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I am thinking lynch onegu
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Yeah why hasnt anyone called me scum for saying who would get shot?
Get on it people cora is scum.
##VOTE cDgCorazon
@slam: Bereft is confirmed town look elsewhere.
Unless slam, bereft, or scib have questions for me I most likely wont post here again only checking in every so often. And maybe linking cora/mocsta with quotes from their filters but not sure how lazy I will be or not.
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On November 29 2013 11:45 Bereft wrote:I totally missed this earlier: Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 18:06 Mocsta wrote:On November 26 2013 17:56 Onegu wrote:On November 26 2013 17:45 Mocsta wrote:On November 26 2013 17:41 Onegu wrote:
Ok you spoiler it. I dont get why you spoil it. Really feels like you are trying to hide shit. dont even say I say its ok for him to change his reads but not you, you have done it MULTIPLE TIMES, I even say you can change your reads but you do 3 magical rereads and change your reads from scum to town and town to scum each time with no reasons given on alot of them, or only one liners. Also his reads come at a point, the his reads change once and not again like you suggest. He says he will consolidate but never takes his read back. He left himself outs you say, but he never used them. He kept his story. And aqua was confirmation biased he thought you were town, didnt have a read on jamp who tunneled him. He read over your case andddnt fact check it so you bringing up a confirmed town agreed with you means nothing. LOl.. so you are comparing the filter of a Day1 lurker; or a Day3 active.. and then suggesting that the Day1 lurker changes his mind less?.. no shit sherlock Aqua was C.B'd lol? Is that how you justify your position now? Spoilering posts means I want to hide stuff --> Scummy LOL... Let me know when you are ready to stop changing up your story Yeah remember that part about not responding to you or cora, we arent getting anywhere. And Im not going to keep shitting up the thread with you. I know you are going to try to use onegu wasnt reading, onegu doesnt know what he was talking about when I flip, Im guess its the first post you make after I flip. You are the one who brought up Aqua a confirmed townie agreeing with your case, I am showimg why that doesnt mean anything when it comes to that townie haveing a town read on you, at minumum a null read on jamp, and the case is about jamp haveing a scum read on aqua. blszinghand Scumslips do exist. We are in MYLO. Note how onegu refers to me using his filter after he flips. We got ourselves here scum boys n girls. funny how HF made the exact same mistake. Show nested quote +On November 28 2013 11:11 Onegu wrote:On November 28 2013 11:02 Holyflare wrote:
Funny how bereft is "afk till 20 mins before deadline" though,
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##Vote Bereft Im still thinking if he is newb enough to do the claim as town. I am leaning against it. But doubt we will get enoughto switch onto him but lets give it a go and see what happens, if no one else switches I will hammer you though as if we go another day it will be lylo with the same wagons in me and you with no one else willing to change and that gets us no where. ##UNVOTE
##VOTE BEREFT the fact that he's willing to hammer HF even though he suspects me pretty much confirms it -- an onegu lynch day 4 a no-brainer. and i did promise that the first scum to vote HF would be spared for last, so it's only fair. now it's just a matter of confirming slammer is town. slammer! what is this? a confession?? Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 14:25 Alakaslam wrote:On November 27 2013 14:24 Bereft wrote:
holy is scum. cora is town.
alright public announcement. listen up scummers:
whoever piles on first onto the HF train will be saved for last. Well I'm already there.
i feel pretty good about chezinu being the last scum; this is probably massive WIFOM, but when it becomes clear to HF he'll be lynched, suddenly chezinu becomes one of his scum reads (along with me + cora) and he even writes a case on it. i just don't think he'd have his final scum reads be 3 townies and bother to write a long case on a townie when he's moments from flipping red. also, rean's filter is more townie than jampi's in my opinion.Show nested quote +On November 28 2013 11:28 Holyflare wrote:Also, in regards to chezinu, he is purposefully manipulating information to fit his style: On November 28 2013 00:00 Chezinu wrote:Holyflare. The light of the first dawn. I, Chezinu the Godfather of our beloved family, have declared thee unworthy to dwell among our presence., 1. You have broken the Chezinu Rule 2. You have lied to the family. 3. You have left the family for another. 4. You have been condemned by the Wisdom of the Dead. ##Vote Holyflare+ Show Spoiler +1. + Show Spoiler +Doesn't need an explanation 2. + Show Spoiler +3. + Show Spoiler +4. + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2013 12:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Why didn't Holys flavor say (medic) in parenthesis like mine and rayns say (vanilla townie)? On November 26 2013 11:58 Aquanim wrote:(A lot of this has been said already since I wrote a fair bit of it last night. But you can have it anyway.) Who to lynch tomorrow? My preference is Chezinu or Onegu. I'm pretty sure both of them are in the scumteam along with one of Holyflare/Alakaslam. The case on Jampidampi by Mocsta and the "scumslip" picked up by Thrawn is probably as close to a read on Chezinu as we're going to get, especially if Thrawn dies (since I'm pretty sure none of the rest of us have much prior experience with Chez). May as well flip that coin sooner rather than later. As for Onegu, this last tossup with Corazon has finally broken my credulity in just how few damns Onegu gives about this game. I honestly don't think there's any way he can have thought those two posts by Corazon were at the 2-hour mark if he's seriously analysing this game. His cases on Bereft and Mocsta could easily have been written by scum just pulling out post after post after post from their filters and saying the first damning-sounding thing which comes to mind. And while I was fooled by Onegu's indignation yesterday, I've been fooled by Onegu playing dumb before (see Newbie 43). I don't intend to let it happen again. You can lynch Onegu first to satisfy Corazon, if you like. As for Holyflare:
- I have never seen him angry as town, but that's the vibe I'm getting here
- I have never seen him this disinterested as town. Read page 4 of his filter, compare it to any town game he's played in the past, and tell me that this is a town Holyflare who is genuinely interested in pushing a lynch
- He could claim to save somebody who aren't the two who scum kills. In that case, use your judgement.
- Sure he hasn't played like this as scum before, but there's no reason to change his town meta into this and plenty of reason to change his scum meta (replaced into a scum team with lurkers, just plain doesn't want to even try to contribute)
A quick aside re. Holyflare+ Show Spoiler +If there's a save tonight obviously don't lynch Holy tomorrow, but still keep him on your radar. His play so far this game has been COMPLETELY unlike his town play, and maybe this is the scum team trying to protect Holy. It would explain their motive for having him claim in the first place. It does give us another mislynch so I think it would be poor play, but my opinion is hardly going to stop them... maybe, MAYBE he'll get off his ass and contribute now that the weekend's over. But I think he's just scum. (Having difficulty reconciling that with the doctor claim, but... frankly that doctor claim was a f***ing awful idea whatever his alignment, so I guess it being risky as scum isn't scum-indiciative.) Alakaslam I still gotta think about. If I die you're probably better off considering what he posts tomorrow rather than whatever thoughts I have now anyway. In the light of this claim I have no idea who scum will shoot. If they shoot me, good luck - you're gonna need it. (tl;dr I agree with sciberbia and mocsta, {Holyflare // Rean, Chezinu (jampi), Onegu}) Last-minute additions:Corazon's cop claim... gah. I don't see the point if he's scum. But damn it why did you claim so long before deadline? If the scum have a framer we could be led entirely up the garden path. I hope he's planning to check someone who isn't Onegu and was just claiming that to lead scum astray. I'd far prefer to see a check on Chezinu or even Holyflare than Onegu. Given how hard Corazon bashed on Holy for his claim I have hopes that Corazon has plans he hasn't revealed yet. He uses 4 reasons for his read based vote on me. The first he implies does not work if the person knows what the Chezinu rule is, yet here it is as 25% of his intention for a vote. Therefore 1/4 of his reasoning is factually incorrect. He says that a fake claim is another reason. My claim of vet is the truth so that is reasoning number 2 that is wrong, if i were to fake claim a role I wouldn't know how to do it because I don't know what the other roles would look like. It would be perfectly written because scum get fake claims, he has no mention of this. 50% factually incorrect His third point is because I like the colour blue.........? 75% useless Finally, he mentions the wisdom of the dead but uses incorrect logic from dead people's posts to do it. Aquanim stated that he has never seen me disinterested as town but did chezinu bother to fact check this at all? There is no mention of this so he must have done. Therefore he also read my scum game (hogwarts) where I most certainly was not disinterested either. He then uses JarJar's mention of my claim. Doctor was a fake claim and so of course JarJar was correct. However, vet was not my fake claim and he makes no mention of this either. 100% useless Chez purposefully misleads all of you in the attempt to look like he is one of the town group. He uses useless information that is clearly not fact checked to mislead you into thinking he is doing work. His playstyle is based on reads and as you don't know what his reads are at the time you do not know what alignment he is playing for. He has claimed GF (blue town role) but came under no scrutiny from bereft for this, no mention at all even though bereft's entire reasoning was that there can't be 3 blue roles which he claimed was his only reason for attacking me. Chezinu, Bereft. Scum team.
I am looking at this and liking it, however, Chezinu flipped town.
Mocsta has laid down a pretty strong case for Cora and HF not being scum together, so either you were wrong there or you are scum...
But seeing how this was wrong, maybe Mocsta has a flaw in that same comparison. But I have seen CONF bias and I'm not gonna fall for it. Mocsta could be epic scum for all we know ATM, it's just most likely not the case (as with bereft, sciberia, I wish me)
There is a lot of uncertainty out there and I think the thread shouldn't be as dead as it is...
+ Show Spoiler +(Read in GLaDOS voice)
...hello? Hello?
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Chezinu was an easy mislynch to win the game so im curious why scum felt this shot was the most beneficial.
Aside from playing mindgames, I don't get it.
I'm a certainty for MYLO as it's expected I will be too arrogant to consider all information.
Now bereft is plausible to not be shot based on vet claim.
If onegu flips a power role, will have to consider whether bbereftbtried to push to save onegu. But can crossbthatbbridge when we get there.
Imnsurprised sciberbia wasn't shot.
I was surprised when he was shot over aquanim, and am surprised now.
Another issue I have with sciberbia is his diminishing presence followed by +1 of me.
I'm I need to read in detail how hard sciberbia pushed for a onegu lynch as well.
Peace out. I'm not in town and have limited access. Above is food for thought
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Of course the other option is that scum shot chezinu to get the above reaction.
Slam is most likely scum.
Bereft, where u at?
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@Mocsta
How plausible do you think a Slam & Onegu scumteam is? I don't really see them shooting Chezinu. Unless it was just to WIFOM us into not lynching one of them. But that'd be a pretty ballsy play, no?
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well played by chezinu.
i really don't think moc/scib/cora could be scum. but the fact that none of them were the NK makes me a bit nervous.
is the scum team really so worried about another blue role that they're willing to take away a good mislynch candidate?
things we know:
(1) slam has voiced he is in awe of chezinu as a player
(2) chezinu hinted he was a blue analyst in the thread (but in a way i didn't think anyone would take seriously)
(3) mocsta and cora have claimed VT
(1) combined with the fact that slam has been blatantly following thread sentiment since he joined the game makes me inclined to think he's the last scum. but if scum is paranoid about a second blue role, why didn't they target sciberbia?
did they really believe chezinu's blue claim? were they afraid he'd figure this game out if left alive? was it a combination of both? it seems weird to me that between:
chezinu: claimed blue (but in a way i'd expect would draw skepticism), really high on everyone's scum-dar
vs.
sciberbia: status unknown, an analytical, established townie
that they would choose the former.
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On November 30 2013 14:45 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 11:45 Bereft wrote:I totally missed this earlier: On November 26 2013 18:06 Mocsta wrote:On November 26 2013 17:56 Onegu wrote:On November 26 2013 17:45 Mocsta wrote:On November 26 2013 17:41 Onegu wrote:
Ok you spoiler it. I dont get why you spoil it. Really feels like you are trying to hide shit. dont even say I say its ok for him to change his reads but not you, you have done it MULTIPLE TIMES, I even say you can change your reads but you do 3 magical rereads and change your reads from scum to town and town to scum each time with no reasons given on alot of them, or only one liners. Also his reads come at a point, the his reads change once and not again like you suggest. He says he will consolidate but never takes his read back. He left himself outs you say, but he never used them. He kept his story. And aqua was confirmation biased he thought you were town, didnt have a read on jamp who tunneled him. He read over your case andddnt fact check it so you bringing up a confirmed town agreed with you means nothing. LOl.. so you are comparing the filter of a Day1 lurker; or a Day3 active.. and then suggesting that the Day1 lurker changes his mind less?.. no shit sherlock Aqua was C.B'd lol? Is that how you justify your position now? Spoilering posts means I want to hide stuff --> Scummy LOL... Let me know when you are ready to stop changing up your story Yeah remember that part about not responding to you or cora, we arent getting anywhere. And Im not going to keep shitting up the thread with you. I know you are going to try to use onegu wasnt reading, onegu doesnt know what he was talking about when I flip, Im guess its the first post you make after I flip. You are the one who brought up Aqua a confirmed townie agreeing with your case, I am showimg why that doesnt mean anything when it comes to that townie haveing a town read on you, at minumum a null read on jamp, and the case is about jamp haveing a scum read on aqua. blszinghand Scumslips do exist. We are in MYLO. Note how onegu refers to me using his filter after he flips. We got ourselves here scum boys n girls. funny how HF made the exact same mistake. On November 28 2013 11:11 Onegu wrote:On November 28 2013 11:02 Holyflare wrote:
Funny how bereft is "afk till 20 mins before deadline" though,
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##Vote Bereft Im still thinking if he is newb enough to do the claim as town. I am leaning against it. But doubt we will get enoughto switch onto him but lets give it a go and see what happens, if no one else switches I will hammer you though as if we go another day it will be lylo with the same wagons in me and you with no one else willing to change and that gets us no where. ##UNVOTE
##VOTE BEREFT the fact that he's willing to hammer HF even though he suspects me pretty much confirms it -- an onegu lynch day 4 a no-brainer. and i did promise that the first scum to vote HF would be spared for last, so it's only fair. now it's just a matter of confirming slammer is town. slammer! what is this? a confession?? On November 27 2013 14:25 Alakaslam wrote:On November 27 2013 14:24 Bereft wrote:
holy is scum. cora is town.
alright public announcement. listen up scummers:
whoever piles on first onto the HF train will be saved for last. Well I'm already there.
i feel pretty good about chezinu being the last scum; this is probably massive WIFOM, but when it becomes clear to HF he'll be lynched, suddenly chezinu becomes one of his scum reads (along with me + cora) and he even writes a case on it. i just don't think he'd have his final scum reads be 3 townies and bother to write a long case on a townie when he's moments from flipping red. also, rean's filter is more townie than jampi's in my opinion.On November 28 2013 11:28 Holyflare wrote:Also, in regards to chezinu, he is purposefully manipulating information to fit his style: On November 28 2013 00:00 Chezinu wrote:Holyflare. The light of the first dawn. I, Chezinu the Godfather of our beloved family, have declared thee unworthy to dwell among our presence., 1. You have broken the Chezinu Rule 2. You have lied to the family. 3. You have left the family for another. 4. You have been condemned by the Wisdom of the Dead. ##Vote Holyflare+ Show Spoiler +1. + Show Spoiler +Doesn't need an explanation 2. + Show Spoiler +3. + Show Spoiler +4. + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2013 12:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Why didn't Holys flavor say (medic) in parenthesis like mine and rayns say (vanilla townie)? On November 26 2013 11:58 Aquanim wrote:(A lot of this has been said already since I wrote a fair bit of it last night. But you can have it anyway.) Who to lynch tomorrow? My preference is Chezinu or Onegu. I'm pretty sure both of them are in the scumteam along with one of Holyflare/Alakaslam. The case on Jampidampi by Mocsta and the "scumslip" picked up by Thrawn is probably as close to a read on Chezinu as we're going to get, especially if Thrawn dies (since I'm pretty sure none of the rest of us have much prior experience with Chez). May as well flip that coin sooner rather than later. As for Onegu, this last tossup with Corazon has finally broken my credulity in just how few damns Onegu gives about this game. I honestly don't think there's any way he can have thought those two posts by Corazon were at the 2-hour mark if he's seriously analysing this game. His cases on Bereft and Mocsta could easily have been written by scum just pulling out post after post after post from their filters and saying the first damning-sounding thing which comes to mind. And while I was fooled by Onegu's indignation yesterday, I've been fooled by Onegu playing dumb before (see Newbie 43). I don't intend to let it happen again. You can lynch Onegu first to satisfy Corazon, if you like. As for Holyflare:
- I have never seen him angry as town, but that's the vibe I'm getting here
- I have never seen him this disinterested as town. Read page 4 of his filter, compare it to any town game he's played in the past, and tell me that this is a town Holyflare who is genuinely interested in pushing a lynch
- He could claim to save somebody who aren't the two who scum kills. In that case, use your judgement.
- Sure he hasn't played like this as scum before, but there's no reason to change his town meta into this and plenty of reason to change his scum meta (replaced into a scum team with lurkers, just plain doesn't want to even try to contribute)
A quick aside re. Holyflare+ Show Spoiler +If there's a save tonight obviously don't lynch Holy tomorrow, but still keep him on your radar. His play so far this game has been COMPLETELY unlike his town play, and maybe this is the scum team trying to protect Holy. It would explain their motive for having him claim in the first place. It does give us another mislynch so I think it would be poor play, but my opinion is hardly going to stop them... maybe, MAYBE he'll get off his ass and contribute now that the weekend's over. But I think he's just scum. (Having difficulty reconciling that with the doctor claim, but... frankly that doctor claim was a f***ing awful idea whatever his alignment, so I guess it being risky as scum isn't scum-indiciative.) Alakaslam I still gotta think about. If I die you're probably better off considering what he posts tomorrow rather than whatever thoughts I have now anyway. In the light of this claim I have no idea who scum will shoot. If they shoot me, good luck - you're gonna need it. (tl;dr I agree with sciberbia and mocsta, {Holyflare // Rean, Chezinu (jampi), Onegu}) Last-minute additions:Corazon's cop claim... gah. I don't see the point if he's scum. But damn it why did you claim so long before deadline? If the scum have a framer we could be led entirely up the garden path. I hope he's planning to check someone who isn't Onegu and was just claiming that to lead scum astray. I'd far prefer to see a check on Chezinu or even Holyflare than Onegu. Given how hard Corazon bashed on Holy for his claim I have hopes that Corazon has plans he hasn't revealed yet. He uses 4 reasons for his read based vote on me. The first he implies does not work if the person knows what the Chezinu rule is, yet here it is as 25% of his intention for a vote. Therefore 1/4 of his reasoning is factually incorrect. He says that a fake claim is another reason. My claim of vet is the truth so that is reasoning number 2 that is wrong, if i were to fake claim a role I wouldn't know how to do it because I don't know what the other roles would look like. It would be perfectly written because scum get fake claims, he has no mention of this. 50% factually incorrect His third point is because I like the colour blue.........? 75% useless Finally, he mentions the wisdom of the dead but uses incorrect logic from dead people's posts to do it. Aquanim stated that he has never seen me disinterested as town but did chezinu bother to fact check this at all? There is no mention of this so he must have done. Therefore he also read my scum game (hogwarts) where I most certainly was not disinterested either. He then uses JarJar's mention of my claim. Doctor was a fake claim and so of course JarJar was correct. However, vet was not my fake claim and he makes no mention of this either. 100% useless Chez purposefully misleads all of you in the attempt to look like he is one of the town group. He uses useless information that is clearly not fact checked to mislead you into thinking he is doing work. His playstyle is based on reads and as you don't know what his reads are at the time you do not know what alignment he is playing for. He has claimed GF (blue town role) but came under no scrutiny from bereft for this, no mention at all even though bereft's entire reasoning was that there can't be 3 blue roles which he claimed was his only reason for attacking me. Chezinu, Bereft. Scum team. I am looking at this and liking it, however, Chezinu flipped town. Mocsta has laid down a pretty strong case for Cora and HF not being scum together, so either you were wrong there or you are scum...But seeing how this was wrong, maybe Mocsta has a flaw in that same comparison. But I have seen CONF bias and I'm not gonna fall for it. Mocsta could be epic scum for all we know ATM, it's just most likely not the case (as with bereft, sciberia, I wish me) There is a lot of uncertainty out there and I think the thread shouldn't be as dead as it is... + Show Spoiler +(Read in GLaDOS voice)
...hello? Hello?
hmm. it's funny you like that bolded bit. because i was about to retract it after i wrote it pre- the night post for being horrible WIFOM / logix, but i couldn't be bothered because while i didn't like the means, i stood by the end conclusion (that chez was scum). can you expand on what you mean by that bolded part above? how does mocsta's case on why cora must be town relate to my bad logic on why chezinu was scum?
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Let me lay down the law here
@ slam BEREFT IS CONFIRMED TOWN. HF doesnt get lynched . Period, if you want to wait until after I flip town to confirm him ok, but to think he might be scum is dumb
@bereft YOU ARE CONFIRMED TOWN a scum slam most likely wouldnt attack you for being scum. With the other telling him dude attacking the confirmed townie is dumb and going to get you lynched
So that leaves sciberia, and he has played a uber town game, he is final scum with cora he deserves to win.
Cora is 100% scum, my points why me and cora cant both be town is stronger than mocstas why HF and cora cant both be scum arguement.
Mocsta might not be, but is like greater than 80% chance he is final scum, with Slam 15%, sciberia 5%
If we dont get endgame post you guys lynch Cora, dont talk about it, go read my case which none of you except maybe sciberia has done, and vote him.
IF I AM FINAL SCUM THERE IS STILL ONE MORE AND THE GAME ISNT OVER, IF I AM TOWN THE GAME IS LIKELY OVER.
With tnis in mind look who is looking for last scum and look at who is lazy. That would be cora and mocsta, less mocsta as he has done a little bit, but its mostly been onegu is scum here is why, not this person is scum with onegu.
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You are Gaetano Badalamenti, a Mobster (Vanilla Townie). You are one of the strongest candidates to take the position of Padrino in this fair city of liquidia. As the head of Liquidia's most famous drug running organization you are wealthy, and you think, above the law. Of course when its just twelve men in the city of vice, money doesn't weigh as much as you might think. Find the dirty pigs in your midst and see if you can't get elected to a position of even greater power.
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We need to think about what scumteams would shoot Chezinu over me/Mocsta/Cora.
Scenario 1: Slam and Onegu
I find Slam + Onegu the most scummy individually, but I feel unsure about them being scum together. What was their plan? They shoot Chezinu and have Slam vote Onegu. Onegu gets lynched and what's the plan from there? Slam is the logical lynch for D5. It doesn't seem like a viable route to victory. I only see a few plausible explanations for them shooting Chezinu. Either they were overly paranoid of Chezinu busting out some sick blue claim and clinching the game, or they wanted to introduce a bunch of WIFOM to deter us from lynching the scummiest players.
Scenario 2: Either Onegu or Slam is scum, and one of the 'town circle' is scum
If this is the case, then most likely is that scum took his 'undercover analyst' schenanigans seriously and were worried that he would be able to nail both scum if left alive. It's still kinda silly though because even if he nailed both scum he probably wouldn't be able to avoid his own lynch due to the lack of any town cred. So maybe scum is just totally derp or found something in his Chezinuish riddles that was dangerous to them. It's hard to say.
Scenario 3: Both Onegu and Slam are town
Not wasting my time worrying about this. Fact of the matter is that it's super unlikely and if in fact they are both town I think the game is beyond lost.
Well this was actualy much less conclusive than I thought it would be, but I'll post it anyway to get some feedback. My gut tells me that Scenario 2 is more likely. Not only because of the night kill explanation but also due to prior probabilities (math). However if that's the case we're in huge trouble because we have to figure out WHICH of onegu and slam is scum, and we have to figure out WHICH of the 'town circle' is scum. So I think we need to keep discussion going on who could be scum besides Slam and Onegu and not just afk lynch them one after the other. I'll put my thoughts in a separate post.
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Mocsta - I have a really bad feeling about Mocsta being scum with either Slam or Onegu. Individually Slam and Onegu look scummier, but I just have a bad feeling that if we lose it's going to be because Mocsta is scum. Here are some reasons why: - Scumtells from D1, D2, that were touched on by myself, Bereft, Onegu. I haven't done a proper case on Mocsta myself as I've never actually wanted to lynch him (even today I don't). To be honest I was really hoping he'd be shot by now so I don't have to worry about him.
- He's been so active and pushy that as a town leader he'd be a lurky scum team's worst nightmare. The shots on thrawn and chezinu rather than Mocsta are very puzzling to me if he is town.
- He has established that he is prone to reversing reads over the course of a few hours. This means he is extremely dangerous in 4-person LYLO if he is scum because he can vote for anyone and get away with it.
Cora - If not Mocsta, I think Cora could be scum. After all, I've detailed how I found his D1 play somewhat scummy, and his play ever since his cop claim has been anti-town, to say the least. But I disagree with Onegu that his anti-town play means that he has to be scum. Townies can play anti-town too. I also have a hard time seeing why he would fake cop, and then retract it after convincing everyone he was cop. Unless he is very much a believer in style before victory. Meh. Overall, between Mocsta and Bereft in terms of scumminess. I really can't see myself lynching him ever.
Bereft - I strongly strongly think Bereft is town. If I'm wrong, he has done a hell of a job of fooling me by starting the HolyFlare lynch, claiming veteran, and keeping all his play and pushing of HolyFlare consistent. This on top of his D1 play (on which I was leaning town) make it too hard for me to seriously consider him as scum.
So the most pressing question is: should we lynch Onegu today? He has 3 votes if I'm not mistaken.
The sad thing is that unless we are going to lynch Cora instead I'm not sure we have much choice. There are 4 townies alive right now, and we need 4 votes to lynch. So if Cora is town, even assuming that we could get the other 3 townies on a scum, we wouldn't end up getting them lynched. If we NL, then scum just delays and we are in a strictly worse position tomorrow.
I'm 100% sure that I'd rather lynch Onegu than Cora, but I'm really not too confident that Onegu is a better lynch than Slam. Onegu has been trying really hard recently, and I dunno it just makes me feel uneasy. On the other hand, Rean's slot was fairly scummy and Alakaslam is hard to read/understand.
@Bereft
If it was all up to you, who would you rather lynch today between Slam and Onegu?
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Mocsta and I haven't been killed because when we would flip town, Onegu's "scumhunting" would fall completely apart.
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Actually thinking about it, I'd be down for a Mocsta lynch after Onegu. I'll give more analysis after Onegu's flip.
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On November 30 2013 16:25 Bereft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 14:45 Alakaslam wrote:On November 29 2013 11:45 Bereft wrote:I totally missed this earlier: On November 26 2013 18:06 Mocsta wrote:On November 26 2013 17:56 Onegu wrote:On November 26 2013 17:45 Mocsta wrote:On November 26 2013 17:41 Onegu wrote:
Ok you spoiler it. I dont get why you spoil it. Really feels like you are trying to hide shit. dont even say I say its ok for him to change his reads but not you, you have done it MULTIPLE TIMES, I even say you can change your reads but you do 3 magical rereads and change your reads from scum to town and town to scum each time with no reasons given on alot of them, or only one liners. Also his reads come at a point, the his reads change once and not again like you suggest. He says he will consolidate but never takes his read back. He left himself outs you say, but he never used them. He kept his story. And aqua was confirmation biased he thought you were town, didnt have a read on jamp who tunneled him. He read over your case andddnt fact check it so you bringing up a confirmed town agreed with you means nothing. LOl.. so you are comparing the filter of a Day1 lurker; or a Day3 active.. and then suggesting that the Day1 lurker changes his mind less?.. no shit sherlock Aqua was C.B'd lol? Is that how you justify your position now? Spoilering posts means I want to hide stuff --> Scummy LOL... Let me know when you are ready to stop changing up your story Yeah remember that part about not responding to you or cora, we arent getting anywhere. And Im not going to keep shitting up the thread with you. I know you are going to try to use onegu wasnt reading, onegu doesnt know what he was talking about when I flip, Im guess its the first post you make after I flip. You are the one who brought up Aqua a confirmed townie agreeing with your case, I am showimg why that doesnt mean anything when it comes to that townie haveing a town read on you, at minumum a null read on jamp, and the case is about jamp haveing a scum read on aqua. blszinghand Scumslips do exist. We are in MYLO. Note how onegu refers to me using his filter after he flips. We got ourselves here scum boys n girls. funny how HF made the exact same mistake. On November 28 2013 11:11 Onegu wrote:On November 28 2013 11:02 Holyflare wrote:
Funny how bereft is "afk till 20 mins before deadline" though,
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##Vote Bereft Im still thinking if he is newb enough to do the claim as town. I am leaning against it. But doubt we will get enoughto switch onto him but lets give it a go and see what happens, if no one else switches I will hammer you though as if we go another day it will be lylo with the same wagons in me and you with no one else willing to change and that gets us no where. ##UNVOTE
##VOTE BEREFT the fact that he's willing to hammer HF even though he suspects me pretty much confirms it -- an onegu lynch day 4 a no-brainer. and i did promise that the first scum to vote HF would be spared for last, so it's only fair. now it's just a matter of confirming slammer is town. slammer! what is this? a confession?? On November 27 2013 14:25 Alakaslam wrote:On November 27 2013 14:24 Bereft wrote:
holy is scum. cora is town.
alright public announcement. listen up scummers:
whoever piles on first onto the HF train will be saved for last. Well I'm already there.
i feel pretty good about chezinu being the last scum; this is probably massive WIFOM, but when it becomes clear to HF he'll be lynched, suddenly chezinu becomes one of his scum reads (along with me + cora) and he even writes a case on it. i just don't think he'd have his final scum reads be 3 townies and bother to write a long case on a townie when he's moments from flipping red. also, rean's filter is more townie than jampi's in my opinion.On November 28 2013 11:28 Holyflare wrote:Also, in regards to chezinu, he is purposefully manipulating information to fit his style: On November 28 2013 00:00 Chezinu wrote:Holyflare. The light of the first dawn. I, Chezinu the Godfather of our beloved family, have declared thee unworthy to dwell among our presence., 1. You have broken the Chezinu Rule 2. You have lied to the family. 3. You have left the family for another. 4. You have been condemned by the Wisdom of the Dead. ##Vote Holyflare+ Show Spoiler +1. + Show Spoiler +Doesn't need an explanation 2. + Show Spoiler +3. + Show Spoiler +4. + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2013 12:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Why didn't Holys flavor say (medic) in parenthesis like mine and rayns say (vanilla townie)? On November 26 2013 11:58 Aquanim wrote:(A lot of this has been said already since I wrote a fair bit of it last night. But you can have it anyway.) Who to lynch tomorrow? My preference is Chezinu or Onegu. I'm pretty sure both of them are in the scumteam along with one of Holyflare/Alakaslam. The case on Jampidampi by Mocsta and the "scumslip" picked up by Thrawn is probably as close to a read on Chezinu as we're going to get, especially if Thrawn dies (since I'm pretty sure none of the rest of us have much prior experience with Chez). May as well flip that coin sooner rather than later. As for Onegu, this last tossup with Corazon has finally broken my credulity in just how few damns Onegu gives about this game. I honestly don't think there's any way he can have thought those two posts by Corazon were at the 2-hour mark if he's seriously analysing this game. His cases on Bereft and Mocsta could easily have been written by scum just pulling out post after post after post from their filters and saying the first damning-sounding thing which comes to mind. And while I was fooled by Onegu's indignation yesterday, I've been fooled by Onegu playing dumb before (see Newbie 43). I don't intend to let it happen again. You can lynch Onegu first to satisfy Corazon, if you like. As for Holyflare:
- I have never seen him angry as town, but that's the vibe I'm getting here
- I have never seen him this disinterested as town. Read page 4 of his filter, compare it to any town game he's played in the past, and tell me that this is a town Holyflare who is genuinely interested in pushing a lynch
- He could claim to save somebody who aren't the two who scum kills. In that case, use your judgement.
- Sure he hasn't played like this as scum before, but there's no reason to change his town meta into this and plenty of reason to change his scum meta (replaced into a scum team with lurkers, just plain doesn't want to even try to contribute)
A quick aside re. Holyflare+ Show Spoiler +If there's a save tonight obviously don't lynch Holy tomorrow, but still keep him on your radar. His play so far this game has been COMPLETELY unlike his town play, and maybe this is the scum team trying to protect Holy. It would explain their motive for having him claim in the first place. It does give us another mislynch so I think it would be poor play, but my opinion is hardly going to stop them... maybe, MAYBE he'll get off his ass and contribute now that the weekend's over. But I think he's just scum. (Having difficulty reconciling that with the doctor claim, but... frankly that doctor claim was a f***ing awful idea whatever his alignment, so I guess it being risky as scum isn't scum-indiciative.) Alakaslam I still gotta think about. If I die you're probably better off considering what he posts tomorrow rather than whatever thoughts I have now anyway. In the light of this claim I have no idea who scum will shoot. If they shoot me, good luck - you're gonna need it. (tl;dr I agree with sciberbia and mocsta, {Holyflare // Rean, Chezinu (jampi), Onegu}) Last-minute additions:Corazon's cop claim... gah. I don't see the point if he's scum. But damn it why did you claim so long before deadline? If the scum have a framer we could be led entirely up the garden path. I hope he's planning to check someone who isn't Onegu and was just claiming that to lead scum astray. I'd far prefer to see a check on Chezinu or even Holyflare than Onegu. Given how hard Corazon bashed on Holy for his claim I have hopes that Corazon has plans he hasn't revealed yet. He uses 4 reasons for his read based vote on me. The first he implies does not work if the person knows what the Chezinu rule is, yet here it is as 25% of his intention for a vote. Therefore 1/4 of his reasoning is factually incorrect. He says that a fake claim is another reason. My claim of vet is the truth so that is reasoning number 2 that is wrong, if i were to fake claim a role I wouldn't know how to do it because I don't know what the other roles would look like. It would be perfectly written because scum get fake claims, he has no mention of this. 50% factually incorrect His third point is because I like the colour blue.........? 75% useless Finally, he mentions the wisdom of the dead but uses incorrect logic from dead people's posts to do it. Aquanim stated that he has never seen me disinterested as town but did chezinu bother to fact check this at all? There is no mention of this so he must have done. Therefore he also read my scum game (hogwarts) where I most certainly was not disinterested either. He then uses JarJar's mention of my claim. Doctor was a fake claim and so of course JarJar was correct. However, vet was not my fake claim and he makes no mention of this either. 100% useless Chez purposefully misleads all of you in the attempt to look like he is one of the town group. He uses useless information that is clearly not fact checked to mislead you into thinking he is doing work. His playstyle is based on reads and as you don't know what his reads are at the time you do not know what alignment he is playing for. He has claimed GF (blue town role) but came under no scrutiny from bereft for this, no mention at all even though bereft's entire reasoning was that there can't be 3 blue roles which he claimed was his only reason for attacking me. Chezinu, Bereft. Scum team. I am looking at this and liking it, however, Chezinu flipped town. Mocsta has laid down a pretty strong case for Cora and HF not being scum together, so either you were wrong there or you are scum...But seeing how this was wrong, maybe Mocsta has a flaw in that same comparison. But I have seen CONF bias and I'm not gonna fall for it. Mocsta could be epic scum for all we know ATM, it's just most likely not the case (as with bereft, sciberia, I wish me) There is a lot of uncertainty out there and I think the thread shouldn't be as dead as it is... + Show Spoiler +(Read in GLaDOS voice)
...hello? Hello? hmm. it's funny you like that bolded bit. because i was about to retract it after i wrote it pre- the night post for being horrible WIFOM / logix, but i couldn't be bothered because while i didn't like the means, i stood by the end conclusion (that chez was scum). can you expand on what you mean by that bolded part above? how does mocsta's case on why cora must be town relate to my bad logic on why chezinu was scum?
I like this, in that it isn't scummy, but it's either wrong or you are scum.
You don't see the point that makes? Just the one you just made.
In other words, I am liking you for town, but I'm not sure I would follow you too readily.
I am going to filter the first oblige for a while, but AMA I am on for a bit.
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@Slam:
Can you look at Mocsta's game from a scum perspective (scum kills, HF's reads, the rayn lynch) and tell me if it makes sense for Mocsta to be scum?
The wheels have been turning in my head and I'm liking what I'm thinking.
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I'm down with a Corazon lynch
I think I'm alive because I have a strong town read in someone I shouldn't.
I will be home in about 6hrs and am will filter dive from there.
Scibs has voiced my concern pretty well. Oddly enough he didn't seem concerned I called him out. This game is just odd and my care factor has sunk to zilch.
That's courtesy if Corazon. I'm happy to lynch hun for funsies.
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Like.. the more I think about.. the more I think it's stupid for onegu and holyflare to push the same agenda so hard.
It's more likely in my opinion for holyflare to be feeding onegu
Plus Corazon has slowly been banking towards a push on me ever since bereft showed signs of weakness in his town read on me.
I really have to re read holyflare filter.
If the lynch is between slam and onegu, I am considering a slam lynch right now instead
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On December 01 2013 14:15 Mocsta wrote:
Like.. the more I think about.. the more I think it's stupid for onegu and holyflare to push the same agenda so hard.
It's more likely in my opinion for holyflare to be feeding onegu
Plus Corazon has slowly been banking towards a push on me ever since bereft showed signs of weakness in his town read on me.
I really have to re read holyflare filter.
If the lynch is between slam and onegu, I am considering a slam lynch right now instead
Why are you so reluctant to lynch Onegu?
Why can't you keep your story straight for more than 6 hours at a time?
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