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On December 06 2013 11:37 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 11:08 geript wrote:On December 06 2013 11:05 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I gave it to rayn because he had announced he would protect Koshi so we could get an item out. So, I protected rayn so he didn't get role blocked. Working from the "town benefits from having our inventor make things for us" perspective, it seems like a logical course of action. I really don't buy this explanation. To clarify, if you were concerned with protecting the role of (Koshi) a player who had done nothing to confirm his towniness at that point then you could've just given the lantern to Koshi. Second, players > roles; by giving the lantern to Marv you protect 2/3 players assuming they're all town and reveal scum in the case of either Koshi/Rayn. Third, I think the whole super inventor plan is an exceptionally pro-scum plan because at best things start working on D3 or d4 at the earliest limiting action analysis for 1-2 days instead of starting it right at D2. I could go on but I have a lot left to do at work and I have 2 tests which I didn't study for this past weekend because of have laryngitis.
As I sad, rayn had announced that he was protecting koshi. So instead of letting him be targeted, I wanted to pull him away from there. They could have role blocked or killed him, he wasn't secretive about his role.
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So it comes back to wtf..
At least 3 abilities hit Koshi
<1> Unknown
<2> Chezinu - watcher
<3> 50KP -- which I assume is a VT based on the Power values others have proposed.
Why would a VT want to hit Koshi?
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Geript, ask anyone who has played more than 5 games with him. You can read him.
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Mocsta, whats the point of the speculation? There is no point. Stop it.
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On December 06 2013 11:44 Mocsta wrote:
So it comes back to wtf..
At least 3 abilities hit Koshi
<1> Unknown
<2> Chezinu - watcher
<3> 50KP -- which I assume is a VT based on the Power values others have proposed.
Why would a VT want to hit Koshi?
Iunno, but its possible the VT was a scum who just didn't get his pick. Throwing VT skills to be blocked just eats away at the shield instead of wasting, say, a 1000 one-time nuke on it.
Man I am proud of myself for figuring out Chez's role. I'll leave my vote cuz I'm lazy unless I find a real person to vote for.
/smug
And Chez's ult may have inadvertendtly also burned a use of the shield, awks :<
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THIS WAS THE BEST POST OF THE LAST WHATEVER HOURS AND EVERYONE MISSED ITOn December 05 2013 09:34 geript wrote:
That obv can make Lylo/mylo up recognizable points. I wanted to go for ezreal but I figured she'd go high. It might not have even been intentional. But seriously, you guys need to lighten up.
On December 05 2013 05:15 Promethelax wrote:
marv, austin and Rayn please comment on the validity of town reading Ticklish and Jay off of the fact that they forgot to send in picks during the number phase. I believe this is a valid heuristic and would like input on the subject Prome is dead, but I think it's of limited use. For those that post but didn't submit, yes, you'd expect them to be in scum QT if they were scum and to check in and pick numbers, etc. etc. If they only posted during a small window or two of the day though, early on, then it's null because someone could have been around before picks really hammered out in QT, and therefore it's not an alignment thing. It only applies if the person would have been checking QT when strat was being laid out.
On December 05 2013 02:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 02:29 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi just wrote in succinct form something pretty similar to what I thought and said there.
Whatever this frustration you have with Koshi is, I'm finding it quite bizarre the way you're going about it. I can't justify lynching him because he's the inventor and as long as there's a chance he's town he's valuable.His flat out refusal to do anything at all combined with his "fuck you guys" attitude towards the town whenever we ask for something useful is just pissing me off. He knows he won't be lynched so he's using it as a free pass to do nothing. I'm gonna take a break for a while. Hey hey hey hey hey. Did people read this post? MZ basically rightfully says that town isn't going to lynch the inventor. Also, someone should probably check him somehow. Wink wink VE.
However, what has MZ done in the last like...48ish hours? Oh right. He spent most of it poking at Koshi. He poked at Koshi for a while AFTER posting this. MZ's thought process:- Koshi looks screwy, maybe mafia
- We are not going to lynch Koshi, regardless
- I am going to continue to just snipe at Koshi, because that is useful given that we are not going to lynch him
Didn't like. Don't like. MZ gets a bunch of posts and activity out of attacking someone that he specifically, and rightfully, says isn't going to get lynched. But that's his focus.
I didn't like this post of marv's because of the above:On December 05 2013 02:54 marvellosity wrote:
Ok, there definitely exists the possibility that you are a townie who is oddly tunnelled on Koshi and you're confirmation biasing yourself negatively on everything he says. Not sure there's anything more to say about this in particular for now. (This post was to MZ from marv). It was CLEAR that MZ was tunnelled in on Koshi. And normally, MZ might be townie for tunnelling in and just reading everything in a negative light. But again, MZ recognizes that Koshi won't get lynched.
So why tunnel in on someone and focus all your effort on someone who isn't going to get lynched, and, because of the reason for the not-lynching, isn't going to get shot/killed by town? The only way town kills Koshi is if town gets proof of a mafia-favored invention, a trustable red check, etc. etc. It's ALL wasted effort. Boo MZ.
Boo kush too!
On December 05 2013 07:28 kushm4sta wrote:
actually nvm i read rean's filter and he's probably town.
rayne you would say he is town right? expressing opinion on bans.
His posts are honest for his current knowledge of the game and activity level. On December 05 2013 21:58 kushm4sta wrote:
raynpeeonmyface
i have a question for you.
I thought your super solid towntell was that if you debated early game about bans and shit, that automatically made you town.
Ream did that. So....? Here are Rean's pick/ban/numberpickin' discussions. All of em
+ Show Spoiler +On November 30 2013 12:26 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 12:19 supersoft wrote:
My draftnumbers will be 1 and 30. I want a hero with KP... Or some kind of protection lol.
I dare you to take my numbers.
If no other townie picks my numbers, i'll either be firstpick, or if some scummer "sacrifices" himself on my numbers, we will both be lastpick.
Can we somehow organize this? I mean next one could be Mig with 2 and 30, then BC 3 and 30, then sandroba 4 and 30 etc.
Does that make sense? Technically I suppose you could, numbers are made public I believe. But good luck getting people to agree it. ##Vote: GravesHis ability serves no purpose to town at all. Is it encouraged to roleplay as the player we were assigned? On November 30 2013 13:05 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 12:58 OdinOfPergo wrote:On November 30 2013 12:51 Rean wrote:On November 30 2013 12:48 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I actually don't think we should ban champs like Talon.
Yes they might be nice for mafia early on in the game by denying early checks...
But really... if you're playing a scum agenda... you're going to get busted for it.
The same way a Godfather gets busted for it.
It's 100% the same principle. You're aware that there's no way for us to known that those champs would be picked so we can't just bust them for it? Yes. But think of a un-themed game. You are not notified that a God father, Roleblocker, etc. is in the game... However you come to realize the fact before all to long usually ye? I mean I could be wrong but my gut instinct is to ban champs like Ahri, Amumu, Blitz, etc. Champs that could change the order that towns actions hit. Champs that could reduce the # of votes (IE specifically Amumu) on a scum vs town Lynch wagon could potentially be catastrophic. Feel free to discuss. We do have 23 hours.. I get your point yeah, but it's the choice between roles that could be useful for both town and scum and roles that only benefit scum here since we only get three bans, so it seems to me it's better to eliminate champs that will never be useful for town (IMO, Graves + Talon + Yorick) On November 30 2013 13:10 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 13:05 Rean wrote:On November 30 2013 12:58 OdinOfPergo wrote:On November 30 2013 12:51 Rean wrote:On November 30 2013 12:48 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I actually don't think we should ban champs like Talon.
Yes they might be nice for mafia early on in the game by denying early checks...
But really... if you're playing a scum agenda... you're going to get busted for it.
The same way a Godfather gets busted for it.
It's 100% the same principle. You're aware that there's no way for us to known that those champs would be picked so we can't just bust them for it? Yes. But think of a un-themed game. You are not notified that a God father, Roleblocker, etc. is in the game... However you come to realize the fact before all to long usually ye? I mean I could be wrong but my gut instinct is to ban champs like Ahri, Amumu, Blitz, etc. Champs that could change the order that towns actions hit. Champs that could reduce the # of votes (IE specifically Amumu) on a scum vs town Lynch wagon could potentially be catastrophic. Feel free to discuss. We do have 23 hours.. I get your point yeah, but it's the choice between roles that could be useful for both town and scum and roles that only benefit scum here since we only get three bans, so it seems to me it's better to eliminate champs that will never be useful for town (IMO, Graves + Talon + Yorick) Add Amumu to that list aswell, will almost never be good for town. On November 30 2013 13:41 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 13:16 sandroba wrote:
And btw, I think graves is a pretty efficient ban too. Sure there are a few heroes that hide scum's alignment but graves is unique because as far as i can tell he is the only hero that can make a townie return red to a check, on top of hiding scum's alignment. If he is out of the game a red check means scum for certain. In a game like this with hidden abilities and so many different roles checks are very, very unreliable. Eliminating Graves in this case won't change it that much, but it's a good start. Although, thinking about it, maybe Amumu is a better vote than Graves due to how unreliable checks will be in general. On November 30 2013 14:58 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 14:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
Rereading abilities I think Karthus should be ban priority.
That's a huge blow to us if karthus channels an ult on strong town players. Similarly to others, it's nasty but can still be used in a town way. Champs like Yorick/Amumu/Talon/Graves are scarier IMO. Also, ##Unvote
##Vote: Yorick
When thinking about it a little more, he's more dangerous to town than Graves is. On December 01 2013 05:42 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 05:25 geript wrote:
@Rayn. Graves is a bad ban choice. Scum banning cops will be irrelevant of whether Graves will be available. At best, Graves is a role which a low draft scum may pick up because town are highly unlikely to take it. That's not worth a ban. Banning a powerful KP ability to deny it from scum is better. If we don't ban Graves all investigations might aswell be useless because they could just be framed. KP roles are not good in the hands of scum either but there's more important bans to be made (Graves/Yorick)
Yes. He talks about bans. But all he does is say "the anti-town champs are anti-town." Apparently Janna became a topic. No comment on Janna. There were people who had whole number picking schemes. No comment on them. People had lists of champs, who goes high, who goes mid tier, etc. etc. No comment on them.
He has a bunch of comments on the bans, but EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is "anti-town champs should be banned, because they are bad for town."
Let alone that he says KP roles are no good for mafia, and that ALL investigations "might as well be useless" if graves is in the game. Kush is seeing things. The ban discussion isn't really discussion at all; it's ban tautology.
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All right. First I'll discuss mocsta hanging on my balls so hard all game that they're dragging on the ground then get into my other scum reads.
I agreed early in the game that Mocsta's lurking is not helping the game. He didn't like that at all. As soon as the opportunity came Mocsta latches onto me when Sandro jumps on me. Fine, Sandro makes good cases and got bum lynched. Mocsta thinks my reason for doubting the bum lynch (he called me clearly town when had no reason to not lynch me if he's scum) is a reason to lynch me. Mocsta then jumps on the Bum wagon with the exact same logic. We can't have it both ways can we?
Later Prome comes into the thread and calls me scum. Since that point Mocsta's had an obsession with lynching me. Prome dies after that and becomes a convenient martyr. I'd like to finish this point by saying <> =/ [] on tl. <> is not how you bold words on TL. That issue pops up three times in the Mocsta filter.
Actually that looks like a decent face to use while gaming. Exasperated maybe?
+ Show Spoiler +I still think LSB is scummy. I don't know how to link to a particular post so here you go. On December 05 2013 08:03 JonnyLaw wrote:Prome your case on me cannot ignore that early game league discussion. I was discussing with Bum the best champs to pick and ban because I thought it could help us win the game. I started this game trying to see how people play. I quickly realized that with a list of 30 players a lot of which already know each other from previous games this is difficult. Take for example when I "called kush a weird dude" I was quickly jumped on by people saying that's how kush should be playing. He came into the thread threw out a couple reads and then posts one liners the rest of the game. That seems suspicious to me. If that's how he plays then fine. LSB's play this entire game leaves me suspicious of him. I know this has been discussed but bear with me here. Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 03:56 LSB wrote:
Lastly I'm going to policy vote Bum for not following through with what he was pushing. Just for a point of reference in PYP2 (i think), I was SK and I pushed heavily a plan, and I deviated from it as a way to attempt to make sure I was invincible.
##Vote: Bumatlarge After making this post LSB conveniently sticks to his plan of how town would play to the point of fanatacism and derailing the thread. He posts that list four times with most of his other posts only explaining why he wants to mass claim. Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 08:38 LSB wrote:
I am not going to respond to accusations from people who have A) Not roleclaimed or B) Have not provided a good reason for not roleclaiming due to their role.
I will respond to questions about roleclaiming.
Yeah, we get it. You made a plan and you're gonna ride that plan into the sunset. Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 11:36 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 10:48 bumatlarge wrote:
BLAH BLAH BLAH POLICY LYNCH ME ^Paraphrased. Honestly Bumatlarge is following the basic plan I used as SK from PYP3, first get an idea of where everyone is who can kill you and try to grab an ability that will make it so you cant get killed by mafia, while all the time trying to convince everyone that I have a different ability. "This would have been better for town" was the exact same reasoning I used to try to convince town I wasn't SK in PYP3. I'm sticking to my policy lynch plan. I'm thinking Bumatlarge is SK and grabbed a defensive role as a way to make sure he stays alive. I'm going to pin him as "not town". Deviation from your own plan is pretty scummy since a plan requires as much players to follow it as possible. Again he mentions his SK play so it's fresh on his mind. What better defensive ability than Tryndamere's ultimate. He mentioned having a defensive ability earlier. It's been mentioned before but trynd's ultimate grants him immunity from death for a certain period of time. Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 11:55 LSB wrote:
Never said anything about SK, just said not town. Good enough for me to try to drop da hammer. My night action is gonna be to move 3 up. Though unless some friendly helper would like to give me more KP, it's gonna be more like a feather than a hammer He's just lying here about calling bum sk. I think it was Sandroba who said that Bum came into the game much too formulaic. In four pages of filter every post LSB has made is either about claims, the champion list or policy lynching bum. Is there anything more formulaic than that? Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 03:57 sandroba wrote:
People voting LSB here is what I think:
It is only possible LSB is scum if bum is scum.
If Bum is town and LSB is scum, LSB wouldn't have taken trynn, because his team would have told him not to do so since Bum was probably going to take it.
If Bum is scum and LSB is scum, he could have dropped it to LSB, but I don't think that's the most likely scenario.
If Bum is scum and LSB is town and just replaced in and didn't read bum's plans he could have went for tryn. This seems likely to me because LSB only noticed Bum didn't follow his own plan after BC called out bum on it.
The other scenario is bum and lsb are town, which is also possible.
But the base line is, if you think LSB is scum vote Bum first. I bet you any amount you want that if LSB was scum and just replaced in he would have consulted with his team before picking something and they would have told him Bum was planning on picking trynn. I don't think that has to be true. It's easy to use LSB's logic for picking tryndamere as scum. Eh...he's not a strong town role maybe he'll be around for me to pick it up. I don't trust LSB at all. Would lynch. Why do Rean, Onegu, Coag, Kenpachi and Gtrsr all get byes for lurking?This post is getting too long. I'll follow it up with the rest of my thoughts shortly.
Gtrs gets by saying nothing of relevance for some reason. He came in and made a terrible post about soniv and talks about champions. I would lynch him as well. On d1 I was giving him the benefit of the doubt that he'd contribute but no longer. I think he's trying to slide under our radar by claiming to give us information which we can get from a quick google search or the OP if you click a link to the champ wiki. Gtr's been following Bum's soniv lynch all game and I doubt he's read much else. The claim of I'm right and helping town if you follow my lead is bull shit.
i don't buy the case on austin. I think sandro's town as well. This is a key selling point in Sandro's case. Austin thinks bum and sandro are town is not enough reason to lynch him.
I don't like Risen either. He's inactive and when he posts it adds nothing to the game. I dont care about your beer pong tournament. Is this another meta read like kush and chezinu?
Geript you're just calling me a bad player. Not scummy. I'm not bad and stand by my reasoning. I think abilities that affect the entire game have dire consequences. That's why I went from amumu to nocturne.
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Oh yeah, I'm here for a while ask away if you have questions.
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On December 06 2013 11:51 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 11:44 Mocsta wrote:
So it comes back to wtf..
At least 3 abilities hit Koshi
<1> Unknown
<2> Chezinu - watcher
<3> 50KP -- which I assume is a VT based on the Power values others have proposed.
Why would a VT want to hit Koshi? Iunno, but its possible the VT was a scum who just didn't get his pick. Throwing VT skills to be blocked just eats away at the shield instead of wasting, say, a 1000 one-time nuke on it. Man I am proud of myself for figuring out Chez's role. I'll leave my vote cuz I'm lazy unless I find a real person to vote for. /smug And Chez's ult may have inadvertendtly also burned a use of the shield, awks :<
Oh shit accidental edit my bad. Meant to ebwodp but oops.
And for another ACTUAL ebwodp,
how do mods choose priority for night actions done to a player?
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Anyway, sandro.
I'm never this absent as town, true. I'm also never THIS absent as mafia. When I get going, I'm spammy as both alignments, and I don't LIKE playing lurky mafia even when I have for a couple days.
As far as my townreads being based on very little, check my last couple games. LXIII and Thug Life. Now, LXIII is ongoing and I ain't dead so you don't know my alignment (except if you read the game you will). I call MULTIPLE people in Thug Life town based on a post or two (and I think all of them flip town, ShiaoPi, FirmTofu, Oats). I call some people in LXIII town based on single little things. I have people I would LOVE to be mafia, but don't vote them because they've got a single post or two that just can't be mafia. Recently, I have had very very very good success rate at finding posts that can only come from townies, so I'm going with it.
See my Kurumi read this game. Now, you dont' know my alignment, but I said Kurumi was very very likely town cuz of the one comment, and Kurumi was town. Not worth jack til postgame/next game, but it's not uncommong for me to call people town off single posts, and it's been WORKING and RIGHT for the last couple games.
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On December 06 2013 11:56 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 11:51 ticklishmusic wrote:On December 06 2013 11:44 Mocsta wrote:
So it comes back to wtf..
At least 3 abilities hit Koshi
<1> Unknown
<2> Chezinu - watcher
<3> 50KP -- which I assume is a VT based on the Power values others have proposed.
Why would a VT want to hit Koshi? Iunno, but its possible the VT was a scum who just didn't get his pick. Throwing VT skills to be blocked just eats away at the shield instead of wasting, say, a 1000 one-time nuke on it. Man I am proud of myself for figuring out Chez's role. I'll leave my vote cuz I'm lazy unless I find a real person to vote for. /smug And Chez's ult may have inadvertendtly also burned a use of the shield, awks :< Oh shit accidental edit my bad. Meant to ebwodp but oops. And for another ACTUAL ebwodp, how do mods choose priority for night actions done to a player?
It's in the OP.
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I still have rayn town. I have JAT town still. I have Odin town.
MZ still looks scummy to me. He's dropped in a time or two, but only to focus on jabbing at Koshi despite saying Koshi was not gonna get lynched, and now to poke at me just a lil'.
Rean looks stranger, because he finally has a read, but it's just me, and he's never ever ever ever ever justified it one bit. Yet now with other votes on me, he just posts about me all day urrday and it's cool. I'd like to see him talk about some other folks. Everyone else would like to see him talk about some other folks. So, he should do that.
I did not take any damage beyond the damage from Rean last night.
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Abilities and Resolution
HP is the ONLY notification you will be receiving unless otherwise specified; players are not informed if their abilities landed, if they are roleblocked, healed/shielded/hit with KP/etc. You will be informed if an ability is refunded to you for whatever reason. Unless otherwise stated in your role PM, you may only use one ability per phase. There are multiple ability ‘types’ in this game and they will be listed here for reference in order of resolution (if necessary):
Untargetable
Redirects
Roleblocks
Time delay
Items/traps
KP/shields/deaths
Heals
Signup list switches/checks
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yeah you also know who is right a lot austin? Scum.
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what is with all this USELESS shit Johnny?
Is mocsta scum Johnny?
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If mig targeted MZ how did the dmg get to me? This bothers me. mig could be scum and lying but why claim it then?
I don't like obvious actions and this one doesn't make sense to me. MZ is at least 6 slots across the list from me so it's not splash damage.
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Yeah Oats that's exactly what I said. I'll lynch him is transparent.
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why is bad case = scum? Cause that paragraph on Mocsta is just calling his case bad, but that doesnt make him scum.
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On December 06 2013 12:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah you also know who is right a lot austin? Scum.
Yeah, they are.
Have you seen me do this in scum games?
Have you seen me do this in town games?
At the very least, do you think sandro is correct in thinking it's alignment-determinative?
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What the fuck is useless there anyway? Players loved gtrs' bad read on soniv, moctsa won't get off my balls because he's wagoning anything that comes up and the case on Austin is weak.
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