TL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die - Page 21

Holyflare
11-26-2013
01:33 PM ET (US)
Well hopefully we don't die! risen into coag is a solid lynch train and yeh i think it's hopeless but we'll see what happens!
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Mig
11-26-2013
12:41 PM ET (US)
Btw if somehow Grack is alive at LyLo then there is a decent chance he could be mafia. Just the fact that every single mafia member has targeted him and he has killed them. Especially if Risen/Coag are mafia because they have both voted Grack. Could be some ridiculous Grack going on his own plan/targeted by the team for towncred. But this is just kind of a random thought. I doubt grack will be alive then.
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Mig
11-26-2013
12:25 PM ET (US)
I agree Coag is super scummy. Your stuff combined with my earlier reasons seems like a pretty solid case. Coag is tricky in that it is hard to ever have a super solid case on him but this is probably about as good as you can get.

I also think hopeless is probably the last mafia (if we are right about risen/coag). Hopeless has just said too many nonsensical things/been too unhelpful compared to his normal town play.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-26-2013
04:53 AM ET (US)
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Coag is scum, holy crap how have I not seen it before. His filter is total garbage. I'm going to make a post on him 100%

He also says this by the way:




but his pretty much first post of the day is:





he wants to lynch thrawn, votes risen and then says he doesn't give a shit and then ends up lynching thrawn anyway??? How flip floppy can you be?!
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Holyflare
11-25-2013
07:02 PM ET (US)
Sorry didn't have time yet :'( been at law exams so kinda exhausted, will be able to do it before mason chat ends though so np!
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-25-2013
03:05 PM ET (US)
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Reading up on coag, give me a bit.
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Mig
11-25-2013
12:07 PM ET (US)
If he wasn't going to push a 2shot vig for sick town cred then why mention him at all. Should just let mocsta fly under the radar.
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Mig
11-25-2013
12:06 PM ET (US)
What do you think about Coag?
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Holyflare
11-25-2013
10:59 AM ET (US)
Why would he push a 2 shot vigi that hard :p? Anyway, I'm pretty confident in my list of people!
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Mig
11-24-2013
09:51 PM ET (US)
Slam could possibly be scum. He seems so random tough to say for sure.

Grack I think it is very unlikely he is mafia. If you see how he pushed mocsta day1 he was hesitant to tell supersoft to lynch him. He didn't push insanely hard and say this guy is definitely scum (which if he were going for a towncred bus he would push stronger so he receives more credit. Then he was also one of the strongest supporters of lynching BC. Just seems unlikely.

I considered what you are saying that BC knows grack is mafia so he had extra information to make the case but I think it is more likely just BC being a retard and forcing a case when there was none, which led to his death.
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Holyflare
11-24-2013
04:54 PM ET (US)
Also tempted by slam but i haven't read through him yet
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Holyflare
11-24-2013
04:53 PM ET (US)
I'm thinking grack could also be scum exactly because of those scum pushes by the way. Did you read bc's case and subsequently why i thought bc was scummy? It said that bc had total non towny reasoning, the only way he could come up with something like he did was if it was the truth. I.e. Mocsta was annoyed at grack because he was scum and pushing their vig. I don't think we should sleep on that guy.

My list so far looks like:

Risen, thrawn, hopeless, onegu/grack. Onegu returns to the thread and spends the entirety of his time attacking just me based on something he misinterpreted and doesn't actually participate. His votes were on people with 0 votes (me and austin) and he didn't vote to save rayn or bc who were his top town reads over null reads.
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Mig
11-24-2013
04:05 PM ET (US)
lol yea they are monkeys
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-24-2013
02:27 PM ET (US)
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what the actual fuck is going on, is this defend scum till they die day!? everyone has suddenly flipped to thrawn being really towny despite there being lots of evidence that he isn't.................. -.-
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Mig
11-24-2013
01:01 PM ET (US)
Pandain is definitely not confirmed town. I think the Vet claim makes sense, his change of read about my notes makes sense from a townie and showed he was evaluating new information for his reads and his lie about ss changing the logs brought a lot of pressure onto himself and if he is townie is really pro town. So I lean town on him but he is absolutely not confirmed town.
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Mig
11-24-2013
12:59 PM ET (US)
Right that post by hopeless is horrible. I just played with hopeless in white flag he seemed very reasonable and logical. That post is a joke. Still ranting about the ss/pandain logs which were explained 5 times.
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Holyflare
11-24-2013
11:49 AM ET (US)
Pretty much the only contribution hopeless has is a case on pandain which he quoted today again. Effectively useless.

What do you think of pandain? Keep hearing people say he is confirmed town?? Not so sure on that to be honest.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-24-2013
11:38 AM ET (US)
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rayn wagon is definitely suspicious people too, I don't think we can count them out
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-24-2013
11:34 AM ET (US)
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lol I'll be a happy guy if oats/bc/hopeless are scum because that's who I made a giant post on d2 :D:D:D:D:D! I think thrawn is definitely scum, risen is almost definitely scum. Hopeless for the same reasons as day 2. I haven't really looked so much into him as of late but his posts today look quite weird. His last few posts have been having an aggressive tone though which I find a bit suspicious because he hasn't really done anything to help.

This post for example:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...urrentpage=302#6022

he is pretty much yelling at us and trying to get us to reason into a risen lynch when everyone is already on him, all it is, is asking questions about people and he swears at us for not playing the game? Last I checked he has done no scum hunting or anything to actually contribute in any way yet here he is telling us how to play. I think that's a scummy mindset to have and feigns actual contribution. Especially as it echo's exactly what we have said (that the bc switch was intentional wifom)
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Mig
11-24-2013
11:08 AM ET (US)
After that it gets a bit murky. Assuming Risen is mafia that makes Vayne look a lot better. I am actually somewhat suspicious of hopeless now. What are your thoughts on him?
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Mig
11-24-2013
11:02 AM ET (US)
Right now I think Risen/Thrawn are slam dunks the odds of them being mafia are so incredibly high. They knew SS would not change his opinion (he tunneled oats all game and believed BC all game he is kind of a monkey in that regard). And if he killed one of them and lowered their kp he would be a real bitch to remove so had to get rid of him.
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Mig
11-24-2013
11:01 AM ET (US)
Hey hey!
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-24-2013
10:47 AM ET (US)
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Gotta go for a bit but i'll be on later and we will have many chats. Leave me some questions/things you want to discuss though!
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-24-2013
10:46 AM ET (US)
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HELLO THERE FRIEND
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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-24-2013
10:45 AM ET (US)
Holyflare and Mig mason Day 4/Night 4