelax wrote:
My 5 point scale puts 3 as null sand was on the scum side of null.
I didn't find it totally impossible that town sand would come out with an ass backwards awful case on me. Syllo did the same thing in chronotrigger and the two of them are one person in my mind. He was never town in my head but he was scummy for lurking not for anything in particular.
I don't think you know how to read though buddy. When I said that sandro was capable of bad play as town I meant he was capable of bad play as town not that he was, in this case, bad town. He deserved a lynch for being a lurker not for posting a bad case. You just called him town there. Not scum = town. Or are you going with that weird "if he is scum, then the reason for him being scum is not his vote on me" reasoning there? If it's the latter it was worded badly
On January 24 2014 01:36 Promethelax wrote:
My 5 point scale puts 3 as null sand was on the scum side of null.
I didn't find it totally impossible that town sand would come out with an ass backwards awful case on me. Syllo did the same thing in chronotrigger and the two of them are one person in my mind. He was never town in my head but he was scummy for lurking not for anything in particular.
I don't think you know how to read though buddy. When I said that sandro was capable of bad play as town I meant he was capable of bad play as town not that he was, in this case, bad town. He deserved a lynch for being a lurker not for posting a bad case.
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So marv, you have no problems with Prome's actions regarding sandro at the deadline then?
It still seems a little bit strange. I'd have OMGUSed the shit out of sandro.
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On January 24 2014 01:54 gonzaw wrote:
So marv, you have no problems with Prome's actions regarding sandro at the deadline then?
It still seems a little bit strange. I'd have OMGUSed the shit out of sandro.
Why would mafia-Prome be less likely to than town-Prome??
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On January 22 2014 02:27 sandroba wrote:
Most of his interactions seem a bit fake and force to me. It looks like he is doing stuff because he is supposed to be doing that stuff as town, but it doesn't look natural. I.E. that first post, than the whole hapa interaction, seems like he was fishing for it for no real reason other than to look ok. The comment about you knowing him so well after you said he looks like he is bullshitting isn't sitting so well either.
This is literally the only commentary of suspicion on anyone in the early game for sandroba. And he carries it through to later. As far as I'm aware, sand isn't particularly known for just bussing his team-mates for no reason right out the gate.
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On January 24 2014 01:56 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 01:54 gonzaw wrote:
So marv, you have no problems with Prome's actions regarding sandro at the deadline then?
It still seems a little bit strange. I'd have OMGUSed the shit out of sandro. Why would mafia-Prome be less likely to than town-Prome??
Well, in my conspiracy theory, the Prome vs sandro thing was premeditated, where sandro "weakly" pushes Prome for the credz, while Prome disregards sandro (to not get sandro lynched). OMGUSing sandro would put the attention on 2 scum, and maybe put the lynch on either of those 2 unnecessarily, while by having Prome being weird regarding sandro, Foo would still get all the attention.
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But that's complete speculation of course. My main point is "If he was town I think he'd do this. But he didn't".
Maybe he's SK!!!? :O
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Well, I did blaze 1kg of meth one hour ago, but I doubt that's relevant
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So what happens, right, is that it's kita/prome/sand
sand knows that he's the liability so he's planning on getting lynched day 1 and making his team-mates look good for it. So kita votes him early so he has that nice early vote and makes sarcastic comments about how sandroba usually just afks. but kita can't vote for sand in the end because kita needs credz for later when Prome maybe flips, so kita votes for Prome so that kita and Prome are well distanced. Now Prome doesn't omgus sand because he's playing the "sand can be bad as town card" for cheesecake credit, but in the end joins in the shenannies at the last minute to look good, after sand comes in with a case on Prome so that sand is making a case on Prome who ends up voting for both kita and sand through the day and kita votes for both of them too but has his vote on Prome at the end so there's this massive big circle where none of them can be mafia but they are actually mafia because that's clearly what's going on.
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Either way, I find both Prome and kita kind of townie. I think I'd have to say kita is slightly more townie to me than Prome now, after skimming his filter again and the above stuff. It's just gut though.
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I'm very much the other way around.
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On January 24 2014 02:06 marvellosity wrote:
So what happens, right, is that it's kita/prome/sand
sand knows that he's the liability so he's planning on getting lynched day 1 and making his team-mates look good for it. So kita votes him early so he has that nice early vote and makes sarcastic comments about how sandroba usually just afks. but kita can't vote for sand in the end because kita needs credz for later when Prome maybe flips, so kita votes for Prome so that kita and Prome are well distanced. Now Prome doesn't omgus sand because he's playing the "sand can be bad as town card" for cheesecake credit, but in the end joins in the shenannies at the last minute to look good, after sand comes in with a case on Prome so that sand is making a case on Prome who ends up voting for both kita and sand through the day and kita votes for both of them too but has his vote on Prome at the end so there's this massive big circle where none of them can be mafia but they are actually mafia because that's clearly what's going on.
You forgot the part where Foolishness is a traitor and this is bastard game.
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On January 24 2014 02:09 marvellosity wrote:
I'm very much the other way around.
Hmm, actually I dunno. I don't want to think about it, makes my head hurt
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Let's just agree to lynch VE, hmmmmmmmmmmmmkay?
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On January 24 2014 02:11 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 02:06 marvellosity wrote:
So what happens, right, is that it's kita/prome/sand
sand knows that he's the liability so he's planning on getting lynched day 1 and making his team-mates look good for it. So kita votes him early so he has that nice early vote and makes sarcastic comments about how sandroba usually just afks. but kita can't vote for sand in the end because kita needs credz for later when Prome maybe flips, so kita votes for Prome so that kita and Prome are well distanced. Now Prome doesn't omgus sand because he's playing the "sand can be bad as town card" for cheesecake credit, but in the end joins in the shenannies at the last minute to look good, after sand comes in with a case on Prome so that sand is making a case on Prome who ends up voting for both kita and sand through the day and kita votes for both of them too but has his vote on Prome at the end so there's this massive big circle where none of them can be mafia but they are actually mafia because that's clearly what's going on. You forgot the part where Foolishness is a traitor and this is bastard game.
Now you're being silly.
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On January 23 2014 11:15 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 10:51 kitaman27 wrote:
Doubt I'll be rereading tonight. Ask me tomorrow. Tomorrow?
So, Sunderland won against Man United. Peñarol lost. Nacional won. We lynched scum on D1. I ate some fabulous pizza tonight. Life's good, man, life's good.
Can't help but think that gonzaw is commenting about this last meal XD
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