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We'll drown as we look for land If scum starts to plunder I'll hold their heads under And kill them with my bare hands | ||
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Lynch not the active for it encourages inactivity The votes on people who are talking are probably bad. Let Xalatis mouth off if he wants to, aside from aimless spam (Abra, I'm looking at you). A good mafia knows he will get caught if he posts without thinking. If everyone is active, good. If thou hast reads of green, keep them to thyself til it proves fruitful. No one gives two shits about random town reads when they aren't being threatened. Their only danger is mafia, and if they get hit then he is doing his job better then you are. Though shalt not meta At least not early. I.E. If I said you shouldn't lynch me day 1 because I was lynched day 1 last game as town, I'm full of shit. You may know someone, but your read is either too fresh or too old. Let this game sink in. ( lol sink) I don't know many of you, and I'm on my phone so I can't review the thread better, but I'm not an awful player and I don't want people to fall into mentalities they shouldn't. By the way, you shouldn't lynch because I was lynched day 1 last game and I was town.  | ||
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On December 10 2013 13:21 LSB wrote: I think you need to add a new page to your book Bum. Thou shall not betray own plan in PYP mafia or else someone will replace in and mess you up.  No comment. We should probably not talk about it, because you are still playing it. | ||
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On December 10 2013 13:33 Plutarch wrote: That is fine if we are really stuck for someone to lynch. But as I stated earlier; I would much rather try to find scum day one than settle on a lurker lynch which is essentially a coin-flip. The best scum hunters aren't good early. Talkative scum have to be brilliant to not make mistakes early. They would only benefit if they are a lot quicker/smarter then us. I'd like I not think that. | ||
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I'd be more then happy if I were proved wrong with scum lynch right now. Assuming you aren't calling me stupid. Have at you! | ||
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Information is subjectively valued. In standard setups, information is massively overshadowed by conclusions drawn from all information. Information is a too insubstantial this early. I'd be more then happy to keep filling up the thread with this gentleman talk if you'll oblige. | ||
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On December 10 2013 14:04 Holyflare wrote: 1) What benefit to our fact and analysis tracking does talking about policy have? 2) What facts do we retrieve from lynching a lurker over someone that is actively participating? I think you are misreading information as information. Analysis and facts are made from information that we gather, what analsyis can we create from lynching off a "modkillable" player compared to the wealth of analsysis that can be created from a scummy, active player. _________________ Either way, I would much rather you talk about people in this game than further this discussion. What have you gathered so far? Were you able to fully catch up on your phone? Information is actions, Analyses are read based. Read is such a non-intuitive word. Read is a notable opinion based on analysis. You can't have a real read so soon based on what is posted. I tried and I don't have anything that evolves into something worth pursuing right now, at least publicly. Lynch information day 1 is weak as well. I'd like to think of it as the control, from there you can get really Solid reads. I'd rather lynch a blank green then an active green. Don't misalign what I say, if everyone is active then you are correct, but based on experience, I'd say this doesn't happen in public games. That's just opinion. There is always some one that isn't worth keeping around as town. And if thy start arguing as scum, good. There is really nothing to catch up on. I don't have any notable scum reads. But I'd like to keep talking with people who are willing to talk. I'm confident anything I can procure with people that are willing I talk with me is useful to very townie. | ||
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On December 10 2013 14:43 Alakaslam wrote: Ice is static, water flows, and fire grows, moves, and spreads. Are you quoting avatar? | ||
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On December 10 2013 15:49 Plutarch wrote: Basically there is no way you can have a town read on kush and have it be meaningful or based on solid analysis, or any analysis at all. But do you understand that you argument is probably weak? If I can't find a beater candidate, then you probably right | ||
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On December 10 2013 15:58 Plutarch wrote: Doubtful. What I am saying is that you have provided justification that kush is town and the entire reasoning that you provided can be used to justify both a town and a scum kush, thus, your justification is flawed and every reason you stated for kush to be town is in fact a null tell. Juiceeewew | ||
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On December 10 2013 15:49 Plutarch wrote: Basically there is no way you can have a town read on kush and have it be meaningful or based on solid analysis, or any analysis at all. Damn you are good. Keep postind | ||
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You sure do ask a lot of questions. That's great but it's an easy way for scum to post. Think of how easy it is to poke around new threads and post question marks. Super minor though. Your last few posts seem a little too vicious for what you are calling out. Activity is looking great this game, so let's not discuss how big our filters are, when your filter is not hard for you to generate as scum. There are much worse offenders then you, I'll try to find them. You should vote pandain though. | ||
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On December 11 2013 02:51 Spaghetticus wrote: Are you talking to me? It seems like it. Yeah I'm getting my vicious streak out this game, I'm not usually this pissed off at everything, I swear! I've been lynched as town for being too nice! I'm not voting Pandain. He's gonna opt out or get modkilled IMO. I think talking about filters is legitimate when they are this small. It's why you're hitting Pandain right? He's the only real lurker left. I don't think we should not lynch someone just because they might get modkilled. He said he couldn't wait for the game, and then he peaced after 2 small posts. I mostly want him to start posting if he is around. | ||
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On December 11 2013 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Bumatlarge do you think Pandains posting / lack of posting is the most important thing there is going on in thread? Don't worry, I'm reading your posts you to are a big question asker, but you seem to do that alot anyway.Put it this way. I'd like to enter Day 2 with everyone here except pandain. I'm not advocating a sort of no-lynch policy, but I don't think we have a good lynch. What is important in this thread at the moment is debatable. I want to keep the accusations streamlined, and I don't want 6 kushmastas giving me their green reads. The pressure levels are sweet. That's probably what's most important. | ||
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On December 11 2013 02:57 Spaghetticus wrote: My notes on you Bumatlarge are lacking. Tell me about yourself. You seem nice. Would you consider it outside of your character to be aggressive? Who are you reading and which way? You seem to be playing passively with lots of theory. This is my natural inclination too, though I'm having it beaten out of me :/ I am Batman. I make bad plays for excitement factor, but I'm trying not to. I am super non-confrontational by nature, so it's hard to be aggressive for me even if the mood fits. I have alot of games under my belt though, so despite kushmasta saying no one should take advice from me, I'd like to think I know what I'm doing. I don't have a read on this kush dude honestly. Is he always so random? I'm looking into Plutarch right now. I've convinced myself that he's someone worth analyzing. | ||
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On December 11 2013 03:03 JarJarDrinks wrote: Mind answering this bum? I'll answer if you are asking, not if Kush is. I was under the impression that Spagman started posting after a bunch of people who I did not think were mafia in the thread started to think that alot of people posting in the thread were not mafia. I saw an anarchist intent in Spaghetti's posts, but I was incorrect. His posts seemed more emotional then scum driven. | ||
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On December 11 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait what? We are under 24h into the game and the only thing you want to talk about is someone who has not posted. Do you think people voting for him now does: 1) make him magically come here posting sooner? 2) leave us with more information than pressuring other people even if he does not come back and we lynch him? But he hasss posted. Information is overrated! He will come if we vote him. He is the missing corner piece to a fully fledged town! MEGAZORD ASSEMBLED! Also do you think Pandain as mafia is type of a player that goes inactive for any other than non-game related reasons? If not, why exactly are you trying to shut down discussion? ?!?!?! I don't meta this early. Why would you think that last statement. Am I distracting you? | ||
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On December 11 2013 03:11 kushm4sta wrote: how is my push on bum random?? it's obvious not random. Bum is there a reason you want alakaslam here d2? Or did you forget about him or what? I think he is more important then an empty slot. On December 11 2013 03:11 kushm4sta wrote: gets bluesniped d1 thinks he's the shit What are you talking about? | ||
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On December 11 2013 03:18 kushm4sta wrote: Why??? You are acting like a child and you are hurting my feelings. ##unvote this explanation makes sense though I'm sorry Let's be friends | ||
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On December 11 2013 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: To me it seemed like you wanted to vote for an inactive, encouraged everyone else to vote for an inactive and therefore shut down any productive discussion until Pandain returns. Apparently this is not true (since you started talking about other things) so carry on, my post is no longer relevant. What do you think of my cases on Grackaroni and purpletrator? I believe pressure is possible outside of immediate voting and lynching. I am not attempting to derail any of your hard work. I actually liked purples reason for getting off LSB, but as LSB said, he should look at any other finishe game LSB has played, of which there is many. His reason for getting on LSB in the first place is not good. That whole interaction seemed like a joke up until that point. That said, let smurfs smurf. I'm all about not reading metas this game if you haven't noticed. I need to see more from grackaroni to be convinced of anything. | ||
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On December 10 2013 15:48 Plutarch wrote: Its somewhat convoluted but the basics are as follows: 1) kush is acting in such a way which reduces his thread power later in the game 2) a potential late game town player wants some power 3) if kush is town he is a potential late game town player 4) kush is not town playing for the late game 5) kush is not town playing for the early game 6) nothing kush does benefits him if he is town 7) kush is scum You noticing something here? On December 10 2013 15:49 Plutarch wrote: Basically there is no way you can have a town read on kush and have it be meaningful or based on solid analysis, or any analysis at all. This is a problem you should work on if you are town. Try going off what other people have said about your reads instead of trail blazing and your interactions will make you a much more desirable townie! | ||
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Oh hello he had to go. Well, bumatlarge, maybe I will ask you this: does spaghetticus/xata interactions with the flaming fury maker (sorry) tell of anything at all? I am wanting to look at this as well. See what folks think.[quote] Xalatos saw scum in the posts of spag where I saw noting. He is the one at fault. I didn't see much there beyond that worth exploring. [quote]Also, I was the first to ask for a votecount. Does this strike you as alignment indicative, are you certain my filter is "shit"? Care to check it out?[/QUOTE] I hope this isn't directed at me, as I don't know what you are talking about. | ||
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On December 11 2013 03:39 Alakaslam wrote: Oh hello he had to go. Well, bumatlarge, maybe I will ask you this: does spaghetticus/xata interactions with the flaming fury maker (sorry) tell of anything at all? I am wanting to look at this as well. See what folks think. Xalatos saw scum in the posts of spag where I saw noting. He is the one at fault. I didn't see much there beyond that worth exploring. Also, I was the first to ask for a votecount. Does this strike you as alignment indicative, are you certain my filter is "shit"? Care to check it out? I hope this isn't directed at me, as I don't know what you are talking about. Together but separate, like oatmeal | ||
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On December 11 2013 03:45 kushm4sta wrote: Cool thanks for the tips dude! Here's some for you. l2play cause frankly it's a complete disgrace that you play how you do after over 30 fucking games. Ouch. | ||
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Dude, check out my massive filter No way man, that's super minimal compared to mine Your filter is bogus bro, no content, mines pure content Bra, you have the reading comprehension of a first grader | ||
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On December 11 2013 03:51 kushm4sta wrote: sorry bum something about your arrogance compels me want to flame you. dont want to start a flame war though. well i do but i shouldn't. I'm happy it makes you mad, because then you genuinely want to help town! WE DID IT KUSH. YOU ARE NOT SCUM! | ||
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On December 11 2013 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: bumatlarge in fact my case on purple was not purely based on how he get on / off LSB, it was based on the fact that not a single piece of their interaction could possibly share any light on LSB's alignment to him. It was a useless contribution that was in a crappy way made look like he was contributing something. I have to agree. The post he voted LSB with really sells it. | ||
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On December 11 2013 07:31 Holyflare wrote: Ok nobody asked me to further my read on bum when I just posted so I'm going to do it for you. Hey, HF, what did this mean? Oh, thanks for pointing that out! Well here's what I'm saying. Bumatlarge is a problem in our current environment. While the game is continuously developing with speech on people, reads on others and general scum hunting his attitude is not to participate in any of this for the majority of his first and second appearences in the thread. In fact, he urges AGAINST lynching people that aren't modkill territory. Now, as a town mindset, I don't mind this if he kept it to himself and slightly pushed for a pandain lynch over time by gently easing us into it with constructive points on why so and so is better to keep in the game than a player who looks like he just got caught up IRL. However, he effectively disregards that pandain plays actively as all alignments by saying he doesn't care what pandain is capable of: What benefit do these interactions bring anyone other than to antagonise or hide his alignment? People are curious as to why he wants to lynch off pandain - who is quite clearly not here - and his first response is to question why people are annoyed rather than actively discuss. The bolded part is a pretty big twist of words. Of course I care what Pandain is capable of. I did make a mistake though, as I'm not used to replacements. Pandain wouldn't be modkilled, he'd just be replaced. I'm glad you pointed this out. ##Unvote I was clearly trying to get my thoughts out, and no one had yet to respond to rayne about his reads on grack and purple. He is also quite happy to give out scum read BEFORE he has read anything to do with the players: and then we all know he completely backtracked by saying "oh i read you now you aren't scum"... A person he had a TOP scum read on suddenly becomes not scum - spag over everyone else so far - just because he decided it was apt to read up on the person he called scum after he called him scum. Giving out reads on people based off idea's in your head is not a town mentality, or if it is, it is indicative of a LAZY town, something that bumatlarge surely wouldn't be as he was trying to instruct people how to play town at the start of the game. You didn't include what I said after that. On December 11 2013 02:40 bumatlarge wrote: Reading your fitler, I'm probably wrong. I didn't remember you posting alot early, but you did and it was better. You seem aggravated, I'd actually suggest stepping away from mafia for an hour or two and come back with a fresh mind. You sure do ask a lot of questions. That's great but it's an easy way for scum to post. Think of how easy it is to poke around new threads and post question marks. Super minor though. Your last few posts seem a little too vicious for what you are calling out. Activity is looking great this game, so let's not discuss how big our filters are, when your filter is not hard for you to generate as scum. There are much worse offenders then you, I'll try to find them. You should vote pandain though. I think I stated that fairly well. I didn't get the same read I did reading his more recent posts on my phone. I could do a play by play of his following posts but he actively neglects a player in this game (kush) by saying he won't respond to questions raised by him. That being said, this is the thing that stands out to me THE MOST.... Did you read what kush posted? Purple has not participated in this game really AT ALL, i'd lump him in with pandain in terms of activity except purple looks way more scummy. Bum dictates that he is not using meta at all in this game and actively persuades people to not do the same but then justifies purples reads on LSB when purple indeed used meta: He liked purples reason for getting off LSB!?!??!?!?!?! (META META META META META) Not only was purples reasoning for getting off of LSB atrocious but he is then telling us that he accepts it as a logical reason based on meta (that he doesn't want us to use) for getting off LSB? Why is it that he can pick and choose when to accept meta for people like LSB and purple but not for people like pandain etc? There is no good reason other than to say he doesn't like a purple lynch. He knows purple is a smurf, purple has been bad this game. Let's leave him alone. That is NOT a logical conclusion to draw from the entirety of his filter. I don't like it at all. Again, I probably should explained why I liked it. I can't go into too much detail, but On December 10 2013 09:00 purpletrator wrote: He fails to read things properly. I should actually read games where I know his alignment, but I dont see it making a difference tbh. I was lynched day 1 in PYP because LSB took tryndamere after I said I was going to. He just missed my claim. I ended up failing to deny tryndamere and getting counterclaimed by LSB on something I thought was pretty cool townie move. I was bringing it up as a joke, because it's that very reason that screwed me really good. It is contradictory if you didn't know the backstory. but then.... he agrees with rayn.................? I want to hear his responses but my unvote/vote is heavily leaning towards him right now. You are mixing up Purple's off/on votes. I thought his reason for voting LSB was bad. And I found his reasons for unvoting LSB to be funny. Just because I am not using meta, doesn't mean I can't comment on other people who do. | ||
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On December 11 2013 11:28 Holyflare wrote: Also bum, in response to what you wrote. It is entirely NOT a twisting of words. Somebody states to you that pandain does not play like this as any alignment and is most probably afk - you state that you don't want to meta him, so are therefore not acknowledging that this isn't an afk pandain because you do not use meta, whereas, when purple comes in to talk about LSB with meta you then agree with him and have subsequently proven that you DO use meta by agreeing with his point on LSB missing things. WE CANNOT KNOW LSB'S ALIGNMENT FROM PYP SO STOP USING IT. What if he only did that as scum? Then your whole basis for liking it would be bad and we still would never know. So which is it? Are you relying on your own meta but nobody elses? Why is that the case? Man, you are taking that too far now. Did you even read what I wrote? Here. Bum: I'm not going to meta Purple: LSB doesn't seem to read Bum:... LSB: LOL Holy: omg meta | ||
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On December 11 2013 05:37 sidesprang wrote: Exactly I currently view everyone as town, people have done scummy things. But no one are scum In my eyes yet, if so I would have voted for em. So why I would phrase that in any other way I really do not know, and tbh you just seem desperate to find something that is not there. He is from Norway, his English might not be the best, but he has odd ways of approaching the game. He just needs to post more I think. LSB, can you point out exactly what the bait and switch was from? | ||
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On December 11 2013 15:28 Plutarch wrote: You said you were going to look at me. What resulted from that? Nothing | ||
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I don't like panda ins reasons. I don't think comparing me to a vastly different game is right, and even then I don't think I'm posting that differently there. And after that he gets on holy for not staying on me. I do agree with Pandain on Slam, but his whole anti policy lynch spiel doesn't sit right with me. Generalizations about scum defending policy lynches seems poorly thought out. Why wouldn't they remark on something that's subjective in either direction? Policy lynches are often revealing, and while I don't think Slam is a good one, it would make it easy for him to get his points across or probably not post. He says he can decipher slams posts, but I'd like to know because I've been trying to no avail. | ||
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On December 11 2013 21:53 Plutarch wrote: I also found it strange that Bum could state he was analyzing my filter due to me being 'interesting' and then find absolutely nothing to talk about. How can you read 6 pages of filter and arrive at zero conclusions? I said you were interesting, because I liked your posts. I used your posts to read kush, so thanks for that. | ||
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On December 11 2013 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i am steering the town into lynching you because you have made 70 posts that say absolutely nothing. All you have to say is someone is mafia because of some assumed connection because they tried to guess someone's identity. Every other post you have made is an OMGUS to call out people who are telling you to go scumhunt or telling you why your logic does not make sense. You are not really trying to find mafia and your attitude towards people in this game gives out you are working under fear, pressure, insecureness and inherent guilt. ##Vote: Spaghetticus I think this sum's up how aggressively we are approaching scumhunting. Picking apart what people say to get reads is fine, but concluding that everything a person says that doesn't resolve in a red read is quite vicious, and I think it's detrimental for players when we want them to be open about their posts. Forcing questions and re-establishing scum-hunting lines are great for a distracted an inactive town, but I think we've established that everyone here is willing to try, and scum is willing to post as well. Repeatedly harping on people for content and reads stalls thread discussion rather then promoting it. Trust town to reach it's conclusions eventually. The enviroment is becoming so negative that I don't think Spaghetti felt comfortable being free with hisposts, when he really should have no such inhibitions as a townie. Let's minimize the Spaghettis and be a little more lenient with our pace. I can't imagine what you guys start posting like when it's down to the wire if that was the day 1 atmosphere. | ||
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On December 12 2013 12:33 Plutarch wrote: Anyway. I feel like I should take responsibility for the mis-lynch. Reading back on the way things went down I think I should have seen signs of spag's townieness but I just didn't. Anyway I'm going to post something about the way the wagon went down later. It felt like there was a lot of opportunistic jumping on to the wagon at the last minute. The key is took look at which reasoning and voting appears to be genuine and which appears to be faked. I'll write a big post and post it before the night ends. I'll also be around on and off for the next 10- hours or so if anyone want's to chat. I do! On December 11 2013 23:17 Plutarch wrote: Also, Never ever ever make association cases before people have flipped. Do you really stand by this? Would you consider association cases and interactions to be that different? | ||
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On December 12 2013 12:41 Plutarch wrote: Yes. Association cases before flips are just dumb. I consider analyzing interactions to be an important part of scum hunting, but if a case only works if both of the associations are scum and neither have flipped the case is worthless until one of them flips. Sweet, have you looked at jarjar? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On December 12 2013 00:24 JarJarDrinks wrote: yeah ##vote Spaghetticus Like Plu said: He's almost comes right out and said that he's making scum cases to prove his own towniness And then he pretty much admits that he's casting suspicion on townie looking people because it's "typical of [his] style". So again, he's pointing out how what he's saying makes him town. On December 10 2013 13:49 JarJarDrinks wrote: K, I'm here for a bit before sleep. I'll be here all day tomorrow but gonna post my thoughts on some stuff first: Agree completly w/ holy here. I had the same thoughts reading it. Also worth mentioning is how that first paragraph says absolutely nothing. Just obvious stuff like lurking is bad and people shouldn't spam. It's not like he's using it to call out Xatalos since he says he's just using him as an example. It's just a safe non-confrontational post. He's very good at sliding other people's posts into his own. I was on the Vayne train, but I couldn't convince myself after reading this. On December 12 2013 02:50 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##unvote ##vote VayneAuthority Complete contradiction I think contradictions are awesome to find, but comparing these two is reaching. Hard. Even if Vayne felt two different ways about the way he plays in two different posts, you need to build off that to actually get a read. I know JJD was against policy lynching slam, but I found this vote very telling that he is willing to do so if it gives him an easier explanation. I thought it would be worth pointing out | ||
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On December 12 2013 13:02 VayneAuthority wrote: Do you know of his meta btw? He likes to tunnel people as scum. I have confirmation bias so look at it objectively and see if you find him tunneling me then not giving a shit about the lynch once it's clear that me or spag is lynched. He doesn't try to argue that I should be lynched at all after a certain point, just let's it happen. You are like Spag 2.0 | ||
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The votes. They speak to me. Votes, what are you saying? What's that about Alakaslam? His wagon? Apathetic? Gasp, you are right votes! | ||
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Can you post your magically list of townies again? Did you color in the red ones?! | ||
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On December 12 2013 13:18 kushm4sta wrote: mr 30+ games do you know how filters work? Fun fact: Filters did not exist when I first started! | ||
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On December 12 2013 13:35 JarJarDrinks wrote: OMG Reaching?? Vanye says that he would never ever kill alaskaslam if he was scum and then says if he was scum he'd kill alaskaslam. I don't think I could come up with more contradictory statements if I tried. Yeah, you' think if vayne were scum he would have that through! What a silly goose! | ||
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