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On November 16 2013 22:24 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 22:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 16 2013 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:On November 16 2013 21:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Anyone else around to bounce reads with? I'm feeling a bit of one on one read bouncing but Onegu doesn't seem to be capable of that right now on his phone  I am semi here, who do you want to talk about? The idea is to bounce reads off of one another. I ask you about someone, you answer me and ask me about someone. What do you think about BC? I'll give BC "leaning slightly town". I don't see anything especially scummy in his posts.
So you see something slightly townie in his filter? Could you expand on what gives you that feel? And could you ask me about someone you find interesting? The idea of this little excercise is to get better reads for both of us on eachother and get other perspectives on the people we ask about. Your answer doesn't really help in that regard.
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On November 16 2013 22:44 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 22:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 16 2013 22:24 LoneMeow wrote:On November 16 2013 22:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 16 2013 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:On November 16 2013 21:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Anyone else around to bounce reads with? I'm feeling a bit of one on one read bouncing but Onegu doesn't seem to be capable of that right now on his phone I am semi here, who do you want to talk about? The idea is to bounce reads off of one another. I ask you about someone, you answer me and ask me about someone. What do you think about BC? I'll give BC "leaning slightly town". I don't see anything especially scummy in his posts. So you see something slightly townie in his filter? Could you expand on what gives you that feel? And could you ask me about someone you find interesting? The idea of this little excercise is to get better reads for both of us on eachother and get other perspectives on the people we ask about. Your answer doesn't really help in that regard. I find his early reads agreeable and his agenda town, pushing players who are definitely not playing pro-town. I'd like to hear what you think about yamato, seeing as he's the "second option" for mayor right now.
I find BC hard to read. On one hand I find his push on Grack and Storr weak. Both players were already being pushed and I feel BC pushed them too strongly for the reasons he provided. However, I checked his previous game in PTP where he was town and he pushed xxSK8rGUy277xx even harder than anyone trolling this game, which leads me to believe that his push isn't alignment indicative. He hasn't provided that much other than those two pushes. Don't like his platform of supporting ss but I don't find it scummy either, so I'm placing him as null right now.
Yamato has been confrontational this game. He's also tried to keep the conversation on topic whenever it was getting derailed.
On November 15 2013 09:19 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 09:18 Grackaroni wrote:
I agree with VE. Let's elect Kushm4sta as Mayor and then allow him to exterminate the supposed Hiro Protagonist for his blatant anti kush sentiment. there's actually stuff you could talk about, you know
He's asking a lot of questions which is in his meta for both alignments, but he arrives at conclusions from them this game whereas in scum games he seems content to just fire in every direction. Yamato's posts all feel like they're coming from a town perspective to me.
What do you think about Spaghetticus?
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Do you have anything useful to add Mocsta? A lot has happened since your last posts.
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On November 16 2013 23:37 Spaghetticus wrote:
I'd also like to add that the nature of my summary is everything I found to be non-fluff. If it's not mentioned, it's likely I thought it fluff. I've named the pages so that people can verify the accuracy of my statements easily, or look for more information. I've got to write some D&D campaign for tomorrow and catch some sleeps... in the next nine hours. I've then got to host said campaign for approx five hours. I don't want to be entirely silent up until the election, but I don't really have time to do much.
Can someone give me an estimate of how long until the election? I have no idea how to read/interpret global time readouts. The way I thought intuitive turned up an impossible result. I'll try to turn up sometime before the election... but this isn't boding well for my sleeps...
Election finishes in about 10 hours and 20 minutes.
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On November 16 2013 23:50 Mig wrote:I read it, I agree with some of the points. Especially removing Grack/Storr from his lynch candidates with little to no explanation is weird to me. Other points are cherry picking tho, asking people their thoughts on Grack is a good thing. Forces people to take a side and gives you more information to define your read with. Overall even though VE hasn't made any strong cases the questions he asks are good and I think are generally leading the town discussion in a good direction. Right now I am still open to voting VE but I am considering voting BC also.
Are you confident in that BC is town? If so, what specifically changed your mind from null?
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On November 17 2013 00:00 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 23:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Are you confident in that BC is town? If so, what specifically changed your mind from null? No I wouldn't say I am super confident BC is town, although I liked his pressure on Storr. But I agree with his 2 top scum picks, grack/storrzerg and I would prefer to see one of them lynched over VE's current candidates. Which is why I am considering him more strongly.
He only really pressured Storr for a little bit though in his initial post with Grack. After that it was a back and forth where neither side were really accomplishing anything. No stronger reads or convincing of anyone that the other was town. BC also stopped pressing for either of them to get lynched in favour of discrediting Yamato and pushing for ss as mayor. He doesn't seem to have conviction in his cases.
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On November 17 2013 00:09 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 23:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
What do you think about Spaghetticus? Before his VE case I'd have said completely null. I haven't fully analyzed the case yet, but just the fact that he's pushing someone most consider town makes him either quite ballsy scum or town, and I'd be tempted to think the latter is more probable (NB: I'm not aware of his meta). What do you think of raynpelikoneet?
I think Spaghetticus is the towniest town in the block right now. His opening was really paranoid, and the fact that he made a case on the player with the most townreads just underlines this really strongly. Trust is hard for him to come by and it makes perfect sense to start out that way when you're still trying to find your way. As far as I know this is his first big game and first non-newbie game, and he's playing exactly as how I'd expect a townie in that position to play and completely the opposite of how a scum in that position would play.
I've come around to Rayn. My opinions on him are well documented in my filter. His current play has shaped up quite a bit and I feel like he's asking good questions and I have no qualms over his current play. What do you think of Mig?
Also, Mocsta is scum. His case on StorrZerg was awfully artificial to begin with and he hasn't brought it back up since returning to the thread. As soon as Spaghetticus sticks his neck out and someone questioned about him before, Mocsta sees his chance of casting suspicion on someone and trying to gain some town cred. 30 minutes after his giant case Mocsta already calls it bogus, clearly not having read it properly as he says:
On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:
Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE?
I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play.
When Spaghetti clearly indicates he doesn't want to lynch VE, he just wants him to not become mayor, which would be evident if he actually read the case properly. Mocsta saw an opportunity to make someone look bad and took it. He wasn't interested in actually finding out his alignment.
I wish to see him hang.
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On November 17 2013 00:11 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 00:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
He only really pressured Storr for a little bit though in his initial post with Grack. After that it was a back and forth where neither side were really accomplishing anything. No stronger reads or convincing of anyone that the other was town. BC also stopped pressing for either of them to get lynched in favour of discrediting Yamato and pushing for ss as mayor. He doesn't seem to have conviction in his cases. Do you like VE's lynch candidates? Which of Skanjab, Pandain, Sharrant do you think are likely to be scum? I agree that BC's unwavering support of ss is shady to me.
I have a weak scumread on Sharrant, and haven't really looked into Skanjab or Pandain yet. They haven't said anything that tickled my fancy yet.
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On November 17 2013 00:39 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 00:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also, Mocsta is scum. His case on StorrZerg was awfully artificial to begin with and he hasn't brought it back up since returning to the thread. As soon as Spaghetticus sticks his neck out and someone questioned about him before, Mocsta sees his chance of casting suspicion on someone and trying to gain some town cred. 30 minutes after his giant case Mocsta already calls it bogus, clearly not having read it properly as he says: On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:
Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE?
I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play. When Spaghetti clearly indicates he doesn't want to lynch VE, he just wants him to not become mayor, which would be evident if he actually read the case properly. Mocsta saw an opportunity to make someone look bad and took it. He wasn't interested in actually finding out his alignment. I wish to see him hang. This is an absolute joke. Why are you intentionally trying to manipulate this situation into your favour. Explain now how I "trying to gain some town cred" by querying spaggheticus.FYI, I did not read the entire diatribe on VE. Kudos to you if you did, however, to me: the intent is the same as far as im concerned. Its shitting up the thread on someone that is a valid candidate in my opinion. I vehemently disagree on your last statement.
Tell me why any scum attacks any town player? Is that really a question?
Yeah, it's definitely shitting up the thread when he posted his case in a spoiler tag to prevent exactly that. You just threw out an accusation because you saw an easy opportunity to do so that you thought had little chance of backfiring. That's been your entire game so far. You've attacked StorrZerg, Grackaroni, and Hopeless1der, all easy targets, and now you saw another one to add to the list. You're scum bro.
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On November 17 2013 00:52 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 00:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 17 2013 00:39 Mocsta wrote:On November 17 2013 00:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also, Mocsta is scum. His case on StorrZerg was awfully artificial to begin with and he hasn't brought it back up since returning to the thread. As soon as Spaghetticus sticks his neck out and someone questioned about him before, Mocsta sees his chance of casting suspicion on someone and trying to gain some town cred. 30 minutes after his giant case Mocsta already calls it bogus, clearly not having read it properly as he says: On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:
Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE?
I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play. When Spaghetti clearly indicates he doesn't want to lynch VE, he just wants him to not become mayor, which would be evident if he actually read the case properly. Mocsta saw an opportunity to make someone look bad and took it. He wasn't interested in actually finding out his alignment. I wish to see him hang. This is an absolute joke. Why are you intentionally trying to manipulate this situation into your favour. Explain now how I "trying to gain some town cred" by querying spaggheticus.FYI, I did not read the entire diatribe on VE. Kudos to you if you did, however, to me: the intent is the same as far as im concerned. Its shitting up the thread on someone that is a valid candidate in my opinion. I vehemently disagree on your last statement. Tell me why any scum attacks any town player? Is that really a question? Yeah, it's definitely shitting up the thread when he posted his case in a spoiler tag to prevent exactly that. You just threw out an accusation because you saw an easy opportunity to do so that you thought had little chance of backfiring. That's been your entire game so far. You've attacked StorrZerg, Grackaroni, and Hopeless1der, all easy targets, and now you saw another one to add to the list. You're scum bro. Firstly, it doesnt matter if he spoilered it or not. He was asking for follow-ups on something I find to be irrelevant, useless, and yes - shitting the thread. I think my point is extremely valid, and you are starting to give me the shits about this. Why are you avoiding having a genuine discussion with me? instead you have to discredit me by saying my reads are 'easy targets" I stand by Storrzerg and Grack as scum. Hopeless was more an observation. Since when is "easy target" not equivocal to being mafia? You are skewing everything to fit your story and I'm finding this to be damn scummy. Whose scum Artanis. What, me Sharrant, and who else? Cos from a glance of your filter I see a bunch more town reads than scum reads.
I'm attacking you on what's important. You showed a clear scum mindset when you jumped on the opportunity to attack a player that wasn't established as town by anyone. I figure any townie can see how Spaghetti is clearly town from how paranoid he was in the past. I therefore find you likely to be scum. You've only attacked players that were easy to target and had, if my memory serves me right, already been attacked by others, but that's not as relevant. The main point is you attacked Spaghetti because you saw an opportunity to incriminate him, not because you actually believed him to be scum. This is made clear by not even having read the case that you found disruptive. This means you didn't even consider it. I'm not skewing anything, I'm calling it as I read it.
I have other suspects which have been made clear in my filter. You're by far on number one right now though, and I appreciate the panic chainsaw defense.
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On November 17 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
lol artanis why so scum?
lol oats why so bad?
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On November 17 2013 01:11 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 00:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 17 2013 00:52 Mocsta wrote:On November 17 2013 00:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 17 2013 00:39 Mocsta wrote:On November 17 2013 00:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also, Mocsta is scum. His case on StorrZerg was awfully artificial to begin with and he hasn't brought it back up since returning to the thread. As soon as Spaghetticus sticks his neck out and someone questioned about him before, Mocsta sees his chance of casting suspicion on someone and trying to gain some town cred. 30 minutes after his giant case Mocsta already calls it bogus, clearly not having read it properly as he says: On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:
Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE?
I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play. When Spaghetti clearly indicates he doesn't want to lynch VE, he just wants him to not become mayor, which would be evident if he actually read the case properly. Mocsta saw an opportunity to make someone look bad and took it. He wasn't interested in actually finding out his alignment. I wish to see him hang. This is an absolute joke. Why are you intentionally trying to manipulate this situation into your favour. Explain now how I "trying to gain some town cred" by querying spaggheticus.FYI, I did not read the entire diatribe on VE. Kudos to you if you did, however, to me: the intent is the same as far as im concerned. Its shitting up the thread on someone that is a valid candidate in my opinion. I vehemently disagree on your last statement. Tell me why any scum attacks any town player? Is that really a question? Yeah, it's definitely shitting up the thread when he posted his case in a spoiler tag to prevent exactly that. You just threw out an accusation because you saw an easy opportunity to do so that you thought had little chance of backfiring. That's been your entire game so far. You've attacked StorrZerg, Grackaroni, and Hopeless1der, all easy targets, and now you saw another one to add to the list. You're scum bro. Firstly, it doesnt matter if he spoilered it or not. He was asking for follow-ups on something I find to be irrelevant, useless, and yes - shitting the thread. I think my point is extremely valid, and you are starting to give me the shits about this. Why are you avoiding having a genuine discussion with me? instead you have to discredit me by saying my reads are 'easy targets" I stand by Storrzerg and Grack as scum. Hopeless was more an observation. Since when is "easy target" not equivocal to being mafia? You are skewing everything to fit your story and I'm finding this to be damn scummy. Whose scum Artanis. What, me Sharrant, and who else? Cos from a glance of your filter I see a bunch more town reads than scum reads. I'm attacking you on what's important. You showed a clear scum mindset when you jumped on the opportunity to attack a player that wasn't established as town by anyone. I figure any townie can see how Spaghetti is clearly town from how paranoid he was in the past. I therefore find you likely to be scum. You've only attacked players that were easy to target and had, if my memory serves me right, already been attacked by others, but that's not as relevant. The main point is you attacked Spaghetti because you saw an opportunity to incriminate him, not because you actually believed him to be scum. This is made clear by not even having read the case that you found disruptive. This means you didn't even consider it. I'm not skewing anything, I'm calling it as I read it. I have other suspects which have been made clear in my filter. You're by far on number one right now though, and I appreciate the panic chainsaw defense. Now you are making yourself look stupid. Chainsaw defense on who?
What I meant was OMGUS. My apologies for the wrong term.
(1) I was the first to attack Storr, and I believe the first to attack Grack -- I should be as he immediately retaliated against me. Your points are making no sense Artanis. Are you tunneled or jsut bullshitting off the cuff?
Ah yes, I remember your initial case against Storr. It was an amazing one with great points such as hunt for scum, and how he wishes to use rng, which has proven to be a great scumtell in the past. BC already attacked Grackaroni before you did. You were having a back and forth with him but didn't accuse him until others already did.
(2) Say what you will about not reading the VE spoiler, but heres the header: Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 23:20 Spaghetticus wrote:
My preliminary case on VE
I think this post important, as I both want it to be used in shutting down VE's attempt at mayordom, but also potentially later to launch an investigation on him. I've spoilered it as it is large, but do not disregard it please.
I've done this entirely through a prolonged filter dive, so there is some information missing. Shall I reemphasize case + shutting down VEs attempt at mayordom??
Yes. Shutting down VE's attempt at mayordom is something different from wanting him lynched isn't it?
Of coutrse I opened the spoiler, and in the same motion deemed it too much information.
But let me guess, I am scum for that.
Fact is, I disagreed with Spag conclusion and stand by it.
What I also disagree with is your approach to faking pressure on me. I say faking because all your pressure is through misconstruing fact.
I can only assume you think Storrzerg is town too?
Well, if you're going to call someone scum for something then not read what that is then that's pretty damning. And I'm construing it in a way that makes sense to me. I can't see a townie consider Spaghetticus scum for what he said, especially with the tenacity and speed that you jumped on it showed little reflection.
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On November 17 2013 01:27 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 01:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 17 2013 01:11 Mocsta wrote:On November 17 2013 00:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 17 2013 00:52 Mocsta wrote:On November 17 2013 00:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 17 2013 00:39 Mocsta wrote:On November 17 2013 00:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also, Mocsta is scum. His case on StorrZerg was awfully artificial to begin with and he hasn't brought it back up since returning to the thread. As soon as Spaghetticus sticks his neck out and someone questioned about him before, Mocsta sees his chance of casting suspicion on someone and trying to gain some town cred. 30 minutes after his giant case Mocsta already calls it bogus, clearly not having read it properly as he says: On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:
Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE?
I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play. When Spaghetti clearly indicates he doesn't want to lynch VE, he just wants him to not become mayor, which would be evident if he actually read the case properly. Mocsta saw an opportunity to make someone look bad and took it. He wasn't interested in actually finding out his alignment. I wish to see him hang. This is an absolute joke. Why are you intentionally trying to manipulate this situation into your favour. Explain now how I "trying to gain some town cred" by querying spaggheticus.FYI, I did not read the entire diatribe on VE. Kudos to you if you did, however, to me: the intent is the same as far as im concerned. Its shitting up the thread on someone that is a valid candidate in my opinion. I vehemently disagree on your last statement. Tell me why any scum attacks any town player? Is that really a question? Yeah, it's definitely shitting up the thread when he posted his case in a spoiler tag to prevent exactly that. You just threw out an accusation because you saw an easy opportunity to do so that you thought had little chance of backfiring. That's been your entire game so far. You've attacked StorrZerg, Grackaroni, and Hopeless1der, all easy targets, and now you saw another one to add to the list. You're scum bro. Firstly, it doesnt matter if he spoilered it or not. He was asking for follow-ups on something I find to be irrelevant, useless, and yes - shitting the thread. I think my point is extremely valid, and you are starting to give me the shits about this. Why are you avoiding having a genuine discussion with me? instead you have to discredit me by saying my reads are 'easy targets" I stand by Storrzerg and Grack as scum. Hopeless was more an observation. Since when is "easy target" not equivocal to being mafia? You are skewing everything to fit your story and I'm finding this to be damn scummy. Whose scum Artanis. What, me Sharrant, and who else? Cos from a glance of your filter I see a bunch more town reads than scum reads. I'm attacking you on what's important. You showed a clear scum mindset when you jumped on the opportunity to attack a player that wasn't established as town by anyone. I figure any townie can see how Spaghetti is clearly town from how paranoid he was in the past. I therefore find you likely to be scum. You've only attacked players that were easy to target and had, if my memory serves me right, already been attacked by others, but that's not as relevant. The main point is you attacked Spaghetti because you saw an opportunity to incriminate him, not because you actually believed him to be scum. This is made clear by not even having read the case that you found disruptive. This means you didn't even consider it. I'm not skewing anything, I'm calling it as I read it. I have other suspects which have been made clear in my filter. You're by far on number one right now though, and I appreciate the panic chainsaw defense. Now you are making yourself look stupid. Chainsaw defense on who? What I meant was OMGUS. My apologies for the wrong term. (1) I was the first to attack Storr, and I believe the first to attack Grack -- I should be as he immediately retaliated against me. Your points are making no sense Artanis. Are you tunneled or jsut bullshitting off the cuff? Ah yes, I remember your initial case against Storr. It was an amazing one with great points such as hunt for scum, and how he wishes to use rng, which has proven to be a great scumtell in the past. BC already attacked Grackaroni before you did. You were having a back and forth with him but didn't accuse him until others already did. (2) Say what you will about not reading the VE spoiler, but heres the header: On November 16 2013 23:20 Spaghetticus wrote:
My preliminary case on VE
I think this post important, as I both want it to be used in shutting down VE's attempt at mayordom, but also potentially later to launch an investigation on him. I've spoilered it as it is large, but do not disregard it please.
I've done this entirely through a prolonged filter dive, so there is some information missing. Shall I reemphasize case + shutting down VEs attempt at mayordom?? Yes. Shutting down VE's attempt at mayordom is something different from wanting him lynched isn't it? Of coutrse I opened the spoiler, and in the same motion deemed it too much information.
But let me guess, I am scum for that.
Fact is, I disagreed with Spag conclusion and stand by it.
What I also disagree with is your approach to faking pressure on me. I say faking because all your pressure is through misconstruing fact.
I can only assume you think Storrzerg is town too? Well, if you're going to call someone scum for something then not read what that is then that's pretty damning. And I'm construing it in a way that makes sense to me. I can't see a townie consider Spaghetticus scum for what he said, especially with the tenacity and speed that you jumped on it showed little reflection. This is absolutely pointless now and shitting the thread. I made a new case on Storrzerg dipshit. + your points on Grack are weak. What, am I meant to accuse all 6 people I think could be scum.. that they are scum at the same time? Lastly, when someone says they are making a preliminary "case".. the natural interpretation is push for a lynch. Stop being useless and wasting my time Artanis. Good night.
Yes, this exchange is pointless as you haven't construed a reasonable town motivation for your actions and I don't believe you can as there is none.
Yes you did. I'm saying your initial case was little more than nitpicking and made me suspect you more so than it ever did of Storr. And no you're not. The first points were simply to indicate you haven't done anything townwise. The incriminating part, as I have often repeated, is how you jumped to the conclusion that Spaghetticus is scum without properly reading the very thing you're accusing him of. This is a fact. If you're this careless about people you 'analyze' on then I can't give much meaning to anything you say. Stop breathing Mocsta, I'd like scum blood to flow.
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VE, Yamato, can I get any of you on board for a Mocsta lynch?
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On November 17 2013 01:43 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 01:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
VE, Yamato, can I get any of you on board for a Mocsta lynch? Prooobably not. What makes him a better lynch than, say, Skanjab?
I've repeated it many times. He's shown a scum mindset in that he wants to make people suspicious/lynch people rather than actually find scum. That's what he tried doing to Spaghetticus, except this time he was too careless and didn't read so he fell through the basket.
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On November 17 2013 01:44 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 01:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
VE, Yamato, can I get any of you on board for a Mocsta lynch? Comment on any other of my reads and tell me why Mocsta is more likely mafia than any of them. Right now, I don't think he is.
Am I correct in thinking those are Onegu, Grackaroni, Holyflare and BH?
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On November 17 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 01:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 17 2013 01:44 yamato77 wrote:On November 17 2013 01:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
VE, Yamato, can I get any of you on board for a Mocsta lynch? Comment on any other of my reads and tell me why Mocsta is more likely mafia than any of them. Right now, I don't think he is. Am I correct in thinking those are Onegu, Grackaroni, Holyflare and BH? BH, Austin, Grack, Onegu Haven't looked at holy yet honestly.
What exactly do you find scummy for Austin?
For the other three, none of the things they've done can only be explained from a scum mindset which I feel is different from how Mocsta has played thus far. I can't see the motivation for his actions from a town mindset. Can you?
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On November 17 2013 01:14 yamato77 wrote:The biggest gripe I have have with Austin is how he approached this: Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 12:50 austinmcc wrote:On November 15 2013 12:43 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 12:40 austinmcc wrote:On November 15 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 09:16 hiro protagonist wrote:
Thats cool VE. but this was my plan before I got a role. I think its a good one ^__^ Obviously a claim. Ah. I don't read it that way, but I see where you at. I will say that, assuming a non-infinite amount of rock-lifting power, Hiro is not a rock I'm interested in looking under today. Are you going to run for mayor? If not, who would you elect? I think so, but am not entirely sure atm. I generally think of myself as someone able to show that he's townie early, to assuage any doubts, and I'm usually decent at the game. I feel like I'd make a good mayor. Right now, my focus is on getting a handle on a couple people in the game, solidifying D1 reads on them, and then moving towards a good lynch target. If I were to elect someone RIGHT NOW, it would actually be hiropro I think. I'm not going to vote for a person on the basis of their scumread right now, it's way too early in the game for that. So I'd have to vote one of my strongest townreads, and just trust that I can identify a townie to whom I can give a vest and bonus vote, currently looking at Hiro or Holy I think? Not only is hiro someone who has subsequently fallen off the map, but Austin went to AMAZING lengths to justify this super town read of hiro so early on. He's never really updated who he wants to be mayor at all. In fact, all Austin's done since this point in time is prod 2 players about things, Pandain and Onegu. He's responsive when questioned and appears pro-town, but Austin is capable of those things as mafia. What I want to know is, who does he want for mayor now, and why? If he were mayor, who would he lynch? I don't see much along these lines in his filter. He mentions the mayor talk "doesn't do much" for him, yet when he was town in LIX, he ran for mayor and actively participated in the campaigning D1. This game, Austin's firmly in the group of players right below the super townie active ones which is where he usually is as mafia. Perhaps I'm taking this a bit far, but he seems like mafia to me. I'd rather lynch BH over him, but he's second on the list at the moment.
I like the way austin goes about getting reads. I don't like his lack of followup on it though. He also seems to question a bunch of folks then suddenly bam, a read on Pandain, one of the players he didn't question. I want to see what information the questions he asked led towards. I don't feel like he's been focussing on his town read of Hiro too much though, just a bit at the start but he moved on from that. I'd consider Austin slightly suspicious, but I wouldn't want to see his head chopped off yet.
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On November 17 2013 02:56 austinmcc wrote:Artanis, you around still? If yes, I would like to play some volleyball.
Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 22:55 Mig wrote:
Who asked marvel how many of each role there were? If you mean the specific numbers for each faction, that's me. I didn't see it in the OP and wanted to know what size team we're dealing with. Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 19:31 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't understand your reasoning for not wanting BC to be mayor. if he's scum wouldn't it put him in the spotlight and make him easier to catch? Trolling or is this an actual thought?
I'm in for a game of volleyball. What do you make of BC?
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Onegu has been slipping past my radar all game. Nothing I've really found noteworthy about him other than the occasional troll. Mostly posting fluff, repeating popular opinions such as not liking Grack and considering Alakaslam town. This struck me as interesting:
On November 16 2013 02:12 Onegu wrote:
Also rayn I dont like how HF doesnt give many hard raeds on his own, but asks people for thier thoughts on them.
For it is something similar that Onegu does. He doesn't actually ask people's thoughts, but he's echoing them, taking the momentum others have on certain players and rolling with it making it look like he's contributing when nothing is being added. Some background information on some players here and there if he played with them, and continuing Rayn's pressure on HF. What also catches my eye is how he ends his 'case' on HF.
On November 16 2013 21:05 Onegu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 15 2013 12:54 Holyflare wrote:Hopeless. You played with him in hogwarts. What is your take on him this game? Here is the first time he mentions or talks to mattchew. On November 15 2013 14:13 Holyflare wrote:Can someone give me their take on mattchew please? I'm having a hard time untangling his posts. Like.... it's all crap, he even asked on who he should look into and didn't end up doing that but also posts something like: Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 12:47 Mattchew wrote:
Yam and mocsta are town but i dont agree with Mocsta's case on Storr. I saw his conclusion, read storrs filter for myself, then read his case, and reconsidered but was not swayed into putting storr anywhere but neutral. Storr is going to play different, because he comes from a different type of mafia. Mocsta sometimes equivocates different to scum . Mattchew, what is your take on hopeless and rayn? I know you've now played with both because of hogwarts so what is your view on them at this present time? ________________________________________________________ For everyone else, much like grack, mattchew came out of the woodwork to post a point relating to mocsta/storr and apart from that has really added nothing. His other "content" is just calling people town etc. He makes the effort to "read" the filter of one player but has no evidence of that for any other player, despite many being mentioned in the game. Would you be comfortable lynching this way, because I would. Followed 2 posts later by this. He cannot get a good read on him and all his posts are crap. And then gives a dumb reason for wanting to lynch him, when mattchew wasnt the only person doing this. Then he links 2 town games and a scum game adds very little meta reads while asking what does a scum matt look like. And then again. On November 15 2013 14:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 14:35 Alakaslam wrote:he has taken up the position as the leader of RNG lynches ever since the downfall of Palmar. Now quit changing the subject you silly Alaskan lamb; where can we find this scum remover and can you be more flexible on price? You can get it from deep CHUPAZI, I am not sure what they would charge I troll no further albeit tempting Not actually sure if I can deliver on that promise Your take on mattchew please? Also I want to hear more opinions on rayn, don't want to let him pass unchecked. Asking for more thoughts. On November 15 2013 14:47 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 14:42 Grackaroni wrote:On November 15 2013 14:37 Holyflare wrote:On November 15 2013 14:35 Alakaslam wrote:he has taken up the position as the leader of RNG lynches ever since the downfall of Palmar. Now quit changing the subject you silly Alaskan lamb; where can we find this scum remover and can you be more flexible on price? You can get it from deep CHUPAZI, I am not sure what they would charge I troll no further albeit tempting Not actually sure if I can deliver on that promise Your take on mattchew please? Also I want to hear more opinions on rayn, don't want to let him pass unchecked. The games you quoted are both over a year old; Play styles can change a lot over time. His recent play in Hogwarts also did not match either of the town games you listed as meta, yet he was town in that game. I disagree with you: here is his filter for hogwarts: click me!while yes, there are singular lines, there is also hefty content at parts just like the town games I linked, albeit this game is still early so it's justifiable for the near future, I want to hear more from him because right now I think it falls more in line with his scum game (even if it is old) Either way he is not around to defend himself and so I'll move elsewhere for now. He gets a response and this is his reply. I have a few problems with this post also. First he doesnt add any substance, he adds more meta and then he even says the meta he adds is old. There are zero recent scum games for HF to compare, so there is no way HF should be going after Mattchew with OLD meta reasons. So HF barely mentions mattchew, then he asks for others opinions. Gives a small reason of matt is posting one liners and giveing out town reads so he should be lynched. Then asking more people for mattchew thoughts, posting outdated meta arguements. Holyflare never actually makes a case on mattchew other than what I have said, but is ok with mattchew being lynched. Then HF never mentions Mattchew again.
He's already giving the guy he wrote a case on a way out if he wants to. Other than that he's been trolling around a bit. I could get behind an Onegu lynch at this point.
HolyFlare, I'm more mixed on. I shared his suspicion on Rayn as well as his change in that read and could follow his thought process well, but there have been some good points raised about him, though I can't find them right now. I have a strong feeling he's town based on being able to follow his thought process and I have little interest in seeing him anywhere near the lynching block right now.
What do you make of Koshi?
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