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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On December 06 2013 12:00 austinmcc wrote: I still have rayn town. I have JAT town still. I have Odin town. MZ still looks scummy to me. He's dropped in a time or two, but only to focus on jabbing at Koshi despite saying Koshi was not gonna get lynched, and now to poke at me just a lil'. Rean looks stranger, because he finally has a read, but it's just me, and he's never ever ever ever ever justified it one bit. Yet now with other votes on me, he just posts about me all day urrday and it's cool. I'd like to see him talk about some other folks. Everyone else would like to see him talk about some other folks. So, he should do that. I did not take any damage beyond the damage from Rean last night. Why is odin town, have you seen my case on him? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On December 06 2013 11:54 JonnyLaw wrote: All right. First I'll discuss mocsta hanging on my balls so hard all game that they're dragging on the ground then get into my other scum reads. I agreed early in the game that Mocsta's lurking is not helping the game. He didn't like that at all. As soon as the opportunity came Mocsta latches onto me when Sandro jumps on me. Fine, Sandro makes good cases and got bum lynched. Mocsta thinks my reason for doubting the bum lynch (he called me clearly town when had no reason to not lynch me if he's scum) is a reason to lynch me. Mocsta then jumps on the Bum wagon with the exact same logic. We can't have it both ways can we? Later Prome comes into the thread and calls me scum. Since that point Mocsta's had an obsession with lynching me. Prome dies after that and becomes a convenient martyr. I'd like to finish this point by saying <> =/ [] on tl. <> is not how you bold words on TL. That issue pops up three times in the Mocsta filter. Actually that looks like a decent face to use while gaming. Exasperated maybe? + Show Spoiler + I still think LSB is scummy. I don't know how to link to a particular post so here you go. On December 05 2013 08:03 JonnyLaw wrote: Prome your case on me cannot ignore that early game league discussion. I was discussing with Bum the best champs to pick and ban because I thought it could help us win the game. I started this game trying to see how people play. I quickly realized that with a list of 30 players a lot of which already know each other from previous games this is difficult. Take for example when I "called kush a weird dude" I was quickly jumped on by people saying that's how kush should be playing. He came into the thread threw out a couple reads and then posts one liners the rest of the game. That seems suspicious to me. If that's how he plays then fine. LSB's play this entire game leaves me suspicious of him. I know this has been discussed but bear with me here. After making this post LSB conveniently sticks to his plan of how town would play to the point of fanatacism and derailing the thread. He posts that list four times with most of his other posts only explaining why he wants to mass claim. Yeah, we get it. You made a plan and you're gonna ride that plan into the sunset. Again he mentions his SK play so it's fresh on his mind. What better defensive ability than Tryndamere's ultimate. He mentioned having a defensive ability earlier. It's been mentioned before but trynd's ultimate grants him immunity from death for a certain period of time. He's just lying here about calling bum sk. I think it was Sandroba who said that Bum came into the game much too formulaic. In four pages of filter every post LSB has made is either about claims, the champion list or policy lynching bum. Is there anything more formulaic than that? I don't think that has to be true. It's easy to use LSB's logic for picking tryndamere as scum. Eh...he's not a strong town role maybe he'll be around for me to pick it up. I don't trust LSB at all. Would lynch. Why do Rean, Onegu, Coag, Kenpachi and Gtrsr all get byes for lurking? This post is getting too long. I'll follow it up with the rest of my thoughts shortly. Gtrs gets by saying nothing of relevance for some reason. He came in and made a terrible post about soniv and talks about champions. I would lynch him as well. On d1 I was giving him the benefit of the doubt that he'd contribute but no longer. I think he's trying to slide under our radar by claiming to give us information which we can get from a quick google search or the OP if you click a link to the champ wiki. Gtr's been following Bum's soniv lynch all game and I doubt he's read much else. The claim of I'm right and helping town if you follow my lead is bull shit. i don't buy the case on austin. I think sandro's town as well. This is a key selling point in Sandro's case. Austin thinks bum and sandro are town is not enough reason to lynch him. I don't like Risen either. He's inactive and when he posts it adds nothing to the game. I dont care about your beer pong tournament. Is this another meta read like kush and chezinu? Geript you're just calling me a bad player. Not scummy. I'm not bad and stand by my reasoning. I think abilities that affect the entire game have dire consequences. That's why I went from amumu to nocturne. I stopped reading after the spoiler. Rayn.. how does this post come from town. (since you can follow his thought processes supposedly) (1) Look how he refers to me and tries to shit on me but doesnt call me scum. In fact he finishes off by wanting to lynch LSB --> *THATS* about as scummy as you can get. (2) I was advocating a JL lynch way before Prome came about -- I asked Prome to read JL. Thats a very scummy manipulation of the what happened to push his discredit agenda. (3) He is still avoiding talking about his main (? former ?) scum candidate Kush.. where'd that materialise to? Now its LSB.. lol I'm all ears. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
I called out Kush, got shit on by a couple people because that's how he plays. I didn't realize people intentionally play like shit and post one liners that don't help town at all. That was my original complaint about rayn. Now he gets praised for having the largest filter in the game. LSB is a good lynch because he contributes nothing to the game. I will vote you as well just like I said. You're wagoning whatever is easy. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
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Mid or Feed
Korea (South)250 Posts
supersoft (1): Rean (0): JonnyLaw (1): austinmcc (7): Rean, sandroba, Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes OdinOfPergo (1): Onegu Koshi (1): Chezinu kushm4sta (1): LSB ticklishmusic (0): jcarlsoniv (1): Risen Chezinu (1): ticklishmusic Modkill zone (13): all the single players all the single players all the single players all the single players all the single players all the single players all the single players now put your hands up austinmcc is currently set to be lynched. Voting thread is here. Please make sure all of your votes go in there, they don't count otherwise. Voting is mandatory. Day 2 ends in | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
k let's see this lsb case against me. Lack of aggression: I have been pretty aggressive in spots this game actually. Random change in tone: this makes me scum why? just means im high as fuck pretty much sycophantic nature towards rayne: actually last game i learned I do love massive rayne cases even if I dont agree with them, because he does a very good job putting in the work and compiling the important shit for you to look at. Very helpful for people like me who dont read the most of the game. All the people who play with me a lot seem to think im town so maybe you should listen to them? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On December 06 2013 12:14 JonnyLaw wrote: JonnyLaw,I've talked about Kush all that I want to. Do you even read my filter? I called out Kush, got shit on by a couple people because that's how he plays. I didn't realize people intentionally play like shit and post one liners that don't help town at all. That was my original complaint about rayn. Now he gets praised for having the largest filter in the game. LSB is a good lynch because he contributes nothing to the game. I will vote you as well just like I said. You're wagoning whatever is easy. I'm going to choose my words carefully, after all there is no need to convince scum that they are scum. (1) You are running a discredit campaign on me by twisting easy to prove facts. This *is* scummy (2) How are you an easy bandwagon, when experienced players like Sandroba/Rayn don't agree with the strength of my read. This is more discredit attempts (3) If you did call me scum, you went about it in the most wishy-washy softly-spoken way possible, and that *is* scummy too. All you say is you *could* lynch me. Who are you *GOING* to lynch. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 06 2013 12:10 Onegu wrote: He's got substantive posts on the pick/ban discussion. Wants to ban Graves and Yorick, unsure on who the third should be, specifically chooses out a couple champs and decides between them, with reasoning.Why is odin town, have you seen my case on him? Participating in non-ban stuff early. Reads on VE, Marv, asking about people's reads on rayn. But mainly, it's this post - On December 03 2013 12:07 OdinOfPergo wrote: LSB calls Bum mafia because Bum said he was going to pick trynd and didn't. This makes no sense. Why does mafia bum do that? Why might town bum do that? Why does THIS lie make bum mafia?You are 100% sure Bum is scum because he said he was going to pick trynd.... and didn't? JAT and odin both asked LSB about that. I had them both very very townie because of it. Ta da! Another one post townread, brought to you by austinmcc. As far as your case, his reasoning for not voting is BUTTLICIOUS. Not in a good-tasting-butt way, but in a THAT TASTES LIKE BAD BUTT way. But...it's right in your face. What mafia says I AM NOT GOING TO VOTE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM BUT YOU ARE GOING TO BE LYNCHED? If someone doesn't want to be on the bum lynch, fine, but they don't SAY they find him scummy and aren't voting cuz he's lynched anyway. They don't SAY "I hereby throw my vote away despite thinking that dude is scum." Your case is based....almost entirely off of his votes. I think that: (1) his pre-day 1 play looks townie; (2) he asked a question that comes from a townie; and (3) ain't no mafia say that voting stuff he said. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On December 06 2013 12:14 OdinOfPergo wrote: Ok please Onegu, I'm trying to be productive this game and I really wanted to finish my initial scum read filters before I did you but since I already said I was around and your going to put heat on me again *(If I'm your scum read PLS do put heat on me, but the fact I said I'd be around for a while and wanted to focus on adding content, which you don't seem to care about seeing at all...) I'm going to go ahead and filter you and respond to your case asap. Give me 20 minutes. I was asking austin a question. And yes I have a scum read on you, I want others thoughts on you to refine my read. It seemed like you were content to ignore me then when I ask people thier thoughts you hurry to drop everything to respond to me. | ||
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On December 06 2013 11:53 austinmcc wrote: Yes. He talks about bans. But all he does is say "the anti-town champs are anti-town." Apparently Janna became a topic. No comment on Janna. There were people who had whole number picking schemes. No comment on them. People had lists of champs, who goes high, who goes mid tier, etc. etc. No comment on them. He has a bunch of comments on the bans, but EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is "anti-town champs should be banned, because they are bad for town." Let alone that he says KP roles are no good for mafia, and that ALL investigations "might as well be useless" if graves is in the game. Kush is seeing things. The ban discussion isn't really discussion at all; it's ban tautology. 1. See a theme here? I was around earlier and then disappeared for a while. I WONDER WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED. 2. I was pointing out the champs that serve no purpose to town, only mafia. Don't try and simplify what I said to make me look useless. 3. I already told you that you didn't interpret that correctly. If you bothered to read my damn filter you'd know this. Goes towards showing how much attention you pay. And what I said is certainly true, with Graves ingame checks become a massive WIFOM paradise. srs. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 06 2013 12:20 kushm4sta wrote: Yeah, I know that. But I mostly agree with rayn on that.@austin about the ban thing, I doubt discussing bans makes you town. That post was more about a contradiction in RAYNE's thinking. Rayne was the one who said discussing bans in an automatic clear. However. Look at dem posts. Stare into their souls. Deep deep deep into their souls. Now. WHO IS THE ONION? Also, do those posts really look like discussing bans? I know rayn says discussing bans = automatic clear. Do Rean's posts, if you look at em and digest em, actually look like he's discussing bans? Discussing being a key word. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 06 2013 12:24 Rean wrote: Almost EVERY game that has DTs in it has godfather/framer/both/whatever. There are VERY VERY VERY few games where you have investigative roles and NO way to mess with checks. The fact that ONE role can mess with a single target each night does not make checks a massive WIFOM paradise or mostly useless. 1. See a theme here? I was around earlier and then disappeared for a while. I WONDER WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED. 2. I was pointing out the champs that serve no purpose to town, only mafia. Don't try and simplify what I said to make me look useless. 3. I already told you that you didn't interpret that correctly. If you bothered to read my damn filter you'd know this. Goes towards showing how much attention you pay. And what I said is certainly true, with Graves ingame checks become a massive WIFOM paradise. srs. Do you think that you needed to point out champs that serve no purpose to town, only mafia? Did anyone ever disagree and say those champs have town purposes? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On December 06 2013 12:00 JonnyLaw wrote: Abilities and Resolution HP is the ONLY notification you will be receiving unless otherwise specified; players are not informed if their abilities landed, if they are roleblocked, healed/shielded/hit with KP/etc. You will be informed if an ability is refunded to you for whatever reason. Unless otherwise stated in your role PM, you may only use one ability per phase. There are multiple ability ‘types’ in this game and they will be listed here for reference in order of resolution (if necessary): Untargetable Redirects Roleblocks Time delay Items/traps KP/shields/deaths Heals Signup list switches/checks hmm, so what doesnt make sense to me then is why koshi took 50 dmg Untargetable Redirects Roleblocks Time delay Items/traps KP/shields/deaths <- 50 damage Heals Signup list switches/checks <- Chez right? | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
Does my game so far this time feel like that to you (Or anyone else)? | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
#1) Who other than basically solely Rayn scum hunted Day 0? This statement is calling me scum for doing the same thing 30/31 players are doing. Do you honestly me expect me to be able to find scum based on 90% of the post during this phase concerning someone specific knowledge on Lol? #2) Your first quote about my LSB vote. Mmk, and if you read my meta... out of every single mafia game I've been in, regardless of alignment, I'm hard pressed for time. How does this make me scum? #3) You skip the rest of my post here. The fact I don't hard push for a different read I acknowledge as being questionable. I also gave a reason in the thread to as why I wasn't doing it. Yes, per Bum's filter I found him as possible scum. I mention that as I had re-read it I was skeptical that he was confirmed scum. So what's wrong with me putting my vote on the only counter wagon that I could get behind at the time? Also was it not obvious that Bum (With like 12-13 votes and LSB, the runner up, was not gaining anyvotes per Sandro's arguement) was going to indeed go through D1? Read my filter. You obviously glanced over it, why are you omitting so much? #4) How was my Kush case bad? Do people honestly believe that? I thought my train of thought was pretty obvious. The only reason I gave it up without a hard push was because my town reads at the time told me to drop it. The main reasoning for dropping it was meta related iirc. What is wrong with me trying to get Kush games to meta read off of? I mention I didn't have time THAT NIGHT to read them. .. . ... Re previous comment that is in this post. Your extra observations. #1) I didn't want to ban talon. K, so you're saying every game that has a scum God-father in it is a insta town loss? I don't believe you at all. I banned my priority bans. Talon wasn't one of them. So what? #2) What's wrong with me adjusting my stance when I think about something? What's wrong with me changing my read on the subject per more than 3/4'th of the thread hasn't actually gone into this plan yet. I say exactly what I meant there. I'm not disagreeing with the plan, just saying unless people get onboard the only thing it is accomplishing is outing roles for mafia to target. This makes me scum.... how? You're next post after that is verifying my point I just made. These post are a train of thought but you're trying to break them up. I don't understand why you are doing it. The fact I was just shooting my thoughts into the thread when they popped into my mind, and you are trying to twist it into a scum read is mind boggling. Your last quote against me. I'm scum for posting a update on my feelings on a player at the time makes me scum? Over-all you're entire case I feel is a bunch of WIFOM and just trying to frame me to look bad. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
On December 06 2013 12:21 Mocsta wrote: JonnyLaw, I'm going to choose my words carefully, after all there is no need to convince scum that they are scum. (1) You are running a discredit campaign on me by twisting easy to prove facts. This *is* scummy (2) How are you an easy bandwagon, when experienced players like Sandroba/Rayn don't agree with the strength of my read. This is more discredit attempts (3) If you did call me scum, you went about it in the most wishy-washy softly-spoken way possible, and that *is* scummy too. All you say is you *could* lynch me. Who are you *GOING* to lynch. First of all who's getting lynched is not my call. I have a vote. You think my vote is the most influential in the game? I don't. I got shit on d1 for thinking I know something about tl mafia. As I said I'll happily lynch you. You pegged me scum, jumped to bum when convenient then came back at me once bum was town and prome joined the game. I said bum might be town because his post saying im town makes no sense if he's scum. He could ride the LSB bandwagon till the end. You call me scum for that logic then post the same logic for why I am scum. You can't have it both ways. | ||
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