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More importantly. As town, when I'm evaulating other players based on who their targets are, that's not something I frequently forget. It seems really weird to 180 on that in 11 hours. Jcarl's targets previous seem to be Rayn and Geript. Yet afterwards, Bum posts:
On December 03 2013 10:48 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm glad you noticed, I initially had another block of text about the voters on Urgot, but I convinced myself it didn't hold water except for jcarl. Geript I was still suspicious of, but not for the reasons I was going to give. The other two, Mig and justanothertownie, I liked as town, so I axed the whole section and just picked up where the analysis began.
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I have yet to analyze geript, though my gut said mafia. I was going to but the jcarl analysis wore me out, and I scratched a whole long segment that I thought wasn't good.
But that's really weird that Bum liked jcarl's targets of which included Geript/Rayn but yet had never really analyzed me over "gut" sentiment.
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On December 04 2013 00:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I can totally see geript and bumatlarge being in cahoots.
I'd like you to expand your thoughts here on why you think this.
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ooo geript has another read. Finally.
Yeah I could lynch bum, dunno what kush is talking about.
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jonnylaw
First off, I think he "stole" my hero - so I might be prejudiced.
Reading his filter I'm at loggerheads.
- I cant follow his reads mid Day1 - they read like checklists and with some of the reads I dont even know if the lean is town or null.
- I find him to be a lot more direct/assertive during the pick phase. Coupled with the point above I find pretty scummy.
- Has a read on OWB/Kush.. that is weird.
On one hand he is making some effort in his filter to push it, and on the other hand I don't feel he is making an effort to strengthen his read by talking to Kush.
- I do like how he plays early Day 1 with Geript/Jay. It felt like he was stopping that feud and then tried to generate discussion with the right level of assertiveness.
- I also misread him earlier when I said he +1'd me. That was prob OMGUS of me. Having said that, I dont see why it is relevant to call me out for making excuses. Doesn't take it anywhere either.
Overall
I think he has good potential to be scum.
I really want to see him push his prime read (Kush) more.
+ I'm not sure if knowing he is a newbie is affecting my read.
Bumatlarge
On November 30 2013 23:56 bumatlarge wrote:good ##Unvote
##Vote: UrgotI know you went afk Mocsta, but if you do come back, please unvote caitlyn and vote LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE ;_;
I dont like this post. To me its overplayed enthusiasm. Realistically, did my vote make a difference to the outcome?
I just dont see the point to it other than filler.
- I noticed in his list of heroes split into town/defensive/mafia that my hero is not listed - even though it had KP.
This makes me wonder what else was left out? Prob a null point, with so many heroes its hard to keep on top of them all.
On December 02 2013 17:19 bumatlarge wrote:
Mocsta, vote jcarl. You already figured out he was scum before I did. I don't like this. I never called jcarl scum. Ironically, I take issue with bum here for the blatant appeal to ego
- I'm struggling to follow his train of thought. Still very setup focused
- I dont get his stance on JL. Regarding the accidental vote, I'm not even sure if Bum is reading carefully if he points this out as non-accidental?
- His read on LSB (who I haven't read yet) looks like hes leaving himself a backdoor.
- I dont see where the Geript reads materialised?
- I do like how persistent he is with Jcarl, but I dont know why he is so *certain* of this read. It felt really odd in tone to be included with his SK retort.
Overall
I'm really struggling to understand his line of thought/reasoning.
Pick Phase he read like an excited kid gleefully figuring out which present to unwrap on Christmas Day.
Im not getting that anymore. I think its unusual for town to be so stubborn on a lynch candidate this early. I think he also backpedaled his read on LSB when pressured by Marv in a scummy/wishy-washy way.
I'm really disliking the continued setup speculation about powers and ultimates etc as well.
Yeah, I can definitely vote this slot.
##Vote: Bumatlarge
LSB
- Vote on me is terrible. At least he dropped it without pressure.
I'm really struggling to read his filter. Its painful.
I disagree with what he is doing on so many levels (role fishing, policy lynching, list summaries) but at the same time I can't imagine a scum player being this ballsy. Surely it would have to set a precedent for bold play.
Considering he was onto bum quite early; i dont see why scum would need to bus. so i am kinda association reading him as town.
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Processing new information has nothing to do with re-assessing an analysis made. Nothing jcarlsoniv has altered the reasons for why I found him as scum. I said I wouldv analyze geript, but has anyone else tried to analyze him (not just filter and get a read, actually breakdown his posts and find his direction. Then post your results.)
I've filtered him and it was bad, but I didn't plot out what I've found like I did with jcarlsoniv. His stood out so I did it and reached a conclusion that no one picked apart, except for jcarlsoniv himself.
In case someone really thinks me not picking tryndamere is scummy, VE already figured out my role.
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On December 04 2013 01:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
ooo geript has another read. Finally.
Yeah I could lynch bum, dunno what kush is talking about.
case against bum:
contradictions
flinging vague shit
Town do both of these things all the time.
In the hypothetical situation that bum was town, I would expect behavior that was tryhard and scared. That comes from his level of experience and his personality.
"Contradictions" and "flinging vague shit" are only scumtells when the player is not scared (a more experienced player) and not tryhard.
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On December 04 2013 01:11 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 01:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
ooo geript has another read. Finally.
Yeah I could lynch bum, dunno what kush is talking about. case against bum: contradictions flinging vague shit Town do both of these things all the time. In the hypothetical situation that bum was town, I would expect behavior that was tryhard and scared. That comes from his level of experience and his personality. "Contradictions" and "flinging vague shit" are only scumtells when the player is not scared (a more experienced player) and not tryhard.
You realise he's played like 30+ games, yes?
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Why don't you be a good boy and look at the TL Mafia Database?
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On December 04 2013 00:58 geript wrote:
But that's really weird that Bum liked jcarl's targets of which included Geript/Rayn but yet had never really analyzed me over "gut" sentiment.
Not Rayn, just you. Don't reach.
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i thought he just had played newbies. this makes my townread much weaker.
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Yeah go figure. This is what I get for not playing for a year. I don't know half these people.
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On December 04 2013 01:01 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 00:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I can totally see geript and bumatlarge being in cahoots. I'd like you to expand your thoughts here on why you think this.
Because I think you're both scum, not because I've seen something to suggest you two working together.
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On December 04 2013 01:16 bumatlarge wrote:
Yeah go figure. This is what I get for not playing for a year. I don't know half these people.
I'm curious why you haven't tried to interact with your main scumread (jcarl) at all, given for example you've both been in the thread for the last couple hours.
Flicking through one of your earlier games, I noted that you stated that you relied on interactions with other players, and that's conspicuously absent regarding your read on jcarl.
On December 01 2011 04:02 bumatlarge wrote:
I think it's a bit rash to insult my play when I have never played with most of the scum team (coagulations not included). I rely pretty heavily on interactions in mafia games, and interacting with Palmar or WBG is like trying to kiss a furnace. I think you two need to lighten up. You can catch scum without spraying mace at everyone who tries to approach you.
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On December 04 2013 01:14 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 00:58 geript wrote:
But that's really weird that Bum liked jcarl's targets of which included Geript/Rayn but yet had never really analyzed me over "gut" sentiment. Not Rayn, just you. Don't reach.
So you admit to never taking a serious gander at me but gave jcarl a townread based on him liking me for scum... I mean liking us both for scum doesn't seem odd in the towny sense to me but liking us both for scum while making a case on him and practically completely ignoring me is really fucking odd.
More importantly why did your view on pre-case jcarl change over 11 hours? Yet it seems like at 12-2 @15:00 you didn't have particular notice of anyone.
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On December 04 2013 01:01 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 00:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I can totally see geript and bumatlarge being in cahoots. I'd like you to expand your thoughts here on why you think this.
Try again sugar.
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On December 04 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote:
Why don't you be a good boy and look at the TL Mafia Database?
What do you think of bum's actions in progression? Seen town do that before?
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I probably played this sub-optimally in terms of reacting to LSB, but my reasons on jcarlsoniv are sound, and I feel my thoughts on LSB are sound. I'm bored at court so I might be posting just to post. Who knows.
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On December 04 2013 01:25 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote:
Why don't you be a good boy and look at the TL Mafia Database? What do you think of bum's actions in progression? Seen town do that before?
Am I allowed to answer?
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