PYP: League of Legends Mafia - Page 422

On December 24 2013 13:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright let's see stuff to mention:

Champion picks:
I was pretty fascinated overall with the roles people considered strong or weak. Tryndamere for example was a huge point of contention in the early game because people just sort of assumed that he'd be dealing massive AoE damage to everybody constantly when in reality the damage was miniscule and would be fairly easily trackable. I'm well aware people weren't aware of numbers or how the balancing was done exactly, and there were obfuscating factors (ie 2nd ability) but many people made a lot of early and very correct inferences while others didn't bother and just went with the bare minimum of information they were given.
This brings me to my second point on this topic---whether or not you guys were aware, this game was made to encourage role speculation early on. Again there was a lot of stuff missing but there were clues, and even for the people who didn't/don't play LoL a lot of that info was filled in for you real early by others (and there's Google ). It was probably possible to figure earlier on that each champion had a regular ability and an ultimate, for example. Even if you didn't want to speculate on roles, however, the fact that the revealed champion role info gave you less than 50% of the total info meant that there are certainly other possibilities in the game than those revealed. Some people considered this (where the massclaim was concerned, for example) but completely ignored it when it came to champion selection, instead simply choosing those champions whose revealed abilities seemed pretty decent, when in fact I would argue many of the champion that didn't get chosen or even mentioned could have been way more OP. (And yet two people also vied for Kha'zix, who had NOTHING revealed about his role!) Game strategy purists may argue that it's better to go with what you know and can see than take a risk on something else, but I made this game to be fun, and sometimes taking a risk offers a decent payoff. I certainly didn't expect only 1/3 of the total champions to be considered due to my obfuscation of info---so in the end whether that is my fault in considering what players would find important and/or useful I guess you guys can be the judges of that. The game certainly would have gone much faster and night actions would have been WAY more insane if 1/3 of the playerbase wasn't vanilla.


The Inventor: Won't say much about this because I think it's been said. Koshi was patient with me/the other hosts (but mostly me) at times, and not at others, especially when he was being called terrible by the thread when we really DID change shit up on him. It was a really tough call to make on a lot of these because oftentimes players are only considering what crazy OP shit they can do flat-out break and win the game, and obviously I was not willing to let that happen. This is probably ultimately my mistake as kita mentioned---we essentially assumed the role would have been banned out as scum so we didn't bother writing a lot of the original specfics into the role I had in mind (originally he would have had a list of items to choose from). This meant I had to play a hands-on role to prevent my game from being broken---some could call this bastard hosting I suppose so lesson learned---- but in the end since scum didn't even bother dealing with him most of the time and we couldn't just keep wrecking everything he did for balance purposes eventually the stronger inventions started to win out. I'll blame myself partly for that and partly scum for ignoring what is often the strongest town role in any PYP game for so long.

Balance: right at the outset I assumed scum would lose considering how drafting and picks went. Coordination of a scumteam in PYP games is paramount and it basically didn't happen. A lot of roles I would have figured would e great grabs for scum weren't even talked about or considered. As the modkills went out though, scum morale was boosted and SS and Mocsta really got things going and played a very strong game. I think there was a way too much focus on bussing of teammates in this game however, especially since for 3/4 of the game town weren't even focused on hunting scum or bothering with towncred, they simply fucked around with role speculation and mechanics (which were important in this game obviously, but should never be brought to the forefront ahead of basic scumhunting, as sandroba eventually showed). If I had to run this again I'm not sure how much I would change. We were actually considering a scum 'factional roleblock' at one point simply because something like 20 estimated blue roles (if scum didn't manage to snag a RB role) meant any scumteam would be quickly overwhelmed. I would gladly accept suggestions if people thought there were problems with balance here---overall I'd say it's really tough to say if the game is balanced or not, not only because of all the modkilling, but because the role synergy possibilities and possible KP has drastic potential to swing the game one way or the other.


As far as a PYP LoL 2 as some people mentioned----this game does have the potential to be played again, hell probably multiple times considering the unused roles and easy possibility of creation of new ones. If we were worried about it being easier for town since the mechanics would be largely know we could always throw in some curveballs. The more pressing point is the behaviour and sheer intervention that was forced on me in this game really turned me off of hosting any future games. I won't rant too long about this because I think people know how I feel, but I suppose when people ragequit my game because they're not haivng fun, I can't help but take it personally. Same with a large percentage of the playerbase replacing out. I'm not sure for many of those people if the game wasn't want they wanted or expected, they though it sucked, it was the players they were forced to play with or a combination of all three, but since this game had the largest number of modkills/replacement I can think of in recent times, again I can't help but think something about my game must have been a factor. I'm glad there were people who enjoyed themselves despite the atmosphere at times and the modkillings, and appreciate all those who kept their cool and played it out, even under adversity. To sum this up, maybe my expectations of this game or of the people in it were a little too high? I don't know. In any case the amount of stress and upset it caused me at times made me feel like it wasn't worth the amount of time I spent on it. Behaviour and playstyle stuff has been discussed to death in other threads so I'll only talk about me. As far as I can tell, I won't want to be hosting/creating any other games for TL because I'll always have grand designs and I'll always be upset if they don't live up to my expectations.

If people were truly interested in a LoL 2, I'd basically have to ensure ahead of time that the people playing it would be those who specifically requested it and would enjoy it and I doubt there is any way to guarantee that. Even then it would be a very long time before it makes it to the forefront of the queue---I just don' see it happening.

I welcome any further discussion or questions.