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On January 11 2014 17:44 yamato77 wrote:
Why do you think gumshoe is town?
Because he said "vote me for mayor because i am so bad". 
On January 11 2014 17:45 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2014 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am also curious why people are supporting DrH so hard when he has made zero contributions towards anyone in this game besides himself. If he is to become a mayor he should be interested in lynching mafia, not discussing how he is going to get people talk on D2. I'm supporting DocH because I like the way he's approached the game so far. While it's true that he hasn't discussed his reads or anything yet, I still feel it's relatively early and he's gonna have to if he hopes to ACTUALLY be elected for obvious reasons. If I don't like what he has to say then, I'm free to change my vote as far as I know. Until then, I'm picking up what he's laying down and can get behind him as mayor.
Tell me, does it seem like DrH is interested in finding mafia and if your answer is yes, which posts of his contribute towards scumhunting? If the answer is no, why are you supporting him again?
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currently thinking about rayn/yamato for mayor
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His posts have a sense of urgency and inquisitiveness that feel to me like he's suspicious of everyone and questioning of their motives. That's hard to fake and I think he's town for it.
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DocH scumhunts differently than I do. DocH is an aggressor - he pressures and he pokes and prods until he finds the scum. I work the other way around, and I think anyone who's played with me would agree. I'm a town-hunter by default and scumhunt mostly through process of elimination.
I feel like as scum DocH would be more passive, less confrontational and almost certainly less active early game.
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I'd like to lynch Mocsta
Original Message From Mocsta: Sucks to be you. Enjoy the short game scum-mato Show nested quote +Original Message From yamato77: If you're town, this is a bit silly. Original Message From Mocsta: Caught pants down. Im gonna vig you. beter become mayor and lynch me Original Message From yamato77: ... alright, then Original Message From Mocsta: OK scum. Good bye. Original Message From yamato77: Wave would be on the shortlist of people I'd consider for mayor aside from myself. Original Message From Mocsta: Currently undecided. What do you think? Original Message From yamato77: Your vote. Original Message From Mocsta: Intentions about? Original Message From yamato77:
Would you be more forthcoming about your intentions in private?
I think the quote chain speaks for itself.
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VE can you be more specific, what posts are those. Because to me this:
I think a mafia mayor will go with some sort of platform that seems safe, bank on their veteran status if they have it, promise good scumhunting and then not follow through. Waste the actual benefits of the position itself.
is the closest thing to characterize DrH's play atm. Talk about general stuff, setup, mayor powers and "how to use them". Not scumhunting.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 11 2014 16:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2014 16:15 Mocsta wrote:On January 11 2014 15:45 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 11 2014 15:42 Mocsta wrote:On January 11 2014 15:37 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 11 2014 15:36 Mocsta wrote:On January 11 2014 15:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 11 2014 15:11 Mocsta wrote:On January 11 2014 15:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well here's a shocker ladies and gents: I've rolled town. ##Vote: WoS/Gigglytummy So....you're voting me for mayor? Correct I haven't announced my intent to campaign. Is there a reason I have your vote and you apparently trust me over DrH and all of the other people who are actually trying for mayor? Yes because you rolled town. being confirmed town, why wouldnt i vote for you? Even were I confirmed town, how do you know I will use the mayoral powers effectively? How do you know I would care? I would think that you should. I'm not entirely certain that it will be enough in this game for the mayoral role to go to someone people believe/assume is town alone---it may be important that the role rightfully goes to someone who will effectively get scum lynched; that is, someone with strong reads and convictions but who will also be able to defer to the town and/or take advice when necessary. I am actually interested in other people's thoughts on this matter: would it simply be enough to give the mayor role to someone who was theoretically confirmed town but may or may not use the role to great effect? And another question specifically for you, Mocsta. I am currently in contact with somebody who believes that you may be trolling with that vote. Is that true?
I just got back from Friday Night Magic so I'm going to respond to the thread. I'd rather give the mayor role to someone I was maybe 70% sure was town but know would be effective than someone who I was 100% sure is town but had no confidence in. Scum mayor is a high pressure situation and if they're afraid to use or threaten the hammer at all, or kind of sit back with the role and play it safe I'll probably push them on Day 3 if I'm still alive. It'd be worth losing the mayor role to catch a mafia tbh, but of course I wouldn't vote for anyone I find suspicious. That's why I'm running anyway.
On January 11 2014 16:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2014 16:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If someone disappeared from the thread after being accused and ignored the hammer threat completely, I'd try to swing the vote on them and ride the day out to avoid cutting it short but id drop it right away if it seemed like the bandwagon would change I don't think I understand. What do you mean by 'dropping it,' and if the bandwagon would change to what? Do you mean off of the threatened person or onto him?
Dropping the hammer, off the threatened player.
So I threaten hammer on Player C who is accused Day 2, Player C either shitposts or dips out of the thread entirely. I will not drop the hammer but encourage everyone to lynch Player C. If there is a concerted effort to misdirect the vote off of C or people start to lose confidence for a dumb reason, that is when I would exercise the power to hammer the player. Partly because town should never ever do that and partly because I'd like to foster a town environment where that kind of wishy washy shit doesn't happen.
I agree more or less with yamato's reads so far. I'd bet like five dollars at this point (let's say that means I'm around 40% sure) that either marvellosity or bloodycobbler are mafia. Marv said he's high in a PM to me and BC sometimes doesn't read when he's not interested and I'm not going to call for anyones head until they defend themselves, but they can not be allowed to continue playing passively. All Marv did when he PM'd me today is basically try to make me doubt myself, then not push it/argue when I didn't agree, and ask me sort of easy questions? There wasn't really any point to the communication, I couldn't figure out what he was getting at as town but maybe he was just bored. Either way, it's not good.
So, BH PM'd me his post about voting for me like an hour or two before he posted it, that's really strange? I think he was gauging for my reaction to it but all I did was comment on the bit about the miller, I didn't thank him or tell him anything I thought about his support in and of itself, because I was immediately put off by a move like that. I told Marv what happened and he says oh well it's just BH being BH, it's not interesting, which I am also put off by because that's an easy excuse not to examine his intentions. I demand that BH explains his intentions. He still seems to think a kush lynch is the best option, so why not continue your campaign yourself? All you have to do is use the hammer in the way I've explained, if you think that's a good idea, you can get what you want and what I argued for? Says to me he doesn't really care about his own lynch at all and that's not a good sign. Please explain.
On January 11 2014 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am also curious why people are supporting DrH so hard when he has made zero contributions towards anyone in this game besides himself. If he is to become a mayor he should be interested in lynching mafia, not discussing how he is going to get people talk on D2.
I don't think it's fair to call me a non-contributing player for talking about policy and derailing a shitty policy lynch like an hour or two into the game, when I've been pretty busy all night. I don't think talking about policy is useless at all actually, I think it's the best thing or really the only thing to do on Day 1. I've expressed this sentiment before, outside of being in a game, so I can promise you that viewpoint is not connected to my alignment in any way. Scum have been caught straight up this way before. Like Promethelax in LX who argued about policy lynches on Day 1 then didn't follow through with his own logic then martyred himself over getting caught.
Just the way people respond to the mayoral campaigns and policy ideas can be very telling. I.E if they spend all their time devaluing other peoples ideas and complaining that no one is scumhunting when they aren't doing anything else except throwing negativity on what other people are doing - with no clear goal in mind. The player who agreed with the kush lynch is highly suspect as well, here's some trademark laziness from me - i'm not gonna look back and find out who that is rn - but i'm pretty sure someone said the kush lynch seemed like a good idea or is "okay with me" and if I was a dayvig I'd have a strong urge to shoot that person right away. Wouldn't do it. But I'd have a strong urge.
I apologize for not having rock solid scumreads and that I'm not ready to kill anyone right now. Hopefully my intentions to pressure marv/BC into being active and BH into explaining himself count as contribution. I'd also like to see rayn do something other than post one liners and cast doubt on others. If I am expected as town to be doing some kind of amazing scumhunting right now, then you are too. Unfortunately, I scum hunt at my pace and on my time and not yours and I prefer to keep town on a need to know basis. There are plenty of other players that have piqued my interest or said things that stood out to me. I find making constant lists of everyone I find mildly suspicious absolutely worthless, I can say I already have ideas forming about who and how to pressure certain people when I'm more alert in the morning and that I can promise that it will be made very apparent in the second half of Day 1.
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yes I agree and would like to add:
Original Message From Mocsta: I saw my role Pm. So I know mine. Show nested quote +Original Message From thrawn2112: what is your most recent read or thought about an alignment Original Message From Mocsta: You werent mentioned in the QT link? Guess that means we are masons. Original Message From thrawn2112:
are we masons again? or are you scum?
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On January 11 2014 17:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:VE can you be more specific, what posts are those. Because to me this: Show nested quote +I think a mafia mayor will go with some sort of platform that seems safe, bank on their veteran status if they have it, promise good scumhunting and then not follow through. Waste the actual benefits of the position itself. is the closest thing to characterize DrH's play atm. Talk about general stuff, setup, mayor powers and "how to use them". Not scumhunting.
I'm talking about aggressively threatening and utilizing the hammer power to pressure people who try to behave passively in this game, and force accused scum to respond to cases made by me and other players. That's not really what I would call safe or passive play. I've also admitted that I would be very inactive tonight. When I made those posts the only previous discussion was BH's stupid plan to kill kush because he personally doesn't like the guy so I don't know where I was supposed to pull a scum case out of my ass at that point but maybe you'll be satisfied by my previous post, or maybe someone told you to attack me to "throw me off" since that usually works
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Mocsta is trolling and I think a vig should shoot him, deciding the lynch this early set in stone might not be a good idea. I would encourage all vig bullets to go toward mocsta if he doesn't adequately explain why he is trolling and purposely being unhelpful immediately and stop playing this way. If I'm mayor I won't tolerate intentionally anti-town behavior and I encourage everyone to get those players my vote away from hammer so they can be dealt with quickly, they either explain (to satisfaction) and stop or they die.
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DrH:
I can promise you that viewpoint is not connected to my alignment in any way.
That's my point. Town wants a townie mayor. You havn't done scumhunting yet, you yourself said so.
Why are people backing you up on your campaign?
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On January 11 2014 09:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why should we policy lynch a player day 1 just because you alone have a hard time dealing with them being in the game? If this was your intention, did you mention it before the beginning? I would say that this is an attempt to make the thread discussion worthless but you're not dumb enough to think that the town is going to be on board with that lynch, or that in the 48 hours that pass from now the discussion will still be seriously centered around a lynch on kush. So you might as well say now exactly what you're getting at - if what you're getting at is that no matter what happens at the end of this day, you would still lynch kush regardless, then whoever is elected should lynch you immediately.
This post where he calls out BH's policy lynch...
On January 11 2014 10:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2014 10:47 Alakaslam wrote:
Hello.
I have neither interest in running for nor objection to being mayor. Probably better to confirm a vet as town and then vote that veteran.
I will initiate a private chat with Blazinghand soon, otherwise feel free to PM me your desired method of communication. I watch Star Trek evenings (California time), immediately following tends to improve communication with me.
Please be wary of me, I am very good at looking town early! It just doesn't tend to last. This game I may try and learn how to do that or simply exude my alignment naturally.
I'm expecting a pretty good game. Cool, now participate in the current discussion. Should the mayor ever hammer? What do you think of BH on kush?
...and this one where he tries to poke Alak into contribution both fall in line with the kind of play I expect from a town DocH at this stage in the game. Also I like the amount of thought he's put into how the mayor power /should/ be used and how we should view players who /misuse/ the power. It all just feels very townie to me rayn, and I know that if DocH is town he's not bullshitting when he says he'll lynch his top scumread. I just hope it's not me. :/
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I am not blaming you for not doing scumhunting. I want you to start. Being busy does not make you mafia.
I am more interested in people who are backing you up in your campaign because you have "so really good contributions" when i feel like they are not good. Everything that is not finding mafia is not good.
There is no need for campaigns and shit, lynching mafia is the only thing mayor should do, every day. Like other townies.
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VE who the fuck would do anything else than lynch their top scumread as mayor if they are town?
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what do you consider scumhunting. would you like me to say i am 100% sure someone is mafia right now and i'm ready to go all in? did you ignore the rest of my post completely.....
what is the point of going on and on about how I dared to mention policy? the contribution it's made is that everyone is talking and taking sides now, it got the day 1 ball rolling. people are starting to form opinions. suspicions. but you don't seem to really be forming any suspicions or scumhunting yourself. your style of play is 100% reactive and negative. you're not helping. you don't even have an opinion about my own alignment, even though you're almost only talking about me and the day isn't even half over yet.
Demanding BH explain his strange behavior, calling out mocsta, mentioning marv's strange behavior in PMs and asking him to explain and be less passive as well as BC. What else would you like me to do like 1/3rd of the way into the first day? Considering I've been busy for the last 7 hours as well.
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ve this conversation about DrH is so boring! say something more interesting plz!
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So does BH wanting to policy lynch kush make him mafia? How so?
In the last game BH wanted to policy lynch someone who would not contribute. He was confirmed town in that game and did nothing but wanted to policy lynch a lurker, all game.
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On January 11 2014 18:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE who the fuck would do anything else than lynch their top scumread as mayor if they are town?
But you know what I mean - like, I don't doubt that I'll know who DocH is going to lynch in the minutes or hours leading up to the lynch if he's town. I trust him to not pull some bullshit on a whim.
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On January 11 2014 18:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not blaming you for not doing scumhunting. I want you to start. Being busy does not make you mafia.
I am more interested in people who are backing you up in your campaign because you have "so really good contributions" when i feel like they are not good. Everything that is not finding mafia is not good.
There is no need for campaigns and shit, lynching mafia is the only thing mayor should do, every day. Like other townies.
that's really misrepresenting my style of play it sounds to me like instead of reading and thinking about my posts you're trying to force an idea : / or maybe too focused by the idea of talking about policy. Don't blame me for other people reacting to my play a certain way, you're backing down when you're talking to me directly but refuse to acknowledge anything else I've done or said in the thread and also assuming I'm being inactive in PMs as well which is interesting
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On January 11 2014 18:09 thrawn2112 wrote:
ve this conversation about DrH is so boring! say something more interesting plz!
Hey buddy, feel free to talk about whatever you want. All sorts of stuff is happening. If you don't like the questions I'm being asked, go to the source. I'm just an answer man.
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