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On November 15 2013 21:19 Onegu wrote:
Hello fellow team liquidians. Sorry I have been busy for the day. Im am also going to run for mayor.
First if I am elected I will not listen to anyone as they may corrupt my thoughts, and you dont want a corrupt mayor.
Second I will not shoot at scum with my day one lynch, I will find and kill 3p, this gets rid of two people that do not have pro town ideals, instead of just one.
With this in mind it is obvious I am the best choice for mayor.
UNCORRUPTABLE FOR LXIII
PS from this game on I will put sorry in every first post every game.
PPS Yes Im serious
This is really bad Onegu.
A mayor promising to lynch third party?
If this is serious it's so ridiculous he's probably scum.
+ Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 02:12 Onegu wrote:Also rayn I dont like how HF doesnt give many hard raeds on his own, but asks people for thier thoughts on them. Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 12:05 Holyflare wrote:fml I had to write this out twice because I had so many tabs open ~_~ @ rayn's post earlier: HereYou claim that my case was in fact bad but then you agree with everything that I had specifically laid out within it, what gives? Did you just not read it? Clearly there were no good reads at that present time and for a mayor to be established reads must be thrown around, which is exactly what I was saying. Your choice of mayor is based entirely off if you agree with their reads? Why? You also debase the entirety of it because of the one line that said if "I failed to lynch my top scum read S". The plurality in reads assumes that one would live past day 1 and be able to use their double voting power as you cannot lynch multiple reads on day 1. There is also: On November 15 2013 10:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay ignoring Risen for the rest of D1. You were scum partners with risen in heavyweight. You know he is crazy and will literally do anything or write anything to win. How can you be so quick to have a town read on him based off of a post? He has won world champs and also has the "best mafia play" award or whatever. To quite openly say you will not read him for the rest of day 1 is making me apprehensive to say the least. ____________________________________________________________________________ @rest of the town Also some other things that struck me as odd; Hopeless' start to the game: On November 15 2013 08:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
VE you got some credentials? How many successful mayor campaigns have you run? I've played one game with this guy and in that game (he was town) at the very start he was trying to contribute to current conversations and get things talking. This games start has been very lackluster from him. After asking VE about his past mayor games VE responds that he has been mayor once and he died night 1. By no means are they solid credentials in any terms. His contributions were just useless "won't vote for kush" posts. He then drops his mayor vote onto VE after hearing about his 1 game experience and leaves the thread. _____________________________________________________________________________________ I'm actually leaning a bit more suspiciously towards rayn right now; however I thought it was interesting to see these 2 posts just as I refreshed. + Show Spoiler +On November 15 2013 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 11:05 Risen wrote:
I'll vote anyone who makes their platform lynching rayn. You get modkilled for not voting. :p
What's wrongwith Oats this game? He's like a bit more dick than usually. On November 15 2013 11:55 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
So what I dont like about Mocsta's mayor post is that its very staged and rehearsed. Which obviously is scummy because town dont need to make up shit and make sure it sounds nice.
The thing with Storrzerg, like the stuff he says is objectively scummy. Sure. Noob claiming and all that. But town do it too.
On the other hand, he doesnt normally post so reservedly.
So in conclusion, I am null on Storrzerg and null on Mocsta. Oats baby. Read my case again I gave one of stores first posts from Hogwarts. A similar sized game. He came out guns blazing. The analysis was wrong. But more importantly it was there, unlike this game.
Oats, shy are you so prickly this game.
Normally you are obnoxious, but tidY you feel venomous.Why so angry? P.s. I'm more referring to your interactions with V.E Obviously no associative tells between unflipped players yada yada but I find it "psychologically intriguing" when people bring up similarities like that. Obviously if you are scum, the posts that stick out to you the most are your scum partners and so you can subconsciously repeat them etc. However, this is a lackluster point to say the least just something I'd thought I'd note. Here he makes a very small point on hopelesses first post. And that his contributions are useless. Then he tells Mattchew he should look into hopeless because he has played with him in Hogwarts Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 12:54 Holyflare wrote:On November 15 2013 12:54 Mattchew wrote:
VE who shoudl i look at? Hopeless. You played with him in hogwarts. What is your take on him this game? He doesnt add anything. At this point Hopeless filter is very short and no where near a hot button topic so why have mattchew take a closer look at him. Then out of no where comes HF asking the thread about mattchew when HF hasnt talked about mattchew yet. Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 14:13 Holyflare wrote:Can someone give me their take on mattchew please? I'm having a hard time untangling his posts. Like.... it's all crap, he even asked on who he should look into and didn't end up doing that but also posts something like: On November 15 2013 12:47 Mattchew wrote:
Yam and mocsta are town but i dont agree with Mocsta's case on Storr. I saw his conclusion, read storrs filter for myself, then read his case, and reconsidered but was not swayed into putting storr anywhere but neutral. Storr is going to play different, because he comes from a different type of mafia. Mocsta sometimes equivocates different to scum . Mattchew, what is your take on hopeless and rayn? I know you've now played with both because of hogwarts so what is your view on them at this present time? ________________________________________________________ For everyone else, much like grack, mattchew came out of the woodwork to post a point relating to mocsta/storr and apart from that has really added nothing. His other "content" is just calling people town etc. He makes the effort to "read" the filter of one player but has no evidence of that for any other player, despite many being mentioned in the game. Would you be comfortable lynching this way, because I would. Then again he asks Mattchew for his thoughts on hopeless which he only talked about one time, and rayn. Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 14:37 Holyflare wrote:On November 15 2013 14:35 Alakaslam wrote:he has taken up the position as the leader of RNG lynches ever since the downfall of Palmar. Now quit changing the subject you silly Alaskan lamb; where can we find this scum remover and can you be more flexible on price? You can get it from deep CHUPAZI, I am not sure what they would charge I troll no further albeit tempting Not actually sure if I can deliver on that promise Your take on mattchew please? Also I want to hear more opinions on rayn, don't want to let him pass unchecked. He hasnt added anything to the discussion but continues to just ask peoples opinion. Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 14:20 Holyflare wrote:
What does scum matt look like then? Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 15:00 Holyflare wrote:
Either way, he isn't here and I've linked all that needs to be linked. What do you think of rayn so far. I know you had some back and forths last game. Has your read on him improved because of hogwarts or not? Without adding anything to the discussion he tries to look active by just asking questions.
Also pretty bad analysis because he was probably doing more then anyone else and still analyzing. + Show Spoiler +I think Holy is suspicious, haven't analyzed him yet though.
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Besides that though Onegu is probably town, that bad analysis is contrasted with a plethora of analysis' later and onegu is usually a lurker.
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+ if mig is town, he's only a shadow of his former self.
Mig was like an Idol to Palmar and me
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ss if oats is scum, dont you think this quote is weird??
On November 15 2013 11:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
hm mocsta is either scum for jumping on lynchbait or town jumping on lynchbait.
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furthermore I find your case against Oats completely unconvincing. You cannot say his meta is to try harder, because how hard you try usually depends on external circumstances. I think big games like this make it more likely for town to lurk because it's so much harder to keep up and have relevant ideas.
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kush you are moving up on my list
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On November 19 2013 07:37 OOHCHILD wrote:ss if oats is scum, dont you think this quote is weird?? Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 11:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
hm mocsta is either scum for jumping on lynchbait or town jumping on lynchbait.
why not? he just points out 3 possible scenarios and casts confusion? he doesnt take any stance, does he?
On November 19 2013 07:41 OOHCHILD wrote:
furthermore I find your case against Oats completely unconvincing. You cannot say his meta is to try harder, because how hard you try usually depends on external circumstances. I think big games like this make it more likely for town to lurk because it's so much harder to keep up and have relevant ideas.
I agree on that, but I think it's not only that. I think - what i pointed out above - that oats refuses to take any position in his scumgames. He just asks questions and makes short comments that say nothing.
In his towngame he did the same, but in between he took positions.
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Like Oats is scum because he voted yamato (who flipped town) mayor and called VE assasin?
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oats isn't scum. assassin at best.
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I can actually get behind an Oats lynch. For the town.
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Let me just clarify. I dont think the quote is scum on scum because in a way it's tooscummytobescum. As scum he probably wouldn't take such a blatantly ambivalent stance on his scumbuddy.
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On November 19 2013 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Oats is scum because he voted yamato (who flipped town) mayor and called VE assasin?
On November 19 2013 07:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
oats isn't scum. assassin at best.
guys. I really appreciate any constructive critisism. But I don't know what to respond to this.
Can you just point out what I am missing?
Please some text. This is nothing personal. I just want to lynch scum and I have no problem, if I am wrong right now.
Just tell me what you think.
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On November 19 2013 08:01 OOHCHILD wrote:
Let me just clarify. I dont think the quote is scum on scum because in a way it's tooscummytobescum. As scum he probably wouldn't take such a blatantly ambivalent stance on his scumbuddy.
Why? Why not? Why would he not take such a blatantly ambivalent stance on his scumbuddy? It's not like Mocsta was in danger of being lynched at the time, SS wasn't in favor of a Mocsta lynch until super late. But this was like, earlier in the day.
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I have given my reasoning, just ignore the first page of my filter. I can't see that conversation between oats and mocsta happening as scum on scum. I don't have him as confirmed town yet but like I said, don't think he's scum. I thought he was scum in ## mafia because he played slightly differently but he was just town there too.
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Make no mistake that I am not advocating that scum conversations never happen, just that it was extremely early in the game and it is a very sarcastic/aggressive conversation to have as two people on a team. It looks emotionally charged, not fake
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On November 19 2013 08:01 OOHCHILD wrote:
Let me just clarify. I dont think the quote is scum on scum because in a way it's tooscummytobescum. As scum he probably wouldn't take such a blatantly ambivalent stance on his scumbuddy.
Okay, now i get it, but hasn't exactly this happened a lot in the past?
If I read games after the flips, I am always like: "Woa, this is so cheap, how could we not see this."
I think we overlook some things because we don't try to get behind the statements enough.
yeah, you're right, if you're scum and you control what you say, you probably don't comment on a scumbuddy like this.
It's really scummy.
But in the situation, you're just chatting around a little, you might slip like that. Just saying... I don't think Oats is town because of that.
At best I think this statement is 0.
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On November 19 2013 08:05 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have given my reasoning, just ignore the first page of my filter. I can't see that conversation between oats and mocsta happening as scum on scum. I don't have him as confirmed town yet but like I said, don't think he's scum. I thought he was scum in ## mafia because he played slightly differently but he was just town there too.
What? You were scum in ## mafia?
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Ya VA is like totally town. VA thank you for being very obviously town this game.
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On November 18 2013 10:24 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 11:16 Mocsta wrote:On November 15 2013 11:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
hm mocsta is either scum for jumping on lynchbait or town jumping on lynchbait. So classic chainsaw defending oats is back in town. Gg too easy. Nice attempt to belittle my case. Storrzerg is an experienced player. Far from lynch bait. Want to have another go and explain why you disagree with my findings. Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 11:55 Mocsta wrote:On November 15 2013 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
So what I dont like about Mocsta's mayor post is that its very staged and rehearsed. Which obviously is scummy because town dont need to make up shit and make sure it sounds nice.
The thing with Storrzerg, like the stuff he says is objectively scummy. Sure. Noob claiming and all that. But town do it too.
On the other hand, he doesnt normally post so reservedly.
So in conclusion, I am null on Storrzerg and null on Mocsta. Oats baby. Read my case again I gave one of stores first posts from Hogwarts. A similar sized game. He came out guns blazing. The analysis was wrong. But more importantly it was there, unlike this game. Oats, shy are you so prickly this game. Normally you are obnoxious, but tidY you feel venomous. Why so angry? P.s. I'm more referring to your interactions with V.E who talks like this to their scum partner though...if oats is anti-town I doubt it's scum.
hmm no, i think these comments are short enough... Mocsta is ballsy enough to do that.
He's just softly attacking Oats. He just says he's angry and shy etc.
Not enough to rule out a scum/scum conversation in my eyes.
On November 19 2013 08:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ya VA is like totally town. VA thank you for being very obviously town this game.
agree on that one btw.
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