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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 09 2013 22:27 GMT
#241
On December 10 2013 07:24 Spaghetticus wrote:
What plan? What would be a brilliant scum move for Xatalos' to try?


I think he means creating confusion/mayhem and distracting discussion. I don't really agree with that though. I think this fast discussion is a decently good start for the game.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 09 2013 22:29 GMT
#242
Btw for those of you who claim that every game I don't have a plan in I'm a scum, here's a plan

Notice this post
On December 10 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
As the OP states "possible roles";

Is every role guaranteed to be in a game?
Can there be more than 1 of any role?
Is the SK guaranteed to be in the game?

Notice the lack of millers. This setup is vulnerable to the follow the DT plan where the DT claims and the medics heal him every night.

Since flips are open, we just need to make sure we don't accidentally lynch our DT and medic and hypothetically speaking we will have a massive advantage later on in this game where follow the DT shines.

Btw DT/Medic plz don't claim. Unless you are about to be lynched.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 09 2013 22:30 GMT
#243
On December 10 2013 07:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 07:24 Xatalos wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:16 Spaghetticus wrote:
Xatalos do you think Artanis' point about you scatter-shotting is a good one? Artanis has a good eye.


Maybe I ought to calm down a bit. However, I'm tired of slow first days. It feels good to get something going fast.

Do you think my pressure on you is indicative of my alignment?


Hard to say. I'd say slightly leaning town based on the fact that you're apparently trying to unravel my alignment. But I think you're a veteran player? How many games have you played? In that sense, it could possibly be almost anything.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
December 09 2013 22:32 GMT
#244
On December 10 2013 07:30 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 07:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:24 Xatalos wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:16 Spaghetticus wrote:
Xatalos do you think Artanis' point about you scatter-shotting is a good one? Artanis has a good eye.


Maybe I ought to calm down a bit. However, I'm tired of slow first days. It feels good to get something going fast.

Do you think my pressure on you is indicative of my alignment?


Hard to say. I'd say slightly leaning town based on the fact that you're apparently trying to unravel my alignment. But I think you're a veteran player? How many games have you played? In that sense, it could possibly be almost anything.

I think I played around 15-20, but I've played since the dinosaur era. Games are in my profile but I'm too lazy to dig it up.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
December 09 2013 22:33 GMT
#245
Oh wait I can just click profile here. 15.
purpletrator
Profile Joined September 2013
Vanuatu64 Posts
December 09 2013 22:33 GMT
#246
On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs

You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Worst post in thread.
##Vote: purpletrator

Kusplain?

Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game

If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote.
Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow.

Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok?

You mean to tell me you have no concern over the erroneous logic LSB used to vote me? You honestly think my response is worse than "smurfs=mafia"?
To actually answer your question, I'm wondering why LSB is wasting my time and wanted to see if he's actually trying to get a response or just trolling. When he ignored my response I chalked it up to 'just trolling'. Then you called me out, he noticed my response and now wants to fish for my identity. Now it looks scummy.
On December 10 2013 07:18 LSB wrote:
Missed this post

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs

You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Ya, sure. Reveal please!

It was a hypothetical. I'm not revealing my identity. Good to know you dont give a shit about the lynch.

##Vote: LSB
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 09 2013 22:36 GMT
#247
Nobody going to discuss cora's mindset or are you going to dismiss it outright for xantos discussion some more?

On December 10 2013 06:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Holy, I don't feel like his response is that different. I also don't think he'd put himself out there so much at the start of the game. No reason to draw attention to yourself like that as scum.

LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 09 2013 22:36 GMT
#248
On December 10 2013 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 07:21 LSB wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:17 LSB wrote:
I think we need to calm down. My "townie on townie day 1 shitstorm" sense is tingling.

That speaking, oddly enough it does encourage a Xatalos lynch

Whom do you feel are townies from this and why? It hasn't really been one on one. It's been HF and Xatalos against Cora, and myself, Alakaslam and you against Xatalos. If you feel it's townie on townie, then you'd think Xatalos was town.

So far I think I am townie, I haven't really thought past that. I just don't think this day 1 attitude is gonna be very productive.

The whole entire Xatalos suspicion does require a meta read on Xatalos to see if he is brilliant enough to try for the plan on day 1, or does he just play like this.

I just skimmed through the filter he linked and I don't think it looks like the start of this game at all. He's far more aggressive here. What were you trying to say exactly with your initial post if you didn't mean to give anyone a town read but yourself? I'm confused. I don't think a plan other than "starting shit" is required for scum. That's always a good thing.

In my opinion natural scum play is to stay low, especially on day 1, the town tends to self destruct anyways day 1. This whole entire "starting shit" strat is actually pretty good, even though it is counterintuitive to the idea of trying to not draw attention. Thus I assumed this strat is not very obvious, especially since I personally never considered it.

This is all pure speculation. Something more grounded is that Xatalos is definably acting very different from before, and in my eyes less of a townie
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 09 2013 22:36 GMT
#249
On December 10 2013 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh wait I can just click profile here. 15.


OK. Well, it's definitely possible that this is a "play" to get town credit. But then again, the more likely scenario is that you're town and trying to figure out the game. Your experience makes the former option more likely, but still less likely than the later option, I'd say.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
purpletrator
Profile Joined September 2013
Vanuatu64 Posts
December 09 2013 22:37 GMT
#250
On December 10 2013 07:29 LSB wrote:
Btw for those of you who claim that every game I don't have a plan in I'm a scum, here's a plan

Notice this post
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
As the OP states "possible roles";

Is every role guaranteed to be in a game?
Can there be more than 1 of any role?
Is the SK guaranteed to be in the game?

Notice the lack of millers. This setup is vulnerable to the follow the DT plan where the DT claims and the medics heal him every night.

Since flips are open, we just need to make sure we don't accidentally lynch our DT and medic and hypothetically speaking we will have a massive advantage later on in this game where follow the DT shines.

Btw DT/Medic plz don't claim. Unless you are about to be lynched.

Jim Raynor (Roleblocker)

-You're not a Zerg, but you sure as hell hate the UED. Or actually you don't, but Kerrigan is a master at pussywhipping, so you just tag along with her shenanigans and think (because you're told to) you hate the UED.

Once per night you can silence a player since you're human looking enough to convince them to put the gun/medicgun/magnifying glass down.

[/plan]
If we lynch a roleblocker we can look at playing follow the cop I guess
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 09 2013 22:38 GMT
#251
On December 10 2013 07:37 purpletrator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 07:29 LSB wrote:
Btw for those of you who claim that every game I don't have a plan in I'm a scum, here's a plan

Notice this post
On December 10 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
As the OP states "possible roles";

Is every role guaranteed to be in a game?
Can there be more than 1 of any role?
Is the SK guaranteed to be in the game?

Notice the lack of millers. This setup is vulnerable to the follow the DT plan where the DT claims and the medics heal him every night.

Since flips are open, we just need to make sure we don't accidentally lynch our DT and medic and hypothetically speaking we will have a massive advantage later on in this game where follow the DT shines.

Btw DT/Medic plz don't claim. Unless you are about to be lynched.

Show nested quote +
Jim Raynor (Roleblocker)

-You're not a Zerg, but you sure as hell hate the UED. Or actually you don't, but Kerrigan is a master at pussywhipping, so you just tag along with her shenanigans and think (because you're told to) you hate the UED.

Once per night you can silence a player since you're human looking enough to convince them to put the gun/medicgun/magnifying glass down.

[/plan]
If we lynch a roleblocker we can look at playing follow the cop I guess

Actually yeah forgot about that. I like purp's plan more
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
December 09 2013 22:42 GMT
#252
On December 10 2013 07:36 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:21 LSB wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:17 LSB wrote:
I think we need to calm down. My "townie on townie day 1 shitstorm" sense is tingling.

That speaking, oddly enough it does encourage a Xatalos lynch

Whom do you feel are townies from this and why? It hasn't really been one on one. It's been HF and Xatalos against Cora, and myself, Alakaslam and you against Xatalos. If you feel it's townie on townie, then you'd think Xatalos was town.

So far I think I am townie, I haven't really thought past that. I just don't think this day 1 attitude is gonna be very productive.

The whole entire Xatalos suspicion does require a meta read on Xatalos to see if he is brilliant enough to try for the plan on day 1, or does he just play like this.

I just skimmed through the filter he linked and I don't think it looks like the start of this game at all. He's far more aggressive here. What were you trying to say exactly with your initial post if you didn't mean to give anyone a town read but yourself? I'm confused. I don't think a plan other than "starting shit" is required for scum. That's always a good thing.

In my opinion natural scum play is to stay low, especially on day 1, the town tends to self destruct anyways day 1. This whole entire "starting shit" strat is actually pretty good, even though it is counterintuitive to the idea of trying to not draw attention. Thus I assumed this strat is not very obvious, especially since I personally never considered it.

This is all pure speculation. Something more grounded is that Xatalos is definably acting very different from before, and in my eyes less of a townie

I don't feel like Xatalos put himself in the spotlight as much as trying to put others in the spotlight. Corazon put himself in the spotlight without any scum gain. When you look at his post from a scum point of view, it doesn't make sense for them to make it. I can see a scum agenda behind Xatalos' posts. That said, I do like his view on my pressure on him in that it was nuanced rather than trying to score town points. The rest of the day should provide more information.
On December 10 2013 07:36 Holyflare wrote:
Nobody going to discuss cora's mindset or are you going to dismiss it outright for xantos discussion some more?

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 06:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Holy, I don't feel like his response is that different. I also don't think he'd put himself out there so much at the start of the game. No reason to draw attention to yourself like that as scum.


Given you quoted me I take it you'd like a response from me? I don't find Corazon scummy at this point in time because he drew attention to himself without any scum benefit.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 09 2013 22:43 GMT
#253
On December 10 2013 07:36 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:21 LSB wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:17 LSB wrote:
I think we need to calm down. My "townie on townie day 1 shitstorm" sense is tingling.

That speaking, oddly enough it does encourage a Xatalos lynch

Whom do you feel are townies from this and why? It hasn't really been one on one. It's been HF and Xatalos against Cora, and myself, Alakaslam and you against Xatalos. If you feel it's townie on townie, then you'd think Xatalos was town.

So far I think I am townie, I haven't really thought past that. I just don't think this day 1 attitude is gonna be very productive.

The whole entire Xatalos suspicion does require a meta read on Xatalos to see if he is brilliant enough to try for the plan on day 1, or does he just play like this.

I just skimmed through the filter he linked and I don't think it looks like the start of this game at all. He's far more aggressive here. What were you trying to say exactly with your initial post if you didn't mean to give anyone a town read but yourself? I'm confused. I don't think a plan other than "starting shit" is required for scum. That's always a good thing.

In my opinion natural scum play is to stay low, especially on day 1, the town tends to self destruct anyways day 1. This whole entire "starting shit" strat is actually pretty good, even though it is counterintuitive to the idea of trying to not draw attention. Thus I assumed this strat is not very obvious, especially since I personally never considered it.

This is all pure speculation. Something more grounded is that Xatalos is definably acting very different from before, and in my eyes less of a townie


Well, that game is special in the sense that it started during night and nights were PM-only within given Houses. I definitely put pressure on gumshoe and Grackaroni during the night, I'd say. And I was relatively aggressive during the first day, as well. Probably not as aggressive as here, I agree.

Do you mean that passive = townish and aggressive/proactive = scummy? Or what? I can't really see myself playing like this as scum. It'd have to be pretty carefully crafted at least.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 09 2013 22:44 GMT
#254
On December 10 2013 07:43 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 07:36 LSB wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:21 LSB wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:17 LSB wrote:
I think we need to calm down. My "townie on townie day 1 shitstorm" sense is tingling.

That speaking, oddly enough it does encourage a Xatalos lynch

Whom do you feel are townies from this and why? It hasn't really been one on one. It's been HF and Xatalos against Cora, and myself, Alakaslam and you against Xatalos. If you feel it's townie on townie, then you'd think Xatalos was town.

So far I think I am townie, I haven't really thought past that. I just don't think this day 1 attitude is gonna be very productive.

The whole entire Xatalos suspicion does require a meta read on Xatalos to see if he is brilliant enough to try for the plan on day 1, or does he just play like this.

I just skimmed through the filter he linked and I don't think it looks like the start of this game at all. He's far more aggressive here. What were you trying to say exactly with your initial post if you didn't mean to give anyone a town read but yourself? I'm confused. I don't think a plan other than "starting shit" is required for scum. That's always a good thing.

In my opinion natural scum play is to stay low, especially on day 1, the town tends to self destruct anyways day 1. This whole entire "starting shit" strat is actually pretty good, even though it is counterintuitive to the idea of trying to not draw attention. Thus I assumed this strat is not very obvious, especially since I personally never considered it.

This is all pure speculation. Something more grounded is that Xatalos is definably acting very different from before, and in my eyes less of a townie


Well, that game is special in the sense that it started during night and nights were PM-only within given Houses. I definitely put pressure on gumshoe and Grackaroni during the night, I'd say. And I was relatively aggressive during the first day, as well. Probably not as aggressive as here, I agree.

Do you mean that passive = townish and aggressive/proactive = scummy? Or what? I can't really see myself playing like this as scum. It'd have to be pretty carefully crafted at least.

Productive = Town. Non-Productive = Scum

Spam excluded because it is special.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 09 2013 22:46 GMT
#255
On December 10 2013 07:44 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 07:43 Xatalos wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:36 LSB wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:21 LSB wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:17 LSB wrote:
I think we need to calm down. My "townie on townie day 1 shitstorm" sense is tingling.

That speaking, oddly enough it does encourage a Xatalos lynch

Whom do you feel are townies from this and why? It hasn't really been one on one. It's been HF and Xatalos against Cora, and myself, Alakaslam and you against Xatalos. If you feel it's townie on townie, then you'd think Xatalos was town.

So far I think I am townie, I haven't really thought past that. I just don't think this day 1 attitude is gonna be very productive.

The whole entire Xatalos suspicion does require a meta read on Xatalos to see if he is brilliant enough to try for the plan on day 1, or does he just play like this.

I just skimmed through the filter he linked and I don't think it looks like the start of this game at all. He's far more aggressive here. What were you trying to say exactly with your initial post if you didn't mean to give anyone a town read but yourself? I'm confused. I don't think a plan other than "starting shit" is required for scum. That's always a good thing.

In my opinion natural scum play is to stay low, especially on day 1, the town tends to self destruct anyways day 1. This whole entire "starting shit" strat is actually pretty good, even though it is counterintuitive to the idea of trying to not draw attention. Thus I assumed this strat is not very obvious, especially since I personally never considered it.

This is all pure speculation. Something more grounded is that Xatalos is definably acting very different from before, and in my eyes less of a townie


Well, that game is special in the sense that it started during night and nights were PM-only within given Houses. I definitely put pressure on gumshoe and Grackaroni during the night, I'd say. And I was relatively aggressive during the first day, as well. Probably not as aggressive as here, I agree.

Do you mean that passive = townish and aggressive/proactive = scummy? Or what? I can't really see myself playing like this as scum. It'd have to be pretty carefully crafted at least.

Productive = Town. Non-Productive = Scum

Spam excluded because it is special.


Do you think my play has been unproductive so far? If yes, why?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 09 2013 22:47 GMT
#256
Meal of Deep Rome:

Don't worry, be happy now! Who is lying on board our great voyage? Why do you seek America?

Do you like ICE?

If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 09 2013 22:50 GMT
#257
SPAGHETTICUS U ARE ROME LATINUS MEAL NO?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 09 2013 22:51 GMT
#258
Spaghetticus, I see you asking a lot of questions. Do you have opinions of your own so far? About me, Corazon, Alakaslam, for example?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 09 2013 22:54 GMT
#259
On December 10 2013 07:51 Xatalos wrote:
Spaghetticus, I see you asking a lot of questions. Do you have opinions of your own so far? About me, Corazon, Alakaslam, for example?

He is too busy chewin' ICE

he is too dainty for fingernailz
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 09 2013 22:56 GMT
#260
just remembered

Please don't ask Aquanim questions until Day 2, he's not here right now.

I'll do my best to be active and will always be here for deadlines
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