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On December 06 2013 12:28 OdinOfPergo wrote:
No Onegu, Whenever I am gone from the thread, I am not lurking. I am gone. This isn't me trying to discredit you in anyway btw. Everyone should read the QT from my NMM L game. Not only does it co-inside with my other 3 townie games on me having a lot of prior obligations, it will illustrate that as scum, whenever I get backed into a corner, I completely shut down.
Does my game so far this time feel like that to you (Or anyone else)?
I know Rayn alluded to this directly earlier, but in fairness: have you actually been pressured to be put in a situation to "shut down"?
I think this is a a cheap-way of deflecting pressure whether town or scum.
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On December 06 2013 12:26 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 12:24 Rean wrote:On December 06 2013 11:53 austinmcc wrote:
Yes. He talks about bans. But all he does is say "the anti-town champs are anti-town." Apparently Janna became a topic. No comment on Janna. There were people who had whole number picking schemes. No comment on them. People had lists of champs, who goes high, who goes mid tier, etc. etc. No comment on them.
He has a bunch of comments on the bans, but EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is "anti-town champs should be banned, because they are bad for town."
Let alone that he says KP roles are no good for mafia, and that ALL investigations "might as well be useless" if graves is in the game. Kush is seeing things. The ban discussion isn't really discussion at all; it's ban tautology. 1. See a theme here? I was around earlier and then disappeared for a while. I WONDER WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED. 2. I was pointing out the champs that serve no purpose to town, only mafia. Don't try and simplify what I said to make me look useless. 3. I already told you that you didn't interpret that correctly. If you bothered to read my damn filter you'd know this. Goes towards showing how much attention you pay. And what I said is certainly true, with Graves ingame checks become a massive WIFOM paradise. srs. Almost EVERY game that has DTs in it has godfather/framer/both/whatever. There are VERY VERY VERY few games where you have investigative roles and NO way to mess with checks. The fact that ONE role can mess with a single target each night does not make checks a massive WIFOM paradise or mostly useless. Do you think that you needed to point out champs that serve no purpose to town, only mafia? Did anyone ever disagree and say those champs have town purposes?
If a game has a framer in nobody would take checks seriously until there's 100% confirmation it wasn't framed. Godfather isn't so bad, it makes town checks unreliable but mafia checks are still useful.
Yes, I did think I needed to as we were discussing bans and I made clear/argued for what I wanted banned.
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Odin, he has a point. I was on you from your first post after a late entrance. You entered the game the same Kush did this game. Call out a couple names then disappear for a long period of time. Who do you think is scum? You've gotten a free ride since rayn (i think) said you're playing differently than last game.
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On December 06 2013 12:31 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 12:21 Mocsta wrote:On December 06 2013 12:14 JonnyLaw wrote:
I've talked about Kush all that I want to. Do you even read my filter?
I called out Kush, got shit on by a couple people because that's how he plays. I didn't realize people intentionally play like shit and post one liners that don't help town at all. That was my original complaint about rayn. Now he gets praised for having the largest filter in the game.
LSB is a good lynch because he contributes nothing to the game. I will vote you as well just like I said. You're wagoning whatever is easy. JonnyLaw, I'm going to choose my words carefully, after all there is no need to convince scum that they are scum. (1) You are running a discredit campaign on me by twisting easy to prove facts. This *is* scummy (2) How are you an easy bandwagon, when experienced players like Sandroba/Rayn don't agree with the strength of my read. This is more discredit attempts (3) If you did call me scum, you went about it in the most wishy-washy softly-spoken way possible, and that *is* scummy too. All you say is you *could* lynch me. Who are you *GOING* to lynch. First of all who's getting lynched is not my call. I have a vote. You think my vote is the most influential in the game? I don't. I got shit on d1 for thinking I know something about tl mafia. As I said I'll happily lynch you. You pegged me scum, jumped to bum when convenient then came back at me once bum was town and prome joined the game. I said bum might be town because his post saying im town makes no sense if he's scum. He could ride the LSB bandwagon till the end. You call me scum for that logic then post the same logic for why I am scum. You can't have it both ways. Firstly, thanks for completely ignoring the point about running a smear campaign on me.
Secondly, so you are admitting to <blatant> sheep voting then?
I find it unacceptable that you wont take accountability to state where you want the lynch headed.
What type of frigging response is that. If you are town, a vote is meant to be your most important weapon....
I have you as scum and haven't waivered.
Theres xyz scum in this game, and I was convinced on what was put out on Bum.
Just like many other players, they dropped their reads to lynch Bum... why is this scummy Jonny?
More smear campaign from you.
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I'm working on that Jonny. My early question to you would be...
I don't completely agree with the case agains't you.
However your pushing seems so different to me this time around than our last game together.
Last game I made one (Honest but drunk) post about how I didn't like you and you pushed me almost to a lynch d1.
What changed? Why haven't you done so on anyone this entire game so far? You seem so hesitant to shove a scum read down someone's throat this game. You did it very effectively last game that I was confidant enough to kill you in the night for it.
I'm not convinced you're scum yet this game but you're making me question it.
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Not sure why it generates the text covering up 1/3 of fry's face. Booo memegenerator. Booo.
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@Austin
Can you please confirm if you are full heatlh.
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Gonna go read Johnny since he's at issue.
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Actually I'm not even sure if my drunk post was about you. But you 100% commited to it and I did almost get lynched for it. (I was the #2 runner up.) I mean where is that confidence this game?
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On December 06 2013 12:42 Mocsta wrote:
@Austin
Can you please confirm if you are full heatlh. No. I took the 50 from rean. Did not take any other damage.
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On December 06 2013 12:42 austinmcc wrote:
Gonna go read Johnny since he's at issue.
Please read and analyze my case against him too
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I must say, in isolation.
Rean shooting Austin wtih VT 50KP and immediately following up with a vote looks pretty good to me.
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On December 06 2013 12:39 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 12:31 JonnyLaw wrote:On December 06 2013 12:21 Mocsta wrote:On December 06 2013 12:14 JonnyLaw wrote:
I've talked about Kush all that I want to. Do you even read my filter?
I called out Kush, got shit on by a couple people because that's how he plays. I didn't realize people intentionally play like shit and post one liners that don't help town at all. That was my original complaint about rayn. Now he gets praised for having the largest filter in the game.
LSB is a good lynch because he contributes nothing to the game. I will vote you as well just like I said. You're wagoning whatever is easy. JonnyLaw, I'm going to choose my words carefully, after all there is no need to convince scum that they are scum. (1) You are running a discredit campaign on me by twisting easy to prove facts. This *is* scummy (2) How are you an easy bandwagon, when experienced players like Sandroba/Rayn don't agree with the strength of my read. This is more discredit attempts (3) If you did call me scum, you went about it in the most wishy-washy softly-spoken way possible, and that *is* scummy too. All you say is you *could* lynch me. Who are you *GOING* to lynch. First of all who's getting lynched is not my call. I have a vote. You think my vote is the most influential in the game? I don't. I got shit on d1 for thinking I know something about tl mafia. As I said I'll happily lynch you. You pegged me scum, jumped to bum when convenient then came back at me once bum was town and prome joined the game. I said bum might be town because his post saying im town makes no sense if he's scum. He could ride the LSB bandwagon till the end. You call me scum for that logic then post the same logic for why I am scum. You can't have it both ways. Firstly, thanks for completely ignoring the point about running a smear campaign on me. Secondly, so you are admitting to <blatant> sheep voting then? I find it unacceptable that you wont take accountability to state where you want the lynch headed. What type of frigging response is that. If you are town, a vote is meant to be your most important weapon.... I have you as scum and haven't waivered. Theres xyz scum in this game, and I was convinced on what was put out on Bum. Just like many other players, they dropped their reads to lynch Bum... why is this scummy Jonny? More smear campaign from you.
I'm not running a smear campaign on you. At this point my vote is my most important tool on a daily basis. More important than that is not getting lynched. I felt a boot to the face when I started accusing Kush like I did to Odin d1 of our newb game. That's why I said I'll vote you, LSB or gtrs and don't think the case on Austin is convincing.
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@Mocsta, I'm not sure that sayd much considering Austin is Rean's sole read this game. (I don't remember anyone else..)
His reasons aren't strong, but what else could he have even claimed to do if he DIDN'T do as he claimed to do?
"Hey guys, Austin is my scum read..
I totally hit xyz with 50kp for no reason"
Doesn't make any sense.
Why are you giving him town credit for this action when it's the only avenue he left himself?
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On December 06 2013 12:52 OdinOfPergo wrote:
@Mocsta, I'm not sure that sayd much considering Austin is Rean's sole read this game. (I don't remember anyone else..)
His reasons aren't strong, but what else could he have even claimed to do if he DIDN'T do as he claimed to do?
"Hey guys, Austin is my scum read..
I totally hit xyz with 50kp for no reason"
Doesn't make any sense.
Why are you giving him town credit for this action when it's the only avenue he left himself?
In isolation:
I dont see how that action (shot + vote) allows Rean to push a scum agenda.
Like i get some can argue he now has a cover story (of a read) that he can stick to and push via the vote; but by doing this, he is becoming a lone ranger in the scum team with no thread influence, and no ability to push an agenda if his team needs it.
Further, I'm not actually sure he would get town cred if Austin flipped scum.
Its just a really bad move overall.
If the shot didnt happen with a vote, different story.
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Hey guys. I think Onegu is town. Like, totes town.
Maybe townier than *thumbs*this*/thumbs* guy.
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And scum are done shooting at me guys don't worry. N1 was an abberation. Now I'm scummy enough to lynch, stop protecting me.
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[b]Jonny</b>
I look at you, and think you don't care about this game. Yes, you cared about the setup discussion and LoL-theme, but when it comes to the crux of what mafia is about, i find you to be lacking -- and that is pretty reliable scum tell.
I would really like to see you push something this lynch.
You made a post giving your position regarding myself, gtrss, LSB and ?Geript?
What are you going to do about these reads/
Sit there idle, or push them?
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Mocsta,
What gives you the impression he is going to push his vote at all?
Also, what per his day actions gives him any ability to help lead a scum agenda with his team if he is scum?
The only thing I get for it is a easy out later if Austin flips town. (Not convinced of at this point but need to finished filter... Dang I should probably completely ignore the thread and do that but meh. {This is townie Odin saying he don't give a rats if it takes him 10 hours to do huehue [But seriously I will have some reads out tonight pls no lynch until I do]}
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On December 06 2013 12:10 JonnyLaw wrote:
Geript's case is bad. Mocsta won't drop unless something more convenient arrives at his doorstep. I think that's scummy.
Look jonny here's my perspective on it. This is as much as you've said about the case. You've done nothing to address any of the points. It looks like you're more interested from your posts in trying to say that X person should be town, or is "shit" or "plays like shit" then actually addressing in a clear and constructive way points on why you think X player is scum. Like we want meat from you but it feels like all you're doing is letting your ego play and blow hot air everywhere.
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