• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 12:37
CET 18:37
KST 02:37
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT24Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0226LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker16
StarCraft 2
General
Liquipedia WCS Portal Launched ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Kaelaris on the futue of SC2 and much more... How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) How do the "codes" work in GSL? Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
A new season just kicks off BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ CasterMuse Youtube TvZ is the most complete match up
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Fighting Spirit mining rates Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1635 users

Newbie Mini Mafia LI - Page 62

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 60 61 62 63 64 68 Next
probuLing
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States75 Posts
January 16 2014 07:08 GMT
#1221
I wish there was a way to vote to not lynch, since that'd give us another day. Although knowing mafia it'd probably be a pretty well certain townie who dies tonight if that happened.
Tracking NA/EU/KR GM bonus pools: http://gm.probuling.com
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
January 16 2014 11:24 GMT
#1222
On January 16 2014 00:30 suki wrote:
Linking Day_Walker and sidesprang together:

Sidesprang posted:
Show nested quote +
Only way that post makes sense if Day_Walker is mafia is if thedragoon is mafia. With 9 votes on a player, why would you try to change the vote in any way if you were mafia, unless the person with the 9 votes were your mafia buddy.

Atleast that is what pops to my head first when trying to see it from a mafia perspective.

This can be seen as a soft defense of Day_Walker, knowing that sidesprang knows theDragoon is not mafia.

Sidesprang posted:
Show nested quote +
Day_Walker

When I read his filter I see a possibility for him being scum, however I think its way more likely for him to be scum if theDragoon is scum

I feel he gave him a weak townread in the start with his list. And when BigDad says he find Day_Walker and theDragon both became overly defensive about it.

And also as chinstrap pointed out making a scumcase for the lurkers and a towncase for theDragoon, is something that very well can be done as scum regardless of theDragoon's allignment. And the more I think about it, I think it's more likely to be done if he is scum.

If he makes a case for theDragoon is town then if he flips town he gets cred. If he flips scum then he tried to save his buddy.

I do however feel this is very circumstantial and I would not feel comfortable lynching him, but this is what I read when I tried to view him as scum.


Sidesprang flips back and forth on whether he thinks Day_Walker is scum, or not. His final verdict is he would not be comfortable lynching Day_Walker. Another defense.

Aside from these two early non-scum reads on Day_Walker, sidesprang has not commented on Day_Walker. I think this supports the Day_Walker/sidesprang scum team theory, because Day_Walker has been in the spotlight for the last few days and sidesprang hasn't commented on him once.


In Day_Walker's first post, he lists sidesprang as town (along with everyone else). Shortly after sidesprang bandwagoned onto theDragoon, Day_Walker posts his anti-lurker post where he votes dnyarri for being a scummy lurker. Sidesprang is in that list as well. Balla had already commented that sidesprang's vote looked like a bus, so it's a good move to include sidesprang in the list of lynch targets. Day_Walker doesn't actually say that sidesprang looks scummy though.

In one of Day_Walker's more recent posts he proposes dnyarri+Asuna+Derrida scum team. He later backs down but doesn't propose a new team. There's a total absence of comment on sidesprang from Day_Walker.

In addition, Day_Walker and sidesprang avoided voting on the same people in all three lynches so far. There's ample reason for Mafia to not vote together, especially when town is so confused.


I feel that Day_Walker and sidesprang can be explained by their weak reads and lack of posts against each other, as well as their voting patterns.


I'm sorry, but nothing of this points to me being scum, and every link you are finding is more confirmation bias than anything. On page 58 you said I was scum with BigDad because I never mentioned him. Now I'm scum with Day_walker because I hardly mentioned him.

TBH its just seems to me that you are reading filters, and dont look at when or why the posts are being made. And when you find something that supports your theory you think you have found something. That is a very backwards way of going about finding scum.

If I was scum with Day_Walker I really dont understand why i would bother defending him when it was like 8 votes vs 2. Seems like a dumb idea to link us togheter, especially when my defence for him is that bad.

Regarding the lurker list of Day_Walker that is not allignment indicative due to the fact I was lurking (or I was not lurking but I was not there for like 24h). If we are scum togheter or not he has to mention me because I was lurking.

Regarding dnyarri + asuna + derrida scum team, why would he mention me there. If he believes in that theory he found all scummers.

The voting part = confirmation bias again.



Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 16 2014 14:15 GMT
#1223
sidesprang if you're really town then why don't you start forming cases and put your vote somewhere because defending yourself isn't helping.

No matter what case I bring up, scum can always explain away the points (minus obvious scum slips, and I don't really see anything like that). So prove your towniness by making a case, and if there's flaws in it then you'll slip as scum anyways.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 16 2014 14:21 GMT
#1224
To Asuna: You should be making your own reads. The more different perspectives we have the better chance we have of finding something incriminating. Especially in your position as a confirmed blue, you're pretty much the only person whose intentions I can 100% trust.

My reads are all plainly laid out in my night post.. Nothing's happened at all since then so there's nothing for me to add... -_-

probuLing
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States75 Posts
January 16 2014 16:18 GMT
#1225
DW seems to have just gone away to nowhere, which is concerning. He did push for Derrida slightly before Derrida died as scum, even pointing to me as being paired with Derrida. Not sure if that's just to get town cred or not...

dnyarri doesn't seem to like BigDad very much. Seems quite fine with sidesprang though UNLESS he is paired with BigDad or DW, but not so much alone. Doesn't really like DW either.

BigDad - also doesn't seem to like DW, or dnyarri for that matter.

sidesprang - doesn't like dnyarri. Ambivalent towards DW.

And I think you are town suki, so the most compatible pairings seem to be DW + sidepsrang or sidesprang + BigDad. But the town is really quiet so.... sidesprang is the common factor in those pairings so here's to hoping.

##Vote: sidesprang
Tracking NA/EU/KR GM bonus pools: http://gm.probuling.com
Deleted User 323385
Profile Joined December 2013
41 Posts
January 16 2014 16:59 GMT
#1226
One thing that started to worry me is that Derrida never seemed to like sidesprang. And as Asuna noted, my biggest reason to go after sidesprang is that sidesprang seems to be compatible with my top scum reads and that sidesprang seemed somewhat scummy, but not scummiest. But how compatible sidesprang is with Derrida? I have to admit that I didn't really think about it earlier.

It seemed that Derrida was eager to go after sidesprang. I guess Derrida didn't guess that they would die so why would Derrida attack sidesprang? Later on it would have been hard to change mind.

I'm now more happy to lynch Day_Walker than sidesprang.
probuLing
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States75 Posts
January 16 2014 17:18 GMT
#1227
On January 17 2014 01:59 dnyarri wrote:
One thing that started to worry me is that Derrida never seemed to like sidesprang. And as Asuna noted, my biggest reason to go after sidesprang is that sidesprang seems to be compatible with my top scum reads and that sidesprang seemed somewhat scummy, but not scummiest. But how compatible sidesprang is with Derrida? I have to admit that I didn't really think about it earlier.

It seemed that Derrida was eager to go after sidesprang. I guess Derrida didn't guess that they would die so why would Derrida attack sidesprang? Later on it would have been hard to change mind.

I'm now more happy to lynch Day_Walker than sidesprang.

hmm true derrida didn't like sidesprang at all
Tracking NA/EU/KR GM bonus pools: http://gm.probuling.com
Deleted User 323385
Profile Joined December 2013
41 Posts
January 16 2014 17:46 GMT
#1228
Day_Walker is scummy, but who would be Day_Walker's remaining scum-buddy? It seems that not sidesprang because of Derrida's stance on sidesprang. While Day_Walker is very scummy, I can't really think who would be Day_Walker's remaining scum buddy.

I'm leaning more towards sidesprang + BIgDad + Derrida theory. It seems to have least contradictions. However, there doesn't seem to be facts either that would really support this theory. It's frustrating because it makes it really hard to choose my vote and I really should be studying mathematics now.

Deleted User 323385
Profile Joined December 2013
41 Posts
January 16 2014 18:15 GMT
#1229
Damn what were I thinking. sidesprang + BigDad + Derrida theory doesn't work any better for the same reason why sidesprang + Day_Walker + Derrida.
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
January 16 2014 18:17 GMT
#1230
Ok, when reading dnyarris posts here I really doubt he would defend me like that as he did in his second last post as mafia if he was mafia. As he could have just gone with the popular oppinion. Tho he do semi retract it in his newest post, I think he is genuinly trying to figure out the game.

Dnyarri from my PoV = confirmed town.

Asuna, the scenarios that makes her scum / SK is just far to unlikely at this point. Asuna = confirmed town.


That leaves me with 3 unconfirmed town, and I've been looking plenty at them all. But I really can't seem to put together a case for scum on any. However Suki have played way way more protown, so I'm fairly certain that scum should be Day_Walker and BigDad. If not the scummers have played really well.

##Vote Day_Walker


I know this wont be so easy for you to see, as I know I'm town and you don't. But it's all I got.
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
January 16 2014 18:40 GMT
#1231
Day 4 vote count:

sidesprang (1): Asuna
Day_Walker (3): BigDad, suki, sidesprang

Not voting (2): dnyarri, Day_Walker

Currently, Day_Walker is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Thursday, Jan 16 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory!

If there are errors, please let us know.
Deleted User 323385
Profile Joined December 2013
41 Posts
January 16 2014 18:57 GMT
#1232
If Day_Walker really has been afk all this time, it's possible too that mafia sacrifices Day_Walker for more credibility. This is just theory again but I really have problems finding hard data. I'm saying this because I've spent hours looking through filters and I can't find working combination that could be backed with facts alone.

From all players, Day_Walker seems scummiest to me. Time is running out and the best we seem to have is individual scum reads.

##Vote Day_Walker
Day_Walker
Profile Joined December 2013
104 Posts
January 16 2014 19:53 GMT
#1233
Sorry I've been a bad townie. Real life is a thing :/

Anyway, I just want to point out that
1) right now you are set to lynch the only person who did not vote for the townie lynch yesterday.
2) assuming Asuna town, right now from town POV there is one scum vote on me, and from my POV there are two, Bussing me certainly would sense, so sadly this is not a very strong point.

Right now my scum reads are BigDad, sidesprang, and dnyarri in that order.

My vote stays where it has been:

##Vote: BigDad
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
January 16 2014 20:07 GMT
#1234
Day 4 vote count:

sidesprang (1): Asuna
Day_Walker (4): BigDad, suki, sidesprang, dnyarri
BigDad (1): Day_Walker

Currently, Day_Walker is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Thursday, Jan 16 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory!

If there are errors, please let us know.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
January 16 2014 22:03 GMT
#1235
[image loading]


Endgame





Petrograd was quickly becoming a hostile place to live in. People were becoming very restless over the unexplained deaths and starting to doubt the cause. The revolution was not going well after chinstrap's death, with no one to take the role of a strong leader.

Once again there was a gathering to try to solve the issue of White spies, but this time there was no enthusiasm. No one trusted each other anymore, and with all the strong leaders gone there was little discussion. When it was suggested that Day_Walker might be a spy people just quickly agreed and the execution proceeded with little fuss.

As the corpse of Day_Walker was thrown into a shallow grave, suki pulled a flare gun from under his coat and fired a white flare up to the evening sky, and yelled:

'Comrades, your time is up. Your revolution has failed. Those directly involved in subversive activities are to surrender themselves to real authorities and prepare for appropriate punishment. Everyone else, go home and stay indoors until law and order has been fully restored.'

As he said this, White soldiers entered the city and started taking over the functions that had been run by Red revolutionaries.

In the coming months, there would be strict investigations and harsh punishments for those suspected of involvement, and many would die in Siberian gulags for their traitorous acts. History books would remember the revolution as "Petrograd Insurrection", and paint the White spies as selfless heroes who risked their lives for the country.



Day_Walker the Bolshevik Revolutionary (Vanilla Townie) has been lynched!

sidesprang the Bolshevik Revolutionary (Vanilla Townie) is endgamed!
dnyarri the Bolshevik Revolutionary (Vanilla Townie) is endgamed!

Asuna the Cheka Recruit (Town 1-Shot Cop) is endgamed!

suki the White Saboteur (Mafia Roleblocker) is victorious!
BigDad the White Conspirator (Mafia Goon) is victorious!
Derrida the White Conspirator (Mafia Goon) is victorious from beyond the grave!




Game over!
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 16 2014 22:04 GMT
#1236
Good game everyone! =]
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 16 2014 22:05 GMT
#1237
muahahaha.

Also, can we get the link to the obs QT? I'm dying to read it.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 16 2014 22:06 GMT
#1238
Also big thanks to LoneMeow for hosting the game
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
January 16 2014 22:07 GMT
#1239
Obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/qFBDtfXSQ4Yj
Scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/AFqXVnehSSZcm
BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 16 2014 22:10 GMT
#1240
Muahahaha. GG!
|=| Bonkers |=|
Prev 1 60 61 62 63 64 68 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Big Brain Bouts
17:00
#107
Shameless vs MaNa
Reynor vs SKillous
RotterdaM421
Liquipedia
Epic.LAN
12:00
#47 - Day 1
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 421
IndyStarCraft 71
UpATreeSC 59
Creator 53
JuggernautJason39
StarCraft: Brood War
Hyuk 415
hero 151
Hyun 93
Backho 60
Aegong 48
Mind 43
JulyZerg 28
Rock 26
yabsab 17
Movie 16
[ Show more ]
Shine 13
ivOry 8
Dota 2
Gorgc6305
qojqva1292
League of Legends
C9.Mang00
Counter-Strike
fl0m4862
byalli584
Heroes of the Storm
crisheroes305
Liquid`Hasu154
MindelVK15
Other Games
singsing1999
Grubby1633
FrodaN1330
hiko715
tarik_tv704
Beastyqt495
Fuzer 176
Liquid`VortiX134
XaKoH 106
Hui .103
Trikslyr89
QueenE79
ArmadaUGS60
KnowMe33
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL57770
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 36
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix5
• Michael_bg 5
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV415
League of Legends
• Nemesis2763
• Jankos1611
• TFBlade533
• Shiphtur243
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
6h 23m
PiG Sty Festival
15h 23m
herO vs NightMare
Reynor vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
16h 23m
Epic.LAN
18h 23m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
21h 23m
Replay Cast
1d 6h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 15h
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 16h
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-19
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4 - TS5
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026: China & Korea Invitational
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.