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raynpelikoneet
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On November 20 2013 11:20 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah rayn, I was slightly confused by Risen. Why is SS scum though rayn? Because he is acting like a baby and every time he posts he whines about me posting so much bohoo too hard to read bullcrap and then says nothing.. Also as i said i refuse to believe scum did not want to run for mayor. | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:22 VayneAuthority wrote: we can already see from mocsta that scum did try to get mayor. If anything it is pretty obvious SS is town at this point or they woulda used their votes to get him into office easily Yeah but they DID get him into the office. | ||
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I have no idea what are you suggesting here Vayne. If there was scum who actually tried to run for mayor (like who had a decent chance to become one) it's supersoft. | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:25 Holyflare wrote: Then that makes grack really bad because he secure the SS pardoner didn't he at the last second? Well it also makes sense they did not want to kill BH in case they "knew" he was assassin if they had an assassin read on VE. That would make supersoft look really bad (as the situation is now rofl). | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:28 Holyflare wrote: he only mentioned mocsta last second on an on the cuff remark, who is to say if he became mayor that somebody couldn't have "changed his mind"? it is wifom at best and shouldn't really matter either way This is what i tried to say earlier. supersoft says after the deadline "i am rereading Mocsta's filter". There is no guarantee he would lynch Mocsta at all. Especially considering he does never bring Mocsta up on N1. Not a single time after the lynch. | ||
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Well you called everyone who accused you scum and then basically went afk at D2 start. I agree that if you had known BH is not scum (being scum) you would have probably done something to avoid this situation and that's a point in your favor - i mean if you were scum you would have known BH will flip non-scum and therefore tried to avoid this situation by being more active on D2. I am not calling you scum, i just think you could be more productive because i know you are capable of being more productive. | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:43 Grackaroni wrote: so basically.... SS is scum because he complains about you? Sounds logical. No because half of his posts is complaining about me and the other half is complaining about something else.. He's supposed to be a fucking town leader, yet he doing nothing to be one. | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:48 austinmcc wrote: rayn, ss is very likely town. Also, if you think he's mafia and i'm mafia, I chose to make him pardoner and not mayor Yeah and pardoner is pro-scum role and better than mayor if the mayor lynches town on D1. Also as people have said supersoft said he will lynch Mocsta. So i don't see the problem here. | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:56 austinmcc wrote: I will draw a picture for you in a bit. The problem is that methinks you are wrong about ss's alignment. And meknows you're wrong about me. And the scenarios you are creating don't really make the BEST sense. So I think you need to reexamine. Don't twist the argument. You said it does not make sense for you two to be scum i said it makes perfect sense if you are scum. Now how does it not make sense if you are both scum again? | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:02 Grackaroni wrote: there's still the fact that SS had absolutely no way of knowing that VE would show up for the lynch. I have fucking explained that three times already. There is no guarantee ss will in fact lynch Mocsta. How the fuck is it so hard to read the thread? This is why i need to post all the stuff many times, people do not read. | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is what i tried to say earlier. supersoft says after the deadline "i am rereading Mocsta's filter". There is no guarantee he would lynch Mocsta at all. Especially considering he does never bring Mocsta up on N1. Not a single time after the lynch. do i need to bring the quotes or are you too lazy to check by yourself? | ||
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good night. | ||
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If supersoft is scum he is now one time lynchproof and we can't even vig him because he has a vest so yeah, pardoner not a good scum role totes... | ||
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Alakaslam the thread is yours. <3 | ||
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Anyways, here i presesent to you supersoft the mafia pardoner: This is supersoft's to lynch -list near end of D1: On November 17 2013 05:08 supersoft wrote: Someone from this group probably: Grack, coagulation, Hopeless1der, Storr, hiro protagonist, Risen, OOHCHILD (mostly because of his terrible reasoning for not voting BC/me) tbh: you're still a candidate even though you vote for me. mig might be a target, i mean he's a strong townread, but usually I don't like to kill vets day1. it's a huge group right now, but i hadn't had the time to separate bad townies from scum. If I reread the whole thread, the list might change a lot. But i'll write some cases up in the next couple of hours and I want to disuss this especially with BC. Grackaroni, Coagulation, Hopeless, Storrzerg, Hiro/thrawn, Risen, kushmasta, Pandain, and Mig (he corrected in the next post Mig is not a townread but strong scumread). Next thing he does is he starts asking people to give +/- on those people. Some people answer, mainly Grackaroni. After some time supersoft says Pandain looks a bit better and he does want to give Mig another day, does not comment on any other of his candidates. So if we take out Pandain, the list looks like this: Grackaroni, Coagulation, Hopeless, Storrzerg, Hiro/thrawn, Risen and kushmasta. Then this piece of conversation happens: On November 17 2013 09:35 Grackaroni wrote: My vote is still up in the air. If you can make a decent case for somebody being scum than I will move my vote. Right now I think you will lynch random inactives with a bad chance of flipping scum and then eventually, if no scum are lynched, you will get lynched for winning the mayoral race. At least Yamato's scum play is bad enough that he won't be accused. On November 17 2013 09:36 supersoft wrote: okay lol so you're the deciding vote or what -_- okay tell me your targets and I consider them. On November 17 2013 09:44 Grackaroni wrote: I liked Artanis' points on Mocsta; that is honestly the best case in thread. I honestly haven't been looking too hard into the thread but I think lynching one of Koshi/Rayn could be a good idea. Koshi has been playing scared and Rayn's HF push was bad. I also think he honestly might have slipped with how he handled the BH claim when asking him who he would lynch as mayor. He already said he would lynch Vayne so why ask for clarification all of a sudden if he wasn't reconsidering BH for mayor. (prefer Rayn lynch) If it has to be an inactive, I think it should be hopeless. Looking through Pandain's filter I dislike a lot of what he has said recently. I'm ok with leaving him alive I should be able to get a good grasp of his allignment by day2 On November 17 2013 09:47 supersoft wrote: alright i am filterin mocsta right now. Does this sound legit to you? Grackaroni, one of supersoft's lynch targets tells him Mocsta is the best lynch according to Artanis' case. supersoft does not read Artanis' case, he has admitted that later on. He just says "okay i read my top scumreads target's filter, the target is btw someone who wasn't on my lynch list earlier, and i will not even look at the ready case there is, but don't worry, i read the filter, np ezpz there still 13 minutes to the lynch". Notice that here is also when austin suddenly makes a voteswitch onto VE like Vayne pointed out. Then here is what happens next: On November 17 2013 09:52 supersoft wrote: I am unsure... If I cannot find a proper target, I am going with Hopelessder or Coag... I am rereading mocsta right now. I also want to have a look at mattchew. 8 minutes before the lynch, has another target still, wants to look into Mocsta and Mattchew (who was not on the initial list aswell). Does he even read these filters because he has time to find new target compared to Mocsta all the time. I don't believe he is even reading Mocsta's filter because he just keeps on posting new targets instead of reading. On November 17 2013 09:57 supersoft wrote: okay i guess I'd kill mocsta. I believe he's scum. I am rereading him again. Here he says he'd kill Mocsta. But notice the underlined. This is already backpedalling! Then the time is up and VE is the mayor. Pandain says he has a townread on Mocsta. On November 17 2013 10:02 supersoft wrote: Which posts give you that impression? We have 15 minutes until I probably have to decide. I doubt that VE shows up and even if he shows up, i guess he'll consider mocsta, too... Another move that seems like backpedalling. Notice that Pandain is also a person that supersoft at least does not think is town because a while ago he was his scumread, yet he says "hey gimme some townie points on Mocsta". This comment screams insecureness and fear. "Do i really need to decide the lynch if VE does not come back.. fuuuccckkkk". Also notice that supersoft is supposed to be rereading Mocsta's filter, yet he has time to post every other minute. Mocsta is his top scumread (apparently), yet he is not telling VE to lynch Mocsta in case he comes back. On November 17 2013 10:04 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Lynch: Skanjab1s On November 17 2013 10:05 supersoft wrote: okay i guess that's a solid lynchcandidate... "OKAY I GUESS THAT'S A SOLID LYNCHCANDIDATE"?!?!!?!??! More like "phew.. i got out of this shitty situation". Fuck, Skanjabs is NOT even a scumread for supersoft. supersoft had 8 scumreads, Mocsta "#1", VE lynches outside his pool and it's a "solid lynchcandidate". WTF, ARE YOU OKAY WITH LYNCHING EVERYONE IN THIS GAME? This is fucking bullshit. And what does he tell VE later on: On November 17 2013 20:56 supersoft wrote: skanjab was a bad lynch. because we never talked about him at all. We have almost no information how people thought about him. We didnt even know that he was mason. Mocsta would have been a better lynch, since we had many opinions on him. Man, not even I filtered skanjab before you killed him. But it's okay. Doesn't change the posotove pitcome of the votings. two townies in the office is a decent start. BUT HE WAS AN OKAY LYNCH WHEN VE KILLED HIM??? Of course he was a good lynch because supersoft didn't need to squirm out of Mocsta lynch!!! Now when Mocsta is under no pressure he was obviously a bad lynch and Mocsta was so much better! rofl. Then suddenly, OUT OF NOWHERE, this: On November 18 2013 09:47 supersoft wrote: oh fuck, i just realized i might die tonight, regardless of my two lives :D I have an issue with Oatsmaster wait! i come up with some stuff i noticed, whe looking through his filter ^_^ Suddenly there is a big scumread on someone completely different from his lynch list. No filtering for his scumreds from D1, no Mocsta, apparently supersoft dropped all his scumreads from D1, even Mocsta who was totally scum, to find BAD OATSMASTER! resoning for Oatsmaster scumread is this: 1) Oats asks a lot of questions and posts many onliners and has no thoughts - that's what Oats always does, and he has had thoughts. 2) Oats has an assassin read on VE - guess fucking what VE was? So yeah, as a TLDR;
What has supersoft done after this and after N1:
So yeah, the only thing people can even remotely think supersoft is town is because he said "i guess i will lynch Mocsta". If someone is considered town because of one comment like that (which i have pointed out is fucking fishy in the first place) i might aswell give up this game. Everything else supersoft has done this game has been HELLA SCUMMY! Notice also that we are talking about a guy who is supposed to be a town leader. He's fucking vet who is considered really good at this game, yet he is plaing like absolute shit, and not only shit, but SCUMMY! Lynch supersoft the mafia pardoner on D3, let's burn his pardon down and lynch him again on D4. Also lynch austin as a second lynch on D3. Thank you for listening. | ||
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On November 20 2013 23:02 OOHCHILD wrote: @rayne thanks for that summary on what went down d1. Actually it was really helpful even though I don't think it's as conclusive about ss's alignment as you do. I am null and very conflicted on ss. Having a lot of weak scumreads is pretty common at the end of d1. So that is not a point against him. Why did he even give so much attention to the possibility of lynching mocsta when he really didn't have to? He had so many possibly lynches that I don't see why scum SS would have put himself into that position. I don't know. I really don't. But that's not the point. Because i can't know what was going on in his mind. My point is his actions do not make sense. His though process does not look townie at all. He lets his scumreads tell him who to lynch or look into (lol), he doesn't reall seem like he even wanted to lynch Mocsta (why, if he was his top target?), he does not tell VE to lynch Mocsta (why, if he thought Mocsta was the best lynch?), he tells VE Skan lynch was decent, then says it was bad (why sudden mind change?), then he drops all his scumreads and makes a half-assed case on Oats (why? did his all scumread suddenly turn up town?). If you read the list can you see a townie thought process behind it? Would you filter random people over your scumreads? Would you listen to your scumreads on who to lynch? 10 minutes to the lynch, you are not sure who you want to lynch and you're filtering people. Would you post in thread while filtering? About other people than who you are filtering? Would you do that if you were in supersoft's position? Because i would not and i can't find any townie motivation / explanation to his actions. | ||
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You will never catch good scumplayer (for example marv) based on what they say. They will always have "scummy" scumplayers as their scumreads. They will call them scum. It's not about what they say, it's about whet they do not say or do. Maybe weaker players straight out contradict themselves in saying "no i don't wanna lynch this guy" when someone is obviously scum. But stronger scum don't do that, maybe they don't have to say it in the first place. The question here is are they acting towards what they say. Does it look like supersoft really wanted to lynch Mocsta in case he got the mayor role? Because to me it does not look like it. He is not saying "yes i will kill Mocsta if you make me mayor - Grackaroni pelase do make me mayor - EVERYONE WHO IS HERE MAKE ME MAYOR SO I WILL KILL MOCSTA!". He doesn't do that, in fact he does the opposite while saying "Mocsta is a good lynch". He finds reasons to NOT lynch him while calling him a good lynch. Also his actions on N1 support this. He never brings up Mocsta again. Hell he doesn't even bring up any of his scumreads. Instead he find Oats, who he has never talked about before. It just doesn't make sense. | ||
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On November 20 2013 23:35 OOHCHILD wrote: haha rayne basically you put in the work but you have zero skill for hunting scum so dont even go there with trying to teach me lessons You are funny ^_^ | ||
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