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On December 04 2013 02:18 LSB wrote:
I don't understand this whole I'm a village idiot thingy, I'm just going to flat out deny it, and say that if there is a village idiot mechanic it probably should have been mentioned in the OP.
there are no suicide champs in league, so to speak
on the list, kog'maw has a suicide passive, but it's known. shaco fits the "town clown" persona *kinda* but he's more of an "evil clown." in dota, techies has a suicide attack and are well known for their mines, which teemo closely mimics. but teemo has no suicide abilities
i also think that it's unlikely that there is a village idiot role
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On December 04 2013 02:19 gtrsrs wrote:
oh woops, forgot to include my reasoning
soniv is a bona fide hipster, loves to play champs that are not currently popular or considered strong. in addition to the champs i listed, on the champ list, there are several of those: mordekaiser, karma, twisted fate, malzahar, syndra, talon
but each of these either has a damage ability listed (morde, TF, malz, syndra) or has an extremely high likelihood of a damage ability (karma, talon)
i believe karma is his favorite champ though. hard to analyze her based on her abilities though, because Wave said that he's been planning this for months, and karma went through a remake somewhat recently
My propensity for playing less popular champs in game has 0 reflection on what role I chose in this game. This is 100% pointless speculation.
Also, I believe someone has claimed Karma already. I don't remember who (and can't find the list at the moment - I'm sure LSB knows).
Whenever you're ready to stop being a dumbass is good with me.
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On December 04 2013 02:22 sandroba wrote:
I find it funny that when we are trying to get bum lynched a lot of useless people show up and spam the thread with useless shit.
Mind commenting on what I found?
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On December 04 2013 02:20 marvellosity wrote:
Your past town-games suggest you are usually focused on getting a good lynch too, so I'm confused that you are only concentrating on this.
there should be no confusion, as i have clarified
>i don't have any good scum reads
>i'm not as aggressive a person as i used to be
>i don't like building cases on other games. later in the game based on reactions to night activities i will be of more help
if you want to give me a player to analyze i might do it, but i'm not gonna scramble to find scum reads when there's nothing of consequence yet posted.
thanks for understanding 
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On December 04 2013 02:25 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 02:20 marvellosity wrote:
Your past town-games suggest you are usually focused on getting a good lynch too, so I'm confused that you are only concentrating on this. there should be no confusion, as i have clarified >i don't have any good scum reads >i'm not as aggressive a person as i used to be >i don't like building cases on other games. later in the game based on reactions to night activities i will be of more help if you want to give me a player to analyze i might do it, but i'm not gonna scramble to find scum reads when there's nothing of consequence yet posted.
thanks for understanding
Tonnes of consequence has been posted :/ I hate belittling of the very useful Day 1 like this.
There's also a difference between "not as aggressive as I used to be" and "I'm now totally useless whereas before I wasn't". You're closer to the 2nd, which is unfortunate.
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On December 04 2013 02:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 02:19 gtrsrs wrote:
oh woops, forgot to include my reasoning
soniv is a bona fide hipster, loves to play champs that are not currently popular or considered strong. in addition to the champs i listed, on the champ list, there are several of those: mordekaiser, karma, twisted fate, malzahar, syndra, talon
but each of these either has a damage ability listed (morde, TF, malz, syndra) or has an extremely high likelihood of a damage ability (karma, talon)
i believe karma is his favorite champ though. hard to analyze her based on her abilities though, because Wave said that he's been planning this for months, and karma went through a remake somewhat recently My propensity for playing less popular champs in game has 0 reflection on what role I chose in this game. This is 100% pointless speculation.Also, I believe someone has claimed Karma already. I don't remember who (and can't find the list at the moment - I'm sure LSB knows). Whenever you're ready to stop being a dumbass is good with me.
so you say. certain personal traits bleed through all activities and you carry them with you wherever you go. i know i do, why would you be different. i'm sticking with my gut on this
You want this, don't you? The hate is swelling in you now. Take your Jedi weapon. Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant.
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If you mean that bum randomly assigns a read onto someone and then justifies it later to fit his story, then yes, I believe you are correct.
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There are too many townies not interested in finding mafia at all, because not all of those sitting around doing nothing are going to be mafia :/
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On December 04 2013 02:00 gtrsrs wrote:
there are plenty of people in this game that play league? i've been posting on the league sub-forum since it's inception and i recognize less than 10 people in here. imo, i'm doing a huge service to those people who DON'T play league by mapping out likely powers of roles that are in conversation right now. i understand that it's not helping us decide who is scum *yet*, but knowing how these powers work will be critical in winning this game.
i don't have any scum reads yet.
Hello.
I don't know why you think that determining or narrowing down JC's role is of any consequence and I have no clue why you randomly picked this subject to focus your efforts.
You say you don't have any scum reads yet? Well, then. I just found something useful for you to do. Go get yourself A GODDAMN scum read, because you have to vote soon and that's what the game is about.
Cheers.
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On December 04 2013 02:25 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 02:20 marvellosity wrote:
Your past town-games suggest you are usually focused on getting a good lynch too, so I'm confused that you are only concentrating on this. there should be no confusion, as i have clarified >i don't have any good scum reads >i'm not as aggressive a person as i used to be >i don't like building cases on other games. later in the game based on reactions to night activities i will be of more help if you want to give me a player to analyze i might do it, but i'm not gonna scramble to find scum reads when there's nothing of consequence yet posted. thanks for understanding
Probably the worst post I've read in a while. If you're town, please kill yourself.
User was warned for this post
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On December 04 2013 02:37 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 02:25 gtrsrs wrote:On December 04 2013 02:20 marvellosity wrote:
Your past town-games suggest you are usually focused on getting a good lynch too, so I'm confused that you are only concentrating on this. there should be no confusion, as i have clarified >i don't have any good scum reads >i'm not as aggressive a person as i used to be >i don't like building cases on other games. later in the game based on reactions to night activities i will be of more help if you want to give me a player to analyze i might do it, but i'm not gonna scramble to find scum reads when there's nothing of consequence yet posted. thanks for understanding Probably the worst post I've read in a while. If you're town, please kill yourself.
What. How on earth is this acceptable?
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On December 04 2013 00:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:
jat, I'm fine with you quoting posts to respond to, that's normal.
that doesn't excuse the fact that you didn't actually say anything in your post
That's your opinion. I stated what came to mind for me when I was catching up.
On December 04 2013 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno why you need to be ovely defensive about your posts length JAT. Is there any specific reason why you say "i am capable of making one-liners too"?
Well, if someone acuses me of something I explain why that's wrong. I almost always do this and I don't think I was overly defensive. Proving that I often write oneliners seemed like a good way to show soniv that "trying to make my posts appear longer than they are" does not make that much sense for me.
On December 03 2013 23:58 marvellosity wrote:
I don't even know what jat's issue is so I'm just going to ignore it. I explained myself and jat just repeated what he already said. It can wait anyways.
Sigh. You did not answer the question to the extent I would expect from you. Forget it - no need to discuss this any longer. I will mark that as annoyed townmarv who didn't want to argue against rayns point for now.
So, who are the popular lynch candidates right now? Bum, LSB, ... ? I will be here several hours but most certainly not until deadline.
Also question for rayn and marv (anybody else may answer aswell but I want those opinions especially): are there any kind of roles that should definitely claim in your opinion?
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I'm all for lynching bum.
1) Policy lynch, violation of own plan. This is important because town is less organized than anti town roles, and in order to make sure plans go through we need to follow our own plans. There is a tremendous advantage to anti-town roles who put forth a plan and then violate it to give themselves a huge advantage. If you don't buy it from a policy lynch standpoint, I want you to look at his tone after being confronted with the fact that he didn't pick his role
On December 03 2013 10:48 bumatlarge wrote:
I never wanted tryndamere, and I didn't want another town to take it. Figured that would be the best way, and town would understand. Kinda awkward now that LSB has it, but it's not scummy for either of us I think, especially since he claimed it.
In essence he puts very little value in what he was trying to lead the town into doing. This should be a MAJOR warning flag. He was intentionally misleading the town in one of the most crucial phases of the game.
In addition he admits that if I were not to claim, he would just keep on misleading the town.
On December 03 2013 12:31 bumatlarge wrote:
To be fair, I did see it was a guideline, in that people could use it to see what was going to be picked. In that aspect, no one would really have to worry about tryndamere, because I would know people would have it above me, and that people wouldn't get it below me. If you didn't take it, no one would know I didn't have it, and I would simply "never use it". If push came to shove, I would claim I didn't have it if it became beneficial to use it. Any rolechecks would reveal I'm not hiding any scum oriented role.
2. Tunneling of Jcarl. Post for reference http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=58#1155
The first reason why I considered this a tunneling is due to the fact that it is just one giant filter read and a response to every single post he has written. This is usually a very bad idea because it is a stretch to assume that every single (non spam) post by a player should have some sort of scum tell. This is indicative of either one of two things A) You are focusing too hard and are begining to fabricate any sort of connections. B) You are fabricating connections in the first place because you are mafia.
In addition, the case that bum provides is not grounded in any serious substantial tells. Compare this to his performance as town in sleeper cell mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303792&user=bumatlarge. Although misguided, his reasoning is grounded in a general theme around radified. Rather than a laundry list of behavioral traits and summing them up as "This person cannot be town".
3. Wishy washy about me. Although it'd be fair to say that I am not the best judge of this. But Bum has been acting pretty confused about what to do with me. I can't figure out if he wants to lynch me or not. It seems like he is afraid of when I flip green if I do get lynched and wants to make sure he doesn't suffer any backlash.
SIDE NOTE: Should we lynch bum I won't use my role and just sit still.
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On December 04 2013 02:39 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 02:37 Roffles wrote:On December 04 2013 02:25 gtrsrs wrote:On December 04 2013 02:20 marvellosity wrote:
Your past town-games suggest you are usually focused on getting a good lynch too, so I'm confused that you are only concentrating on this. there should be no confusion, as i have clarified >i don't have any good scum reads >i'm not as aggressive a person as i used to be >i don't like building cases on other games. later in the game based on reactions to night activities i will be of more help if you want to give me a player to analyze i might do it, but i'm not gonna scramble to find scum reads when there's nothing of consequence yet posted. thanks for understanding Probably the worst post I've read in a while. If you're town, please kill yourself. What. How on earth is this acceptable?
Roffles' regular dosage of cancer.
Although, Roffles, you have a 1 page filter and haven't said anything in quite a long time. Scum reads?
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Had to take Jacob to the hospital for antibiotics, we are back home now and I am power reading.
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On December 04 2013 02:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 02:39 Rean wrote:On December 04 2013 02:37 Roffles wrote:On December 04 2013 02:25 gtrsrs wrote:On December 04 2013 02:20 marvellosity wrote:
Your past town-games suggest you are usually focused on getting a good lynch too, so I'm confused that you are only concentrating on this. there should be no confusion, as i have clarified >i don't have any good scum reads >i'm not as aggressive a person as i used to be >i don't like building cases on other games. later in the game based on reactions to night activities i will be of more help if you want to give me a player to analyze i might do it, but i'm not gonna scramble to find scum reads when there's nothing of consequence yet posted. thanks for understanding Probably the worst post I've read in a while. If you're town, please kill yourself. What. How on earth is this acceptable? Roffles' regular dosage of cancer. Although, Roffles, you have a 1 page filter and haven't said anything in quite a long time. Scum reads?
Also, Coag, same question, since you've done literally nothing but lurk and I wouldn't have even noticed you post yesterday if it wasn't for the birthday hat.
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On December 04 2013 02:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 02:39 Rean wrote:On December 04 2013 02:37 Roffles wrote:On December 04 2013 02:25 gtrsrs wrote:On December 04 2013 02:20 marvellosity wrote:
Your past town-games suggest you are usually focused on getting a good lynch too, so I'm confused that you are only concentrating on this. there should be no confusion, as i have clarified >i don't have any good scum reads >i'm not as aggressive a person as i used to be >i don't like building cases on other games. later in the game based on reactions to night activities i will be of more help if you want to give me a player to analyze i might do it, but i'm not gonna scramble to find scum reads when there's nothing of consequence yet posted. thanks for understanding Probably the worst post I've read in a while. If you're town, please kill yourself. What. How on earth is this acceptable? Roffles' regular dosage of cancer. Although, Roffles, you have a 1 page filter and haven't said anything in quite a long time. Scum reads?
I don't give a fuck if he does this regularly, there is NO WAY anyone should be allowed to say that ever.
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On December 04 2013 02:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Also question for rayn and marv (anybody else may answer aswell but I want those opinions especially): are there any kind of roles that should definitely claim in your opinion?
I'm not really setup-man so I don't have any particular opinion other than what I've already stated - claimed VTs should claim what they tried to choose originally.
There are probably ones that I missed but this includes
Rean
Mocsta
OdinofPergo
I'm sure various claiming will be useful at some point but I don't think that point is now.
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On December 04 2013 02:43 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 02:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 04 2013 02:39 Rean wrote:On December 04 2013 02:37 Roffles wrote:On December 04 2013 02:25 gtrsrs wrote:On December 04 2013 02:20 marvellosity wrote:
Your past town-games suggest you are usually focused on getting a good lynch too, so I'm confused that you are only concentrating on this. there should be no confusion, as i have clarified >i don't have any good scum reads >i'm not as aggressive a person as i used to be >i don't like building cases on other games. later in the game based on reactions to night activities i will be of more help if you want to give me a player to analyze i might do it, but i'm not gonna scramble to find scum reads when there's nothing of consequence yet posted. thanks for understanding Probably the worst post I've read in a while. If you're town, please kill yourself. What. How on earth is this acceptable? Roffles' regular dosage of cancer. Although, Roffles, you have a 1 page filter and haven't said anything in quite a long time. Scum reads? I don't give a fuck if he does this regularly, there is NO WAY anyone should be allowed to say that ever.
Save this for postgame or pm the hosts. Don't go on about it in the game thread.
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