EPTWill an actioncheck be blocked by Stand United if both are done in the same turn?
Will an item gift be blocked by Stand United if both are done in the same turn?
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LSB
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Will an actioncheck be blocked by Stand United if both are done in the same turn? Will an item gift be blocked by Stand United if both are done in the same turn? | ||
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Mocsta
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On December 06 2013 10:14 geript wrote: Moc can you give me a summary point list on why Austin is scum. I saw it come up but read it during break in class and don't remember it. Sure: (1) Really weird push of Rean where he even uses incorrect meta to push Rean and when pointed out, he still stands by the read. (2) Opposes the Bum lynch with odd analysis and suggests Rean as a suitable alternative -- Barely pushes this read. (3) Gives wishy washy analysis in general (e.g. see MZ) where he throws in points that are least worth probing for more information; and instead just casts everything as "not the most blatantly scummy stuff" --> carry on (4) There is some thoughts about KP/hero choice but its all conjecture and I wouldnt vote based on that solely. Overall: His play is pretty disjointed and it seems like he wants to come across as independent thinking, even though hes done nothing to convince anyone of his reads, nor push anything to the benefit of town. You can argue that he tried to benefit town with his read town read on bumatlarge; but realistically read the post and its hard to grasp how that was ever going to stop the wagon. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=114#2261 | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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Not you. Personal opinion. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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geript
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Chez just remember what I flip whenever that happens and remember to not sign up in a game I've already joined. I will not sign up for games that you've already joined as well. | ||
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On December 06 2013 11:05 jcarlsoniv wrote: I gave it to rayn because he had announced he would protect Koshi so we could get an item out. So, I protected rayn so he didn't get role blocked. Working from the "town benefits from having our inventor make things for us" perspective, it seems like a logical course of action. I really don't buy this explanation. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On December 06 2013 10:41 OdinOfPergo wrote: Mmmmmk, Hi guys! Just caught up in the thread... and well, I have some filter diving to do. It will probably take a good bit of time since I want to actually think about what I just finished reading with some thought but I'll try to get it done tonight. My main focus tonight/tomorrow morning will be Austin, Rean, VE, Mocsta. People I'll probably get to in the morning if not tonight include Mocsta (I am somewhere between slight townies/null atm but I want to filter.), Chez (Sadly I have to agree with some people here. I find it next to impossible to read half of what this guy writes and thus to avoid headaches induced by riddles tonight.... Will probably be put on a back-burner for tomorrow.), Onegu (Per his case on me I want to wait and see what else comes out of him. I also don't want to be biased in reading him so I'm strait up not going to write about him tonight.) If people have questions for me I will be around for a while tonight as I have tomorrow off. Ok so you dont want to write about me, can you at least address the points I bring up? | ||
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On December 06 2013 10:53 Mocsta wrote: Sure: (1) Really weird push of Rean where he even uses incorrect meta to push Rean and when pointed out, he still stands by the read. (2) Opposes the Bum lynch with odd analysis and suggests Rean as a suitable alternative -- Barely pushes this read. (3) Gives wishy washy analysis in general (e.g. see MZ) where he throws in points that are least worth probing for more information; and instead just casts everything as "not the most blatantly scummy stuff" --> carry on (4) There is some thoughts about KP/hero choice but its all conjecture and I wouldnt vote based on that solely. Overall: His play is pretty disjointed and it seems like he wants to come across as independent thinking, even though hes done nothing to convince anyone of his reads, nor push anything to the benefit of town. You can argue that he tried to benefit town with his read town read on bumatlarge; but realistically read the post and its hard to grasp how that was ever going to stop the wagon. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=114#2261 I really don't like the Austin push because I think you guys are reading him wrong. I think we all need to take a step back from that To me, Austin did not push or encourage any lynch. All he has done was post his opinions on a wide range of important people in day 1. He gave reads of many people (Bum included) and I don't think (2) should apply. Thinking a townie is town can be done by anyone, not just scum. (1) is odd, but it's more indicative of a careless mistake. All the arguments on (4) are ridiculously bad However that leaves (3) which is the major issue. His strongest 'push' was against MZ yet he does not give a firm stance on the alignment of MZ. Yet this isn't to say that Austin is unwilling to take a stance, he was at least firm about ream no matter how misguided his analysis may have been. When posting about multiple people, it should be expected that at least a few of the people you should not have a certain opinion of. His major warning warning post for me is On December 04 2013 11:43 austinmcc wrote: Do you mean Demon's Run D2 or whatever, where I was entirely absent and came in only to vote with made up reasoning based on which wagon I liked? Probably cuz I was mostly absent today. Don't believe there was a surge in that game though. You can also check plenty of my town games for relatively absent D1s (Bureaucracy, called out for it in a couple others), and at least one relatively absent D1 into swoosh of activity (Liquid City) Where he essentially forshadows he will lurk a ton in this game. Although it may be an accurate description of what may to come, it conveniently explains away any "oh shit the heat is on me" lurking. However, my major reservation on lynching Austinmcc is that as stated before, most of the analysis on him is based on the fact that he posts bad, or makes bad decisions. I don't think this is indicative of being scum. Although certainly he isn't getting townie points in my book, it is a much better idea to lynch on something more solid. Your hourly reminder that we should lynch kushm4sta http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=179#3574 | ||
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LSB
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On December 06 2013 11:07 geript wrote: I understand that Chez tries to encrypt what he means because he makes reads out of the chaos, but it still makes him impossible to read because he does that as either alignment and your conclusions from what he writes are rarely his intentions. I know he's a skilled player as either alignment but the time it takes to try and discern what he means and then discern his alignment is not worth the time of reading his posts. Chez just remember what I flip whenever that happens and remember to not sign up in a game I've already joined. I will not sign up for games that you've already joined as well. I think I understand Chezs play to a certain degree now and this is something we can discuss the merits of after this game is over. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On December 06 2013 11:07 geript wrote: I understand that Chez tries to encrypt what he means because he makes reads out of the chaos, but it still makes him impossible to read because he does that as either alignment and your conclusions from what he writes are rarely his intentions. I know he's a skilled player as either alignment but the time it takes to try and discern what he means and then discern his alignment is not worth the time of reading his posts. Chez just remember what I flip whenever that happens and remember to not sign up in a game I've already joined. I will not sign up for games that you've already joined as well. not true. Chez is perfectly readable town and scum. He's town this game. Go and look at his games, there is a stark difference. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On December 06 2013 11:02 geript wrote: @Moc. How do you feel about jcarl, Rayn and the lantern thing. I have a really hard time coming up with any reason why jcarl would give it to Rayn over Marv. It really makes me think they're both scum. By this I mean as a Doc you try to save the best player who's you have a strong townread on. I have a very hard time coming to a conclusion why jcarl would not give that to obv town Marv over not-obv-town Rayn. hmm, I dunno about that. Your thinking of now vs at that point in time. From PIck phase / early day1. rayn was one of the towniest guys in the thread. Marv was lazy and not interacting much. If Jcarl threw the lantern quickly into Day1 -- Rayn was a decent choice. I havent checked how long into the phase the lantern was chucked, but Im pretty sure it was within the first 24hrs. To be honest, i dont have a clue why jcarl wouldnt wait longer, but heck, maybe if i had powers I would be excited to use them too?? Overall I dont conclude from that: that they are both scum. I would treat the action as null to slight town points. | ||
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Mocsta
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On December 06 2013 11:05 jcarlsoniv wrote: I gave it to rayn because he had announced he would protect Koshi so we could get an item out. So, I protected rayn so he didn't get role blocked. Working from the "town benefits from having our inventor make things for us" perspective, it seems like a logical course of action. Ahh that makes sense ninja'd lol | ||
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Oatsmaster
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geript
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To clarify, if you were concerned with protecting the role of (Koshi) a player who had done nothing to confirm his towniness at that point then you could've just given the lantern to Koshi. Second, players > roles; by giving the lantern to Marv you protect 2/3 players assuming they're all town and reveal scum in the case of either Koshi/Rayn. Third, I think the whole super inventor plan is an exceptionally pro-scum plan because at best things start working on D3 or d4 at the earliest limiting action analysis for 1-2 days instead of starting it right at D2. I could go on but I have a lot left to do at work and I have 2 tests which I didn't study for this past weekend because of have laryngitis. | ||
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geript
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On December 06 2013 11:35 Oatsmaster wrote: not true. Chez is perfectly readable town and scum. He's town this game. Go and look at his games, there is a stark difference. I have no clue how you get this nor do I have any interest in learning how you did it because I'm not going to play a game with him ever again. | ||
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