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Why does this need to be asked fucking 100 times before you actually answer instead of running around the issue? I have no clue who you think is mafia.
Who is mafia and why?
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Corazon tbh it seems like you have some personal vendetta against everyone and that stops you from contributing anything but mindless rage against other people. Nobody is being dick to anyone here, except you.
Could you answer this:
On December 10 2013 19:03 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Plutarch i don't like this: I see some dissonance between your first point and your second. Why would you be so inclined towards policy on low activity players when you have just acknowledged that people can be town and not be active?
Perhaps as you say you only require town to be active and you are, in fact, scum? That is, as Cora says, clearly twisting his words. I disagree. It didn't make sense that someone could state they aren't going to be super active (as town presumably) and then lynch based on an activity metric. Regardless that was my first post which are always slight stretches. I find the part where Cora refuses outright to answer my question and instead forcefully derails the discussion to be much more interesting.
On December 10 2013 19:09 Plutarch wrote:
It starts from that post and continues on until his extended absence.
I think that's a reasonable accusation against you and you should answer it.
After that could you tell us who would you like to see lynched?
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On December 12 2013 01:48 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn i see what you are saying about spaghetti. i think he is just off this game. He already said he's not invested yet. My read is pretty thin so it's more of a hunch.
Anyone read corazon's last post? The ratio of size to content of that post is the highest in the game.
Seriously kush? Do you believe this? The dude has nearly the largest filter in this game.
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On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you.
That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne.
What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment?
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purpletrator why do you ask specifically Cora about my townplay? You very well know about people on this forum and you also very well know Cora has only played with me in games where i have played absolute shit (Titanic & BttB). So, why are you asking about my townplay from a person who is most likely to misrepresent it?
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On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you. That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne. What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment? Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots. I've already pretty much answered all of this
In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum.
If Slam is scum you:
1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so
2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit
3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red
4) you don't need to contribute anything useful
If Slam is town you:
1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways
2) you don't need to contribute anything useful
So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia?
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On December 12 2013 02:26 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
purpletrator why do you ask specifically Cora about my townplay? You very well know about people on this forum and you also very well know Cora has only played with me in games where i have played absolute shit (Titanic & BttB). So, why are you asking about my townplay from a person who is most likely to misrepresent it? I edited that quote, heres the full one: + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2013 13:08 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 13:02 Corazon wrote:@Plutarch: Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting. Case in point: On December 10 2013 08:19 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf? Worst post in thread. ##Vote: purpletrator Kusplain? Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote. Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow. Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok? By the way... rayn, what are you doing? I thought you were going to be one of the most contributive players here. I hope it'll get better from here... Otherwise you're probably scum. What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum? Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him. Cora, do you know rayn's townplay? If so, how would you characterize it? He accused Xata of going after you for sleeping. Thats not why Xata went after you imo. Cora is seeing something that isnt there and I want to know if he has any inclination as to what your usual mode of operation is. I think he's pursuing a target out of OMGUS instead of content and is seeing red because he's hyped up on rage. I was trying to talk him down to get a more objective view of Xata's intentions without explicitly telling him what Xata was doing.
What Corazon says about Xatalos there is completely reasonable. It is as much reaction hunting (if you want to call it that) than what Xatalos did.
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On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you. That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne. What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment? On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots. I've already pretty much answered all of this In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum. If Slam is scum you: 1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so 2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit 3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red 4) you don't need to contribute anything useful If Slam is town you: 1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways 2) you don't need to contribute anything useful So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia? because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like.
Fair enough, just wanted to be sure what you meant.
Are you suggesting Spaghetticus is town?
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On December 12 2013 02:33 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you. That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne. What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment? On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots. I've already pretty much answered all of this In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum. If Slam is scum you: 1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so 2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit 3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red 4) you don't need to contribute anything useful If Slam is town you: 1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways 2) you don't need to contribute anything useful So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia? because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like. Fair enough, just wanted to be sure what you meant. Are you suggesting Spaghetticus is town? Yea he was one of the first to want to lynch Slam so I have him as town until further notice.
Hmm.. I don't think suggesting a policy lynch at the start of the game is alignment indicative of him, especially when, as you said, it's nowhere near to be true (TL towns). That's probably the easiest way to appear contributive and have strong opinions. The target does not really matter.
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On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you. That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne. What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment? On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots. I've already pretty much answered all of this In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum. If Slam is scum you: 1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so 2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit 3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red 4) you don't need to contribute anything useful If Slam is town you: 1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways 2) you don't need to contribute anything useful So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia? because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like.
On December 12 2013 02:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
it's not ridiculous at all if you consider how I play mafia. I KILL these kind of players at night because I find it more enjoyable to play with people that can actually scumhunt and try to trick them. Between that and my blue kill sniping I don't see how it is farfetch'd at all.
Can you explain the contradiction Vayne?
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rofl JJD: <3
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On December 12 2013 02:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
at any rate, look into lynching kush and rayn after this considering they both claim to be able to read me, my last post
No reason to stop playing if you are town. I just want you to explain the contradiction.
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On December 12 2013 02:52 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
where is the contradiction?
You know that I'm pushing him as a mislynch in the thread, killing him as a night kill is pure WIFOM. Completely unrelated. You said you'd never kill him, then you said you'd NK him to make the game more fun for yourself. Direct and absolute contradiction (that I do not find scummy, but its there).
Why don't you find that scummy?
He originally used that as a reason why he is not mafia (because getting rid of Slam is not beneficial to him in any case) and later on said he does not want to play with "bad" players, which goes against his original justification of himself being town.
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On December 12 2013 03:11 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:52 purpletrator wrote:On December 12 2013 02:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
where is the contradiction?
You know that I'm pushing him as a mislynch in the thread, killing him as a night kill is pure WIFOM. Completely unrelated. You said you'd never kill him, then you said you'd NK him to make the game more fun for yourself. Direct and absolute contradiction (that I do not find scummy, but its there). Why don't you find that scummy? He originally used that as a reason why he is not mafia (because getting rid of Slam is not beneficial to him in any case) and later on said he does not want to play with "bad" players, which goes against his original justification of himself being town. Because with Vayne, ego>good play
It has nothing to do with ego. It has to do wit hthe fact he is trying justify why he is town by reasoning X and later on saying he would never do X.
He straight out says "i would never do this as scum therefore i am town" and then he says "i would totally do this as scum". And you don't think it's scummy?
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On December 12 2013 03:17 purpletrator wrote:
No rayn, I do not think Vayne is scummy for puffing his chest.
Do you actually even think about why people say things they do?
You don't really seem to be doing that much. That makes you suspicious aswell.
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On December 12 2013 03:12 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 03:11 kushm4sta wrote:
slam is geting viged so who cares what he has to say he's actually getting lynched right now and its a really bad lynch.
Why exactly is Slam a bad lynch?
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On December 12 2013 03:33 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 03:12 purpletrator wrote:On December 12 2013 03:11 kushm4sta wrote:
slam is geting viged so who cares what he has to say he's actually getting lynched right now and its a really bad lynch. Why exactly is Slam a bad lynch? He is almost the same as an RNG lynch. He's so polarizing of a player that there is no analysis to be done on his wagon or the discussions surrounding him. It is a bad lynch. You get no information and statistically a mislynch.
So what.. You just consider him as town?
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I was hoping Vayne would come back and explain his statement. My vote is not set in stone and i think Spag is scum.
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On December 12 2013 03:40 VayneAuthority wrote:
it's not because spag is scum, it's because rayn is scum. lynch him after I'm proven town.
Dude i am not scum. You know i like to vote and pressure people with voting. You just left the statement unanswered and claimed you will not post any more rayn and kush iare scum ggnore. What does that accomplish?
I don't care about Slam. He'll get vigged unless the vigi is retarded. I would like you to explain the statement because i really do not understand why you did say what you did. Also could you tell who is mafia?
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On December 12 2013 03:46 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 03:40 VayneAuthority wrote:
it's not because spag is scum, it's because rayn is scum. lynch him after I'm proven town. Dude i am not scum. You know i like to vote and pressure people with voting. You just left the statement unanswered and claimed you will not post any more rayn and kush iare scum ggnore. What does that accomplish? I don't care about Slam. He'll get vigged unless the vigi is retarded. I would like you to explain the statement because i really do not understand why you did say what you did. Also could you tell who is mafia? you either lied about learning anything from bttb and time to die or are scum, as far as im concerned. You are making cases on the same stupid shit that is completely meaningless. reminds me of your lonemeow case.
Do not start this because that's exactly what you do as mafia.
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