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On November 21 2013 05:22 Mig wrote:
BC why did you mason VE day 1? Also, any reason for revealing all of this so late? And who do you want to lynch tomorrow.
I haven't been here since before the flip for one.
As for revealing it so late? I was dead set against outing blues for no reason. A mason circle I believed to be filled with just town is typically one i'd want to hide from scum no?
Who I want lynched won't obviously get lynched so instead Id have to go with 2 of mattchew, hopeless and holy
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For balance setup there should be 2-3 masons within the group yes. Id say its down to lone, grack, holy.
I say this for what I view are obvious reasons.
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On November 21 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack how does BC know you masoned BH on D1?
....he claimed it in thread
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or was that day 2 it was done? -_- regardless he masoned bh
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On November 21 2013 10:20 Mig wrote:
Mafia has 2kp and I shot Mattchew (unfortunately)
Still catching up. Not surprised that im on the lynch given yesterdays thread sentiment however I am amused that a town member who has admitted to shooting 2 townies, one who flipped medic, and then made a huge excuse of why he couldn't shoot his top scum read.
Seems odd no one has noticed or mentioned this (page 226 currently still however)
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On November 21 2013 11:04 Holyflare wrote:
You didn't get shot, therefore roleblock went onto artanis, artanis was most likely to shoot BC after all as he voted him over BH yesterday. BC is likely to be scum therefore otherwise they could just let BC die.
This leaves rayn open to plant bombs, he posts a list of who these bombs are on. Doctor is dead so it isn't likely there is another doc, that's 3 town kills that scum can get with just 1 kp. There is no way they do not take that chance.
Factually this is wrong.
Scum benefit the most by rbing and killing artanis. They force a misslynch onto me. Why would mafia let the #1 most thought of as scum player in the game die to a vig when they can force a misslynch? Seriously.
Also, anyone that believes Rayn's claim at this point must realize that Mig can't be town. If people believe mig's claim they can't believe Rayn is town.
No host ever in a normal game is going to give town enough night kp that could in 2 nights kill the entire mafia team. Not when you factor in a town rber, medic, multiple trackers and apparently a vet.
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On November 21 2013 13:25 Mig wrote:
BC are you seriously trying to claim that Mafia had 3 starting kp AND 2 2 shot vigs. Just lol come on.
Hey, Im saying its a possibility. If town is able to rb a mafia kp away, giving mafia a way to "recoup" that ability isn't exactly game breaking.
Are you trying to tell me however that Town has 2 2 shot vigis and a hatter? Seriously? I may have had a really shitty game so far but at least im not that naive.
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On November 21 2013 13:27 Mig wrote:
The fact that bc is this dense just solidifies the fact that he is most likely scum.
Or you guys have way to high an expectation of my town play.
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On November 21 2013 13:29 Holyflare wrote:
Why do you find it hard to believe mig's claim but not VA's claim of another Mad hatter??
Hard to believe? Im questioning why no one seems any bit suspicious of a guy who admitted to not only shooting 1 townie but also a town medic.
Im also finding it hard to believe no one is seriously looking at him and saying "hey dude, if you think bc is 100% scum and you have a bullet, just shoot him" Who cares if it overlaps with another vig. If you think artanis was likely to get rb'd like it was discussed then you take the shot
a) hoping that mafia only has 1 rber at most
b) ensuring that artanis isnt lying about his shot
Seriously. Why even claim during the night phase? The whole timing of his claim is fucking bad. Why claim then make excuses of why you can't shoot your main scumread then fire into lurkers. Fire at an active player you think is scum.
On November 21 2013 09:07 Mig wrote:
Woulda been so nice if BC died. Probably scum and learn so much from his death.
Also how did you know I wasn't dying 3 - 4 pages before the flip?
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On November 21 2013 13:32 Mig wrote:
Also I am not an idiot like Mocsta. If I was a mafia vig I would just kill people and never claim. I claimed because I thought I was going to die and that thought the town should have the information. I was under 0 pressure and half the people already said they thought I was town. Why would I ever claim as mafia.
BC if you are town you literally have 0 common sense.
if you think town should have information why did you unshare your read spreadsheet yesterday?
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Also HF, its not that I find vaynes claim believable so much as it seems more legit in a way then say, a town vig openly shooting town power roles/players, making excuses to avoid shooting his main read.
IF mig is town then rayne clearly isn't. No way in hell town has 6 night kp + 2 trackers + a med + a rber +apparently now 2 vets
Do you honestly think town has 3 kill roles, 2 dts, a med, a rber and 2 vets + a bunch of masons? Exclusing masons that would leave what ? 9 power roles vs whatever the mafia has? Thats still more power roles than mafia has numbers and incredibly fucking broken for town.
There is no way there are 3 town kp roles. Of those 3 claims 1 is dead and flipped town, 1 has actively shot town. Do I think vayne looks good? Not really but his claim is more believable.
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On November 21 2013 13:37 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 13:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
if you think town should have information why did you unshare your read spreadsheet yesterday? 1) I already answered that, maybe if you read the thread you would know these things. 2) way to completely ignore my point broski. Give me a motivation for claiming the vig shot as mafia. Lets hear it.
Simple. You have a role that overlaps with a town role. You can easily fakeclaim. Given that there are no alignment cops you have essentially impunity to shoot someone of your choice. Given you have a role you can fakeclaim you opt to shoot into a pool of players that have a ton of negative sentiment on that could or not have mafia in it. Regardless you opt for a person you know won't flip scum and shoot.
Claiming when you did was fucked, as was making excuses on not to shoot your top read.
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On November 21 2013 13:45 Mig wrote:
Anyone who is town and thinks I am mafia should quit mafia forever. I am dead serious.
The idea that mafia has 3 kp + 2 2shot vigs and THEN I as mafia just decide hey lets claim that I shot the doctor n1 when no kp was missing then decided to claim this shot also when I could stay silent and shoot actual helpful townies instead of fucking mattchew. It is so beyond ridiculous I feel like I am losing my mind.
WIFOM
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On November 21 2013 13:46 austinmcc wrote:
BC i get that you are concerned about the amount of KP that town might have here, but two questions:
(1) Why believe that mig is fakeclaiming rather than rayn or vayne? (or at least you appear focused on him, although I know you present the rayn/mig choice to everyone. Also, vayne claimed hatter as well)
(2) If mig is NOT a town vigi, then you're presenting the following scenario --> scum shot sharrant N1, either with factional KP (mig is lying about vigi, no factional KP was rbed) or with vigi (mig is scum vigi, factional KP was rbed).
Why does mafia, with EITHER kind of KP on N1, shoot sharrant? He was not particularly townie. He was not particularly active. In the world where mig is NOT a town vigi, either a REAL town vigi has not counterclaimed the shot (unlikely) OR scum chose to shoot sharrant over yourself (who you, I assume, are arguing is town) or others. Why does scum shoot sharrant N1?
I am concentrating on mig purely for one thing.
He claimed really retardedly, then makes a post making an excuse as to why he didnt shoot me. He openly admits due to artanis' claim that the likelyhood of him being rb'd was high. He wanted me dead, he then doesnt shoot me and shoots town instead. Whats worse? killing a town, or overlapping a shot with another vig who might be rb'd to ensure your top read dies. HE THEN POSTS SHIT LIKE THIS
On November 21 2013 09:07 Mig wrote:
Woulda been so nice if BC died. Probably scum and learn so much from his death.
This is a post before the fucking flip. How does he know I am not going to die? This to me is a huge scumslip.
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On November 21 2013 13:46 austinmcc wrote:
BC i get that you are concerned about the amount of KP that town might have here, but two questions:
(1) Why believe that mig is fakeclaiming rather than rayn or vayne? (or at least you appear focused on him, although I know you present the rayn/mig choice to everyone. Also, vayne claimed hatter as well)
(2) If mig is NOT a town vigi, then you're presenting the following scenario --> scum shot sharrant N1, either with factional KP (mig is lying about vigi, no factional KP was rbed) or with vigi (mig is scum vigi, factional KP was rbed).
Why does mafia, with EITHER kind of KP on N1, shoot sharrant? He was not particularly townie. He was not particularly active. In the world where mig is NOT a town vigi, either a REAL town vigi has not counterclaimed the shot (unlikely) OR scum chose to shoot sharrant over yourself (who you, I assume, are arguing is town) or others. Why does scum shoot sharrant N1?
Why would scum shoot spag? kush? sharrant? storr?
Artanis and yamato you could make easy cases for.
However why shoot most players over me? Well easy.
Day 1 you have the mayor and pardoner liking me for town, with one of them actively telling people to med me. The likelyhood of me getting med prot was super high then. Day 2 you have people suspecting me all day. Why would you shoot someone you could get misslynched. Wasting 1 slot of a double lynch benefits mafia hugely.
Whoever is making the shots is either blue sniping, is incredibly lucky, or is afraid to actively shoot a more active player/vet in fear of med prot/vet.
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On November 21 2013 14:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Basically BC, mig has 0 reason to claim as scum. None. At all.
why? If i was a scum vig id claim. TBH in this setup id claim as any role a scum could have aside from bomber and rolecop as they match up with a town role. Any setup that both sides can claim the same role it is always a high possibility mafia will claim.
As for 0 reason? Thread consensus is to believe the claim and hes town. That is motivation right there. People will just go "herp derp your right"
He also claims to know that im not going to die before the night post. Regardless of you think of him having reasons to actually claim or not, why hasnt he explained the fact he knew i wasn't dying?
If you still believe he is town, do you not honestly find the other two town kp role claims slightly fishy? 8 kp against 6 mafia?
I honestly get people not wanting to believe/trust me given the suspicion im under but seriously ask yourself how he knew I wasn't dying. The only way someone can know that is if he knew for sure mafia had a rber at the time and that the action was being used on artanis.
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On November 21 2013 14:10 Mig wrote:
Bc if you think I am scum please vote for me. Show that you are putting 0 effort into actual scum hunting.
I've done scumhunting. Sadly people think all my contributions are worthless and shit.
Here I am pointing out that
On November 21 2013 09:07 Mig wrote:
Woulda been so nice if BC died. Probably scum and learn so much from his death.
you knew I wasn't dying. How? Ive scum hunted repeatedly. I may not have articulated it the best but realistically you have no way to know I wasn't dying unless you have knowledge the thread doesn't. Like night actions of other players.
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On November 21 2013 14:13 austinmcc wrote:
BC, your posts on mig being sure you weren't going to die are absolutely true.
Except...I feel like you have merged with rayn. raynycobbler or bloodypelikoneet.
I can understand someone saying "ME SO SAD YOU NO DIE" when they have KP and were planning on shooting you, then got mindgamed out of it by another guy with a shot, only to find out the other guy didn't shoot either.
That scenario makes plenty of sense as one to say "it would have been nice if you'd died." mig wanted to shoot you, artanis wanted to shoot you, but neither did, oopsies. Sure do wish you got shot. Why is it that you only interpret his statement as foreknowledge of your continued survival, and not as "shucks, wish I'd shot me some BCs"?
Simple. He added the very likely possibility of artanis being rb'd and himself dying. If you think you are going to die, and the other claimed vig to be rb'd you shoot your top read. He even says it will give the thread a bunch of information. So instead he shoots mattchew, who gives next to nothing.
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On November 21 2013 14:21 Mig wrote:
It is common sense, I wasnt shooting you artanis said he wasnt. Tell me the scenario where mafia wants to kill you lol. You said yourself you were under the most suspicion. I didnt "know" you wouldnt die but it had to be 99%+.
I refuse to believe you can be town with this thinking. If you were town I think you come back realize I am almost certainly town and work to actually pick out a scum. This is just your mafia hail mary. The fact you snap believe VA and rayn and just push me while refusing to listen to reason seals it.
what fucking reason?
You seriously believe you can make some bullshit excuse on why you didnt shoot me all because artanis claimed he was going to? You admit you expected to die. You admit you were sure he was being rbed
As such why the fuck didn't you shoot me? You say in which scenario where mafia wants to kill me. Guess what, I think your mafia and you didnt shoot me, thus hey, we are in a scenario in which mafia didn't want to kill me.
If you were 99% sure that without your shot I wasn't dying and don't shoot me (your top scum read) then you are fucking scum. Its an obvious setup to a misslynch.
And as for snap believe rayn and VA? i still think one of them is likely lying as well. Because again, 6 town kp is fucking retarded broken vs 6 scum.
I don't believe town has 7+ non mason roles. But hey, maybe this is cause marv has been around long enough to not only see some of the flames hosts have gotten for that shit hes heard it more than once from people he talks to. I currently however am looking strongly at the one guy who has claimed a role + acted in a way that screams fucking scum.
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On November 21 2013 14:27 Mig wrote:
Like I said targeting me is a hail mary. He isnt worried about finding scum he is just trying to save his neck so he targets me without using any reason. I mean if you take away my vig claim did anyone think I was mafia?
You've been suspected of mafia off and on all game actually. Supersoft actually thought or still thinks your scum
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