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For reference, this was it:
On January 12 2014 07:36 Blazinghand wrote:
##vote Doctorhelvetica
quick thoughts
1) kush campaign was semi legit but mostly just for the talking. realistically speaking people love derping around and complaining about how nobody has anything to talk about. kush is an okay policy lynch but he's no oatsmaster. (heh)
2) I honestly belive DrH is our best mayor here. the fact that he thought about how to use the hammering power optimally and laid out a plan and defended it should be more than enough of a reason. even if he's scum (plausible, as DrH is pretty sharp; he could have done this to try to win it as scum) he's still written himself into a corner in terms of how he uses the hammering vote. this is subject to change but short of someone claiming mason I don't think it will
3) i omitted certain people from my mass pm, mostly people I was already talking to via pm, but also one or two people I didn't want to talk to. I did the mass pm because I wanted to see how people would react differently to it and gather data. one of the things i was checking for was how quickly people would figure out it was a mass pm (since scum would know instantly as they would be comparing pms in the scum qt). I was not anticipating people discussing the pm in the thread so quickly, so this derailed my plan. I'll figure out something else for finding scum.
4) if you pmed me and I haven't gotten back to you, I'm sorry, pm me again so it shows as unread. thanks!
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because i like to know that i'm right
do you not know my fucking ego?
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but if i was so sure i was right why go blatantly asking if you were blue instead of going with my analysis?
the logic is so screwy...
anyway it doesn't matter now
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On January 12 2014 10:58 WaveofShadow wrote:Well good to know my townread of BH was right as well---was about to post that this seems alarmingly similar to Les Mafia and was trying to go about stepping in to defend him.  marv I'm not sure I like that excuse. Is it ever a good idea to fish like that if it forces a reveal? I feel like your ego aside, you value proper play and if your fishing truly caused this, I don't think it was proper play at all.
how did my fishing cause BH's godawful play?
how does that even make sense?
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if I was mafia I'd just post the crumb in the fucking QT and go "how about this guys?"
not "hey BH, I'm scum and I found you, just letting you know"
how is anyone this stupid?
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On January 12 2014 11:02 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 11:01 marvellosity wrote:On January 12 2014 10:58 WaveofShadow wrote:Well good to know my townread of BH was right as well---was about to post that this seems alarmingly similar to Les Mafia and was trying to go about stepping in to defend him. marv I'm not sure I like that excuse. Is it ever a good idea to fish like that if it forces a reveal? I feel like your ego aside, you value proper play and if your fishing truly caused this, I don't think it was proper play at all. how did my fishing cause BH's godawful play? how does that even make sense? Well...indirectly I suppose, but given that this is a PM game it seems logical to assume that nothing you post in PMs is TRULY private, so I feel like you must have known it was likely for BH to out your fishing attempts to someone else.
stop being bad wave, it's annoying
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but it should be if you engage but an ounce of your considerable brainpower
i dare you
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I feel splendid. But not now, it's 2am and I need to go to bed, I just got distracted by ... whatever this is/was.
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Koshi gets more time for now.
Derrida is extremely scummy. Go check out his newbie scumgame and how he opened that bad boy.
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On January 12 2014 18:36 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 12 2014 18:22 Aquanim wrote:On January 12 2014 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do, do you have any reason for calling people out for making general statements and then following it up with statements like:
"And then there's the eight or so other lurkers."
and
"Of the active players I reckon at least most are town."
?? Well for starters I'd appreciate it if you say where I "called people out for making general statements". I remember calling JAT out for "having no commitments regarding any reads at all in his entire filter" which is not at all the same thing. Also, everybody makes some general statements, including me. I've also made some not-general statements. What exactly is your point? I also can't help but notice that you haven't really answered my question. Would you care to correct that? Interesting. I don't see a single clear read from you in thread. If there is some, could you point me out to one? All i see you say about other people is "they might be town or scum". And yes i answered your question. You asked me if i have a reason to think VE is town and i said i do. Do you have a reason to think VE is mafia? I think JAT is much more likely to be scum than town, for the reasons stated earlier - namely that he didn't seem to have any reads, even when I pushed him for it. I've seen the PMs Thrawn referenced here and I find JAT's reads there entirely unconvincing, just some lacklustre one-liners. Derrida moderately more likely to be scum than town, but that could change fast since his filter really doesn't have much to go on yet. And yes, I have a reason to think VE is mafia. There, see? Two of us can play that game.
As a FYI, bugs kinda laid into jat in Quiet game for "having no reads" while he was alive, both in-game and post-game.
Surprised you didn't notice this given you hosted it? Or take this into account at all into your read...?
##vote: marvellosity
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At the moment:
Derrida
suchdoge
suchdoge:
[12:25:36 AM] suchdogemlg420: Oh yeah ve
[12:25:53 AM] suchdogemlg420: Idk his first few posts seemed fine so prob not a worry
[12:26:03 AM] Andrew McDougall: explain?
[12:26:35 AM] suchdogemlg420: I remember reading a couple things that would be quite risky/dumb for scum to say early
[12:28:33 AM] Andrew McDougall: such as?
[12:58:00 AM] suchdogemlg420: I don't remember
[12:58:10 AM] suchdogemlg420: Wasn't that concerned with it
[12:58:52 AM] Andrew McDougall: not that helpful
that's the last messages we shared - very unsatisfying
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Shoot, Wave. My typing hands are ready.
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In all honesty town has a much higher chance of winning this game with me as mayor than as anyone else. That's a simple fact.
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Kinda wavering on my early town read of Xatalos too.
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On January 12 2014 21:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 21:41 marvellosity wrote:
In all honesty town has a much higher chance of winning this game with me as mayor than as anyone else. That's a simple fact. If you're town. And you knew that was coming so don't start with me. Your interactions during the BH debacle made me feel a little better (but as I've said to many people, I've never seen a scum marv so I don't really know what to expect in that regard), including what you and DrH believe to be irrefutable proof that you're town (informing BH of your 'bluefishing' attempts). What I don't like so much is how you started off the game. I know you tend to start slow and pick things up over time, but surely you knew directly from the start the people were likely to turn to you one way or the other as you're often seen as an extremely strong town leader, so why bother with the charade of 'if' you run for mayor? Apparently suchdoge knew it was an inevitability (this is not association, just an example). Maybe it's coincidence or egotism talking but your primary lynches for the day just so happen to be between what Rayn (and much of the thread) recently announced his to be, and what I announced mine to be a while ago. What other reads do you have? Who would you lynch if it couldn't be one of those two? This stuff for starters, then mabes we gets a nice conversation going.
The stuff with BH makes me practically confirmed town with anyone with a piece between their ears. I'm happy to repeat it because it's really kind of obvious.
I also never, never get this vague accusation that's often levelled against me of starting off the game slow. It's sooooo soooooo easy to start off the game "fast" as mafia. Because you don't have to find the truth, you can just say something that looks pretty. Surely you must understand this?
By the way, Derrida isn't "rayn's" lynch per se - he and I were basically talking about Derrida all yesterday before he even posted, and I said something like "Never has a player managed to look so bad without having posted yet - it's quite a feat!" - rayn will back me up on any of this.
Like I said I'm getting kinda interested in Xatalos. I had a townread on him early on because he PMed me really soon after the game started asking me why I wasn't running and generally being kinda aggressive towards me. Which would be kind of a risky thing for Xatalos to do I guess.
The problem is subsequently (unlike almost every other player who I shared PMs with at the start of the game) he has not made contact with me at all. DrH didn't like his big reads type post which I said I was fine with, except for one bit, and that's now increasingly bugging me:
On January 12 2014 01:35 Xatalos wrote:
suchdoge had a big opening post that said a lot of nothing. Then he proceeded to disappear into TeamSpeak or something. suchdoge, you can't use PM's anymore? If so, I really want you to post in the thread. You're impossible to read as of now. With that said, I doubt scum would just completely disappear from the thread like that.
suchdoge is supicious
suchdoge disappeared
ask question about PMs that suchdoge already clarified
want suchdoge to post
suchdoge impossible to read
but don't think mafia would play like this
It's the final qualifier that looks really bad here
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There's actually meta to support the last point about Xatalos, I'm gonna ask rayn to help me find it when he responds to me.
Basically Xatalos does this "but..." thing as mafia all the time
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What are you talking about?
There's literally no point in spending a bunch of sentences shovelling shit on to someone only to end it with "but i don't think mafia would do this after all"
it's a totally pointless post which basically just says stuff for the sake of saying stuff because of how the conclusion ends up.
On December 10 2013 07:36 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh wait I can just click profile here. 15. OK. Well, it's definitely possible that this is a "play" to get town credit. But then again, the more likely scenario is that you're town and trying to figure out the game. Your experience makes the former option more likely, but still less likely than the later option, I'd say.
Xatalos does this silly either.... or.... as mafia like this constantly.
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Or
On December 10 2013 07:57 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:16 Corazon wrote:On December 10 2013 07:13 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 07:06 Corazon wrote:On December 10 2013 07:01 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 06:53 Corazon wrote:
Lol can I go one game without being the first one voted.
Do you guys really think I'm more scummy at this point than Spag and Slam? I'm being open and honest with all of you. I'm not hiding anything. I've always tried to be genuine and not put up façades or wear masks. I'm telling you that I was going to be busy and I told you how I felt coming into this game. If you guys want to call me scum for that, go ahead. But just know that it is really silly to call me scum when Slam and Spag made one post and peaced out. Spag had to be coerced back into the thread and Slam still hasn't come back.
Plutarch wasn't trying to prod me for discussion; he was trying to twist my words and call me scum. Holyflare is just piggybacking off of everyone else's arguments to take town credit.
If you guys would look into the game, you would see that I am far from the scummiest player here. Also, it is good to know that you are all down for pressure voting so now I don't have to take your votes seriously until very close to the deadline. Sweet. Spagetticus and Alakaslam certainly didn't start in a townish way. But I have to ask which is worse: weak non-contribution (them) or passable non-contribution (you)? "passable non-contribution" doesn't exist. Your logic is flawed. My first post was contribution. You can call me out on it later if I contradict myself. You can't call Slam and Spag out on anything that they wrote in their first posts. Maybe the better choice of words would have been "a semi-contribution" - as in throwing a tiny contribution to the thread in hopes of people glancing over it and deeming it as a passable contribution. I think being the first real post with substance and allowing for discussion is a good contribution. If I wanted people to glance over it, I would not have been the first one to post it. I would wait until someone else was taking heat in order to make my entrance to the thread in such a way. Another point of bad logic. I wouldn't call your first post as "real substance". Even "tiny contribution" is a favorable word for that post... With that said, it's true that Mafia would probably prefer to wait a bit longer before making a post like that. You definitely brought attention on yourself with it (for good reason). You've been playing entirely reactionary after that first "contribution", though. Do you have anything new to add so far?
"you're suspicous"
"your post is bad"
"but i don't think mafia would post like that"
"random question"
do you see, WoS? do you see?
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That post ^ is literally the exact same format as the one on suchdoge I quoted.
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He's well known for doing it as mafia. He's much more straightforward and not either/or as town.
rayn will confirm this, he's played a tonne with him.
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