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On December 13 2013 03:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Cora, I read the post. I thought what I mentioned is worth commenting on. I even said it wasn't a huge deal.
U need to chill the F out.
So you have zero reaction to anything else I've said? Thanks....
And while I have you here, was there ever a point in D1 where you thought Spag was town? It seemed like you were very set on Spag's lynch until Vayne made his contradictory post. After that, you didn't mention anything about Spag. Can you walk me through your process of switching votes from Spag to VA?
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On December 13 2013 03:53 Holyflare wrote:
How can you be so blind as to criticise everything i say as scum lying and bsing about everything when you then accept half the things as truth rofl. It also was most definitely not 1h 15mins it was leaning on 4 hours+.
You then complain that people only comment on a single bit of cases but then you just did the same thing on my vote analysis post, there was much more than just you in it. Don't double standard me now.
Anyway, i will entertain you for now. Who do you think is the scummiest person coming out of the votes yesterday?
Because there are some thing that are true about my play but you blow the rest way out of proportion.
This is what I meant by 1hr 15min
On December 10 2013 11:11 Holyflare wrote:Also cora promised me a case! Most disappointed 
After I had promised a case in an hour. Either this post is meaningless or he is calling me scum for having a life. Both are bad things to say.
I'm not double standarding you. I was responding to the call for me to reply to your post, so that is what I did. However, it must also be considered that you have been tunneling me the whole game. Out of those people, who are you going to attack D2? Me. So there's not much use in talking about your other reads.
I'm working on analyzing the votes and I need to analyze 6 more filters (Slam -> Purple on the sign-up sheet). I will come back with my findings after that.
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Ok, fair enough JJD. So you want a Vayne lynch D2?
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On December 13 2013 04:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 04:03 Corazon wrote:
Ok, fair enough JJD. So you want a Vayne lynch D2? Very much so.
Good, good. In the event a Vayne lynch doesn't happen, who would you be ok lynching?
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On December 13 2013 04:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 04:07 Corazon wrote:On December 13 2013 04:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 13 2013 04:03 Corazon wrote:
Ok, fair enough JJD. So you want a Vayne lynch D2? Very much so. Good, good. In the event a Vayne lynch doesn't happen, who would you be ok lynching? IDK who my #2 is right now. There's a few people I wouldn't mind lynching but none nearly as much as Vayne. And a red vayne means the day 1 lynch gives us a ton of info. I haven't really been crazy about purple this game. He'd probably be a good lynch. And I can't get over Kush voting spag after defending him a whole bunch. But other than that I've mostly thought he was ok this game Also, I thought sidespring was scummy early game and all he's done since then is lurk.
I know Vayne hasn't contributed much but I'm a bit lost on how to read him. He's usually a troll and that why I have a problem reading him.
I agree with what you say about purple. I'm going to elaborate a bit more in my next post.
I can't lynch Kush because I can't read kush.
I do agree that sidespring needs to contribute more but I do how he explained his vote. His explanation for voting Vayne was a lot better then a lot of other explanations for votes. I'd like to give him a chance.
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My scumreads from the D1 votes: (TL;DR is at bottom)
HF- I've said a lot about him but he tunnels me for D1 and then throws his vote away on Slam. If he really believed that I was scum, why wouldn't he throw his vote away on me and not on Slam?
Xatalos- I've talked about him to death as well, but I found some very interesting stuff in his filter:
On December 11 2013 20:48 Xatalos wrote:By the way, I see Spaghetticus mentioned as a lynch candidate every once in a while. I don't really agree. Just look at these posts: Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 22:59 Spaghetticus wrote:
@Kush
Could you give insight into why you think the following people are green:
- Spaghetticus
- Xatalos
- Corazon
- Purpletrator
I'm on the list because while I know my alignment, it seems fairly unanimous that I've done little to demonstrate it. Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 02:42 Spaghetticus wrote:On December 11 2013 02:28 Xatalos wrote:Spag, have you catched up with the thread? What about those slight scumreads that you mentioned? By the way, this post made me think you're more likely town: On December 10 2013 22:59 Spaghetticus wrote:
@Kush
Could you give insight into why you think the following people are green:
- Spaghetticus
- Xatalos
- Corazon
- Purpletrator
I'm on the list because while I know my alignment, it seems fairly unanimous that I've done little to demonstrate it. It just seems counter-intuitive to bring pressure on yourself like that for no real reason. They're just single digit contenders on my spreadsheet (on a scale from -100 being mafia, and 100 being town). I adjust scores accordingly after each incident I find interesting. It's more to keep track of my perspective over time, as I often forget the small stuff. It's really not worth talking about, and I don't want scum knowing my reads unless I'm acting on them. I appreciate the town read, though think it's something I'd do as scum too. No I haven't caught up with the thread. I'm still stuck on the same page. I think it's more important to attend to the here and now, and I'm losing focus again (tis 5am). Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 16:31 Spaghetticus wrote:Slam if you make a decent case on me I'll reconsider lynching you  They all just read to me as town. It's not impossible for this attitude to be a ploy, but the far more likely scenario is that Spag is just not afraid of suspicions at all. Which means town. I also agree with this: Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 01:03 Spaghetticus wrote:On December 11 2013 00:55 Corazon wrote:
Plutarch is Marv because all Marv does is tunnel me whenever we are town together. You should just disregard everything he says about me tbh
HF is confirmation biased and refuses to push anyone else besides me. Play the game
Don't call Artanis scum for being right.
Be less bad please. How do you expect to convince anyone with this garbage? So we should take you word for it that not only are you trustworthy, you are able to discern smurfs at a glance, and you deem that this smurf is marv, and you also deem that Marv tunnels you, that he does so unfairly, and we should therefore disregard it? How can you not see that this is too much to swallow? HF is biased because he thinks you're scummy and doesn't change his vote with the wind? Artanis can't be scum because you agree with him on something? You're either making terrible arguments because you're terrible town, or you're just bullshitting to look like you're doing something. Can someone weigh in on how good Corazon is supposed to be? If he's at all capable at mafia I want him hung. The only worrying part is that there isn't much scumhunting in his filter. The previous post is probably the post closest to scumhunting, although it didn't come to any conclusion. Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 16:28 Spaghetticus wrote:
I'm surprised Plutarch wants to lynch Slam, but I happen to agree so...
Slam is still not talking sense. It looks to me that he's scaled back the persona just enough to give him a fighting chance of wifoming his eminent demise.
I wanted to find someone better to lynch and I wanted Slam to step up, but neither of these things have happened and I am not unhappy with this direction for day one. I was posturing with my pressure vote, but this doesn't rule out me actually voting him. Alakaslam isn't a terrible lynch, but it's definitely the easiest way out of D1. And it's a bit worrying that Spag's only committal to a lynch is someone like him. Spag, if you're town, you need to step up your scumhunting. You mentioned that you had several slight scumreads, but you haven't shared any of them yet (except Corazon, I'd assume). Otherwise you're looking townish, but that's a worrying part about you.
He spent all of this time "defending Spag" and at the same time tells him to play better. He is keeping is options open and is trying to defend Spag without looking like it.
Then he goes from this:
On December 12 2013 05:41 Xatalos wrote:
I really don't like the Spag wagon. It has both Artanis and purple... And neither of them provided any reasoning for voting him.
To this:
On December 12 2013 05:45 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:42 Alakaslam wrote:On December 12 2013 05:41 Xatalos wrote:
I really don't like the Spag wagon. It has both Artanis and purple... And neither of them provided any reasoning for voting him. Bussing exists that's why I linked greyhound. That's true. Since it seems to be between Spag and VA, I agree that Spag is the better choice. ##Unvote
##Vote Spaghetticus
In four minutes. He clearly did not believe that Spag was scum, but he voted for him? Why would you vote for someone that you think is town and that you just defended? Artanis also makes a good point when he says that Xatalos voted with 2 people he thought was scum. His words and actions aren't matching, which points to the fact that he doesn't care who is lynched, as long as it isn't him.
Grackaroni-Grackaroni is someone who has gone under the radar a bit (besides Rayn OMGUSing him). He is in the same boat as Vayne where they haven't contributed to the discussion and they both haven't justified their votes. His first vote on Kush is trolly, his second vote on Rayn is useless because he only thinks Rayn's vote is dumb and doesn't explain why it makes Rayn scum. Then, he starts to tunnel Slam by voting for him until he switches to Vayne:
On December 12 2013 03:24 Grackaroni wrote:
Geez Vayne actually slipped lol. Un-lynchable scum record goodbye I will take pleasure in this.
##Unvote: Alakaslam
##Vote: VayneAuthority
I don't think it prevents Slam from being scum.
The problem is that he never explains why he thinks Slam is scum. He just votes VA but keeps his options open. In my opinion, it is because he wants to hammer Vayne but wants an escape just in case the lynch goes south. All of this along with his lack of contribution make me really suspicious of him.
purpletrator-Purple's play has been ridiculously scummy so far. First off, his scumhunting has been non-existent. He's just shitted up the thread with a whole bunch of nonsense. As said before, his overreaction to LSB's criticism was really suspicious and not very justifiable. Then, there is his justification for his vote:
On December 12 2013 05:39 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 03:50 purpletrator wrote:On December 12 2013 03:48 Plutarch wrote:
can you two drop it please. I could lynch Spag or cora. Cora saying he has notes he could post and then not posting them bothers me. This is where I'm at right now. Heavily swayed by Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 03:39 Plutarch wrote:
I don't think Vsynr contradicting himself like that means he has to be scum. I think it is a null tell.
I was hoping some of those who had not commented yet on spag would step up in my absence, but that hasn't really happened.
I still think Spag is going to flip scum. And I am surprised that rayn unvoted to be honest.
When someone does nothing and does not even try to look for scum despite being active that person is likely to be scum. Even though spag says he always starts slow his previous two town games provide direct counter examples to this.
Then when up against it for the lynch he does not provide reads aside from calling kush town. I don't know about you guys but if I was getting lynched as town then I would be desperate to provide as much information to the thread as possible to work off after I flip.
Did this happen? no. He in fact provided zero info to the thread and then left as soon as thread sentiment changed.
Spag is Scum.
Please lynch spag.
He completely sheeps Plutarch here and basically says "it's Plutarch's fault my vote is on Spag". He is both acknowledging his lack of scumhunting the fact that he is sheeping. He is trying to divert responsibility for the Spag lynch away from him.
From what I have concluded, although Xatalos is the person I would most want to lynch D2, I'm ok with lynching any of these four.
TL;DR
HF-Throws his vote away after tunneling me, why didn't he vote for me, his top scumread?
Xatalos- Stuff I've said before + voted for someone he thought was town
Grack- Lack of contribution, tunneling Slam with no explanation and then switching to Vayne but keeping his options open.
Purple- Lack of contribution + sheeping Plutarch
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On December 13 2013 05:25 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 06:02 Corazon wrote:
If you are town and you are lurking, expect to be under the gun during the game and expect me to not be very nice to you post-game. I will be weighing activity a lot heavier in my voting decision this game than I have in the past. You all are warned. If you are going to take a sieste the entire time and not participate, I am going to be on you until you do so. ...... Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 05:07 Corazon wrote:
I do agree that sidespring needs to contribute more but I do how he explained his vote. His explanation for voting Vayne was a lot better then a lot of other explanations for votes. I'd like to give him a chance.
Wow you really let him have it. U realize he has like 10 posts this game? I find it funny how u rant and rave like a madman @ anyone that calls you scummy. But ur sweet as pumpkin pie to a lurker when you put all lurkers on notice @ the start of the game.
His 10 posts are better than purple's posts. By far.
They're both lurking, but at least sidesprang's vote was decently justified. His posts have not been absolutely terrible. The opposite is with purple.
I love how you yell at me for getting mad at people yet get mad at me when I don't agree with you.
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On December 13 2013 05:38 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 05:31 Corazon wrote:
I love how you yell at me for getting mad at people yet get mad at me when I don't agree with you. How am I mad at you and what are u not agreeing w/ me about?
You would join a sidesprang (I'm sorry I will get your name right eventually) lynch and I want to give him another chance. You are mad at me because I don't agree with you.
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On December 13 2013 05:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:
and FWIW cora, I did like ur scumread post. Some of it mirrors my thoughts.
Yeah when I read your post I was thinking that we were on the same wavelength. I don't think I will have a problem with you if you keep your word and push a Vayne lynch.
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You were persuaded way too easily by Slam. You went from thinking the wagon was bad to joining the wagon just because Slam made a WIFOM statement on the possibility of bussing.
If you didn't think Spag was town, why didn't you push his lynch? Why did you make that big post defending him?
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This is how I feel about Kush
On December 10 2013 15:45 xigxag wrote:
Its somewhat convoluted but the basics are as follows:
1) kush is acting in such a way which reduces his thread power later in the game
2) a potential late game scum player wants some power
3) if kush is scum he is a potential late game scum player
4) kush is not scum playing for the late game
5) kush is not scum playing for the early game
6) nothing kush does benefits him if he is scum
7) kush is town
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I wouldn't say #7 with much confidence but this argument does make sense.
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On December 13 2013 05:49 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 05:45 Corazon wrote:
You were persuaded way too easily by Slam. You went from thinking the wagon was bad to joining the wagon just because Slam made a WIFOM statement on the possibility of bussing.
If you didn't think Spag was town, why didn't you push his lynch? Why did you make that big post defending him?
I've already explained all of this, but clearly you don't read before making cases. That's to be expected though.
At least I can stick to my reads.
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@Xatalos
Your explanation for saying that Spag was town and then proceeding to vote him was "I never thought Spag was town"
Then what was the point of that long post to defend Spag?
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On December 13 2013 05:58 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 05:55 Corazon wrote:
@Xatalos
Your explanation for saying that Spag was town and then proceeding to vote him was "I never thought Spag was town"
Then what was the point of that long post to defend Spag? I had a slight town read on him during earlier D1. Then I realized that he had no scumhunting and tons of useless fluff. I never said I never saw him as townish.
Then why didn't you communicate this opinion? Why didn't you push for his lynch?
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God Holyflare you are really bad at this game.
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On December 13 2013 06:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Welp, lost the doc D1. That sucks. Town doesn't mean he's right though. Can we lynch Xatalos please?
Yes. He is the best lynch still. Voted for his town read and with half of his proposed scum team. Just like you said.
##Vote: Xatalos
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On December 13 2013 06:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
How can corazon be scum? He's pretty much confirmed vig now after his claim and the HF shot. no one else would do that.
Hey look someone reads my posts!
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On December 13 2013 06:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 06:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
How can corazon be scum? He's pretty much confirmed vig now after his claim and the HF shot. no one else would do that. This was my thought as well but I wasn't certain if vigi only had one shot so I didn't want to say it yet. Cora why couldn't you just shoot Xata instead?
Cause HF was more annoying. I mean he called me scum because I made a case an hour and 15 minutes after I said I would post it in an hour. He looked pretty scummy too.
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Wow Vayne. Can you be any more of a dick?
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