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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 13 2014 09:17 GMT
#1642
WaveofShadow can you please contact me on Skype? suchdogemlg420

My sent PMs do not refresh for at least a couple hours.
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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 13 2014 09:25 GMT
#1644
On January 13 2014 18:21 Aquanim wrote:
Hmph. Well, most of my reads this game have had the addenum (spoken or not) of "this person might be playing in PMs instead" which introduces uncertainty - hence why I haven't been as confident in my reads in this game as I've been in the past. Also, simply by reason of there being so many more people to look at in a large game compared to a mini my effort per player has necessarily been less.

And as to why I haven't posted in the thread for two hours - I didn't have anything which I felt needed to be said. It's night-phase, what do you expect?

Can you get on Skype? I want to chat.

Make a new account if you have to please.
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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 13 2014 09:42 GMT
#1649
On January 13 2014 18:39 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2014 18:25 suchdoge wrote:
On January 13 2014 18:21 Aquanim wrote:
Hmph. Well, most of my reads this game have had the addenum (spoken or not) of "this person might be playing in PMs instead" which introduces uncertainty - hence why I haven't been as confident in my reads in this game as I've been in the past. Also, simply by reason of there being so many more people to look at in a large game compared to a mini my effort per player has necessarily been less.

And as to why I haven't posted in the thread for two hours - I didn't have anything which I felt needed to be said. It's night-phase, what do you expect?

Can you get on Skype? I want to chat.

Make a new account if you have to please.

No, sorry. I could make a QT and send it to you though (not sure what the delays on you getting PMs are but I hope you get them eventually?).


Fine I guess. I'll get the PM immediately. I just cannot send PMs.
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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 13 2014 17:28 GMT
#1734
VE Skype please. I know you have one.

suchdogemlg420
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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 13 2014 17:30 GMT
#1738
On January 14 2014 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 02:28 suchdoge wrote:
VE Skype please. I know you have one.

suchdogemlg420

No thanks. You can PM me if you wish, and I might get on IRC later. I'm not feeling using Skype right now.


I can't PM you, I have a PM cap of 5.

Also, I already PMed you once with no reply.
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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 13 2014 17:34 GMT
#1741
Is chatzy on iphone?

If you want an alternate system then PM me details and I'll see what I can do. I'll post a response here in thread.
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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 13 2014 17:49 GMT
#1744
Hello Vayne I would rather not use on of my remaining 3 PMs so if you would like to talk please make a chatzy room (and PM me the link) or contact me via Skype:

suchdogemlg420

As for the players you mentioned, I think the first two are likely town (like 80%+) and the last one likely scum (also like 80%+)

I can explain more if you can get an alternate PM method.
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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 13 2014 20:26 GMT
#1817
On January 14 2014 05:21 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 05:07 Blazinghand wrote:
[12:15] <VisceraEyes> Blazinghand you are so cool
[12:16] <Blazinghand> Yes I am
[12:16] <ViscerEyes> How do I be cool like you. i've always wanted to be you. i respect you so much
[12:15] <Blazinghand> well, yamato77 is probably scum. let's see how he responds to my most recent post addressing him.

you're also bad if you actually think I'm mafia

another reason to kill you


while I agree with you that Blazinghand and Hopeless1der have proved themselves two of the worst players on the forum through this game and I would wholeheartedly agree with killing them both just so that they'd stop posting there are better players to go after.
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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 13 2014 20:29 GMT
#1822
On January 14 2014 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 05:26 suchdoge wrote:
On January 14 2014 05:21 yamato77 wrote:
On January 14 2014 05:07 Blazinghand wrote:
[12:15] <VisceraEyes> Blazinghand you are so cool
[12:16] <Blazinghand> Yes I am
[12:16] <ViscerEyes> How do I be cool like you. i've always wanted to be you. i respect you so much
[12:15] <Blazinghand> well, yamato77 is probably scum. let's see how he responds to my most recent post addressing him.

you're also bad if you actually think I'm mafia

another reason to kill you


while I agree with you that Blazinghand and Hopeless1der have proved themselves two of the worst players on the forum through this game and I would wholeheartedly agree with killing them both just so that they'd stop posting there are better players to go after.

Not necessarily. I have strong reasons to assume they are not masons at all, which makes them mafia.


you still in chatzy?

let's talk
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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 13 2014 20:46 GMT
#1831
you know, not once did someone who called me scum in PMs for any significant amount of time actually try to reach out and ask me anything in PMs.

I recall seeing both WoS and VE at some point mention me in PMs, yet neither bothered to respond to my PMs nor did they reach out to me.

You would think that townies who are trying to figure out the game would use PMs to their advantage by PMing people, either to discuss reads or clarify their thoughts on different players by interacting with them.

You would also think that VE and WoS would reach out to marv after he lynched a scum, but that didn't happen either. Can't really put the reason down as "they're bad" for that one, cause even brand new players will have the foresight to realise that someone who lynches scum day 1 is almost certainly not scum himself.
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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 13 2014 22:30 GMT
#1841
On January 14 2014 05:27 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 05:26 suchdoge wrote:
On January 14 2014 05:21 yamato77 wrote:
On January 14 2014 05:07 Blazinghand wrote:
[12:15] <VisceraEyes> Blazinghand you are so cool
[12:16] <Blazinghand> Yes I am
[12:16] <ViscerEyes> How do I be cool like you. i've always wanted to be you. i respect you so much
[12:15] <Blazinghand> well, yamato77 is probably scum. let's see how he responds to my most recent post addressing him.

you're also bad if you actually think I'm mafia

another reason to kill you


while I agree with you that Blazinghand and Hopeless1der have proved themselves two of the worst players on the forum through this game and I would wholeheartedly agree with killing them both just so that they'd stop posting there are better players to go after.

very dickmove (sorry DrH)


post your logs with BH please.

Or PM them to me, it doesn't matter. The faster you do this the better.
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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 13 2014 22:33 GMT
#1843
sure, you can do that too.
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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 13 2014 22:51 GMT
#1853
one thing I forgot to mention:

bum gave me this PM shortly after I sent him something (~7 hours or so)


hey sorry, i dont like being active early, kind of a crap shoot. I don't have a scum read on you, and I think people are way to gung ho about reads so early in the game. you could argue its a town-tell, but when everyone does it multiple times it loses the tell. ill try to give you my thoughts on xalatos
Original Message From suchdoge:
Care to talk with me a bit about the game? My Skype is:

suchdogemlg420

We can discuss such things as our scum reads and who we want as mayor. The day's half over, after all.
I look forward to hearing from you.


afterward I sent him another PM asking him if he could skype.

What's weird is that he said he'd "try" to give me thoughts on xatalos. I didn't ask about Xatalos specifically. He never gave his thoughts, either.

So one has to ask, why Xatalos specifically (so late in the day too) and why didn't he bother replying to me at all?

I might be reading too far into this and this all could very well just be a product of his immense inactivity. However the fact that he bothered to promise some reads on Xatalos and didn't come forth with anything, and also didn't further PMs is a little worrying.

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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 13 2014 22:55 GMT
#1864
On January 13 2014 06:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Just got home from my buddies but have a 3-5 hour shit at work at 4:30 (20 minutes from now)

I will be catching up on the thread when I get home and posting then as I will be around. I apologize for the not being here basically all day 1 but game start time was made after I had plans.

I shall see the thread in 4-6 hours hopefully


what happened to this btw BC?

And why did you vote yourself?
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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 13 2014 23:41 GMT
#1877
raynpelikoneet
BloodyC0bbler
chinstrap
bumatlarge
marvellosity
yamato77 - 95%
Mig
VayneAuthority - 95%
Alakaslam - 95%

VisceraEyes
Koshi
DoctorHelvetica

WaveofShadow
gumshoe - 70%
LSB Banking - 60%
Blazinghand
justanothertownie - 60%
thrawn2112
Mocsta
- this one I've put down to trusting marv-aside from his blind aggression he has not done much as far as I can tell
suchdoge
Captain Obvious
Aquanim - 95%
Coagulation -95%
Hopeless1der


All the players I have highlighted in bold green, IMO, are very very unlikely to be scum. There are only two players I have as slight town-JAT and LSB Banking. I don't think they're all that likely to be scum given that other options can't be eliminated, particularly if both WoS and VE are scum. If most other options are exhausted I'd look at these guys again. The players I've labeled as - 95% I have given a very slight chance to be scum. Alakaslam, for example, might very possibly be scum if the logs he posted with VE were faked, but it is incredibly unlikely. Those logs mostly just make VE look much worse, particularly as it raises the question of why VE would be willing to talk to slam and not myself, for example, or marv in particular.

There are four scum in the above list-I don't see VE being town, and WoS is probably scum too. VE being scum probably makes Captain Obvious a bit less likely to be scum as well, though if he continues to not provide reads that'd be a bit worrisome. Gumshoe I think is a good possibility for scum, particularly because of his quite strange interactions with Xatalos, among other things. From what I understand he lurks pretty hard as town as well but posts like this still give me pause.

On January 13 2014 04:58 gumshoe wrote:
I'm fine with Marv as mayor, also I'm fine with xata dying regardless of my alignment because once he's out of the game I can stop lurking!

## Vote: Marvellosity


This post is almost nonsensical, and when I read it I wondered why he made that first comment at all. He said something similar about Xatalos earlier in the game too. He also hasn't stopped lurking, so he should be pressured to do so. Probably the fastest way to figure out if he's scum or not is if he's responsive in PMs, even if his opinions make little sense.

Of the remaining players there are only four:

BC
bumatlarge
chinstrap
Captain Obvious

I'd put all of these firmly in the null range. BC has done absolutely nothing so far. Unreadable.
Chinstrap, likewise, has done nothing so far. Again, unreadable.

Bum promised me a read of Xatalos and disappeared. He actually bothered to respond to my PM, which is sort of a plus, but he disappeared and didn't follow through on a simple promise, which is a minus. Pretty unreadable.

Captain Obvious is not quite on the same level of unreadable as the others but I've listed him here simply because he should not be ignored. VE had some interaction with him by calling him scum (and saying he would not mind CO getting lynched-though he said the same thing about Xatalos) but Captain Obvious has done nothing to show us he is town.

If in the worst case one or both of VE/WoS are town then the above list should probably be strongly reconsidered. In this case, we may have to reconsider some town reads. I'd start with LSB Banking and JAT and work from there.

If we are to consider balance and both VE and WoS flip scum then it is probably likely that there is a newer player on the scumteam, which would make someone like chinstrap/LSB/JAT more likely.
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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 13 2014 23:44 GMT
#1878
one thing to mention is that it is likely that scum did not want marv mayor day 1.

I would expect there to have been resistance to his candidacy, but not directly. This would explain, for example, VE's late vote on marv, among other things.

This makes players such as BC and chinstrap look worse despite the fact that they did not do anything else, because they wasted their votes. This is a good way for scum to indirectly oppose a good candidacy, because by feigning ignorance they do not have to give reasons for opposing. This is something to think about but unfortunately it can't be used with anything else to further any sort of read since neither player has done anything yet.
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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 14 2014 00:16 GMT
#1902
what the fuck?

Why would you reveal that?
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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 14 2014 00:22 GMT
#1917
wtf that timing was awful

can someone explain this??
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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 14 2014 00:25 GMT
#1924
I'm assuming he got modkilled because he put the pastebin in thread?

Although I don't understand why that would be the case.
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suchdoge
Profile Joined January 2014
Guatemala91 Posts
January 14 2014 00:43 GMT
#1952
On January 14 2014 09:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
damn lsb u are pretty townie that was a pretty cool reaction test

u help us catch gumshoe, i give you .3 townie points


lol
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