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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On December 03 2013 23:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta what do you think of Mocsta? This is a real question! I don't find my play fits into any category of my usual standard, because I am barely playing. Like I said before I'm struggling due to the early game. Every filter I have read has so much setup talk and I just go "ugggh" Why can't I be a sheep for once? | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On December 03 2013 23:58 marvellosity wrote: I don't even know what jat's issue is so I'm just going to ignore it. I explained myself and jat just repeated what he already said. It can wait anyways. Mind explaining the Bum thing to me. You know so I can actually understand wtf you're saying. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
that doesn't excuse the fact that you didn't actually say anything in your post | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=JonnyLaw http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=bumatlarge http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=LSB | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On December 03 2013 22:39 bumatlarge wrote: I do think he's mafia, but he's being too silly about it. I guess I'd rather not be bamboozled rather then win. Matter of pride. I mean it's just a hunch. Thinking it over again, it's probably too narrow to play around and I can't imagine his ability would be that bad for us if it makes it good for mafia to get lynched. Almost anyone over jonnylaw would be better IMO. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 04 2013 00:01 Mocsta wrote: I don't find my play fits into any category of my usual standard, because I am barely playing. Like I said before I'm struggling due to the early game. Every filter I have read has so much setup talk and I just go "ugggh" Why can't I be a sheep for once? You can be a sheep if you sheep me! But only for D1, then you have to start playing. Promise? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 04 2013 00:01 geript wrote: Mind explaining the Bum thing to me. You know so I can actually understand wtf you're saying. Well you should simply read sandroba's posts rather than mine, to be honest. 1.Called jcarl mafia then used that as an excuse not to do anything else 2.Danced around calling LSB mafia without ever calling LSB mafia (only to do so later) + random bullshit about LSB being Village Idiot 3.Strange justification for JonnyLaw read Also personally 4.I believe sandroba is town and he feels strongly about this, and I can understand it. Personally I like 2. the best. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On December 04 2013 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: You can be a sheep if you sheep me! But only for D1, then you have to start playing. Promise? Lol. Well Im reading the filters Kush suggested johnnylaw bum LSB we will take it from there. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 04 2013 00:03 kushm4sta wrote: DO NOT LYNCH BUM. I think it's literally impossible for scum to think this way. His thought process is so freaking town. kush, I'd believe this much more if he'd actually expressed proper suspicions on LSB before, rather than just vaguely flinging shit like sandroba showed. Do you see what I mean? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On December 04 2013 00:03 kushm4sta wrote: DO NOT LYNCH BUM. I think it's literally impossible for scum to think this way. His thought process is so freaking town. Do you agree with him that JL isn't scum? | ||
Mig
United States4714 Posts
Koshi if you can't make a vote list check can you make the invention sandroba suggested (checking how many mafia picked each number)? Seems strong but not as op as a vote check list. I am fully on board the kill bum express. 1) Put a ton of effort into the setup but little effort once the game actually begins. This is fairly common for mafia to appear like they are contributing in a pro town manner, if you look at how much work bum put into his plan (researching and referencing radfields plan etc) and compare it to what hes done in the last 48 hours it looks pretty bad. He made 1 okish case against jcarl but then has just coasted since then. Has he even looked at another person besides jcarl? 2) Stupid logic regarding LSB/reaction to sandroba's pressure. Thinks LSB is mafia but doesn't want to lynch him because he could be village idiot what? Says LSB's power likely makes him survive a lynch (very few powers let you survive a lynch way more likely it just lets him survive kp like poppys, if this is even his other power), Bum should know this. But still votes LSB after he is pressured and he tripped himself up by saying he thinks LSB is mafia. You can see after sandroba pressured bum he started bullshitting, realized it was terrible, changed his vote and then just completely disappears, but did it in an incredibly wishy washy way saying everyone will be sorry when LSB survives the lynch. If he actually believes that why did he cave and vote LSB. 3) His read on jcarl doesn't make sense. Why is Bum so completely 100% sure jcarl is mafia? Bum after making his case against jcarl just tunnels him 100%. He at no point evaluates new information to alter his read. When LSB first calls him SK his instant reaction is to say LSB is scum defending jcarls powerful role. He refuses to roleclaim but he is so certain jcarl is mafia that he will roleclaim if jcarl does. And even after saying he thinks LSB is mafia he still tries to push the jcarl lynch. The bum/jcarl interactions just feel a bit off to me. On December 03 2013 23:35 jcarlsoniv wrote: Sandro, I see your case for bum, and it makes a lot of sense. I'm wary to get behind it because I'm worried that my opinion is a bit heavily influenced by OMGUS and I would be totally ok with seeing him go. Summary: Vote is staying on geript, I refuse to let him get away with this absolutely abysmal play. Towards the end of the day, I could get behind gtrsrs or, depending on how things develop for him, bum. I don't like this quote from jcarl about bum either, so wishy washy, and the omgus excuse is zzzzzz. Jcarl doesn't seem emotional it shouldn't be a problem for him to evaluate the case against bum with an open mind. | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On December 04 2013 00:32 Mig wrote: I don't like this quote from jcarl about bum either, so wishy washy, and the omgus excuse is zzzzzz. Jcarl doesn't seem emotional it shouldn't be a problem for him to evaluate the case against bum with an open mind. Already in the process of reading his filter for myself =) Will post in a few. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
On December 01 2013 13:10 bumatlarge wrote: These are pretty much mafia favored roles (some more then others) so last slots *could* check them. I don't think town would take these roles, so no one would have them except mafia. The last slots have a much worse chance of getting neutral roles like veteran/evasion or vigilante roles so I think it's worth towns while. That's my rough draft. If people have recommendations or criticisms on numbers/orders or generally better ideas, I'm open to it. On December 02 2013 06:05 bumatlarge wrote: 4. jcarlsoniv - Janna He's been pretty active, so if he's not sure what to pick, Janna seems good for him. I like his judgment on players so far, and I think he's town. On December 02 2013 17:14 bumatlarge wrote: I think it's pretty obvious jcarl is mafia [insert case] On November 30 2013 18:05 bumatlarge wrote: I think in some order, Urgot, Heimerdinger, Graves, Nocturne or Janna need to be banned. Yorick isn't really that scary, flips are overrated. We need to know who has Victor and Warwick and any others not banned from above from what I can tell. On December 01 2013 11:58 bumatlarge wrote: 1. Warwick 2. Quinn and Valor 3. Viktor 4. Kassadin 5. Janna 6. Heimerdinger 7. Tryndamere I tried to put them in order of power level. What's really odd to me is not the jcarl case or vote. It's the progression of thought. Like he obviously thinks that Heimer/Janna are powerful roles and the Heimer is a potentially pro-scum role. The really odd thing about the case is that 11 hours earlier he had a reasonable vote of confidence in jcarl as a player. More importantly the really weird thing about the case is that in only includes 3 posts from between when Bum thought jcarl was town (12-2 @6:05) and when he thought he was scum (12-2 @17:14) whereas he included 4 posts from before when he thought jcarl was town. I'll read more when I'm back from work. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
The contradiction posts on his LSB stance are pretty glaring. But the biggest thing stands out in this post: On December 03 2013 10:48 bumatlarge wrote: Aye. I never wanted tryndamere, and I didn't want another town to take it. Figured that would be the best way, and town would understand. Kinda awkward now that LSB has it, but it's not scummy for either of us I think, especially since he claimed it. I'm glad you noticed, I initially had another block of text about the voters on Urgot, but I convinced myself it didn't hold water except for jcarl. Geript I was still suspicious of, but not for the reasons I was going to give. The other two, Mig and justanothertownie, I liked as town, so I axed the whole section and just picked up where the analysis began. You are really smart BC. PSA I know guitarasaurus pretty well, but I don't know how he plays mafia. I wouldn't witch hunt him yet for doing nothing, but he needs to step it up even if he didn't get what he wanted. There are better lynches. HEAR THAT BRIAN? I have yet to analyze geript, though my gut said mafia. I was going to but the jcarl analysis wore me out, and I scratched a whole long segment that I thought wasn't good. @LSB I'm not going to claim, sorry  how you managed to go for trynd was unfortunate, but what I said would have worked if it got all the way to you. Meh, you claimed so thats actually good for everyone. I agree certain people should claim, and most have, but others should not.Tell you what though, I will claim if jcarl claims. I thought I caught him pretty good, but the fact that multiple people have called my case good yet only 4 people voted for him, and that you tried to turn it on me, tells me jcarl is a good role for scum to have. Just a feeling. It's been a while but LSB is playing similar to another PYP game, with plans that don't really fall through. He plays weird in general, but there is methods to his madness when he's town. I don't have a read yet, but I'd like to see what he does. If you have a good role like DT/Medic/Vet, please don't claim. There has been something about bum's case on me that has really bugged me. He has stayed consistent with his original case, but has taken essentially no new information into consideration. It's just 100% blind tunneling. Also, he mentions something about having thoughts on geript. He even says that he will try to get something done on geript, but has to go to court today, so he doesn't know if he'll have time. What does he do after this? Brings up points on JohnnyLaw and LSB. And he never mentions geript again in his filter. I can totally see geript and [redbumatlarge[/red] being in cahoots. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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