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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 20:51 GMT
#1945
my mocsta case


my defense to cora
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 20:52 GMT
#1946
On November 26 2013 05:48 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 05:46 Onegu wrote:
On November 26 2013 05:42 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 26 2013 04:28 Onegu wrote:
On November 21 2013 05:33 cDgCorazon wrote:
Onegu, I know you are better at this game then your case on me. You fail to look at anything I have said about those posts and the information/logic you are using to vote for me is nothing original. I have not seen anything original in that case which leaves me worried about whether you are scum or not.

The whole game you've done nothing productive to the town. That case was so bad it's anti-productive. Try harder.



Cora earlier you had responded to the mocsta case that I posted, yet then you thought my post was a new case with old arguements, how did you not see it was the exact same case you had defended yourself from earlier?

Because you fail at BBCode



Did you read it or just glance at it? I mean yes I fail at bbc code but why wasnt it obvious it wasnt the same case you had defended yourself from already? The top part of it looked exactly the same. From what you wrote it looks like you at least look at it because you say those are old arguements and I bring nothing new to the table.

I've looked at that post 5 times and outside of the part where you talked about Mocsta's posts at the end, I have no clue what is your writing and what is Mocsta's.



All mocsta, mine is only the part at the bottom.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 20:54 GMT
#1948
Its mocsta who failed at bbc code in his spoiler btw not me
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 21:00 GMT
#1950
On November 26 2013 05:52 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 05:52 Onegu wrote:
On November 26 2013 05:48 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 26 2013 05:46 Onegu wrote:
On November 26 2013 05:42 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 26 2013 04:28 Onegu wrote:
On November 21 2013 05:33 cDgCorazon wrote:
Onegu, I know you are better at this game then your case on me. You fail to look at anything I have said about those posts and the information/logic you are using to vote for me is nothing original. I have not seen anything original in that case which leaves me worried about whether you are scum or not.

The whole game you've done nothing productive to the town. That case was so bad it's anti-productive. Try harder.



Cora earlier you had responded to the mocsta case that I posted, yet then you thought my post was a new case with old arguements, how did you not see it was the exact same case you had defended yourself from earlier?

Because you fail at BBCode



Did you read it or just glance at it? I mean yes I fail at bbc code but why wasnt it obvious it wasnt the same case you had defended yourself from already? The top part of it looked exactly the same. From what you wrote it looks like you at least look at it because you say those are old arguements and I bring nothing new to the table.

I've looked at that post 5 times and outside of the part where you talked about Mocsta's posts at the end, I have no clue what is your writing and what is Mocsta's.



All mocsta, mine is only the part at the bottom.

You mean the part where you go

1 analysis
2 analysis
3 analysis

and so on?



Yeah thats me at the bottom with the numbers, the rest is mocstas case that you had already responded to. Just trying to see why you didnt know they were the exact same points already brought up against you and that you responded to.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 21:00 GMT
#1951
Ebwop exact same words.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 21:06 GMT
#1953
On November 26 2013 05:56 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 05:54 Onegu wrote:
Its mocsta who failed at bbc code in his spoiler btw not me

Well I wrote that post you quoted because I thought it was a case on me. If you were reading you would've seen that I realized that.


Trust me Im reading very close. You wont like what I found since I will prove you are scum, since its 4am Im going to give you the big things now, and do a full case like mocsta where I dont cherrypick and show all your scummyness tomorrow, but since I am now right onto the real scumteam I might be shot tonight.


Preview
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Mocsta, cDgCorazon, rean/alakaslam
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 21:09 GMT
#1955
On November 26 2013 06:01 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 06:00 Onegu wrote:
On November 26 2013 05:52 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 26 2013 05:52 Onegu wrote:
On November 26 2013 05:48 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 26 2013 05:46 Onegu wrote:
On November 26 2013 05:42 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 26 2013 04:28 Onegu wrote:
On November 21 2013 05:33 cDgCorazon wrote:
Onegu, I know you are better at this game then your case on me. You fail to look at anything I have said about those posts and the information/logic you are using to vote for me is nothing original. I have not seen anything original in that case which leaves me worried about whether you are scum or not.

The whole game you've done nothing productive to the town. That case was so bad it's anti-productive. Try harder.



Cora earlier you had responded to the mocsta case that I posted, yet then you thought my post was a new case with old arguements, how did you not see it was the exact same case you had defended yourself from earlier?

Because you fail at BBCode



Did you read it or just glance at it? I mean yes I fail at bbc code but why wasnt it obvious it wasnt the same case you had defended yourself from already? The top part of it looked exactly the same. From what you wrote it looks like you at least look at it because you say those are old arguements and I bring nothing new to the table.

I've looked at that post 5 times and outside of the part where you talked about Mocsta's posts at the end, I have no clue what is your writing and what is Mocsta's.



All mocsta, mine is only the part at the bottom.

You mean the part where you go

1 analysis
2 analysis
3 analysis

and so on?



Yeah thats me at the bottom with the numbers, the rest is mocstas case that you had already responded to. Just trying to see why you didnt know they were the exact same points already brought up against you and that you responded to.

Because the BBCode was so bad I didn't know what was yours and what was Mocsta's. You're not going anywhere with this.



Its not that important just you answered the same exact worded questions already, just shows you arent actually reading the thread. but in your filter you never link the case and give a bad defense, I dont think that case was real as alot of the points were bad, and so early in day one, also mocsta never followed it up.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 21:10 GMT
#1956
Finish my notes then give you guys why cora is scum. Then sleep.
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Onegu
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United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 21:25 GMT
#1959
On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.

I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.

That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one".



Ok first look at the bolded part. Im not going to make a case and vote because people only skim them and read them fully only when they think I am scum. How is this a townies mindset? He is worried about people makeing a case on him. This does not come from someone townie. Now look at the underlined part, there is no reason to make a case this early as they never stick. What out giveing someone pressure and makeing them answer questions with a early case and getting a read on them.


Cora answer me this what is really so bad with cases and votes in the first few hours of day one?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 21:29 GMT
#1960
On November 26 2013 06:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Onegu,

Your case turned me off after two things.

1: you double quoted a long Mocsta post
2: you attack Mocsta for both attacking my slot and defending it. What would be the townie reaction?

It would be great for such a long case to distract a replace as scum, otherwise, are you certain there is no summary?



Did you read it all? Ill link you to the tl;dr it might be hard to follow but the points are good. Like mocsta defending jamp to rayn for tunneling on aqua. Then makeing a case on jamp for tunneling aqua.

And dont get all up on me for double quoteing when phone posting.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 21:32 GMT
#1962
my tldr
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 21:33 GMT
#1963
On November 26 2013 06:31 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 06:25 Onegu wrote:
On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.

I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.

That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one".



Ok first look at the bolded part. Im not going to make a case and vote because people only skim them and read them fully only when they think I am scum. How is this a townies mindset? He is worried about people makeing a case on him. This does not come from someone townie. Now look at the underlined part, there is no reason to make a case this early as they never stick. What out giveing someone pressure and makeing them answer questions with a early case and getting a read on them.


Cora answer me this what is really so bad with cases and votes in the first few hours of day one?


Did you see any votes that lasted from the first few hours of D1 all the way to the deadline? No.

Also, I only mentioned votes, not cases. I'm fine with cases and pressure/questioning in the early bits of D1. Why did you blatantly twist my words there? It is because you are scum trying to fake a scum read on me in order to push the agenda of getting me lynched.

Town has to find reasons that people are scum.
Scum have to make up reasons that people are scum.

The fact that Onegu tried to twist my words so that it appeared to have me say that I did not like pressure/cases early D1 is a clear sign that he is scum.



Why dont you like votes on people?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 21:34 GMT
#1964
Dont you think votes add to the pressure?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 21:47 GMT
#1966
On November 21 2013 01:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
On Aqua (again):

My problem with Aquanim is that he goes from a very neutral stance on me:

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote:
On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please.

I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.)
As for scum, I'm not sure yet. Not enough information.

I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next.

I still want an answer to this from you:
On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:
Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far?


Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says.

@Rean
Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment?



To an all-out "he's scum!" stance without really having a transition between the two stances. It really troubles me that this was only after all of the cases on me came out. It just looks like Aqua just wants to follow thread sentiment for the big issues and branch out only for things related to his "reads". For example, his case on Rean screams to me that he wants to attack Rean for defending me. His case is weak and he blatantly lies about Rean's questioning of him and calls them not important when in fact he failed to read the reason they were asked in the first place:

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please.


It's obvious that Aquanim did not read the reason that Rean threw out this post and simply calls Rean scummy for asking this question. This was a good post because Rean wanted to continue discussion and get a read on Aqua who he had felt was not contributing enough information and enough opinions to the conversation. The fact that Aqua calls this scummy is absurd and can only be attributed to his own scumminess.

TL;DR
Changes opinion on me to follow thread sentiment
Attacks Rean (and says his question about town/scum reads accomplishes nothing when in fact it does) for defending me
This guy is scum

I'm confident enough in this case to throw a ##Vote: Aquanim out.




Because this was your next post, and I was trapping you, look at time stamps people 16 minutes after that post about not voteing people, you think this case was meant to lynch Aqua 2 hours 16 minutes into the game? And then I ask him here and he confirms.

Baby Seals would be nice.

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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 21:48 GMT
#1967
##Dunked
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 21:58 GMT
#1972
On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.

I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.

That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one".


November 21 2013 01:00


On November 21 2013 01:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
On Aqua (again):

My problem with Aquanim is that he goes from a very neutral stance on me:

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote:
On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please.

I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.)
As for scum, I'm not sure yet. Not enough information.

I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next.

I still want an answer to this from you:
On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:
Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far?


Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says.

@Rean
Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment?



To an all-out "he's scum!" stance without really having a transition between the two stances. It really troubles me that this was only after all of the cases on me came out. It just looks like Aqua just wants to follow thread sentiment for the big issues and branch out only for things related to his "reads". For example, his case on Rean screams to me that he wants to attack Rean for defending me. His case is weak and he blatantly lies about Rean's questioning of him and calls them not important when in fact he failed to read the reason they were asked in the first place:

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please.


It's obvious that Aquanim did not read the reason that Rean threw out this post and simply calls Rean scummy for asking this question. This was a good post because Rean wanted to continue discussion and get a read on Aqua who he had felt was not contributing enough information and enough opinions to the conversation. The fact that Aqua calls this scummy is absurd and can only be attributed to his own scumminess.

TL;DR
Changes opinion on me to follow thread sentiment
Attacks Rean (and says his question about town/scum reads accomplishes nothing when in fact it does) for defending me
This guy is scum

I'm confident enough in this case to throw a ##Vote: Aquanim out.


November 21 2013 01:16

Soooo

16minutes apart.

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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 22:01 GMT
#1973
Im waiting for baby seals cora.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 22:11 GMT
#1976
Anyway now 5am, you can thank me for solveing the game with a mafia shot. If not Full case on cora for day 3 believe me there is so much more like the part in his filter where he claims to be not reading. Says my case on mocsta is great but we shouldnt lynch mocsta d2. There is a part in there where he talks about me not careing but words it from a scum PoV. Also you need to look at his post about it being difficult for him to vote rayn. And thats not even includeing his cases.

Plus I truely think he is being such a ass in this game as scum agenda, I cannot believe he is town and acting the way he has been.

Anyway sleep now way past my bedtime thats what I get for staying up reading his 14 page filter and tldr every post in my notebook and add my thoughts. Pics postgame, have mocstas also, but coras is bigger. That sounded bad.

Ok sleep

Baby seals.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 05:32 GMT
#2055
HAHAHA, YES IM EXPECTING POST GAME CONGRATS CORA! . I nailed the scumteam but am too scummy to get out of this lynch with a fake red check on me.

Will make the cora case later today, suggest we go to a 24 hour day though. Yes I dont think I was framed because a cora didnt gave a n1 check and cora is scum. Also since it is mylo scum are setting up a mislynch on HF day 4 because he missed his save.

Will respond to mocstas response to my case now.

Rean is my least sure read it is basicly connection to mocsta, and cora, but that can only truely be done after cora and mocstas flips. If you are a vigi and somehow not shot yet this is mylo. My mislynch and a scum nightkill is gg. You have to shoot cora, dont shoot into the lurkers shoot the person who claimed a red check on the person who knew was going to make a case on him day 3. And most likely caught the scum team. Read my case yes it might be long but read it and read coras filter for yourself then shoot cora or its gg.

Also the cora thing last night was a mistake, I wasnt lieing like he claims but for some reason I thought he was saying its only 2 hours into the game Im not going to make a vote, it was 2 hours into a game, thats what staying up late to filter dive does I guess. But I still stand on the bolded part I made no way that comes from a town PoV. But really that is only a small mistake and my case is really legit. Alot of the stuff he posts cannot come from a town PoV like that bolded part..

Anyway I will say gg to scum, but really because I had irl stuff day 1 and need to learn to post my cases better, scum won.



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If I am correct of course, if not correct in at least cora and mocsta then really well played scum. I really think I am correct as I put alot of effort into this game from behind the scenes as you will see post game when I show pics of my note book.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 05:35 GMT
#2056
On November 26 2013 13:49 cDgCorazon wrote:
Also, the fact that Mocsta is still alive basically means HF/Onegu are scum.

Scenarios: HF/Onegu are town, scum would kill Mocsta to have us mislynch one of them

HF/Onegu are town, scum would not kill Mocsta would be a bad play b/c Mocsta is a great analysis player and has no pressure from anyone outside of HF/Onegu

HF/Onegu are scum, they kill Mocsta and expose themselves as scum because they've tunneled a townie the whole game and are out of reads

HF/Onegu are scum, they let Mocsta live so they can continue to tunnel him and fake activity/scumhunting

It's the last one. HF/Onegu have put all of their eggs in the Mocsta basket and forces them to keep him alive

@Alakaslam:
You seem to understand Chezinu's dialect of English- is there anything magical that he has said that looks townie to you?



Or Onegu/HF town, Mocsta scum, which is the case.
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