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On November 26 2013 12:51 Mocsta wrote:
So it's 5-3 and MYLO
Cora fake claim could be an awesome start to finish off the game but I prefer his play as town. And the sudden change on sciberbia does seem hard to fake.
I much prefer hf giving up and deciding to copy the blszinghand fake doc claim strat.
This buys them another cycle and possibly gets a mislynch.
Fact. Holyflare has nothing nothing all game.
Corazon has been present all cycles.
Yes scum is
Hf, onegu, chezinu
He cant help himself. Yes I know its conjecture, but its really how I feel atm.
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On November 26 2013 09:20 Mocsta wrote:Reading the TL;DR you posted to Cora, heres some commentary Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 10:39 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta hasnt made a real case all game, his reads jump around all game without any reason given or BS. (1) Aside from the slur about a real case; what has jumping reads got to do with being scum? All this is, is identifying poor play and not attributing any effort to divine motive. Show nested quote +NOW LOOK AT HIS REASON TO WANT TO LYNCH JAMP. Because jamp tunneled onto Aqua, but when rayn says that mocsta gives a meta reason that is town for jamp. Several have expressed doubts on jampi based on the limited post count. What is your point? Again, you identify me constantly evaluating information and changing my position - yet you make no effort to explain why this is scummy. Show nested quote +Uses the words scumslip for cora and scib, and scum claim for me. Then calls out HF for seeing scum slips. Again, why is this scummy. These are purely events that are in my filter. Show nested quote +Also when I make my notes, if its true he can lynch bereft that cycle, doesnt check when he thinks he is out of time, says if I am wrong its not malicious, to he leaves out the most important piece and Im scum for trying to make bereft look bad. I dont see what the point is here either. Mocsta did "this"; Mocsta did "that".. but none of what is here is why its scummy, or even what agenda I pushed... if he is asserting that I tried to save a scum Bereft.. well thats an association read at best, thus conjecture... and scum feigning contributions at worst. Show nested quote +Is scum scum scum on rayn, then right before lynch switches to its a policy vote, then after lynch lies and says he didnt have rayn as scum but was afraid rayn wouldnt get a lynch through. I disagree. I thougth Rayn was scum at the start of the martyring and over the course of lynch downgraded to a policy lynch. This is clear when I ask if he has been mislynched before. Instead of taking the olive branch, he spat it in my face and wanted to be lynched In short: Onegu case is very useless and doesnt state a single reason why I am scummy. One thing that is concerning is his mention of my swap on jampi. Why is this an issue? Does he know what jampi is going to flip - thus making me look bad for calling him town at one point?
Point 1, it not bad play its wanting to look active with a 17 page filter but not actually doing anything or trying to actually find scum and convince people you found scum.
Point 2, I asked you then why you thought it was best to lynch a lurker, and you said that wasnt your reason, you said your reason was for his tunnel on aqua But earlier Rayn voted jamp and said he was scum because of his tunnel on aqua, you then responded to rayn saying you played with jamp and his town meta was to tunnel like that. So you defend him from rayn, while you vote him for the same thing.
Point 3, not really that scummy bit being a hypocrite, amd that is somewhat scummy
Point 4, maybe, but also its you just messing with the thread, but THE REAL SCUMMY PART is then you say if I am wrong about bereft it isnt malcious, to Im wrong about bereft I am scum. You contridict yourself and basicly misrepresent me as I wasnt wrong.
Point 5, the point is you downgraded it very close to deadline, or even after the deadline, you arent clear as to it being a policy lynch close to deadline as you keep bringing up scum points on him.
And the last thing, Im not saying I know jamp is flipping town, What is concerning is your reason for your flip on jamp because it is the same reason you defended him earlier as the reason you attacked him later.
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Im done responding to you guys, I will post my case on cora, show why other than him lieing about his cop check he should be vigi shot if there is one when I flip green.
Second I have postgame stuff and really want GMarshal to weigh in. But that is for postgame.
Really wish I could flip right after I post my cora case but whateves. Hope this is only 24 hour day.
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On November 26 2013 15:03 Mocsta wrote:
Onegu.
Why is being a hypocrite scummy?
Nothing of what you write is conclusive towards pushing a scum agenda.
We were semi masoned in GoT. I know you are better than this.
If you are talking about Jampi it because there is no way you can believe your case after you defended him, and attacked him for the same reason.
If you are talking about the scum slip thing then yeah on its own its not scummy but still something I felt added to the case and needed to be said when you put it on top of everything else.
Also I have now learned to preview when I quote you because it is your bbccode mess ups not mine that people blame me for, I had to fix one of your errors before I posted the response to your response to my tldr.
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On November 26 2013 15:07 Mocsta wrote:
Btw onegu
If you are town, and Cora is thus scum... You are going to have to drop the tunnel on me.
I am clearly town.
I domt see it mocsta, you keep saying it but that doesnt make it true. I dont see how it is possible for you to believe your caseon jampi when you defended him for the same reason you attacked him. Also I dont see cora and 2 inactives leading town around by the nose basicly by himself, if he did more power to him, but I just dont see it, also I know it is dumb to do preflip connections but there are really to many to passup. Basicly if there was a vig shot on you or cora last night and you flipped red I would nail the other one with connections on top of scummy play. This is also how I have rean in my scumteam.
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Rean by PoE and connections plus my gut read early day one that I gave up on.
Also I dont pretend to be able to read slam, so he would be my last lynch.
My lynch order would go like this, cora, mocsta, rean. And that is also my confidence order in scum. Cora is number one for the cop claim. Also why claim before deadline he was checking me so scum could frame me? Also think cop claims pre deadline he was checking me, I am scum why dont scum team change nk to him and kill cop instead of just letting him give a red check on me?
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On November 26 2013 15:21 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 15:16 Onegu wrote:On November 26 2013 15:07 Mocwrote:
Btw onegu
If you are town, and Cora is thus scum... You are going to have to drop the tunnel on me.
I am clearly town. I domt see it mocsta, you keep saying it but that doesnt make it true. I dont see how it is possible for you to believe your caseon jampi when you defended him for the same reason you attacked him. Also I dont see cora and 2 inactives leading town around by the nose basicly by himself, if he did more power to him, but I just dont see it, also I know it is dumb to do preflip connections but there are really to many to passup. Basicly if there was a vig shot on you or cora last night and you flipped red I would nail the other one with connections on top of scummy play. This is also how I have rean in my scumteam. 1. Co firmed town aqua already agreed with my position on jampi. So get used to that stance flipflop being null. 2. I don't even understand your point regarding Corazon. This reads as an ad hom. 3. Share with me these connection flips 4. So the only way rean is in your scum team is if cora and I were vigged, and on top of that flipped red. Lol. So are you suggesting a vig has been rb fir two successive nights?
Aqua never read all my case it was to convoluted to him, plus like I said about aqua is true, he doesnt think town onegu can find scum so no point in reading me. Also who cares if a confirmed townie agreed with you, happens all the time
My point on cora is I am town cora lied about being cop, and I dont see cora with two lurkers leading town on a merry chase by himself, not a point against him or you just my thoughts.
You want me to post the parts that connect you and him, I will in the case later, I will put in a spoiler why I really think you are connected, in a spoiler because it has nothing to do with why each of you are scum on your own.
And yes, PoE, connections if you both flipped red, and my gut.
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On November 26 2013 15:17 Mocsta wrote:
Wait a sec.
Why did you feel the need to add more?
That directly suggests you are creating a novel.
You sold this case as a post by post analysis, so why break out of this pattern to strengthen a point??
Im not, all of that I posted makes you scum, this is one of the strongest points though. I believe all of my case points to you being scum. But this point is the nail imo.
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On November 26 2013 15:36 Mocsta wrote:
Why is holyflare off this list.
He buses as scum. Why can't he be riding your cases to earn town cred.
Why is his dubious timing if the doc claim ignored.
Why so double standard?
Why are you writing novels?
True HF busses, He didnt just ride my cases he has added points, And now we are in mylo I am trying to give the scum team now as I will be lynched today. As I said rean would be the last person I voted, also as I said earlier if we get down to only one scum left and HF the claimed doctor is still alive then he really should be looked at, until there is only one scum left I read town on HF. If there is only one scum left and it is mylo or lylo and they left the claimed doctor alive until only one scum left the I could see him being scum. But only at that point, unless that happens my read goes to rean.
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On November 26 2013 15:39 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 15:37 Onegu wrote:On November 26 2013 15:17 Mocsta wrote:
Wait a sec.
Why did you feel the need to add more?
That directly suggests you are creating a novel.
You sold this case as a post by post analysis, so why break out of this pattern to strengthen a point?? Im not, all of that I posted makes you scum, this is one of the strongest points though. I believe all of my case points to you being scum. But this point is the nail imo. Your strongest point is that I called out a scumslip in the first hour of the day? Is this what you want me to take at face value?
No my strongest point was the jamp thing.
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Oh you were talking about you saying scumslips, and then calling out HF for seeing scum slips. Yeah I pointed out everything, and you saying that is being a hypocrite and normally I assoiate that with scum, sure town can do that also but people needed to see you did it.
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Slam I have a red check, do you believe it or not, vote me if you believe and then vote for 24 hour day as the red check will be all anyone really talks about except HF being scum with me as you can see.
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On November 26 2013 15:52 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 15:45 Onegu wrote:On November 26 2013 15:36 Mocsta wrote:
Why is holyflare off this list.
He buses as scum. Why can't he be riding your cases to earn town cred.
Why is his dubious timing if the doc claim ignored.
Why so double standard?
Why are you writing novels? True HF busses, He didnt just ride my cases he has added points, And now we are in mylo I am trying to give the scum team now as I will be lynched today. As I said rean would be the last person I voted, also as I said earlier if we get down to only one scum left and HF the claimed doctor is still alive then he really should be looked at, until there is only one scum left I read town on HF. If there is only one scum left and it is mylo or lylo and they left the claimed doctor alive until only one scum left the I could see him being scum. But only at that point, unless that happens my read goes to rean. Lol.. that doesn't answer the question at all. Why do you treat holyflare town for dubious claim timing, and treat Corazon opposite for the same dubious timing. In your case against me you think I do this to jampi, and this are scummy. So tables are turned.. why onegu? Further the above doesn't explain why holy is town, if anything it sounds lime he is town by Poe.
No I didnt say HF is town because of his claim timeing, I think its null, but I point out coras for 2 reasons, 1 a cop check can be messed with via framer, and 2 if I was scum and he was going to cop check me and I knew I would flip red why not kill him, he has been just as active if not more active than thrawn and aqua, why not the claimed blue who was going to have a red check on me.
Look I gave my scumteam, if somehow we get to lylo with one scum alive and the claimed doctor is still alive at that point yes he becomes scummy, until that happens I have a town read on him.
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On November 26 2013 15:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Dude yeah it's a closed setup. With cop and doctor, (again why doctor didn't die is more WIFOM -_-) millers are easily possible. But yeah, it's pretty strong indication...
Onegu are you against me voting you or are you exasperated?
Maybe skimming isn't the best thing let me really read stuff
Im exasperated, my own fault I cant convey my thoughts clearly, and I look scummy but I do in every town game I play, kinda why I joined a bootcamp game to get feedback, and then a red check on me I expect it to be believed. But then coupled with what I will say on cora later in my case and my green flip, if we dont get endgame with my flip I really still believe we can pull this out if town gets to day 4. Because it will be obvious cora is scum. Then I will spoiler the connections cora has with mocsta so you can add that to my case on mocsta, and when I flip please, please, please read it give it a chance and see where I am comeing from. If you actully read it and disagree with it fine but read it that is really all I ask. Of course this is assumeing we dont get endgame post.
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On November 26 2013 16:03 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 15:59 Onegu wrote:On November 26 2013 15:52 Mocsta wrote:On November 26 2013 15:45 Onegu wrote:On November 26 2013 15:36 Mocsta wrote:
Why is holyflare off this list.
He buses as scum. Why can't he be riding your cases to earn town cred.
Why is his dubious timing if the doc claim ignored.
Why so double standard?
Why are you writing novels? True HF busses, He didnt just ride my cases he has added points, And now we are in mylo I am trying to give the scum team now as I will be lynched today. As I said rean would be the last person I voted, also as I said earlier if we get down to only one scum left and HF the claimed doctor is still alive then he really should be looked at, until there is only one scum left I read town on HF. If there is only one scum left and it is mylo or lylo and they left the claimed doctor alive until only one scum left the I could see him being scum. But only at that point, unless that happens my read goes to rean. Lol.. that doesn't answer the question at all. Why do you treat holyflare town for dubious claim timing, and treat Corazon opposite for the same dubious timing. In your case against me you think I do this to jampi, and this are scummy. So tables are turned.. why onegu? Further the above doesn't explain why holy is town, if anything it sounds lime he is town by Poe. No I didnt say HF is town because of his claim timeing, I think its null, but I point out coras for 2 reasons, 1 a cop check can be messed with via framer, and 2 if I was scum and he was going to cop check me and I knew I would flip red why not kill him, he has been just as active if not more active than thrawn and aqua, why not the claimed blue who was going to have a red check on me. Look I gave my scumteam, if somehow we get to lylo with one scum alive and the claimed doctor is still alive at that point yes he becomes scummy, until that happens I have a town read on him. why not kill him?? Notice that you.. chezinu.. holy were not posting in the thread at cycle end. It's equally wifom to state you did not see the claim lol... Stop with the Strawman arguments and start playing the game.
Ok fine we can say thats wifom, and not a point against him if you want, for now. Although the why claim cop before deadline because it can be fucked with still stands.
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On November 26 2013 16:16 Alakaslam wrote:
Dude Cora is so town. anyone questioning that is seeing the world differently from me.
Just conjecture, but lets say I flip town what then?
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Ok I will comment on it. Moment.
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On November 26 2013 16:30 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 16:20 Onegu wrote:On November 26 2013 15:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Dude yeah it's a closed setup. With cop and doctor, (again why doctor didn't die is more WIFOM -_-) millers are easily possible. But yeah, it's pretty strong indication...
Onegu are you against me voting you or are you exasperated?
Maybe skimming isn't the best thing let me really read stuff Im exasperated, my own fault I cant convey my thoughts clearly, and I look scummy but I do in every town game I play, kinda why I joined a bootcamp game to get feedback, and then a red check on me I expect it to be believed. But then coupled with what I will say on cora later in my case and my green flip, if we dont get endgame with my flip I really still believe we can pull this out if town gets to day 4. Because it will be obvious cora is scum. Then I will spoiler the connections cora has with mocsta so you can add that to my case on mocsta, and when I flip please, please, please read it give it a chance and see where I am comeing from. If you actully read it and disagree with it fine but read it that is really all I ask. Of course this is assumeing we dont get endgame post. K Onegu what you are doing I have seen before. And some sage put it to rest. Here, I will paraphrase as it is a game in progress. Your options are, if you are town: 1: push your own lynch, then have your confirmed reads given after another round of night kills with no certainty that you are right (unless it's that good; in which case) 2: give the reads+reasons now, and if they are really really good, people may listen now and not lynch you and possibly hit scum (because this list assumes you aren't, so it's a "duh" higher chance) and if they aren't, people will discuss them and maybe figure something out from the discussion 3: focus on defending, which may or may not work and leaves town with nothing after your flip. Note, since 2 is the best option, I will have 4 be it's corruption: 4: you can give hostile reads and Rayne yourself, and even if your reads are good then because you didn't give them in a level headed manner nobody reads them even if you flip green or blue. Of course if you are scum it doesn't matter and your team should just bus you now.
I will do two, and have been. Will give a cora case before lynch. I cannot do three because I know my town play doesnt look good and I wasnt active day one due to irl reasons, so I wont defend myself from a red check, I have addressed coras case on me and showed why it is incorrect.
About Jamps case I have to do some fact checking because iirc at the time when jamp said that he agreed I thought he was talking about someone elses point on aqua not thrawn. But I will also show cora does the same thing you are calling out jamp though. 2 times cora gives merit to a case but doesnt think it is a good time.
Also the held back part he isnt talking about aqua. He is talking out cora and scib. And then talking about consolidateing if he has to, he never takes back his read. Then he gives rayn a town read but votes his scum read in aqua. Help me with your thought process when I get back, Ill post my thoughts and concerns and you let me know in a bit.
Ill be back in a bit.
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On November 26 2013 16:51 Mocsta wrote:
The held back is rean talking about sciberbia.
Lol..
And no one ever called you scummy for being afk.
Really need me to quote cora, he says I was inactive and the when called out suddenly become active.
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On November 26 2013 17:06 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 16:51 Mocsta wrote:
The held back is rean talking about sciberbia.
Lol..
And no one ever called you scummy for being afk. Really need me to quote cora, he says I was inactive and the when called out suddenly become active.
And am scummy for it.
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