EPTBack To The Basics Mini Mafia
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
| ||
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote: I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad. Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem. Now to my goals/early game statements: 1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either. 2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote. 3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos. On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> | ||
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
Think he means they have town reads based on previous meta or something. Not actually confirmed-confirmed. | ||
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote: Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far? Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says. | ||
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 20 2013 13:00 sciberbia wrote: @cora You made the assumption that he was claiming mason and commented on its plausibility. I found that assumption troubling, and asked him if he was in fact claiming mason. He wasn't assuming it, he was suggesting it as one of the possibilities. On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote: @Rean Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment? I'd say town, scum is typically more laidback. But could just be a good scumbag. | ||
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 20 2013 13:14 Bereft wrote: he wasn't actually calling mocsta scum. just you. i don't see the distinction between mocsta's explicitly stating and sciberia's "window looking". how were they different? could you expand pls? He means that Mocsta is going around calling people scum or town straightup, unlike Sciberia who is more held back. | ||
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
| ||
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 20 2013 13:40 sciberbia wrote: Do you find this behavior suspicious from Aquanim or are you simply making an observation? An observation, it don't say much about his alignment. But I'm curious as to his answer. | ||
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 20 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote: @Rean Talking about town reads is silly. I'd rather just have 1 scum read from Aqua. Why is it silly? | ||
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 20 2013 13:46 cDgCorazon wrote: Would you vote someone on being the "least townie"? Talking about town reads is only good to high-five and pat each other on the back and compliment each other's town play. It doesn't get scum lynched. Sure, a good scum read is far more useful. But it might still say something useful. Put it like this, a town read and a scum read is better than just a scum read. | ||
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote: I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.) As for scum, I'm not sure yet. Not enough information. I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next. I still want an answer to this from you: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=7#127 | ||
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 20 2013 13:50 cDgCorazon wrote: In my opinion, a better thing to ask would be a scum read and someone you would like to know more about. That would facilitate a lot more discussion than only a town/scum read due to the fact that having a town read on someone doesn't do anything for discussion. Both are ways to get discussion going, which one is the better just depends on the situation/person I guess. Sometimes people don't have strong scumreads but get a strong townvibe from someone, it's always good for discussion. Think it just comes down to preference. | ||
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 20 2013 13:51 Aquanim wrote: Ah yes, my bad. Do you think Corazon's argument that sciberbia is scum is persuasive? Why or why not? Persuasive...it's a good argument. Sciberbia was being more laidback, trying to avoid comitting to anything, so it definitely makes him look scummy. Overall the kind of argument that gets discussion started and gets us somewhere useful, I quite like it. Guess persuasive would be a decent way to describe it. | ||
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 20 2013 13:57 sciberbia wrote: @Rean What is your strongest scumread right now and why? Strongest doesnt say much atm since 5 out of 12 have been silent so far but I'm not feeling so good about you for reasons I already explained. | ||
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10 On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12 consider getting one of these, you could use it :3 ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/4t8oM40) More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora. In particular: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote: He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once. And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still. | ||
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 20 2013 15:56 Mocsta wrote: (A) Discredit me slightly - which is OK, the problem is the non-firm opinion on Corazon or Sciberbia (B) Subtlely sway convo to Aquanim - again this could be OK in isolation, but I dont like with (A) (C) Comment about lack of followup from 5 people. B and C are there as a reminder. Aquanim feels to me like he's getting by too comfortably, but for now its a small lean towards scum as opposed to Corazon/Scib feeling much more scummy to me. And I'm not discrediting you, I want to warn you not to tunnelvision. Tunnelvision impairs you from thinking logically and it's lost me games in the past because I was convinced I was right and tried to make everything seem as if I was. Maybe that's why I seem non-commital, I don't want to repeat the same mistake. You're right that C/S are acting dodgy but don't close your mind. On November 20 2013 15:57 Aquanim wrote: @Mocsta If Corazon and sciberbia are both scum, what was their motive for going after one another as they have so early? It's focused a lot of attention on the two of them, and I can't imagine that being what scum wants. @Rean Why do you want to see me in particular pressured? To me you look like you're in the position that if I were scum I'd love: sit back, ask some questions, give some non-commital opinions from time to time and earn easy town credit while not under any real pressure. So one of your questions back at you: if you had a vig shot that only hit scum, who would you aim it at right now and why? | ||
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 20 2013 16:42 Aquanim wrote: Probably you. I don't like how easily you swallowed Corazon's case on sciberbia, given that I felt it was sketchy at best. I also don't see any particular purpose behind your posting so far - you've offered some observations when prompted but I don't see you trying to get more information and learn more about the motivations of other players, besides some half-assed and half-hearted pressuring of myself (which you tried to prompt someone else to do). In fact, the more I think about your filter the less I like it. ##Vote: Rean I'd give some consideration to shooting Corazon but even if I was convinced he was scum I think I'd learn much more from lynching him than by simply shooting him. How unexpected. You're put under pressure and you instantly accuse me to try to prove me wrong about you, but 2 posts later you're already looking for arguments to back out of it like + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 16:48 Aquanim wrote: Short answer to Thrawn's case: I've been messing around a bit and not committing much because I'm concerned, having looked at the players who are yet to post, that if we present them with a fait accompli lynch on Corazon they'd just sheep and we'd learn nothing about them today. I figured that by holding off on my vote and being able to address them from a position of neutrality I might be able to get something out of them. Obviously this plan has backfired, but I figure if you're going to come after me that gives them an interesting choice to make so hopefully we'll still get something useful out of them. For the same reason, I voted Rean above for the purposes of running a second wagon and introducing a choice. I'd cheerfully vote Corazon as well, his failure to actually vote for sciberbia despite his constant accusations is pretty damning. On November 20 2013 18:04 Aquanim wrote:The fact that Corazon, despite apparently believing his case, is not committing to it by voting for sciberbia? THAT is scum-indicative. This seems awfully weak to me, a case on him at this point is already applying pressure by focussing discussion on him and trying to catch him on a lie. While a vote does put a little extra pressure on it I think saying it's scum-indicative not to vote is really overrating it's importance.This, combined with what Thrawn already said (not gonna waste time parroting), really gives me a bad feeling about you. Enough for a ##Vote: Aquanim Some other things I really want to adress: On November 20 2013 16:55 sciberbia wrote: EBWOP Oh yea one other I wanted to reply to was your criticism that I ignored Cora for a while. I stopped prodding Cora because other people were doing a fine job of it and I thought it'd be more productive for them to ask questions such as "explain why you think this about sciberbia" than me doing it. Also I was getting increasingly suspicious of him so I decided to just observe and include my comprehensive thoughts in a later case. I didn't want to miss the opportunity to question Rean who is probably my second strongest read right now. I find Aquanim's above post on him agreeable. Apparently I'm his second strongest scumread, yet all he's done is ask me a single question very early on in the thread. He has made practically no effort to actually do anything about his "second strongest scum-read". I don't like this at all. Please do explain Sciberbia. On November 20 2013 17:20 jampidampi wrote: At this point, what in Sciberias posting came to you as held back? That he, compared to Mocsta going around calling people "confirmed town" and naming scumteams 5 posts in, seemed to be taking it easy and more the "is most likely to be scum" route. In hindsight held back is probably not the phrase I'm looking for but you know what I mean. | ||
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 21 2013 01:12 JarJarDrinks wrote:Now here he seems to defend cora. He said earlier that he liked coras case on sci. He tells Moc that he's falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap. And then again w/ the same non-committal read he gave Mocsta with "seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red". I do think Cora is acting scummy but when I see people making what I think is a mistake/wrong interpretation in their arguments I still feel the need to point it out. That isn't defending Cora, it's making sure the suspicion on him is valid and not there because of flawed arguments. | ||
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 21 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rean this post is sciberbia's second last post in this game so far. How is it possible for sciberbia to make some effort into questioning you more when he hasn't posted since? I think you are twisting the situation to fit your agenda of calling him scum for no reason. Because this looks like a really stretched accusation. I'm not calling him a damn thing >.> I'm saying it's bullshit that he goes around saying I'm his second-strongest scumread while he hasn't done anything about it, it feels dodgy to me. But I don't want to push this issue any further without giving him a chance to defend himself or explain. | ||
|
Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 21 2013 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well how could he possibly have done anything about it because he has not posted since? Neither before nor after he did anything about it. That's why I said it feels odd...but as I've said twice already, I want to see his response to this. Maybe you're right and he just wanted his opinion to be known. We'll know once he gets in here. | ||
| ||
