EPTOn December 06 2013 07:57 Coagulation wrote:
##vote Holyflare
##vote Holyflare
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Alakaslam
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austinmcc
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Beyond that, please read the LM stuff. Does LM look town or mafia to you? Do you agree that he's making a good number of reads/associations towards you? | ||
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Alakaslam
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On December 06 2013 08:07 austinmcc wrote: Hopeless TL;DR Very very absent, even once he's got net Little back and forth with thrawn early Pushes pandain consistently from like D2 Hopeless had BC town D2, pandain scum D2, pandain pushed BC. Hopeless votes BC/Pandain on D3 early, why? He had a townread, and the dude is being pushed by a scumread. Why vote BC? Liked SS's oats case, hated oats, then hated SS's case and liked oats, and voted Pandain/SS. Went back to BC after SS got no traction Early vote on thrawn. Liked posts on him, but no real posts of his own Not a factor last few days except to keep pushing Pandain Very little first two days. Gets into a little spat with thrawn. He wants thrawn flipped due to "rage and indignation", but not a scumread. Likes SS's oats bit. SS's oats bit was super speculative and weak. Hopeless comes away from reading mocsta's filter and BC's stuff by finding BC town. Hopeless has what I think is a decent case post on Pandain. He makes a lot of legitimate points, they aren't just scummy crap thrown together. He has a couple points I like, the mig "slip" or not-slip, but the mig alignment shifting if no-slip. The way he interacts with mocsta and the storrzerg read. Those two things I like, some of the rest of it is meh/wrong in light of flips. Hopeless's #1 tip top read is pandain. Hopeless had BC as town. Pandain had a scumread on BC D2. So far, all of this fits, right? Hopeless's town read is being attacked by a scum read, logic is groooovy. But Hopeless's VERY FIRST POST of D3 is to vote pandain/BC. THIS IS NOT RIGHT. He had BC town. His NUMBAH WAN ICHIBAN SCUMREAD, pandain, is attacking BC. Why is he voting BC? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY!? ALSO WHY, WHEN I SAID WE SHOULD LOOK FOR PEOPLE WHO VOTE BC FOR WEAK/NO REASONING OR FLIP READS ON HIM, DID I NOT ACTUALLY GO BACK AND DO THIS AND WHY DID NOBODY ELSE DO THIS EITHER!?!?!?!? After his vote, Complete 180. BC was town. His scumread is attacking BC. But now he's voted BC and he wants BC D-E-D ded. I gave hopeless fattie town points for coming in and saying thread was crappy D3, stop speculating, etc. etc. Still some town points, but "HEY THREAD IS BAD STAHP" is easy-ish to make from either alignment. Previously, Hopeless liked SS's case on Oats. He hated Pandain. He liked BC. Now he hates BC. Still votes Pandain, hates Pandain. He now says SS's cash is trash, and he's sorry for ever thinking Oats was mafia. Lotta floopy floops. Later unvotes BC, who he wanted to be super ded. Is now on Supersoft/Pandain, due to mason log nonsense (SS doctored logs --> no i didn't -->oright he didn't). He unvotes SS later though and goes back to Pandain. THIS WHOLE BIT DOES NOT MAKE TERRIBLY MUCH SENSE IF HE'S THINKING CRITICALLY. PANDAIN AND BC BOTH MASONED SS D1. IF SS IS SCUM, THEY AREN'T ALL SCUM. THAT SILLY BILLY TOWN. He makes the argument I like on D4, why are people sheeping SS's list. Not because he wants to lynch thrawn at this point, but because he wants to lynch Pandain still. This is curious, if scum wanted to kill pandain, it's still going hard after that target. scumHopeless thinks he's got a winner and can push it, despite BC's vote. townHopeless thinks pandain is scum and is right that people shouldn't just sheep SS's lynch list. He's fine sheeping my LM town read (if LM flips town, this is just a flag, not as weird as LM/slam). He thinks LM super lurky, no other reason to call him mafia, and forgetting about him for now. That's alright, not terribly scummy. Agrees thrawn looks scummy, but hasn't talked about thrawn at all since their little spat on N1/D2. Okay lynching thrawn, over Risen, but not over Pandain. Moves his vote to thrawn. He's #3 total, #2 once holy moves off. At this point, thrawn hasn't picked up steam, but Hopeless has said he's rather lynch thrawn over risen. It's a decently townie move, imo, he's on a scummer early. His reasoning is...lacking, but his vote is there. Dips for days. Is okay burning a lynch on VA after VA keeps calling me mafia when thrawn flips red. Votes risen, leaves thread. I don't super understand his risen vote? He didn't seem super scummy on Risen before, didn't think he was TOWN TOWN, but ... why the vote? Votes CC, would rather vote pandain, has oats town. Why oats town? Buncha people scummy on oats, he was scummy then townie on oats but only because SS's case was sloppy/crappy/etc. SS flipped town. So sloppy case or no, it was a real suspicion. Why so townie on oats? Pushes Pandain again yesterday. Very consistent on Pandain, although, to be fair, Pandain doesn't appear to have done anything that would alleviate Hopeless's suspicions. With regard to BC I didn't because I am one of them | ||
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Alakaslam
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On December 06 2013 08:15 austinmcc wrote: Slam. I would like to know what posts of BC's, specifically, you disliked when you voted him on D2. Please please please give me specifics or a thought process or something. Why were you on BC D2. Beyond that, please read the LM stuff. Does LM look town or mafia to you? Do you agree that he's making a good number of reads/associations towards you? Well I will look at his filter. Someone gonna have to piss me off in connexion with it -_- | ||
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austinmcc
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Coag kinda explodes, for coag, at grack saying they were masoned. What does scumCoag do? Probably say grack lying, vote grack, etc. etc. But it's weird, right? A guy you KNOW is town (if grack town), lying for...what reason? I think you get a little wonky. I THINK, personally, gut read, coag's reaction to grack's mason lie is townie. He blows up, drops a bunch of f bombs, gets very very very very posty for coag. That, to me, when he adds that he wants to lynch grack, makes me feel mildly townie on coag. BC townread Drops grack scumread, moves onward. Has a BC townread still. If he's mafia, can he stay on grack? Mafia has hammered grack, but coag has good extra reason --> the mason lie. Doesn't have to jump off grack. Does his BC townread feel legit? On November 22 2013 05:22 Coagulation wrote: Unsure. This is a mushy read, not even really a read, just that I guess he's getting town feels (never actually says "this game I am getting town feels", and goes with BC feeling "genuine" over townie). Not sure how to read this. Scummy view is it's mega avoidy of a BC read. Town view is scum coag would KNOW BC was gonna flip mafia. Wouldn't he want a concrete read? Either be scummy on BC or give a real solid reason BC is town and say BC is town town town town and then "oops, was wrong." Gut read this isn't a mafia post? It's the wrong kind of wishy washy, because we're talking about someone who is Going To Die That Day. Not an out-of-the-blue scumbuddy that you fumble your read on.I have seen scum BC many times and I very rarely get town feels from him when hes town but the way he was talking this game about playing shitty and being frustrated with the current state of game was extremely genuine based on my experience with him? Holyflare null to coag, but HF had a bad response to grack. Mildly townie on that post. Shows he doesn't just fire back at grack for lying, but he sees grack lied, and draws connections based off of that. If grack town, does mafiacoag really do this? Gut read no. Again blows up at a perceived pandain/ss lie. Blah blah votes risen then thrawn, just cuz i convince him. TELLS SLAM TO VOTE THRAWN. Asks why someone would be on his nuts if risen flips red. Scumcoag knows risen is town. There's little there, but I'm still townie on Coag. The things that he does, a couple little posts he make, are things that I don't see scumcoag doing. Coag is a lazy bum on TL it seems like. The only time I've seen scumCoag he posted way less than this, way way way less, and one day pretended to forget, or actually forgot, what cycle it was. In that game, he was a replacement, so it's not a 1:1 comparison, but scum coag does NOTHING. This coag is doing SOME THINGS. That's =/= nothing. And he's posting sometimes things that scum don't NEED to post. A super duper crafty scum might. We might THINK a super duper crafty scum would. But lazyass scum coag? I don't think so. I don't think scum coag bothers asking why people want to lynch him if risen flips red. Scum coag doesn't care. Scum coag doesn't need to swap to thrawn, cuz he doesn't care. Scumcoag doesn't need to make a vague post about BC's townieness, he can make a short BC town or BC scum. I think coag is town? I hate saying that. But I think it. | ||
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austinmcc
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On December 06 2013 08:17 Alakaslam wrote: Nobody is going to have to piss you off.Well I will look at his filter. Someone gonna have to piss me off in connexion with it -_- Risen was town and martyred. That did not go well for town. Moreover, we're 5-3 right now? One mislynch and we lose right now. If you're town, you have to drop the "I'm scummier than scum so lynch me" act, because THERE ARE NO MORE MISLYNCHES ATM. The time to play that game is over. If you're town, drop the act please please please. If you don't make a single woe is me/martyry post during the next day cycle, I will draw you a good picture. Also, you should do it anyway because, again, no more mislynches. | ||
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austinmcc
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I have a bachelor party that I will be out of town for basically most of tomorrow, all sat, early sunday. This is Not Good and I Do Not Like That Absence. However, I would really like to see people post some specific things (1) What do you think about LoneMeow. He's the guy in this game named LoneMeow. Please read his filter, his mason logs, and my ramble on him. What do you think about him, for serious? (2) When you read LoneMeow's filter, please note how he references Slam. Both direct reads and indirect associations. Do you agree that he has a particular focus on slam? Put yourself in LoneMeow's shoes. You made all those reads and associations. How SHOULD alakaslam look to you at this point in the game? (3) Did you know hopeless1der's filter was so short? What is your TOWNIEST post hopeless has made? His scummiest? You can find them, becuase his filter is short. (4) From everyone. Is pandain town or mafia? He's been a point of contention for a bunch of people so far this game. Some town, some scum. Some still alive! Do you think he's town or mafia? (5) I don't think there's anything else for now! Please please please please. You have to do these things if you are town, because we need to be Doing Stuff and Making Associations and Reads. I got away from this for a couple days and I have limited time, but these are Things to Discuss. If you are town, you have to do them so that the people who don't do them Stand Out as Odd. If you are mafia, you have to do them so we can catch and lynch you, and also because town will answer these question and you will look strange if you don't. | ||
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austinmcc
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Noir Mini ----- town ----- survives til endgame, N3 ----- 3.5 page filter TL LXI ----- town ----- lynched D7 ----- 8.66 page filter Hogwards ------ town ----- shot N5 ----- 9+ page filter White Flag ----- town ----- survives, wtf this game ended at the end of D2 ----- 1.8 page filter Witchcraft II ----- town ---- replaced start D2, survives to endgame end of D4 ----- almost 4 page filter The Game ----- dunno ---- replaced out during N1 ----- less than a page Some more enterprising soul than I could go read said filters, look for Assorted Meta Stuff, and I will next week when I'm back and a bunch of other scum have been lynched. But he's not crazy posty in those games, lynched on D7 in LXI with < 9 pages filter, most other games is putting out like.... ~2 pages a cycle, ish. Nothing super duper conclusive from filter length alone. | ||
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austinmcc
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ALSO, MAFIA PLEASE SHOOT ONE OF YOUR TEAM MEMBERS. IT WILL MAKE US UNCERTAIN OF ALL OUR READS. | ||
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Holyflare
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marvellosity
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Day 8 ![[image loading]](http://kawarthatoday.com/705to306/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/hmmm.jpg) Hmm. Mm hmm. Mm. Yes. You have 48 hours to decide your lynch! | ||
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austinmcc
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I appear to have been shot. | ||
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austinmcc
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It's 5v3 If they kill a townie, it's 4v3, mislynch is 3v3, NK is 2v3, scum wins If they don't kill a townie, it's 5v3, mislynch is 4v3, NK is 3v3, scum still wins Someone on the scum team is a smartypants. So long as they're shooting to win it now, not killing someone tonight doesn't matter. | ||
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Holyflare
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I agree on your LM thing by the way, hopeless.. not so sure, look at my case day 2 still pretty much stands, coag I don't agree with either and I've said why before! LM, coag, hopeless! I'm also increasingly weary of pandain despite what you say about him! Guess i'll have to flesh that out though to make it plausible for other people. I like an LM lynch for today, I think you were shot because scum are in "oh shit" mode, if they lose a player they can't just win today and so they have to go for the long game win which means effectively killing you (getting rid of someone who is contributing and driving lynches + a vet) | ||
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 (( WHICH LURKER DO WE PICK MAN | ||
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austinmcc
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+ Show Spoiler + 1 marvellosity 12-02-2013 08:02 PM ET (US) Pandain + austin mason Day 7/Night 7 2 Pandain 12-02-2013 08:03 PM ET (US) mmm 3 austinmcc 12-04-2013 02:06 PM ET (US) I will try to be active here during the night phase, sorry. Has not been a great week to try and be active in mafia. 4 Pandain 12-04-2013 06:42 PM ET (US) I honestly think holy is mafia. He should have gotten shot. His reasons are bad. He buses as mafia. Not pushing Coag now also 5 Pandain 12-04-2013 06:43 PM ET (US) Like saying: " id be fine if he explained but he won't" is suspicious 6 Pandain 12-04-2013 06:48 PM ET (US) I can't believe maf gave up thread presence 7 austinmcc 12-04-2013 06:51 PM ET (US) I dunno about Holy. He's really picked up presence, yeah, but a lot of what he's posted recently has seemed decent to me. The thrawn stuff was a little wonky, cuz he pushed him early, then jumped off, then back on, but i THINK that was legitimate? If it's an aborted bus, he probably should have pushed harder and not left? 8 Pandain 12-04-2013 06:56 PM ET (US) He was maf in b2b with slam. Hf not even mention it or fact slam is way dufferent 9 austinmcc 12-04-2013 06:58 PM ET (US) I know you liked LoneMeow's mason log with you, but overall....feelings on LM? 10 Pandain 12-04-2013 06:59 PM ET (US) He jumped on thrawn after obvious lynch 11 Pandain 12-04-2013 07:03 PM ET (US) I got town feeling. His switch was so bad and like scummy 12 Pandain 12-04-2013 07:07 PM ET (US) Like can you see mafia openly making that statement 13 Pandain 12-04-2013 07:09 PM ET (US) I guess I can its sort of wifom 14 austinmcc 12-04-2013 07:11 PM ET (US) His vote made it 6 to 6, when Holyflare had previously been on thrawn but was now on Risen. If HF swapped back, then ... LM could vote Risen to make it 6-6 the other way, but I don't think had really said anything about EITHER person. From what I remember, he was on you and oats and not much else. Ugh. I'm REALLY not liking what I find from him, but yeah, the vote is on thrawn and I'm torn about voting anyone on thrawn. WTB MORE TIME 15 Pandain 12-04-2013 07:13 PM ET (US) Onegu is town to me somewhat. Also he's like using his handicapped son as excuses and I really can't see him pulling that card as scum even d it's true 16 Pandain 12-04-2013 07:19 PM ET (US) remember if thrawn got lynched and they didn't switch, then it's like ez lynch like we were doing on risen people. By switching, they saved themselves to what happened. To what is still happening. 17 Pandain 12-04-2013 08:10 PM ET (US) Coag holy LM gogo 18 austinmcc 12-04-2013 10:33 PM ET (US) LM > coag > holy for me right now. Grrrr, I should ahve pushed harder and should have gone back through my mason logs. He answered so much stuff but just NEVER spoke about thrawn, ever. Avoided it despite me being relatively thrawn-focused at times. Coag was townie to me, and hasn't...shaken that yet. I dunno, I've seen him useless as both alignments, and the last couple days are what scum coag does. The first couple days feel more like town coag --- he got excited about lies, followed his name, etc. etc. Now he's just doing nothing and attempting to do nothing, which is what I envision from scum coag. Holyflare doesn't really NEED to be posting a bunch if he's mafia, and he fought me on cc pretty hard I think? I will reread him. Artanis found him very townie in mason chat, he hasn't really done anything to tip my scumdar, but at this point that's not really enough. I'll do a deeper read into him, but he's not a top lynch for me. 19 austinmcc 12-04-2013 11:18 PM ET (US) Like, I've seen scum coag only in one game (haven't played much with him) and the ENTIRETY of his play was to vote and one time say that he didn't know what day it was. His filter is weak and his effort is weak, but he's STILL been way more involved than he was in that game. It's not 100%, it's a single-game meta read and he replaced in there, but...scum coag didn't ever seem to even pretend to read the thread. 20 Pandain 12-05-2013 12:27 AM ET (US) I wanted to wait for Holy, see if he got shot. Because it's so weird that supposedly the only one who was making sense didnt' get shot. Like if Holy is town and mafia were lurkers, that's an extremely poor choice when it should be obvious. Do you remember the first game we played together? I was scum and put in HUGE amounts of effort defending Firmtofu. I'm getting that feel from Holy. When others are getting lynched for sure, he pops up and argues against who i think are scum. Then day comes, he's arguing for fucking slam. I agree with LM first, his last posts are suspicious as fuck . 21 Pandain 12-05-2013 12:38 AM ET (US) I wanted to do this: 1. We both say tonight that holy is basically confirmed town. Point out some stuff, say there's no way he's scum. If he still doesn't get shot... :o 22 austinmcc 12-05-2013 12:44 AM ET (US) Yeah, we'll see about tonight's shot. I was actually super thankful that koshi and mig got killed, I even started to get paranoid about mig voting risen, mig shooting 2 townies, etc. etc. I could never convince myself he was mafia, or likely mafia, but paranoia starts to set in. I'm probably happy to call him very townie. I actually was doing that with VA. VA did some stuff that looked really scummy to me, but was almost certainly town based on the way he was defending himself and pooping from space, as slam might say. But I wanted to push him as mafia, see if I could get some people to jump on him as a mislynch. I know thrawn started saying he was mafia...as did slam. It's one of the points against slam, except that slam also seems to dislike anyone who just craps on people in thread. 23 austinmcc 12-05-2013 06:41 PM ET (US) Okay. I just did too much filtering for one sitting. Currently, just off of looking, I could see a LM/slam/hopeless1der remainder. Grack fantastically likely town. Only likely to have one more mafia mason (4/6 mafia being mafia masons, and majority (i think) masons being mafia feels wrong). If LM mafia, that kind of pulls you and HF out of things. Also, I want to know your thoughts specifically about the LM/slam thing I'm seeing. Dost thou see-est it too? 24 austinmcc 12-05-2013 07:47 PM ET (US) A similarity running through my mason chats this game, I guess, sorry I wasn't active for a bunch of it. I think we're still in okay shape. Let's see who the NK is, we re-evaluate, and lynch us some mafias. | ||
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austinmcc
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LM and thrawn were BOTH on Pandain D3, and he was lynchable. Not being lynched, but within range of a random vote swap or so. BC's swap doesn't do much for me, because MAYBE he was trying to kill Pandain, or MAYBE he saw that I'd voted, unknown, it was just a couple minutes. But if LM is scum, 2 mafia were on pandain and a 3rd jumped on him. I find it unlikely they'd risk losing 2 mafia that day and prematurely cutting their KP by 1 if town happened to swap. No way do I take that risk, no way AT ALL. We know both other leading candidates were town. Mafia does not let pandain be in danger like that. | ||
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