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On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote: Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. | ||
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On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote: Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again. Important things for everyone to know: As town: - Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum) - Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player - Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation - Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine. The others no idea. Really? You dont know me yet? | ||
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Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. | ||
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On November 20 2013 22:21 Mocsta wrote: onegu your 3 posts, I cannot comprehend the motive behind those posts - if you are town walk me through why the items you have discussed are the most relevant items in the thread to . Umm I think you are scum with rean. Catching scum would be my motive. | ||
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On November 20 2013 22:34 Mocsta wrote: u hadn't posted yet. plus u have had a meta change for me at least since Hogwarts. what is your read on thrawn,because if you are worried about me the corollary isb that you should be worried about thraawn I am but of the two you look worse, and while it is possible two of who I consider better players in this game could be scum, ots more likely only one is and your thread control doesnt look natural. | ||
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On November 20 2013 22:40 Aquanim wrote: Well, I guess that answers my question. Is your entire scum read on Mocsta due to that business with his post limit? That and his early post about giving scum reads to like the only three people who posted. Plus his thread control doesnt seem natural, its like he saw he could do it as scum but wasnt planning on doing it but he did it anyway. Ill give more when Im back home. | ||
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On November 20 2013 23:02 Mocsta wrote: if catching scum is your motive 1. why are you not probing rean ifbhe is your scum read? 2. you haven't queired me at all to discern my alignment. ok you think I'm scum. yet, you don't make a case or probe me.. instead you run a smear campaign using fancy buzzwords and zero content. so for another time, why is this the only thing worth commenting about in the whole thread? Because I commented on my scum reads. Ill be home in a hour or so. | ||
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On November 20 2013 15:22 Mocsta wrote: Post 8 (1) I won't have a post restriction anymore, but I will be numbering my posts so I can try and force consolidation. (2) I wouldn't shoot anyone right now. JJD, Vonthin, Onegu, LM, Jampidampi have yet to post. Thats just under 50% of the game. Having said that: if I had a one-time bullet that kills scum and misses town; I would shoot between Sciberbia/Corazon/Bereft. Pur quoi? Warning MASSIVE PLAY-BY-PLAY ANALYSIS of therad + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 12:14 Bereft wrote: THE POPO AINT SHUTTIN US DOWN I find this tone overdone / try-hard. Its only a very slight negative lean. On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote: I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said. agree or disagree. Having just come out of a game as scum. I personally feel this is written with the tone of scum-scum. Sciberbia takes a position using strong descriptive words "trolly" and "ingratiating" from one post that to me - with limited knowledge - is null. Further, Sciberbia references my name.. I find this odd. I know I am town, but only scum should be aware of that too. Now: SCiberbia does not comment on my alignment here; yet, directly infers it was scummish for Corazon to "echo" what I said. On November 20 2013 12:19 Bereft wrote: explain. you're going to burn through your posts really quickly if you write 1 to 2 liners and expect the rest of us to all be on your wavelength. I find this tone too aggressive. As I stated in my retort to Bereft, scum like to interupt town circles. Thrawn is hardly confirmed to me, but of the 7 people to post, he is my best town read. I will give this a null tell by itself - however if Bereft keeps up the aggression I will be treating him as scum. On November 20 2013 12:26 sciberbia wrote: That's interesting. I assumed you were coming to the opposite conclusion, since to me his response looks more "sarcastic and dodgy" than "just saying no". What about his response strikes you as relaxed? + Show Spoiler [sarcastic and dodgy] + On November 20 2013 12:06 Mocsta wrote: Scum: a layer of dirt or froth on the surface of a liquid. No, I am not. I am a mobster, which is typically "scum" in the world of forum-mafia However, in this game, roles are reversed and of the town I am. Again, as stated before this reads to me gentle prodding: NOT for information, but to discredit. Coming back to the thread, Aquanim reads a lot more calm/composed to me so is back to null. I think Sciberbia has jumped too brashly into an opportunity to shit-sling and from a player of his analytical background I find this highly suspicious. On November 20 2013 12:27 Bereft wrote: agreed, very high chance imo. only potentially succeeded by this even more 'safe' entrance: also trolly and ingratiating because why are you smiling at me? i've no idea who you are. are you my enemy? i don't know about you, but i've come from a tough city, living on the streets, forced to make a living in any way possible. i don't smile at passerby's on the street. the only people that do, do so with a smug sneer, and they are the pigs. I have a problem with this post because its completely 180' with where my mindset is in the thread. I also do not like the interplay between Sciberbia and Bereft. I want to avoid making association reads without flips but I find Bereft is overly defensive and certainly not natural. "I've no idea who you are. are you my enemy? In one phrase: Its just over compensated. On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote: I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad. Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem. Now to my goals/early game statements: 1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either. 2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote. 3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos. On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. I saw some people give Thumbs up for this post. I thought it stunk - real bad. I think Corazon needs to use soap next time he has a shower. Its a bunch of generic policy stuff and is how I used to love playing scum (in the newbies). Technically the post is null as inexperienced town can do this and supposedly we can judge corazon based on how he implements this. My issue with this post was the last paragraph: "On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page.You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game." I find it odd that Corazon is confident enough to say that the posters on the first page are all town (Sciberbia, Bereft, Thrawn, Aquanim, Corazon, myself) and simultaneously ignore my post giving scum reads to Bereft/Sciberbia/Aquanim. I think this is damage control. On November 20 2013 12:40 cDgCorazon wrote: I'd like to say that mason falls under the role of "standard roles" and could be potentially in this set-up. Very intriguing... This might be Mocsta using moclogic.. but I treat this as a scum slip. Corazon jumps to the natural conclusion that we are both confirmed, so assumes we did it through a role = mason. I think anyone else without game knowledge can piece together we were takling about the "de ja vu" from before. At the least it shows Corazon is NOT reading the thread closely which is suspicious for this many posts. Ditto the corazon read above  On November 20 2013 12:47 Bereft wrote: he's referencing mocsta saying that i'm trying to disrupt their town circle: I will give Bereft town points here. He has arrived at the natural conclusion. So back to null. - Rean than makes a really bad introduction post, but thats null. If anything its town that usually make such "zero content" posts because they actually believe what they are saying they think it *is* content. On November 20 2013 12:52 Rean wrote: Think he means they have town reads based on previous meta or something. Not actually confirmed-confirmed. Comes to the natural conclusion albeit slightly differently. I think this is very townie though. He knows nothing of thrawn or myself... could not interpret what I meant when i said thrawn is town so assumed it was meta based. This demonstrates a guy thinking about the game. Its not anything to be confirmed town, but is a very good sign this early in the game. - Then Corazon/Sci shit the thread up. On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote: *snip* On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive? Aqua is thinking the same way I do. I like this. He is a lot more polite about his suspicions/prodding though. On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote: I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. This resposne is really bad as once again it completely ignores the content I posted about those players. Maybe I'm wrong, but at this stage of the game it illicits a response regardless. Horse blinkers like these are not a good sign this early on. On November 20 2013 13:00 sciberbia wrote: + Show Spoiler [cora] + On November 20 2013 12:52 cDgCorazon wrote: My post basically said "so you are claiming mason? interesting..." Your post said "you are mason?" So I guess you could say that a lack of reaction is a difference. But it's not like we "aren't saying at all the same thing". @cora You made the assumption that he was claiming mason and commented on its plausibility. I found that assumption troubling, and asked him if he was in fact claiming mason. + Show Spoiler [cora] + I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. @cora Guilty as charged. I dislike random bullshit phase. Just because most games start with a bunch of trolling doesn't mean we have to. I think we're actually doing quite well so far. Personal heuristic but I find early game its only scum that use phrases like this. "I think we're actually doing quite well so far" How the heck does town have a guage on what is good/bad when only 50% of the players have participated. On November 20 2013 13:01 Bereft wrote: and what's wrong with rocking the boat ridiculously early in the game? did you notice that mocsta also did the same thing? according to him, from the 1st page, aqua, sciberia, and I are scum. do you only take issue with sciberia's page 1 analysis only because it's about you? Bereft is either comfortable distancing team mates, or is town. - I am not familiar enough with his meta to make an opinion yet. I like that he picks up on this stuff to corazon that I already identified earlier. Still null. On November 20 2013 13:04 cDgCorazon wrote: Where in that post do I say he is claiming mason? I was making a comment on the possibility of there being a mason after thrawn's post. If it had said in the OP "no masons in this game", then wouldn't it be suspicious? You're grasping at straws here bro. The only thing I've seen from the early game is that you are looking pretty scummy right now. I dunno, this is just too haste from Corazon. Everyone knows he is "sensitive" and prone to OMGUS so it does dilute the read a touch, however, I can't keep getting over this is scum-to-scum interaction. "You're grasping at straws" + "you are looking pretty scummy" are strong words and stances, yet, does it really read like Corazon is *trying* to get Sciberbia lynched? I dont sense congruence here. Again, scum-to-scum interactions I think... - I like the way Aquanim is prodding Rean. On November 20 2013 13:07 cDgCorazon wrote: He didn't do it with just me. He told Moc and I that it was scummy that we made troll posts. At least Mocsta was direct in saying who he thought was scummy instead of sciberia who is only doing a "window looking" version of scum hunting. This post is null to me. Corazon reads very emotional so its hard to understand motive. On November 20 2013 13:14 Bereft wrote: he wasn't actually calling mocsta scum. just you. i don't see the distinction between mocsta's explicitly stating and sciberia's "window looking". how were they different? could you expand pls? Bereft is starting to look better as is reading the actual content behind the queries. Rean does the same. - I entirely agreed with Thrawn vote at that time On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote: Excellent post from Aquanim. If hes scum, hes playing a great game because hes asking the questions that are in my head as Im reading it. That is very hard to do as scum.@Corazon I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present. On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote: He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. I think this is a scum-slip. Corazon is too assertive in his read and this goes beyond emotion. When I read this, I take it as someone who is speaking "matter of fact". This is enough for me to be 90% confident that both Sciberbia and Corazon are scum. There is no way that enough content has been delivered in this thread for a town person to jump to such a strong conclusion as this. Event hough I think Sciberbia is scummy, I do think he came in here with the intention to troll like this. I was just posting a theory. On November 20 2013 13:40 sciberbia wrote: Do you find this behavior suspicious from Aquanim or are you simply making an observation? The question is fair, however, in context of thread events this is aterrible post. Corazon is slamming into Sciberbia, and this is what Sciberbia thinks is relevant to discuss? WTF? On November 20 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote: @Thrawn When I made that post, I was thinking along the lines of "I think sci's actions are looking pretty scummy." In my opinion, if he was trying to create a good town atmosphere in the start, he did a very poor job of doing so. That's why I was thinking (and still am) that sciberia is scum. This post does not align with his strong opinion in the previous post. Im starting to sound tunneled because I am now so so so certain Corazon and Sciberbia are scum. On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote: I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.) As for scum, I'm not sure yet. Not enough information. I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next. I still want an answer to this from you: I am not a fan of Aquanim for this interpretation however, I also know he is more calculated than I am so can accept a town Aquanim may play out the thread like this. Im going to go null but will be curious how Aquanim chooses to interpret this massive post and my conclusions. On November 20 2013 13:46 cDgCorazon wrote: Would you vote someone on being the "least townie"? Talking about town reads is only good to high-five and pat each other on the back and compliment each other's town play. It doesn't get scum lynched. More generics from Corazon. Importantly, he just called Sciberbia scum last page and now is acting as if nothing happened. Deffo scum On November 20 2013 13:57 sciberbia wrote: @Rean What is your strongest scumread right now and why? Again, he also dodges the shit-ball fight of Corazon. Some may argue that is towny to avoid this and not shit the thread. However, the key differentiator I find is that if town choose that approach they would also ACKNOWLEDGE the existence of the read. Sciberbia just dodges it and hopes no one brings it up further. Very bad. On November 20 2013 13:57 Rean wrote: This guy is interesting. As scum I think I would phrase things similar to this guy because there is always an 'out'. I think in this instance, this is a townie with an opinion speaking naturally and as the thought comes to his mind. Can evaluate him more if the flips on Corazon/Sciberbia go awry - which I doubt.Persuasive...it's a good argument. Sciberbia was being more laidback, trying to avoid comitting to anything, so it definitely makes him look scummy. Overall the kind of argument that gets discussion started and gets us somewhere useful, I quite like it. Guess persuasive would be a decent way to describe it. In short I am very comfortable to lynch Corazon and Sciberbia. I would lynch Corazon because him trying to wriggle out of it will be more fun/alignment-revealing in my opinion. ##Vote: cDgCorazon and to answer your question, I would shoot Sciberbia as he is the other half. [/QUOTE] Im going to go over your reads here and just ask you how you came to these because alot were null to me or the exact opposite of what you wrote so lets go. 1 hes trying to be clever there is nothing to be overdone and there is no way a troll post like this can be scummy, fuck the police was already taken... 2 why cant sciberia find the repeat and calling of you obv town scummy, but your troll post null as it was the first post in the thread? You getting that it is scum-scum interaction I dont understand how you get that read from this post. 3 how is this agressive, you put a pregame post restriction, then start the game numbering your posts, seems like you are going to keep your post restriction up. Calling you out for it isnt agressive its correct when all your first few posts are trolling. 4 this is fine 5 he made a troll response how is that overcompensated? Doesnt make sense and him not thinking the same as you is a scum read? 6 the first part of this is correct that post was null, the second part you can only get so much info from the first page and alot of page one was trolling. Telling someone to keep looking isnt scummy, its not damage control. 7 How is this a scumslip, 2 different people thought you were masons, I know you kinda think they are both scum at this point, but when you drop lines about being connected with thrawn people might think you are masoned, no way this is a scumslip. 8 again not a scumslip 9 reans first post is uber scummy. It fakes agreeing with coras null post, and then says nothing and there is no way he thinks he is saying something meaningful. 10 iirc you had already said you werent masons so he says the only other option how is that townie? 12 meh ok 12b also fine 13 you do the samething later on when you talking about haveing such a good town atmospher so how can you give him scum points for this? 14 syas nothing why you post this, I dont know his meta so this poat means nothing... 15 still dont know how you are seeing scum scum intreactions here. Maybe you are just tunneled at this point. Also at this point you say you like aqua calling out rean. 16 again why post a completely null post? 17 This is fine, but you are like he agrees with me that mean hes awesome town 18 this has been talked about already, why are you so tunneled on scum-scum here doesnt make since. 19 the post is good that means the timeing is fine also, even if I am argueing with someone and I see something that needs questioned I will question it reguardless of what else is going on 20 admit to being tunneled 21 this is fine 22 tunneled 23 meh no point in continueing on with cora, him moveing on is fine and how he did it was fine. 24 really wishywashy post but also slightly dinstanceing himself from rean while giveing him a town read at the same time. I think this is really scummy from you mocsta. Your thoughts on rean is just really odd. | ||
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On November 21 2013 03:47 Mocsta wrote: Wow Onegu really knows how to shit the thread. Those reads were made void a long time ago. If you want to stop wasting the time of a bunch of other people in the thread spoiler shit. There was no need for those reads to be unspoilered from their original state. I just pushed quote and then wrote. And alot of what I wrote stands true as your motives for writeing them are still real and they havent changed. And your reasons for makeing those reads are scummy. | ||
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On November 21 2013 03:52 Mocsta wrote: Hes scum claiming. Its impossible for anyone that played with me in Mafia LXIII to think i am scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Mocsta for any doubters Dont talk about ongoing games. | ||
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On November 21 2013 03:59 Mocsta wrote: Chortle You realise you are getting lynched Day2 after Aquanim? Why not day 1 day one and aqua isnt scummy rean is so much worse than him. | ||
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On November 21 2013 05:33 cDgCorazon wrote: Onegu, I know you are better at this game then your case on me. You fail to look at anything I have said about those posts and the information/logic you are using to vote for me is nothing original. I have not seen anything original in that case which leaves me worried about whether you are scum or not. The whole game you've done nothing productive to the town. That case was so bad it's anti-productive. Try harder. I never made a case on you its a case on mocsta where the quote tags got messed up somehow... | ||
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On November 21 2013 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well this answer is much better in case it's true. I didn't even read Onegu's post because i know 98% from it can't possibly make anyone scum. Didnt you say the samething in WC, and iirc sylencia was like then shouldnt you read it for the 2%. Anyway I will be around on and off all day, Will be on and off through the day my son has a doctors appointment. I am still reading from last night | ||
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