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kitaman27
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Promethelax
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 10:49 VisceraEyes wrote: I thought Kita was trolling, but I did ask this to myself too. LOL This post stuck out to me early on and I didn't know why. Looking back it just doesn't jive with town VE. And the thing that doesn't jive is "LOL" He is trying too hard to joke and be buddies with Austin, I don't like what he is doing in terms of buddying or in terms of interacting with kita and Sand, all of it feels too forced and his LOL doesn't add anything to his game besides letting us all know how relaxed he is. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote: If we're talking meta, pressure won't mean anything to sandroba. He'll either play or he won't, and if he's town he'll probably find some scum. People like kita voting for him as a joke will probably not pressure him as much as you seem to think. Again people have already commented on VE's early defense of Sandroba but it is worth bringing up again now that Sand has flipped. This preemptive defense of Sand's play seems a little too aware; while Sand could do this as both alignments if I were scum with him this game I'd be worried that he would play his usual shitty scum meta (as he ended up doing) and would be hyper aware of people talking about it. I know this has been discussed by better meta readers than myself but when VE goes caps crazy he is usually scum trying too hard to match his townie silliness: + Show Spoiler [VE's caps] + On January 21 2014 11:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay okay okay. So let me get this straight. EVERYONE is suspicious..because we started the game...without you? ##Unvote ##Vote Promethelax OMGUSM (OMGUS MORE) On January 21 2014 11:50 VisceraEyes wrote: COUNTERQUESTION PROMETHELAX! WHY HAPAHAULI AND NOT VE, WHO POSTED THE FUCKING POST IN QUESTION?!?!?!?!? + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 12:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Nothing VE has said has been relevant so far. There are no objectives in his gameplay beyond cracking "witty" 1-lined responses. VE's gameplay so far gives me the impression that he's more interested in irrelevant small-talk than finding a read, pursuing an objective, or even promoting discussion. Hell, Isn't it strange for someone with 10 posts this early not to have said a single damn relevant thing? I'll say something when there's something worth saying. Anything objectively scummy in my play? Bring it up Hapa. This is subjective, and it's VE we're talking about. Note how VE says here that he hasn't said anything because there isn't anything worth saying. Yet just afterwards he is voting for me because of something that happened before there was nothing worth commenting on. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 13:01 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm voting for Prome because he immediately asked you a question about me that applied to Wave equally, and then made up some nonsense reasoning as to why it applied to me but not Wave. That's not odd to you? That is a scum justification for a vote, not a townie attempt to find scum. The two are distinct in many ways and the reason VE is voting me is that I had done something which he tries to ask Hapa "does it seem odd to you?" something which 'seems odd' is not 'is scummy' + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 13:16 VisceraEyes wrote: I think if he's town he's biased and it's bullshit to be so biased already, but whatever. It makes him more likely to be scum to me, but no, I'm reading him as town presently. So this post happened. VE thinks I am biased and that makes me more likely to be scum. And yet, for no reason, I am town to him. Hapa said he thought this was indicative of a townie who was bothered at being accused for something that didn't make him scum but I see it as just as likely to come from a scum mad at a townie calling him scum for a reason that he feels could be equally applied to a town player. The above having been stated I don't think WoS and VE can be scum together because if I was right to call VE scum for something that WoS did too and both were scum it would be a valid read on both of them. If VE flips scum I'd say WoS is not scum. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 13:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Here's my problem with Promethelax in full. Some stuff had happened up to the point Prom had made his entrance post. It had NO content whatsoever, BUT I'LL LET THAT SLIDE. When confronted about this fact, rather than say he had nothing to say, NO suspicions, he said he was suspicious of EVERYONE. Why? We can't all be scum right? He's obviously NOT suspicious of everyone regardless of his alignment. My problem was with his tone of defensiveness. It's not "I'm not suspicious of anyone because nothing has happened yet" it's "I'm suspicious of EVERYONE so you can't say I'm not contributing!" THAT was the reasoning for my vote. Then he goes on to ask you Hapa about one of my posts. Some bullshit about it being fluffy, I don't really know what his problem with it ultimately was...but the thing is that WoS had posted something extremely similar in the post EXACTLY above mine. So why am I scum rather than WoS? You asked a question, and we both answered. But look at the language Wave uses versus mine...I've bolded what I think is an apologetic tone, like he feels bad even for entering discussion. And goes on to ask a completely irrelevant question of Hapa...I mean, I'm not sure exactly "fluffy" means as it pertains to finding scum, but Wave's post seems to fit the bill more than mine does in this particular instance as far as I can see. But this was Prome's response to the "why" of it: so remember how I was town after all this stuff happened? Do you? VE doesn't. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 14:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Let me know if any of this is unreasonable and I'll just stop - but I'm perturbed that I'm AGAIN the first SERIOUS scum candidate in a veteran game and I'm sick of this shit. VE was so not mad in the champions game when he was called scum early on. He had fun and fucked around, had a claim that was silly didn't get lynched d1. It was a good time. VE is mad here in a way I don't expect from a town VE. See when I get called scum in the beginning of every game ever I don't get mad, I know I'm town and that I'll get through it. VE's early game, as we've seen above is full of inconsistencies and scummy flipping and flopping. VE doesn't know who he wants to lynch or why. Now, in the end of day one while we were lynching scum what did VE do? Nothing let's take a look shall we? The lynch deadline was 0800 TL time. On January 23 2014 06:48 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm willing to vote him - I'm just hesitant. And Foolish looks like he's trying to manipulate me and it hurts my soul.  The him in this post is me. I feel like Fool is town and VE is working to set up one of us as the mislynch following the first lynch. Look how we are both scum no matter what and both need to be voted, that way which ever one flips the other can still be the next day's target. On January 23 2014 07:41 VisceraEyes wrote: What ranks him higher than sandroba who is A) a lurker and B) trying to get you lynched? Is it just the fact that he's set to be lynched? VE is here, nineteen minutes before lynch to question me on voting Fool over Sand and yet he doesn't have an opinion. He doesn't care where this lynch goes between me and Fool. At this time Sand is being discussed but isn't likely to be killed. His total focus during this lynch is on me and Fool, he never mentions Sand as a possibility and is totally disinterested in Sand as a lynch candidate. On January 23 2014 07:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh man and he comes in in the eleventh hour too. Unreal. Prome is sandroba scum for that meta thing? Is anyone scum to you? And this shit too. I was pushing for a fool lynch during this time and clearly had him as scum but as I've shown all VE can do is focus on me. His read is all based on early play which he later discounted. This is not the evolving read of a townie looking for scum but the justification of a scummer looking for a mislynch. Conclusion: VE is scum and should be lynched. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Does someone here think VE is NOT scum? Raise your hands please. | ||
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gonzaw
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On January 24 2014 01:51 gonzaw wrote: You just called him town there. Not scum = town. Or are you going with that weird "if he is scum, then the reason for him being scum is not his vote on me" reasoning there? If it's the latter it was worded badly It is the latter. He is not scum for his case on me. Sorry if that wasn't clear, I thought it was. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On January 24 2014 02:43 gonzaw wrote: lol ninja'd gotcha! | ||
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marvellosity
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 24 2014 02:42 Promethelax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 13:16 VisceraEyes wrote: I think if he's town he's biased and it's bullshit to be so biased already, but whatever. It makes him more likely to be scum to me, but no, I'm reading him as town presently. So this post happened. VE thinks I am biased and that makes me more likely to be scum. And yet, for no reason, I am town to him. Hapa said he thought this was indicative of a townie who was bothered at being accused for something that didn't make him scum but I see it as just as likely to come from a scum mad at a townie calling him scum for a reason that he feels could be equally applied to a town player. I think he said that about Hapa, not you Prome | ||
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gonzaw
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On January 24 2014 02:55 gonzaw wrote: I think he said that about Hapa, not you Prome oh damn. Going back you are right. Not that the case as a whole is discounted. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On January 24 2014 02:56 gonzaw wrote: I think the most convincing argument you can do about scum VE is he hasn't done shit. The only thing worth remembering him for is that Prome read he had like 3 hours into D1. But he did fuck all with that one later as we all know. And his behaviour during the lynch. | ||
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marvellosity
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gonzaw
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
That being said, I still have 30 pages to go. I'll probably finish that sometime later tonight but I don't think it's going to be that soon. I'm trying to refrain myself from posting as much as possible until I finished reading, so if you want to ask me something go ahead and do so, I'll most likely answer within a given time (whatever that might be) but please don't expect me to be the one innitiating "contact" until I caught up. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
1) Prome read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=15#293 FoSes Prome and goes with it in "crazy VE" way http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=18#357 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=19#376 Clear attempts to back away from Prome. The overall gist of both posts is "Well, he could do this as town". That's backing out mentality. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=26#504 Inexplicably, he still has a scum read on Prome. He spent 12 posts posting irrelevant bullshit without mentioning Prome once, again considering he backed out of him. Makes no sense. 2) Not giving a single flying platypus fuck about the lynch This: On January 23 2014 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know man, the catchup posts seemed disingenuous, but I'm afraid I'm biased. Based on the posts I'm more willing to admit that I could be wrong about Prome, and yes the alternatives are looking better. The thing about Prome is that there's no POP to his posts - when he's town, when he thinks he's found something suspicious something clicks and his confidence shoots up and you can see it in his posts. I didn't get that feeling when he was posting about you. But again, I'm not sure how much of it is my own bias speaking. Foolishness/Sandroba/HolyFlare are three targets who are, in my opinion, well equipped to prove their worth D1 if they're town. That none of them has been able to do this is troubling to me. On January 23 2014 02:59 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: HolyFlare Come make me move it bro. On January 23 2014 03:13 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Foolishness You've got my sword gonzaw. On January 23 2014 03:15 gonzaw wrote: I don't just want your vote (and sword), I want your reasonings and shit. Your play is oddly underwhelming right now. On January 23 2014 03:16 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't help it. Circumstances are what they are. And you don't want my reason, it's bad. The bolded is his only reasoning for voting any of Foo, sandro or Holy (other than just finding something "off" about Foo before http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=26#520 ). Then he doesn't give a shit about his vote, and switches his vote from Holy to Foo without stating why he's voting them at all. The bolded explanation is not reason enough to think someone is worth a lynch, and if VE says it is, he's claiming scum. Also check those last 2 posts. He straight up won't say why he's voting Foolishness. Need I remind you Foolishness was his vote the entire day? His lynch vote is random, and he explicitly refused to justify it. 3)Not doing shit VE did not do shit. VE did not give a shit about what was happening in the thread either. For example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=31#620 Holy makes the infamous "I'm subbing out" speech. Immediately after that, VE straight up does that voting shit from before. Holy was one of those 3 he mentioned. Holy was his current vote. The guy he's voting subs out and VE doesn't give a shit about it. Apparently it's such a lesser event it's beneath the mighty VE. 4)This This: Foolishness/Sandroba/HolyFlare are three targets who are, in my opinion, well equipped to prove their worth D1 if they're town. That none of them has been able to do this is troubling to me. On January 23 2014 02:59 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: HolyFlare Come make me move it bro. On January 23 2014 03:13 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Foolishness Let's see if you notice what's missing. 5) Near-deadline behaviour Too lazy to do this. Read Prome's case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=51#1002 | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I just suggest you not look into associations. You're gonna be REAL sad bro. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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VisceraEyes
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 23 2014 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Well, I'M certainly not scum. On January 23 2014 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote: gonzaw you have nothing but feels and my absence to point at. Nothing I've done makes me scum, and I've been doing what I can when I can. You're not getting me lynched, and you're certainly not going to keep calling me scum for no reason. On January 23 2014 09:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Whatever just lynch me next, I'll help you guys decide who to lynch after me. On January 23 2014 09:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Whichever one looks the worse of Prom/Foolish is where I'm at now, I'm going to reread the thread when I wake up tomorrow. On January 23 2014 16:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I was making dinner. I was interested, I just was frying fucking porkchops and that's labor intensive. Like, I don't know what else to say. I even asked you why you preferred Foolish over sandroba, you can't say I wasn't interested in the lynch. I just had other shit going on. Lack of reaction to a D1 scum lynch? Check Spends time defending himself without justifications? Check "Quits" in an explosion of apathy? Check Unsatisfying excuse for being inactive at deadline? Check On January 24 2014 03:27 VisceraEyes wrote: gonzaw dude...you're wasting SERIOUS time on me bro. Everyone is WELL AWARE how you feel and what you think. MOST everyone seems to agree with you. Give it a rest man. EVEN IF I'm scum, there's one more besides me. I just suggest you not look into associations. You're gonna be REAL sad bro. I'll be dead tonight, so I just can't help to think that I really need to push this point across. As for that other scum besides you, I'll wait until Toad starts posting to get any significant conclusion about that. If Toad doesn't post before deadline, and I end up dead tonight, would you guys be nice little sweethearts and tell Toad "Fuck you Toad" for me? Thanks. | ||
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