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austinmcc
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Hopeless's filter is smaller than coag's. Barely larger than LM's, but without the mason stuff. Internet troubles D1 account for some of that, but coag had tornado issues. Check past hopeless games to see if he's THIS uninvolved. I don't remember that being the case, but not even 80% certain that I remember hopeless's general post amounts. | ||
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austinmcc
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Beyond that, please read the LM stuff. Does LM look town or mafia to you? Do you agree that he's making a good number of reads/associations towards you? | ||
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austinmcc
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Coag kinda explodes, for coag, at grack saying they were masoned. What does scumCoag do? Probably say grack lying, vote grack, etc. etc. But it's weird, right? A guy you KNOW is town (if grack town), lying for...what reason? I think you get a little wonky. I THINK, personally, gut read, coag's reaction to grack's mason lie is townie. He blows up, drops a bunch of f bombs, gets very very very very posty for coag. That, to me, when he adds that he wants to lynch grack, makes me feel mildly townie on coag. BC townread Drops grack scumread, moves onward. Has a BC townread still. If he's mafia, can he stay on grack? Mafia has hammered grack, but coag has good extra reason --> the mason lie. Doesn't have to jump off grack. Does his BC townread feel legit? On November 22 2013 05:22 Coagulation wrote: Unsure. This is a mushy read, not even really a read, just that I guess he's getting town feels (never actually says "this game I am getting town feels", and goes with BC feeling "genuine" over townie). Not sure how to read this. Scummy view is it's mega avoidy of a BC read. Town view is scum coag would KNOW BC was gonna flip mafia. Wouldn't he want a concrete read? Either be scummy on BC or give a real solid reason BC is town and say BC is town town town town and then "oops, was wrong." Gut read this isn't a mafia post? It's the wrong kind of wishy washy, because we're talking about someone who is Going To Die That Day. Not an out-of-the-blue scumbuddy that you fumble your read on.I have seen scum BC many times and I very rarely get town feels from him when hes town but the way he was talking this game about playing shitty and being frustrated with the current state of game was extremely genuine based on my experience with him? Holyflare null to coag, but HF had a bad response to grack. Mildly townie on that post. Shows he doesn't just fire back at grack for lying, but he sees grack lied, and draws connections based off of that. If grack town, does mafiacoag really do this? Gut read no. Again blows up at a perceived pandain/ss lie. Blah blah votes risen then thrawn, just cuz i convince him. TELLS SLAM TO VOTE THRAWN. Asks why someone would be on his nuts if risen flips red. Scumcoag knows risen is town. There's little there, but I'm still townie on Coag. The things that he does, a couple little posts he make, are things that I don't see scumcoag doing. Coag is a lazy bum on TL it seems like. The only time I've seen scumCoag he posted way less than this, way way way less, and one day pretended to forget, or actually forgot, what cycle it was. In that game, he was a replacement, so it's not a 1:1 comparison, but scum coag does NOTHING. This coag is doing SOME THINGS. That's =/= nothing. And he's posting sometimes things that scum don't NEED to post. A super duper crafty scum might. We might THINK a super duper crafty scum would. But lazyass scum coag? I don't think so. I don't think scum coag bothers asking why people want to lynch him if risen flips red. Scum coag doesn't care. Scum coag doesn't need to swap to thrawn, cuz he doesn't care. Scumcoag doesn't need to make a vague post about BC's townieness, he can make a short BC town or BC scum. I think coag is town? I hate saying that. But I think it. | ||
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austinmcc
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On December 06 2013 08:17 Alakaslam wrote: Nobody is going to have to piss you off.Well I will look at his filter. Someone gonna have to piss me off in connexion with it -_- Risen was town and martyred. That did not go well for town. Moreover, we're 5-3 right now? One mislynch and we lose right now. If you're town, you have to drop the "I'm scummier than scum so lynch me" act, because THERE ARE NO MORE MISLYNCHES ATM. The time to play that game is over. If you're town, drop the act please please please. If you don't make a single woe is me/martyry post during the next day cycle, I will draw you a good picture. Also, you should do it anyway because, again, no more mislynches. | ||
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austinmcc
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I have a bachelor party that I will be out of town for basically most of tomorrow, all sat, early sunday. This is Not Good and I Do Not Like That Absence. However, I would really like to see people post some specific things (1) What do you think about LoneMeow. He's the guy in this game named LoneMeow. Please read his filter, his mason logs, and my ramble on him. What do you think about him, for serious? (2) When you read LoneMeow's filter, please note how he references Slam. Both direct reads and indirect associations. Do you agree that he has a particular focus on slam? Put yourself in LoneMeow's shoes. You made all those reads and associations. How SHOULD alakaslam look to you at this point in the game? (3) Did you know hopeless1der's filter was so short? What is your TOWNIEST post hopeless has made? His scummiest? You can find them, becuase his filter is short. (4) From everyone. Is pandain town or mafia? He's been a point of contention for a bunch of people so far this game. Some town, some scum. Some still alive! Do you think he's town or mafia? (5) I don't think there's anything else for now! Please please please please. You have to do these things if you are town, because we need to be Doing Stuff and Making Associations and Reads. I got away from this for a couple days and I have limited time, but these are Things to Discuss. If you are town, you have to do them so that the people who don't do them Stand Out as Odd. If you are mafia, you have to do them so we can catch and lynch you, and also because town will answer these question and you will look strange if you don't. | ||
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austinmcc
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Noir Mini ----- town ----- survives til endgame, N3 ----- 3.5 page filter TL LXI ----- town ----- lynched D7 ----- 8.66 page filter Hogwards ------ town ----- shot N5 ----- 9+ page filter White Flag ----- town ----- survives, wtf this game ended at the end of D2 ----- 1.8 page filter Witchcraft II ----- town ---- replaced start D2, survives to endgame end of D4 ----- almost 4 page filter The Game ----- dunno ---- replaced out during N1 ----- less than a page Some more enterprising soul than I could go read said filters, look for Assorted Meta Stuff, and I will next week when I'm back and a bunch of other scum have been lynched. But he's not crazy posty in those games, lynched on D7 in LXI with < 9 pages filter, most other games is putting out like.... ~2 pages a cycle, ish. Nothing super duper conclusive from filter length alone. | ||
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austinmcc
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ALSO, MAFIA PLEASE SHOOT ONE OF YOUR TEAM MEMBERS. IT WILL MAKE US UNCERTAIN OF ALL OUR READS. | ||
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I appear to have been shot. | ||
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austinmcc
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It's 5v3 If they kill a townie, it's 4v3, mislynch is 3v3, NK is 2v3, scum wins If they don't kill a townie, it's 5v3, mislynch is 4v3, NK is 3v3, scum still wins Someone on the scum team is a smartypants. So long as they're shooting to win it now, not killing someone tonight doesn't matter. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + 1 marvellosity 12-02-2013 08:02 PM ET (US) Pandain + austin mason Day 7/Night 7 2 Pandain 12-02-2013 08:03 PM ET (US) mmm 3 austinmcc 12-04-2013 02:06 PM ET (US) I will try to be active here during the night phase, sorry. Has not been a great week to try and be active in mafia. 4 Pandain 12-04-2013 06:42 PM ET (US) I honestly think holy is mafia. He should have gotten shot. His reasons are bad. He buses as mafia. Not pushing Coag now also 5 Pandain 12-04-2013 06:43 PM ET (US) Like saying: " id be fine if he explained but he won't" is suspicious 6 Pandain 12-04-2013 06:48 PM ET (US) I can't believe maf gave up thread presence 7 austinmcc 12-04-2013 06:51 PM ET (US) I dunno about Holy. He's really picked up presence, yeah, but a lot of what he's posted recently has seemed decent to me. The thrawn stuff was a little wonky, cuz he pushed him early, then jumped off, then back on, but i THINK that was legitimate? If it's an aborted bus, he probably should have pushed harder and not left? 8 Pandain 12-04-2013 06:56 PM ET (US) He was maf in b2b with slam. Hf not even mention it or fact slam is way dufferent 9 austinmcc 12-04-2013 06:58 PM ET (US) I know you liked LoneMeow's mason log with you, but overall....feelings on LM? 10 Pandain 12-04-2013 06:59 PM ET (US) He jumped on thrawn after obvious lynch 11 Pandain 12-04-2013 07:03 PM ET (US) I got town feeling. His switch was so bad and like scummy 12 Pandain 12-04-2013 07:07 PM ET (US) Like can you see mafia openly making that statement 13 Pandain 12-04-2013 07:09 PM ET (US) I guess I can its sort of wifom 14 austinmcc 12-04-2013 07:11 PM ET (US) His vote made it 6 to 6, when Holyflare had previously been on thrawn but was now on Risen. If HF swapped back, then ... LM could vote Risen to make it 6-6 the other way, but I don't think had really said anything about EITHER person. From what I remember, he was on you and oats and not much else. Ugh. I'm REALLY not liking what I find from him, but yeah, the vote is on thrawn and I'm torn about voting anyone on thrawn. WTB MORE TIME 15 Pandain 12-04-2013 07:13 PM ET (US) Onegu is town to me somewhat. Also he's like using his handicapped son as excuses and I really can't see him pulling that card as scum even d it's true 16 Pandain 12-04-2013 07:19 PM ET (US) remember if thrawn got lynched and they didn't switch, then it's like ez lynch like we were doing on risen people. By switching, they saved themselves to what happened. To what is still happening. 17 Pandain 12-04-2013 08:10 PM ET (US) Coag holy LM gogo 18 austinmcc 12-04-2013 10:33 PM ET (US) LM > coag > holy for me right now. Grrrr, I should ahve pushed harder and should have gone back through my mason logs. He answered so much stuff but just NEVER spoke about thrawn, ever. Avoided it despite me being relatively thrawn-focused at times. Coag was townie to me, and hasn't...shaken that yet. I dunno, I've seen him useless as both alignments, and the last couple days are what scum coag does. The first couple days feel more like town coag --- he got excited about lies, followed his name, etc. etc. Now he's just doing nothing and attempting to do nothing, which is what I envision from scum coag. Holyflare doesn't really NEED to be posting a bunch if he's mafia, and he fought me on cc pretty hard I think? I will reread him. Artanis found him very townie in mason chat, he hasn't really done anything to tip my scumdar, but at this point that's not really enough. I'll do a deeper read into him, but he's not a top lynch for me. 19 austinmcc 12-04-2013 11:18 PM ET (US) Like, I've seen scum coag only in one game (haven't played much with him) and the ENTIRETY of his play was to vote and one time say that he didn't know what day it was. His filter is weak and his effort is weak, but he's STILL been way more involved than he was in that game. It's not 100%, it's a single-game meta read and he replaced in there, but...scum coag didn't ever seem to even pretend to read the thread. 20 Pandain 12-05-2013 12:27 AM ET (US) I wanted to wait for Holy, see if he got shot. Because it's so weird that supposedly the only one who was making sense didnt' get shot. Like if Holy is town and mafia were lurkers, that's an extremely poor choice when it should be obvious. Do you remember the first game we played together? I was scum and put in HUGE amounts of effort defending Firmtofu. I'm getting that feel from Holy. When others are getting lynched for sure, he pops up and argues against who i think are scum. Then day comes, he's arguing for fucking slam. I agree with LM first, his last posts are suspicious as fuck . 21 Pandain 12-05-2013 12:38 AM ET (US) I wanted to do this: 1. We both say tonight that holy is basically confirmed town. Point out some stuff, say there's no way he's scum. If he still doesn't get shot... :o 22 austinmcc 12-05-2013 12:44 AM ET (US) Yeah, we'll see about tonight's shot. I was actually super thankful that koshi and mig got killed, I even started to get paranoid about mig voting risen, mig shooting 2 townies, etc. etc. I could never convince myself he was mafia, or likely mafia, but paranoia starts to set in. I'm probably happy to call him very townie. I actually was doing that with VA. VA did some stuff that looked really scummy to me, but was almost certainly town based on the way he was defending himself and pooping from space, as slam might say. But I wanted to push him as mafia, see if I could get some people to jump on him as a mislynch. I know thrawn started saying he was mafia...as did slam. It's one of the points against slam, except that slam also seems to dislike anyone who just craps on people in thread. 23 austinmcc 12-05-2013 06:41 PM ET (US) Okay. I just did too much filtering for one sitting. Currently, just off of looking, I could see a LM/slam/hopeless1der remainder. Grack fantastically likely town. Only likely to have one more mafia mason (4/6 mafia being mafia masons, and majority (i think) masons being mafia feels wrong). If LM mafia, that kind of pulls you and HF out of things. Also, I want to know your thoughts specifically about the LM/slam thing I'm seeing. Dost thou see-est it too? 24 austinmcc 12-05-2013 07:47 PM ET (US) A similarity running through my mason chats this game, I guess, sorry I wasn't active for a bunch of it. I think we're still in okay shape. Let's see who the NK is, we re-evaluate, and lynch us some mafias. | ||
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LM and thrawn were BOTH on Pandain D3, and he was lynchable. Not being lynched, but within range of a random vote swap or so. BC's swap doesn't do much for me, because MAYBE he was trying to kill Pandain, or MAYBE he saw that I'd voted, unknown, it was just a couple minutes. But if LM is scum, 2 mafia were on pandain and a 3rd jumped on him. I find it unlikely they'd risk losing 2 mafia that day and prematurely cutting their KP by 1 if town happened to swap. No way do I take that risk, no way AT ALL. We know both other leading candidates were town. Mafia does not let pandain be in danger like that. | ||
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On December 06 2013 10:16 Holyflare wrote: I voted 3 min to go. BC voted 1 min to go.BC's swap was on the deadline though so pandain was never going to die If BC had that typed and ready to go, did not refresh or something, he would have thought that his vote would kill Pandain. Also, it would maybe kind of sort of implicate Risen, who was town anyway. If scum team saw vote and within like 2 minutes managed to work out the SNEAKY SNAKE VOTE PANDAIN BUT DON'T KILL plan, they're super fast. They also were 1000000% reliant on NOBODY ELSE being a sneaky snake and voting pandain. And they wasted votes on pandain instead of wherever else they wanted to. I just don't see that being the case AT ALL. You don't put your scumbuddy to a point where he dies if ANYONE swaps a vote to him/off other people. You just don't. You don't sit around planning "We're gonna swap a vote last minute and make so and so look bad" while simultaneously forgetting that town could swap a vote and lynch your scumbuddy AND that would be 3 dead AND that would mean you only have 1 KP for the REST OF THE GAME, with 2-3 vets. That's the biggest thing, imo. Scum ABSOLUTELY don't risk another person, because they NEED that KP given supersoft's vest and my vet, pandain would be scum in that hypothetical so he's out. But....you don't do that. | ||
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I voted thrawn while telling people to consolidate on D3. Someone told me that my vote wasn't helping, and I was being hypocritical. They were right, but also thrawn was scum and I wish I'd pushed him sooner. But I forget who that person was. Need to remember to find that post. | ||
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On December 06 2013 10:23 Holyflare wrote: Scum doesn't always have to take crazy risks. I also don't like speculating on what COULD happen when it didn't because that's wifom and the events didn't transpire like that. Scum always has to take crazy risks so anything is always possible, if it turned out the other way, we'd know but yes, while it is LIKELY that he is not scum I do not use it as a definitive reason that he COULDN'T be scum. Anyway, if it is LIKELY he is not scum if LM is, and it is somewhat likely that LM is mafia, then it is UNLIKELY (for now, and that can change maybe) that Pandain is mafia. Not only the vote thing, but you/LM/Pandain are masons. If TWO of that group are mafia, mafia had 4 masons, and town had...the other, and someone else? Someones else? I don't remember off the top of my head. That might fit with how many other roles town had, but it's curious to give scum the majority of masons, and to make 2/3 their team masons. Not at all conclusive, just musing. | ||
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On December 06 2013 10:29 Holyflare wrote: Both are town, who cares?What would be a scum LM's motive to make a case on oats and then follow you to CC? It's happened before with scum swapping between townie and townie at deadline, but that's not relevant here at all. Imo, there's 0 difference between scum voting oats yesterday and scum voting CC. Yes, it makes him stand out when he probably doesn't want to, and that's a point in his favor. But it doesn't overcome the other stuff. | ||
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Super secret possible scum motive is that oats is, at the time, going to be modkilled. Scum would LIKE to kill 2 peeps and not just one. So scum would prefer a cheesecake lynch to oats lynch IF oats doesn't actually return. That's an outside consideration, because you never actually know if someone will return or not. But oats had already been warned, it was possible he was going to get modkilled. | ||
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Other minor crap involves stuff like currying favor, but I don't think that's realistic. | ||
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