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On November 21 2013 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 03:22 Rean wrote:On November 21 2013 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2013 03:16 Rean wrote:On November 21 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2013 03:04 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 16:55 sciberbia wrote:
EBWOP
Oh yea one other I wanted to reply to was your criticism that I ignored Cora for a while. I stopped prodding Cora because other people were doing a fine job of it and I thought it'd be more productive for them to ask questions such as "explain why you think this about sciberbia" than me doing it. Also I was getting increasingly suspicious of him so I decided to just observe and include my comprehensive thoughts in a later case.
I didn't want to miss the opportunity to question Rean who is probably my second strongest read right now. I find Aquanim's above post on him agreeable. Apparently I'm his second strongest scumread, yet all he's done is ask me a single question very early on in the thread. He has made practically no effort to actually do anything about his "second strongest scum-read". I don't like this at all. Please do explain Sciberbia. Rean this post is sciberbia's second last post in this game so far. How is it possible for sciberbia to make some effort into questioning you more when he hasn't posted since? I think you are twisting the situation to fit your agenda of calling him scum for no reason. Because this looks like a really stretched accusation. I'm not calling him a damn thing >.> I'm saying it's bullshit that he goes around saying I'm his second-strongest scumread while he hasn't done anything about it, it feels dodgy to me. But I don't want to push this issue any further without giving him a chance to defend himself or explain. Well how could he possibly have done anything about it because he has not posted since? Neither before nor after he did anything about it. That's why I said it feels odd...but as I've said twice already, I want to see his response to this. Maybe you're right and he just wanted his opinion to be known. We'll know once he gets in here. It is the first time he says you are his second strongest scum-read. Probably because of something you said. So there is no possible way he can prod you before you say something that makes him think so. Furthermore i don't understand how you find that "odd" or "dodgy". I could understand it if sciberbia had posted 10 times after he called you out and those posts were about something other than his top scumread. But i do not understand the approach you are taking here - asking him "why am your second strongest scum-read" would be totally fine - but you are accusing him of having you as a scumread when there is no possible way he could have explained himself. So yeah, i think that comment of yours regarding sciberbia is really scummy.
Uhm, isn't that exactly what he said? I find it dodgy because he just randomly mentioned it out of the blue without any real reasoning or anything, which is why I called it out and was/am waiting for him to elaborate. I'm not calling him scum yet or anything, I just want to see him explain and make sure that he can't just come on and forget about it or anything.
On November 21 2013 03:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 03:22 Rean wrote:
Neither before nor after he did anything about it. That's why I said it feels odd...but as I've said twice already, I want to see his response to this. Maybe you're right and he just wanted his opinion to be known. We'll know once he gets in here.
Seems like a wierd statement. What will we know exactly once he gets in here? Whether he really thinks you're scummy or whether he was lying about it?
Yes, I want him to elaborate on it. Having a scum-read on someone typically has a reason and I'd love to know his. Once he actually answers we'll have something to talk about.
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On November 21 2013 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah my problem with Aqua is not his case on Rean. My problem is that based on what he posted after that i think he should be voting for Corazon instead of Rean. That's really weird.
Exactly. He votes me because "I wanted to start a second bandwagon", it seems like a ridiculous argument to me and an excuse to not commit too heavily to voting for me, continuing the non-commiting playstyle I already called him out on earlier.
But for now I want to give him a chance to defend himself while looking at some other people.
Onegu, please, while I don't think (yet) that you're an idiot or anything, change the way your posting, your arguments are annoying as hell to read. Step up the quality please.
Also, you've called me "very scumm" "uber scummy" but as far as I can tell that's only based off of my first post? (maybe I missed something in the post by post of Mocsta but don't think so).
Other than that, Lonemeow is lurking hard. Whether he's simply not around or choosing to lay low I don't know but I want to hear some more.
To get discussion started: top scumread + who do you want to know more about?
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On November 21 2013 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Rean, since you apparently are not answering JarJar's case i would like you to explain the following things: - At the start ofthe game you said you will not tolerate spam/one-liners/shitting up the thread etc. Then you proceed on acting just like you said people should not act. Why?
- Why do you actually think Corazon and sciberbia are scum?
- After you call Cora/scib your strongest scumreads in the next post you vote for Aquanim. Now you are saying you agree with thrawn/my reasoning. Yet thrawn's reasoning was already in thread and what you said about my reasoning (Aqua voting for you while he should logically vote for Cora) later on contradicts yourself in what you said earlier (as that's not what you said). Explain that.
- Why are you refusing to answer JJD's case? Don't you think bad/wrong cases should be shut down or what's the reason?
I did answer one point that I felt needed to be adressed, 'kinda forgot about the others.
1. I don't see what you mean with this. While some of my posts were short and to the point, I don't think it's a problem. I prefer not to write endless paragraphs if a short and simple answer suffices. And they definitely weren't spam/shitting up the thread.
2. On Cora: at the time cases on him seemed convincing and he felt off. But after rereading his filter I don't feel so strongly anymore, he's actively participating and his logic isn't too bad.
On Scib: I don't like how he's constantly trying to follow others with posts like + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 12:49 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:44 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!
mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other @thrawn You are masons? Thx for piggybacking on my post. I really appreciate it. I didnt' 'piggyback' on your post. Our posts aren't saying at all the same thing. On November 20 2013 15:37 sciberbia wrote:
@Mocsta
You're wrong about me but I think you may very well be right about Cora. I resent that you stole my thunder though -- almost done a case on him.
@thrawn
I legitimately thought Cora was the scummiest person in the thread at the time (if by the tiniest of margins). My intention was mainly to get interesting discussion started. On November 20 2013 16:55 sciberbia wrote:
EBWOP
Oh yea one other I wanted to reply to was your criticism that I ignored Cora for a while. I stopped prodding Cora because other people were doing a fine job of it and I thought it'd be more productive for them to ask questions such as "explain why you think this about sciberbia" than me doing it. Also I was getting increasingly suspicious of him so I decided to just observe and include my comprehensive thoughts in a later case.
I didn't want to miss the opportunity to question Rean who is probably my second strongest read right now. I find Aquanim's above post on him agreeable.
Just feels to me like he's only going for people others are already going for, dodgy. But still waiting for him to explain his suspicion of me like I said before.
3. Again, I don't follow. I said the Cora/Scib part while also putting suspicion on Aqua because of his playstyle, trying to pressure him. And the way he responded to the pressure really gave me heavy scumvibes, enough to vote for him.
4. I already adressed a point I felt was him taking things wrongly.
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On November 21 2013 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 06:03 Rean wrote:On November 21 2013 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Rean, since you apparently are not answering JarJar's case i would like you to explain the following things: - At the start ofthe game you said you will not tolerate spam/one-liners/shitting up the thread etc. Then you proceed on acting just like you said people should not act. Why?
- Why do you actually think Corazon and sciberbia are scum?
- After you call Cora/scib your strongest scumreads in the next post you vote for Aquanim. Now you are saying you agree with thrawn/my reasoning. Yet thrawn's reasoning was already in thread and what you said about my reasoning (Aqua voting for you while he should logically vote for Cora) later on contradicts yourself in what you said earlier (as that's not what you said). Explain that.
- Why are you refusing to answer JJD's case? Don't you think bad/wrong cases should be shut down or what's the reason?
I did answer one point that I felt needed to be adressed, 'kinda forgot about the others. 1. I don't see what you mean with this. While some of my posts were short and to the point, I don't think it's a problem. I prefer not to write endless paragraphs if a short and simple answer suffices. And they definitely weren't spam/shitting up the thread. 2. On Cora: at the time cases on him seemed convincing and he felt off. But after rereading his filter I don't feel so strongly anymore, he's actively participating and his logic isn't too bad. On Scib: I don't like how he's constantly trying to follow others with posts like + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 12:49 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:44 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!
mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other @thrawn You are masons? Thx for piggybacking on my post. I really appreciate it. I didnt' 'piggyback' on your post. Our posts aren't saying at all the same thing. On November 20 2013 15:37 sciberbia wrote:
@Mocsta
You're wrong about me but I think you may very well be right about Cora. I resent that you stole my thunder though -- almost done a case on him.
@thrawn
I legitimately thought Cora was the scummiest person in the thread at the time (if by the tiniest of margins). My intention was mainly to get interesting discussion started. On November 20 2013 16:55 sciberbia wrote:
EBWOP
Oh yea one other I wanted to reply to was your criticism that I ignored Cora for a while. I stopped prodding Cora because other people were doing a fine job of it and I thought it'd be more productive for them to ask questions such as "explain why you think this about sciberbia" than me doing it. Also I was getting increasingly suspicious of him so I decided to just observe and include my comprehensive thoughts in a later case.
I didn't want to miss the opportunity to question Rean who is probably my second strongest read right now. I find Aquanim's above post on him agreeable. Just feels to me like he's only going for people others are already going for, dodgy. But still waiting for him to explain his suspicion of me like I said before. 3. Again, I don't follow. I said the Cora/Scib part while also putting suspicion on Aqua because of his playstyle, trying to pressure him. And the way he responded to the pressure really gave me heavy scumvibes, enough to vote for him. 4. I already adressed a point I felt was him taking things wrongly. 1) You gave answers like "Mocsta said this and that" and "Mocsta could be town or he could be scum". How is that supposed to help people think what do you think about people when you are not giving straight answers? 2) So you felt Cora was scummy because of what other people said but then sciberbia was scummy because he seemed to be agreeing a lot with what other people said? Aren't you clearly contradicting yourself here? 3) I mean you liked thrawn's reasoning (also see (2), why is scib scummy then?). It was already in thread but at that time you still listed Cora/scib over Aquanim. Then you used completely different reasoning on Aquanim's post and later on "corrected" the reasoning into fitting what i said about that post. So, aren't you doing exactly the same things you think sciberbia is scum for?
1. I said what I was thinking. If I thought they were leaning town or scum I'd say so but I didnt so. Perhaps not as decisive as others but I spoke my mind, can't ask for more?
2. There's a difference between agreeing with others and trying to find scum yourself aswell and just piggybacking of others 24/7, which I feel is what Scib is doing.
3. Can you quote the specific posts please? Having a hard time understanding what exactly you are on about
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On November 21 2013 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 06:23 Rean wrote:On November 21 2013 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2013 06:03 Rean wrote:On November 21 2013 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Rean, since you apparently are not answering JarJar's case i would like you to explain the following things: - At the start ofthe game you said you will not tolerate spam/one-liners/shitting up the thread etc. Then you proceed on acting just like you said people should not act. Why?
- Why do you actually think Corazon and sciberbia are scum?
- After you call Cora/scib your strongest scumreads in the next post you vote for Aquanim. Now you are saying you agree with thrawn/my reasoning. Yet thrawn's reasoning was already in thread and what you said about my reasoning (Aqua voting for you while he should logically vote for Cora) later on contradicts yourself in what you said earlier (as that's not what you said). Explain that.
- Why are you refusing to answer JJD's case? Don't you think bad/wrong cases should be shut down or what's the reason?
I did answer one point that I felt needed to be adressed, 'kinda forgot about the others. 1. I don't see what you mean with this. While some of my posts were short and to the point, I don't think it's a problem. I prefer not to write endless paragraphs if a short and simple answer suffices. And they definitely weren't spam/shitting up the thread. 2. On Cora: at the time cases on him seemed convincing and he felt off. But after rereading his filter I don't feel so strongly anymore, he's actively participating and his logic isn't too bad. On Scib: I don't like how he's constantly trying to follow others with posts like + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 12:49 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:44 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!
mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other @thrawn You are masons? Thx for piggybacking on my post. I really appreciate it. I didnt' 'piggyback' on your post. Our posts aren't saying at all the same thing. On November 20 2013 15:37 sciberbia wrote:
@Mocsta
You're wrong about me but I think you may very well be right about Cora. I resent that you stole my thunder though -- almost done a case on him.
@thrawn
I legitimately thought Cora was the scummiest person in the thread at the time (if by the tiniest of margins). My intention was mainly to get interesting discussion started. On November 20 2013 16:55 sciberbia wrote:
EBWOP
Oh yea one other I wanted to reply to was your criticism that I ignored Cora for a while. I stopped prodding Cora because other people were doing a fine job of it and I thought it'd be more productive for them to ask questions such as "explain why you think this about sciberbia" than me doing it. Also I was getting increasingly suspicious of him so I decided to just observe and include my comprehensive thoughts in a later case.
I didn't want to miss the opportunity to question Rean who is probably my second strongest read right now. I find Aquanim's above post on him agreeable. Just feels to me like he's only going for people others are already going for, dodgy. But still waiting for him to explain his suspicion of me like I said before. 3. Again, I don't follow. I said the Cora/Scib part while also putting suspicion on Aqua because of his playstyle, trying to pressure him. And the way he responded to the pressure really gave me heavy scumvibes, enough to vote for him. 4. I already adressed a point I felt was him taking things wrongly. 1) You gave answers like "Mocsta said this and that" and "Mocsta could be town or he could be scum". How is that supposed to help people think what do you think about people when you are not giving straight answers? 2) So you felt Cora was scummy because of what other people said but then sciberbia was scummy because he seemed to be agreeing a lot with what other people said? Aren't you clearly contradicting yourself here? 3) I mean you liked thrawn's reasoning (also see (2), why is scib scummy then?). It was already in thread but at that time you still listed Cora/scib over Aquanim. Then you used completely different reasoning on Aquanim's post and later on "corrected" the reasoning into fitting what i said about that post. So, aren't you doing exactly the same things you think sciberbia is scum for? 1. I said what I was thinking. If I thought they were leaning town or scum I'd say so but I didnt so. Perhaps not as decisive as others but I spoke my mind, can't ask for more? 2. There's a difference between agreeing with others and trying to find scum yourself aswell and just piggybacking of others 24/7, which I feel is what Scib is doing. 3. Can you quote the specific posts please? Having a hard time understanding what exactly you are on about 1) Well we have to agree to disagree. I think you have a lot of posts that say nothing. 2) Those posts you quoted are definitely not "piggybacking others". Actually they are the opposite. 3) I mean this: Here is where you agree with thrawn's case: Show nested quote +This, combined with what Thrawn already said (not gonna waste time parroting), really gives me a bad feeling about you. This is what you talk about Aquanim's vote on you: Show nested quote +You're put under pressure and you instantly accuse me to try to prove me wrong about you, but 2 posts later you're already looking for arguments to back out of it. And then you go for Corazon with some not terribly convincing arguments. You are saying Aqua is OMGUSing you and then presenting himself an out in the first place. What i say later is Aquanim by his logic should be voting for Corazon and not Rean. You then say "yes that's what i was saying" while you are not saying the same thing at all. What you say and what i say are two definitely different things.
Yeah, you're right, my bad. It's not the same as what you said but I was agreeing with you, he votes for me instead of Cora just to get a second bandwagon going which to me just feels like a really shitty excuse.
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On November 21 2013 08:22 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is a big problem with that because you should be voting for your top scumread.
What's your case on Rean again? Once again, my scumread on Rean was of almost equal strength to that which I had on Corazon. The reason I spent so much time talking about Corazon was because 1) I was being asked about my read on Corazon a lot 2) Rean wasn't in the thread so my vote on him had not yet elicited a response My case on Rean is essentially that: 1) The only thing he's done to try to draw out any information from the thread was to ask me for a scumread, which is a very easy thing for scum to think of and ask. Besides that, he's done nothing useful. 2) His answers to questions were short and didn't explain much, indicating that he didn't want to talk about his reads 3) He asked someone else to pressure me rather than just doing it himself, indicating he doesn't want to take responsibility for pushing people: + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 15:50 Rean wrote:Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10 On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12 consider getting one of these, you could use it :3 More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora. In particular: + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote:
@Corazon
I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present. He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red. I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once.And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still. 4) He has shown little to no original thought
1. Pressuring people trying to lay low doesn't count as useful in your book?
2. You mean the ones that were on the first 2 pages? I already explained earlier, I don't write essays when sentences suffice.
3. I didnt ask anyone to do shit, I made clear that I wanted to put you under pressure. However I didn't wanna distract from the topic being discussed at the time (again, I've said this before)
4. See point 1.
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On November 21 2013 09:00 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 08:51 Rean wrote:On November 21 2013 08:22 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is a big problem with that because you should be voting for your top scumread.
What's your case on Rean again? Once again, my scumread on Rean was of almost equal strength to that which I had on Corazon. The reason I spent so much time talking about Corazon was because 1) I was being asked about my read on Corazon a lot 2) Rean wasn't in the thread so my vote on him had not yet elicited a response My case on Rean is essentially that: 1) The only thing he's done to try to draw out any information from the thread was to ask me for a scumread, which is a very easy thing for scum to think of and ask. Besides that, he's done nothing useful. 2) His answers to questions were short and didn't explain much, indicating that he didn't want to talk about his reads 3) He asked someone else to pressure me rather than just doing it himself, indicating he doesn't want to take responsibility for pushing people: + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 15:50 Rean wrote:Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10 On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12 consider getting one of these, you could use it :3 More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora. In particular: + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote:
@Corazon
I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present. He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red. I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once.And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still. 4) He has shown little to no original thought 1. Pressuring people trying to lay low doesn't count as useful in your book? 2. You mean the ones that were on the first 2 pages? I already explained earlier, I don't write essays when sentences suffice. 3. I didnt ask anyone to do shit, I made clear that I wanted to put you under pressure. However I didn't wanna distract from the topic being discussed at the time (again, I've said this before) 4. See point 1. You seriously want me to think that you asking ONE boring, generic question is enough scumhunting from you? As far as I can tell, even since my vote you haven't been looking for more information, you're just sheeping onto my wagon.
Of course. I definitely didn't attempt to pressure 2 others (scib, already explained why 500 times + LoneMeow who is still lurking it up) while keeping my vote on you.
You've done nothing to make me change my mind about you, and while you're still continuing making bullshit arguments to defend yourself I'm trying to find more scum.
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On November 21 2013 09:19 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 09:08 Rean wrote:On November 21 2013 09:00 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 08:51 Rean wrote:On November 21 2013 08:22 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is a big problem with that because you should be voting for your top scumread.
What's your case on Rean again? Once again, my scumread on Rean was of almost equal strength to that which I had on Corazon. The reason I spent so much time talking about Corazon was because 1) I was being asked about my read on Corazon a lot 2) Rean wasn't in the thread so my vote on him had not yet elicited a response My case on Rean is essentially that: 1) The only thing he's done to try to draw out any information from the thread was to ask me for a scumread, which is a very easy thing for scum to think of and ask. Besides that, he's done nothing useful. 2) His answers to questions were short and didn't explain much, indicating that he didn't want to talk about his reads 3) He asked someone else to pressure me rather than just doing it himself, indicating he doesn't want to take responsibility for pushing people: + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 15:50 Rean wrote:Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10 On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12 consider getting one of these, you could use it :3 More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora. In particular: + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote:
@Corazon
I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present. He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red. I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once.And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still. 4) He has shown little to no original thought 1. Pressuring people trying to lay low doesn't count as useful in your book? 2. You mean the ones that were on the first 2 pages? I already explained earlier, I don't write essays when sentences suffice. 3. I didnt ask anyone to do shit, I made clear that I wanted to put you under pressure. However I didn't wanna distract from the topic being discussed at the time (again, I've said this before) 4. See point 1. You seriously want me to think that you asking ONE boring, generic question is enough scumhunting from you? As far as I can tell, even since my vote you haven't been looking for more information, you're just sheeping onto my wagon. Of course. I definitely didn't attempt to pressure 2 others (scib, already explained why 500 times + LoneMeow who is still lurking it up) while keeping my vote on you. You've done nothing to make me change my mind about you, and while you're still continuing making bullshit arguments to defend yourself I'm trying to find more scum. As far as I can tell, your entire 'pressure' of sciberbia is calling him out for calling you his second-strongest scumread and then not following that up. Which is a pretty piss-poor excuse for scumhunting on your part. This reads more to me like you being concerned that you're listed as a scumread. @Rean: Do you seriously think sciberbia is scum? Why or why not? And calling out LoneMeow for lurking? Please. Calling out lurkers is the easiest game there is. I don't see any actual effort from you here either.
I don't see anyone else doing it? Or does it annoy you because you want your scumbuddies to get away with contributing little and lurking their way through?
And please read my damn posts, and I mean actually read instead of trying to find something that could possibly be interpreted as scummy, I've explained my position on Sciberbia over and over, I'm still waiting for him to come and answer.
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On November 21 2013 03:04 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:55 sciberbia wrote:
EBWOP
Oh yea one other I wanted to reply to was your criticism that I ignored Cora for a while. I stopped prodding Cora because other people were doing a fine job of it and I thought it'd be more productive for them to ask questions such as "explain why you think this about sciberbia" than me doing it. Also I was getting increasingly suspicious of him so I decided to just observe and include my comprehensive thoughts in a later case.
I didn't want to miss the opportunity to question Rean who is probably my second strongest read right now. I find Aquanim's above post on him agreeable. Apparently I'm his second strongest scumread, yet all he's done is ask me a single question very early on in the thread. He has made practically no effort to actually do anything about his "second strongest scum-read". I don't like this at all. Please do explain Sciberbia.
Scib, please adress.
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I don't like this Onegu bandwagon. Feels to me like it's an attempt to drive away the lynch from Aquanim to an easy to lynch target. While his posting is certainly scummy it could just be legitimately bad play. However he's still a better bet than most.
Aquanim is still going around repeating points that have already been answered and I feel the same. But I'm scared I might be tunneling too hard so I'll go reread his filter with an open mind.
Sciberbia...while your reasoning is anything but original, it's understandable so not gonna push that read on me any further.
I don't like though that you're yet again trying to go for someone already mentioned (Onegu).
Why is that everyone here is so anxious about me mentioning lurkers though? It seems to me like with your attitudes you automatically assume anyone that mentions lurkers ever is scum, but that way people can get away with lurking hard and not contributing a god damn thing. I find it really fishy that both Aqua and Scib seem so paranoid of me for trying to call out lurkers >.>
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On November 21 2013 12:03 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 11:37 Rean wrote:
I don't like this Onegu bandwagon. Feels to me like it's an attempt to drive away the lynch from Aquanim to an easy to lynch target. While his posting is certainly scummy it could just be legitimately bad play. However he's still a better bet than most.
So. Damn. wishy-washy. Flips his stance 3 times over 2 lines. And as Aquanim points out (in another good post), why is Rean complaining about Onegu being an 'easy lynch target' if his posting is 'certainly scummy'? Honestly I think there's a good chance they are both scum.
Sigh....I'm not flipping stances. I have a single stance, and I explained it quite clearly: Onegu's posting is shit and not helping i any way, and it's scummy as fuck but it can also means he's just stupid. Considering multiple possibilities isnt wishy-washy, its called not drawing conclusions too soon.
And the easy lynch target is because I felt and still feel like Aqua is scum and the Onegu thing was a convenient alternative for scum.
Maybe I'm just overthinking it but it feels too convenient for my tastes.
On November 21 2013 11:56 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 11:37 Rean wrote:
I don't like this Onegu bandwagon. Feels to me like it's an attempt to drive away the lynch from Aquanim to an easy to lynch target. While his posting is certainly scummy it could just be legitimately bad play. However he's still a better bet than most.
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Sciberbia...while your reasoning is anything but original, it's understandable so not gonna push that read on me any further.
I don't like though that you're yet again trying to go for someone already mentioned (Onegu).
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@ReanHow likely do you think Onegu is to be scum and why? If you think he's likely scum, why are you suspicious of Sciberbia making a case against him? Also, why do you think that Sciberbia's motives are doubtful for going after someone already mentioned? AFAIK the people who haven't been "mentioned" so far are either obvtown or so lurky there is no case to be made against them.
If it wasn't for the timing of it all, I'd say very likely. His posts are bad and not contributing anything meaningful at all, throwing around scumreads while not doing anything at all with them.
I'm suspicious of Sciberbia in case Scib is scum trying to get the heat off you and decided Onegu was an easy target with how he was posting and Mocsta already going after him.
I think it's weird he's been doing the same thing over and over: joining in on starting bandwagons. And if people are so lurky you can't say anything about them they should be pressured, not ignored.
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On November 21 2013 12:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rean why are you contionously saying Onegu is very scummy and likely scum but you won't vote for him in case he is just an easy target to attack to? If someone is likely to be scum you make a case and lynch them. Why is your read wishy-washy as hell in every post you make?
Because I still feel more certain about Aqua? I want to see him lynched because I'm almost certain he's our scumbag, in which Onegu would just be a distraction. If Aqua does turn out to be green Onegu looks like a pretty damn good lynch though. I don't see how this is wishy-washy at all, unless it means something else than what I think (constantly switching your opinion, I've had the same one all along). >.>
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On November 21 2013 12:42 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 12:23 Rean wrote:On November 21 2013 12:03 sciberbia wrote:On November 21 2013 11:37 Rean wrote:
I don't like this Onegu bandwagon. Feels to me like it's an attempt to drive away the lynch from Aquanim to an easy to lynch target. While his posting is certainly scummy it could just be legitimately bad play. However he's still a better bet than most.
So. Damn. wishy-washy. Flips his stance 3 times over 2 lines. And as Aquanim points out (in another good post), why is Rean complaining about Onegu being an 'easy lynch target' if his posting is 'certainly scummy'? Honestly I think there's a good chance they are both scum. Sigh....I'm not flipping stances. I have a single stance, and I explained it quite clearly: Onegu's posting is shit and not helping i any way, and it's scummy as fuck but it can also means he's just stupid. Considering multiple possibilities isnt wishy-washy, its called not drawing conclusions too soon. And the easy lynch target is because I felt and still feel like Aqua is scum and the Onegu thing was a convenient alternative for scum. Maybe I'm just overthinking it but it feels too convenient for my tastes. I don't see you "considering multiple possibilities" with regards to my alignment. I know that everything I've done this game has a town motivation, so I'm disturbed that you don't even think that's a possibility. Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 11:56 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 11:37 Rean wrote:
I don't like this Onegu bandwagon. Feels to me like it's an attempt to drive away the lynch from Aquanim to an easy to lynch target. While his posting is certainly scummy it could just be legitimately bad play. However he's still a better bet than most.
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Sciberbia...while your reasoning is anything but original, it's understandable so not gonna push that read on me any further.
I don't like though that you're yet again trying to go for someone already mentioned (Onegu).
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@ReanHow likely do you think Onegu is to be scum and why? If you think he's likely scum, why are you suspicious of Sciberbia making a case against him? Also, why do you think that Sciberbia's motives are doubtful for going after someone already mentioned? AFAIK the people who haven't been "mentioned" so far are either obvtown or so lurky there is no case to be made against them. If it wasn't for the timing of it all, I'd say very likely. His posts are bad and not contributing anything meaningful at all, throwing around scumreads while not doing anything at all with them. I'm suspicious of Sciberbia in case Scib is scum trying to get the heat off you and decided Onegu was an easy target with how he was posting and Mocsta already going after him. Do you have any reason to believe this explanation is more likely than Sciberbia believing I'm town and looking for an actual scum wagon to run? By your own admission Onegu is quite scummy. Show nested quote +
I think it's weird he's been doing the same thing over and over: joining in on starting bandwagons. And if people are so lurky you can't say anything about them they should be pressured, not ignored.
I think you're misrepresenting Sciberbia's play here. Sure he is expressing suspicions on a player who has previously been suspected. What you've left out is: 1) Most people in the game have been suspected at some point. Once again, who could Sciberbia think is scum who doesn't fit this criteria? 2) It's hardly like Sciberbia was sheeping Mocsta - in fact, Mocsta was voting for me at the time, and Sciberbia did most of the legwork in actually writing up a case and putting down a vote. If you're town I honestly don't know how you believe this about Sciberbia's play.
1. I did consider multiple possibilities but the more I thought about it the more you being scum made sense to me over you being town, and rereading only reconfirmed it for me.
2. Yes, my suspicions of you along with not really liking Sciberbia's play make me prefer lynching you over Onegu despite his scumminess.
3. It just feels off. Mocsta starts suspecting Onegu while still voting for you, and in comes Scib with a case to take the heat of you and switch it to Onegu. But maybe I'm trying too hard to make everything fit with my suspicions of you...
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On November 21 2013 13:05 Bereft wrote:Rean is my top lynch candidate atm, guys. one more thing to add: Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 03:10 Rean wrote:Forgot this: On November 21 2013 01:12 JarJarDrinks wrote:Now here he seems to defend cora. He said earlier that he liked coras case on sci. He tells Moc that he's falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap. And then again w/ the same non-committal read he gave Mocsta with "seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red".
I do think Cora is acting scummy but when I see people making what I think is a mistake/wrong interpretation in their arguments I still feel the need to point it out. That isn't defending Cora, it's making sure the suspicion on him is valid and not there because of flawed arguments. i really don't like this. basically he's admitting to defending Cora even though he thinks Cora is scummy. why? because he believes Mocsta's thought process is flawed. if I think someone is scum and someone arrives to the same conclusion albeit a different method, i don't see the need to correct them. it's not like he says: "yo i think the way you arrived at your conclusion a bit weak, but i agree with the ultimate end conclusion that cora is scum". he says "Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora." if anything, i analyze their case and see if it strengthens or invalidates my own read. ##Vote: Rean
How many fucking posts will I have to answer where people make statements WITHOUT READING THE FUCKING POST THEY'RE QUOTING. I, in exact words say I'm not trying to defend Cora and you see that as admitting to defending him?
I was pointing out a mistake in Mocsta's logic because I didn't want him to use poor arguments that Cora could easily deflect. Is this wrong in your eyes?
And your "it's not like he says", both things are the fucking same just differently worded.
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On November 21 2013 13:11 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 13:04 Rean wrote:On November 21 2013 12:42 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 12:23 Rean wrote:On November 21 2013 12:03 sciberbia wrote:On November 21 2013 11:37 Rean wrote:
I don't like this Onegu bandwagon. Feels to me like it's an attempt to drive away the lynch from Aquanim to an easy to lynch target. While his posting is certainly scummy it could just be legitimately bad play. However he's still a better bet than most.
So. Damn. wishy-washy. Flips his stance 3 times over 2 lines. And as Aquanim points out (in another good post), why is Rean complaining about Onegu being an 'easy lynch target' if his posting is 'certainly scummy'? Honestly I think there's a good chance they are both scum. Sigh....I'm not flipping stances. I have a single stance, and I explained it quite clearly: Onegu's posting is shit and not helping i any way, and it's scummy as fuck but it can also means he's just stupid. Considering multiple possibilities isnt wishy-washy, its called not drawing conclusions too soon. And the easy lynch target is because I felt and still feel like Aqua is scum and the Onegu thing was a convenient alternative for scum. Maybe I'm just overthinking it but it feels too convenient for my tastes. I don't see you "considering multiple possibilities" with regards to my alignment. I know that everything I've done this game has a town motivation, so I'm disturbed that you don't even think that's a possibility. On November 21 2013 11:56 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 11:37 Rean wrote:
I don't like this Onegu bandwagon. Feels to me like it's an attempt to drive away the lynch from Aquanim to an easy to lynch target. While his posting is certainly scummy it could just be legitimately bad play. However he's still a better bet than most.
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Sciberbia...while your reasoning is anything but original, it's understandable so not gonna push that read on me any further.
I don't like though that you're yet again trying to go for someone already mentioned (Onegu).
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@ReanHow likely do you think Onegu is to be scum and why? If you think he's likely scum, why are you suspicious of Sciberbia making a case against him? Also, why do you think that Sciberbia's motives are doubtful for going after someone already mentioned? AFAIK the people who haven't been "mentioned" so far are either obvtown or so lurky there is no case to be made against them. If it wasn't for the timing of it all, I'd say very likely. His posts are bad and not contributing anything meaningful at all, throwing around scumreads while not doing anything at all with them. I'm suspicious of Sciberbia in case Scib is scum trying to get the heat off you and decided Onegu was an easy target with how he was posting and Mocsta already going after him. Do you have any reason to believe this explanation is more likely than Sciberbia believing I'm town and looking for an actual scum wagon to run? By your own admission Onegu is quite scummy.
I think it's weird he's been doing the same thing over and over: joining in on starting bandwagons. And if people are so lurky you can't say anything about them they should be pressured, not ignored.
I think you're misrepresenting Sciberbia's play here. Sure he is expressing suspicions on a player who has previously been suspected. What you've left out is: 1) Most people in the game have been suspected at some point. Once again, who could Sciberbia think is scum who doesn't fit this criteria? 2) It's hardly like Sciberbia was sheeping Mocsta - in fact, Mocsta was voting for me at the time, and Sciberbia did most of the legwork in actually writing up a case and putting down a vote. If you're town I honestly don't know how you believe this about Sciberbia's play. 1. I did consider multiple possibilities but the more I thought about it the more you being scum made sense to me over you being town, and rereading only reconfirmed it for me. 2. Yes, my suspicions of you along with not really liking Sciberbia's play make me prefer lynching you over Onegu despite his scumminess. 3. It just feels off. Mocsta starts suspecting Onegu while still voting for you, and in comes Scib with a case to take the heat of you and switch it to Onegu. But maybe I'm trying too hard to make everything fit with my suspicions of you... So you "thought about it" and that convinced you I was scum? I'd like to hear some more specifics about that. What exactly in your rereading confirmed my alignment in your view? + Show Spoiler +It is my view that holding players accountable for their stated opinions and requiring evidence is an important part of maintaining a productive town atmosphere.
Exactly what confirmed it the first time. I'm utterly tired of repeating myself as I've done so about 50 times today, you can filter through my posts yourself this time.
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On November 21 2013 13:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 13:26 Rean wrote:On November 21 2013 13:05 Bereft wrote:Rean is my top lynch candidate atm, guys. one more thing to add: On November 21 2013 03:10 Rean wrote:Forgot this: On November 21 2013 01:12 JarJarDrinks wrote:Now here he seems to defend cora. He said earlier that he liked coras case on sci. He tells Moc that he's falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap. And then again w/ the same non-committal read he gave Mocsta with "seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red".
I do think Cora is acting scummy but when I see people making what I think is a mistake/wrong interpretation in their arguments I still feel the need to point it out. That isn't defending Cora, it's making sure the suspicion on him is valid and not there because of flawed arguments. i really don't like this. basically he's admitting to defending Cora even though he thinks Cora is scummy. why? because he believes Mocsta's thought process is flawed. if I think someone is scum and someone arrives to the same conclusion albeit a different method, i don't see the need to correct them. it's not like he says: "yo i think the way you arrived at your conclusion a bit weak, but i agree with the ultimate end conclusion that cora is scum". he says "Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora." if anything, i analyze their case and see if it strengthens or invalidates my own read. ##Vote: Rean How many fucking posts will I have to answer where people make statements WITHOUT READING THE FUCKING POST THEY'RE QUOTING. I, in exact words say I'm not trying to defend Cora and you see that as admitting to defending him? I was pointing out a mistake in Mocsta's logic because I didn't want him to use poor arguments that Cora could easily deflect. Is this wrong in your eyes? And your "it's not like he says", both things are the fucking same just differently worded. You can say you weren't trying to defend cora. But you were. Moc made an argument and you said it was flawed. There's no other way to interpret that. And you didn't even point out what you didn't like about mocstas case. WHy did you think that Moc was falling into the trap? How could cora have easily deflected his argument? By saying "Your logic is flawed because you think I'm scum." ?
It's not defending him, it's making sure Cora can't defend himself as easily by making sure the arguments are solid.
As for your second point, when you quoted the post where "I defend Cora", did you happen to notice that the reason for my comment on Mocsta's post was in the same damn post right below what you quoted? With further explanation in the next post when Mocsta asks me about it?
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On November 21 2013 13:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 13:47 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Not sure if my point came across there.
what I'm saying is, you said that you were "pointing out a mistake in Mocsta's logic".
But saying that Moc is falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap is NOT a flaw in logic. It could explain why Moc was using faulty logic. But it's not a mistake in logic itself. I keep coming up w/ better ways to phrase what I'm asking. My real question is this: Why when you read Mocs case did you think that he might be falling into that trap? How come you didn't read it and think "that makes sense", especially since you had a scumread on cora? bed now for me too
When I read it it seemed like he was going post by post trying to find any way to interpret him as scummy. While most of his arguments seemed quite good, one or two seemed like a bit of a stretch to me so I told him that, and that he should be cautious of interpreting posts how he wants to interpret them instead of looking at them neutrally.
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On November 21 2013 14:33 cDgCorazon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 03:37 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 15:22 Mocsta wrote:Post 8(1) I won't have a post restriction anymore, but I will be numbering my posts so I can try and force consolidation. (2) On November 20 2013 14:21 Aquanim wrote:
@Mocsta, whenever you get back:
If someone gave you a day-vigilante shot and said you had to shoot someone in this thread right now, who would it be and why?
(This isn't quite the same question as "Who is your biggest scumread", by the way.) I wouldn't shoot anyone right now. JJD, Vonthin, Onegu, LM, Jampidampi have yet to post. Thats just under 50% of the game. Having said that: if I had a one-time bullet that kills scum and misses town; I would shoot between Sciberbia/Corazon/Bereft. Pur quoi?Warning MASSIVE PLAY-BY-PLAY ANALYSIS of therad + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 12:14 Bereft wrote:
THE POPO AINT SHUTTIN US DOWN I find this tone overdone / try-hard. Its only a very slight negative lean. On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote:I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said. agree or disagree. Having just come out of a game as scum. I personally feel this is written with the tone of scum-scum. Sciberbia takes a position using strong descriptive words "trolly" and "ingratiating" from one post that to me - with limited knowledge - is null. Further, Sciberbia references my name.. I find this odd. I know I am town, but only scum should be aware of that too. Now: SCiberbia does not comment on my alignment here; yet, directly infers it was scummish for Corazon to "echo" what I said. On November 20 2013 12:19 Bereft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:16 Mocsta wrote:
post 4
K thrawn is town
De ja ducking vu explain. you're going to burn through your posts really quickly if you write 1 to 2 liners and expect the rest of us to all be on your wavelength. I find this tone too aggressive. As I stated in my retort to Bereft, scum like to interupt town circles. Thrawn is hardly confirmed to me, but of the 7 people to post, he is my best town read. I will give this a null tell by itself - however if Bereft keeps up the aggression I will be treating him as scum. On November 20 2013 12:26 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:18 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 12:14 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 20 2013 12:12 Aquanim wrote:
Also, it gave you something to ask me about, so as a conversation starter I consider it a success. What are your conclusions about moc's alignment based on his answer? A teeny-tiny town-lean since he seems to be relaxed. That's interesting. I assumed you were coming to the opposite conclusion, since to me his response looks more "sarcastic and dodgy" than "just saying no". What about his response strikes you as relaxed? + Show Spoiler [sarcastic and dodgy] +On November 20 2013 12:06 Mocsta wrote:
Scum: a layer of dirt or froth on the surface of a liquid.
No, I am not.
I am a mobster, which is typically "scum" in the world of forum-mafia
However, in this game, roles are reversed and of the town I am.
Again, as stated before this reads to me gentle prodding: NOT for information, but to discredit. Coming back to the thread, Aquanim reads a lot more calm/composed to me so is back to null. I think Sciberbia has jumped too brashly into an opportunity to shit-sling and from a player of his analytical background I find this highly suspicious. On November 20 2013 12:27 Bereft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
Moc obv town. Fuck da police! I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said. agree or disagree. agreed, very high chance imo. only potentially succeeded by this even more 'safe' entrance: also trolly and ingratiating because why are you smiling at me? i've no idea who you are. are you my enemy? i don't know about you, but i've come from a tough city, living on the streets, forced to make a living in any way possible. i don't smile at passerby's on the street. the only people that do, do so with a smug sneer, and they are the pigs. I have a problem with this post because its completely 180' with where my mindset is in the thread. I also do not like the interplay between Sciberbia and Bereft. I want to avoid making association reads without flips but I find Bereft is overly defensive and certainly not natural. "I've no idea who you are. are you my enemy?In one phrase: Its just over compensated. On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
I saw some people give Thumbs up for this post. I thought it stunk - real bad. I think Corazon needs to use soap next time he has a shower. Its a bunch of generic policy stuff and is how I used to love playing scum (in the newbies). Technically the post is null as inexperienced town can do this and supposedly we can judge corazon based on how he implements this. My issue with this post was the last paragraph: "On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game." I find it odd that Corazon is confident enough to say that the posters on the first page are all town (Sciberbia, Bereft, Thrawn, Aquanim, Corazon, myself) and simultaneously ignore my post giving scum reads to Bereft/Sciberbia/Aquanim. I think this is damage control.On November 20 2013 12:40 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!
mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other I'd like to say that mason falls under the role of "standard roles" and could be potentially in this set-up. Very intriguing... This might be Mocsta using moclogic.. but I treat this as a scum slip. Corazon jumps to the natural conclusion that we are both confirmed, so assumes we did it through a role = mason. I think anyone else without game knowledge can piece together we were takling about the "de ja vu" from before. At the least it shows Corazon is NOT reading the thread closely which is suspicious for this many posts. On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!
mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other @thrawn You are masons? Ditto the corazon read above  On November 20 2013 12:47 Bereft wrote:he's referencing mocsta saying that i'm trying to disrupt their town circle: Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote:On November 20 2013 12:19 Bereft wrote:On November 20 2013 12:16 Mocsta wrote:
post 4
K thrawn is town
De ja ducking vu explain. you're going to burn through your posts really quickly if you write 1 to 2 liners and expect the rest of us to all be on your wavelength. post 5Scum like to interrupt town circles, so dial down the tone will ya. I think if there are 3 scum. So far it'saquanim, sciberbia and you. Course not everyone has posted so this is tentative and subject to change. The answer to your question was in my previous post. Dr ja vu. Thrawn is contextually reading the same as I do. It's only a small point but enough for a town lean at this stage of the game. Thanks for looking out for my post count I will give Bereft town points here. He has arrived at the natural conclusion. So back to null. - Rean than makes a really bad introduction post, but thats null. If anything its town that usually make such "zero content" posts because they actually believe what they are saying they think it *is* content. On November 20 2013 12:52 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:46 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:44 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!
mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other @thrawn You are masons? no Can you explain your statement then? Think he means they have town reads based on previous meta or something. Not actually confirmed-confirmed. Comes to the natural conclusion albeit slightly differently. I think this is very townie though. He knows nothing of thrawn or myself... could not interpret what I meant when i said thrawn is town so assumed it was meta based. This demonstrates a guy thinking about the game. Its not anything to be confirmed town, but is a very good sign this early in the game. - Then Corazon/Sci shit the thread up. On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote:
*snip*
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive? Aqua is thinking the same way I do. I like this. He is a lot more polite about his suspicions/prodding though. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote:
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On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive? I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. This resposne is really bad as once again it completely ignores the content I posted about those players. Maybe I'm wrong, but at this stage of the game it illicits a response regardless. Horse blinkers like these are not a good sign this early on. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:00 sciberbia wrote:+ Show Spoiler [cora] +On November 20 2013 12:52 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:49 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:44 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!
mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other @thrawn You are masons? Thx for piggybacking on my post. I really appreciate it. I didnt' 'piggyback' on your post. Our posts aren't saying at all the same thing. My post basically said "so you are claiming mason? interesting..." Your post said "you are mason?" So I guess you could say that a lack of reaction is a difference. But it's not like we "aren't saying at all the same thing". @cora You made the assumption that he was claiming mason and commented on its plausibility. I found that assumption troubling, and asked him if he was in fact claiming mason. + Show Spoiler [cora] +
I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game.
Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter.
@cora Guilty as charged. I dislike random bullshit phase. Just because most games start with a bunch of trolling doesn't mean we have to. I think we're actually doing quite well so far. Personal heuristic but I find early game its only scum that use phrases like this. "I think we're actually doing quite well so far" How the heck does town have a guage on what is good/bad when only 50% of the players have participated. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:01 Bereft wrote:On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote:
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On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive? I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. and what's wrong with rocking the boat ridiculously early in the game? did you notice that mocsta also did the same thing? according to him, from the 1st page, aqua, sciberia, and I are scum. do you only take issue with sciberia's page 1 analysis only because it's about you? Bereft is either comfortable distancing team mates, or is town. - I am not familiar enough with his meta to make an opinion yet. I like that he picks up on this stuff to corazon that I already identified earlier. Still null. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:04 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 13:00 sciberbia wrote:+ Show Spoiler [cora] +On November 20 2013 12:52 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:49 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:44 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!
mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other @thrawn You are masons? Thx for piggybacking on my post. I really appreciate it. I didnt' 'piggyback' on your post. Our posts aren't saying at all the same thing. My post basically said "so you are claiming mason? interesting..." Your post said "you are mason?" So I guess you could say that a lack of reaction is a difference. But it's not like we "aren't saying at all the same thing". @cora You made the assumption that he was claiming mason and commented on its plausibility. I found that assumption troubling, and asked him if he was in fact claiming mason. + Show Spoiler [cora] +
I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game.
Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter.
@cora Guilty as charged. I dislike random bullshit phase. Just because most games start with a bunch of trolling doesn't mean we have to. I think we're actually doing quite well so far. Where in that post do I say he is claiming mason? I was making a comment on the possibility of there being a mason after thrawn's post. If it had said in the OP "no masons in this game", then wouldn't it be suspicious? You're grasping at straws here bro. The only thing I've seen from the early game is that you are looking pretty scummy right now. I dunno, this is just too haste from Corazon. Everyone knows he is "sensitive" and prone to OMGUS so it does dilute the read a touch, however, I can't keep getting over this is scum-to-scum interaction. "You're grasping at straws" + "you are looking pretty scummy" are strong words and stances, yet, does it really read like Corazon is *trying* to get Sciberbia lynched? I dont sense congruence here. Again, scum-to-scum interactions I think... - I like the way Aquanim is prodding Rean. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:07 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 13:01 Bereft wrote:On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote:
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On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive? I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. and what's wrong with rocking the boat ridiculously early in the game? did you notice that mocsta also did the same thing? according to him, from the 1st page, aqua, sciberia, and I are scum. do you only take issue with sciberia's page 1 analysis only because it's about you? He didn't do it with just me. He told Moc and I that it was scummy that we made troll posts. At least Mocsta was direct in saying who he thought was scummy instead of sciberia who is only doing a "window looking" version of scum hunting. This post is null to me. Corazon reads very emotional so its hard to understand motive. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:14 Bereft wrote:
he wasn't actually calling mocsta scum. just you.
i don't see the distinction between mocsta's explicitly stating and sciberia's "window looking". how were they different? could you expand pls? Bereft is starting to look better as is reading the actual content behind the queries. Rean does the same. - I entirely agreed with Thrawn vote at that time Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote:
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I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present. Excellent post from Aquanim. If hes scum, hes playing a great game because hes asking the questions that are in my head as Im reading it. That is very hard to do as scum. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote:
@Corazon
I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present. He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. I think this is a scum-slip. Corazon is too assertive in his read and this goes beyond emotion. When I read this, I take it as someone who is speaking "matter of fact". This is enough for me to be 90% confident that both Sciberbia and Corazon are scum. There is no way that enough content has been delivered in this thread for a town person to jump to such a strong conclusion as this. Event hough I think Sciberbia is scummy, I do think he came in here with the intention to troll like this. I was just posting a theory. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:40 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please. Do you find this behavior suspicious from Aquanim or are you simply making an observation? The question is fair, however, in context of thread events this is aterrible post. Corazon is slamming into Sciberbia, and this is what Sciberbia thinks is relevant to discuss? WTF? Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
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When I made that post, I was thinking along the lines of "I think sci's actions are looking pretty scummy." In my opinion, if he was trying to create a good town atmosphere in the start, he did a very poor job of doing so. That's why I was thinking (and still am) that sciberia is scum. This post does not align with his strong opinion in the previous post. Im starting to sound tunneled because I am now so so so certain Corazon and Sciberbia are scum. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please. I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.) As for scum, I'm not sure yet. Not enough information. I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next. I still want an answer to this from you: On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:
Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far? Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says. @Rean Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment? I am not a fan of Aquanim for this interpretation however, I also know he is more calculated than I am so can accept a town Aquanim may play out the thread like this. Im going to go null but will be curious how Aquanim chooses to interpret this massive post and my conclusions. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:46 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 13:44 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Rean
Talking about town reads is silly. I'd rather just have 1 scum read from Aqua. Why is it silly? Would you vote someone on being the "least townie"? Talking about town reads is only good to high-five and pat each other on the back and compliment each other's town play. It doesn't get scum lynched. More generics from Corazon. Importantly, he just called Sciberbia scum last page and now is acting as if nothing happened. Deffo scum Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:57 sciberbia wrote:
@Rean
What is your strongest scumread right now and why? Again, he also dodges the shit-ball fight of Corazon. Some may argue that is towny to avoid this and not shit the thread. However, the key differentiator I find is that if town choose that approach they would also ACKNOWLEDGE the existence of the read. Sciberbia just dodges it and hopes no one brings it up further. Very bad. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:57 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:51 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 13:49 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please. I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.) As for scum, I'm not sure yet. Not enough information. I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next. I still want an answer to this from you: On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:
Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far? Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says. @Rean Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=7#127 Ah yes, my bad. Do you think Corazon's argument that sciberbia is scum is persuasive? Why or why not? Persuasive...it's a good argument. Sciberbia was being more laidback, trying to avoid comitting to anything, so it definitely makes him look scummy. Overall the kind of argument that gets discussion started and gets us somewhere useful, I quite like it. Guess persuasive would be a decent way to describe it. This guy is interesting. As scum I think I would phrase things similar to this guy because there is always an 'out'. I think in this instance, this is a townie with an opinion speaking naturally and as the thought comes to his mind. Can evaluate him more if the flips on Corazon/Sciberbia go awry - which I doubt. In short I am very comfortable to lynch Corazon and Sciberbia. I would lynch Corazon because him trying to wriggle out of it will be more fun/alignment-revealing in my opinion. ##Vote: cDgCorazonand to answer your question, I would shoot Sciberbia as he is the other half. *Mocsta stuff So this isn't a case on me?
That is the case Mocsta wrote on you. He just failed massively at quoting.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 22 2013 02:37 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No actually this is the best way to go:
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This proves Mocsta and Bereft are scum. 2 scum for 1 town is a good trade.
I'll make a case on the third one near deadline. I gotta go move my little brother now. cya later. God your annoying... I asked the question because I am in a headspace where I can look at you without emotion. I am trying to figure out the motives for your continued trolling since your "confrontation" vote. Considering a majority hasn't been reached & people reading (Onegu/jampi) haven't voted - you are not under a *great* deal of pressure. As town, under thread of a mislynch: I would expect you to pull the finger out and start producing cases. You already said you don't want me dead; yet keep going out of your way to antagonise me. Unless you think I am scum, I don't see how your actions can line up with a town mentality.
Small tidbit, whilst looking for Rayn in the TL db to check mislynch history, i saw Rean: Insane Mafia 2 Town Police Tough Guy Killed Night 2 TL Mafia XXXVIII Town Vanilla Town Killed Night 3 Sleeper Cell Mafia Mafia Sleeper Agent Modkilled Day 1 Pick Their Power Mafia Town Psychic Survived I know Sleepcell is from 2011 but check teh filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=210416&user=Rean&view=allHe has like 2 posts, but they are SO aggressive. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227186&user=Rean&view=allIn Pick Their Poewr he is quite casual and short posts. Rean gameplay doesnt really fit into either of those filters + its from 2011 and things change. BUT, what i do think is that it shows quite clearly his mentality when scum. Hesistant to talk, and high-strung/angry. I think Rean is probably town.
Sorry everyone for not participating at all today but my head is fucking killing me atm and trying to read the thread isnt working at all ._. made it to page 41 so far and gonna stop for today because i just cant focus at all, but wanted to comment on mocsta mentioning old games:
I cant remember why but I know I was so frustrated from RL issues during the sleeper cell game that I didnt focus on it at all and the few posts I made were total shit. I got modkilled for lack of voting and banned for it and I totally deserved it and sat out the bans. You probably shouldn't be using it for meta purposes.
going to sleep now, hopefully i'll feel better tomorrow.
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