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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
November 18 2013 14:54 GMT
#3101
On November 18 2013 23:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis i will now explain this in detail.
If Koshi was scum he would know i am town. He would also be aware there are no cops, framers or millers because his scumteam has no framers 100%. I ask him a weird question. He also knows me pretty well. He would therefore know there is something i am trying to achieve with my question. What is rayn after? What's he trying to accoplish with this? What the fuck do i need to answer.

Therefore - as scum - he would most likely give an answer that can't go wrong with, which would be "lol rayn there are not cops in this game".

Fair enough, I believe you. Tried digging into the thread but 850 post scum QT = nothx. I'll take your word for it.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
November 18 2013 14:58 GMT
#3102
On November 18 2013 23:50 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 23:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 18 2013 23:44 Koshi wrote:
Hey hey hey. I am right here.
Could you guys read page 4 of BC his filter and tell me that is scummy?

imo it is pretty good.

One thing that instantly strikes me is how he changes his read on Storr from scum to null. A possible motivation for that could be knowing that Mocsta's going to shoot him during the night phase, and this way he'll look slightly better.

Yeah, but do you think scum already knew they would shoot StorrZerg? And do you think scum were the ones making Storrzerg a viable shot for towncred?

Mocsta didn't have to claim and could have easily shot somebody else. Looks more like Mocsta was gathering towncred with that shot, from BC, because he is town.

I'm pretty sure since Mocsta's been setting himself up for that shot quite some time. If he didn't claim it'd look strange. That said, I do see a few things that give me a bit more of a town read on BC, such as his immense anger at SZ and how he starts analyzing Mocsta. His reply towards StorrZerg doesn't suggest that he knows that Storr will die soon. The bit where he still accuses Grack has me clueless though. I can't put a town or scum mindset on that action, just a wtf one.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
November 18 2013 15:00 GMT
#3103
On November 18 2013 23:54 OOHCHILD wrote:
gratz you guys have successfully made it nearly impossible for anyone but yourselves to read the whole game. well done.
there's literally no way BC is going to have the time to catch up, and it's way harder to read someone who doesn't read.

So please rayne koshi artanis everyone knows you are all town. Stfu and let other people talk please, and if you have something to say, CONSOLIDATE your thoughts.

Okay, you can start as part of "other people". I'll sit back and enjoy my popcorn.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 18 2013 15:02 GMT
#3104
On November 18 2013 21:26 LoneMeow wrote:
Onegu, can you give me your thoughts on raypelikoneet, Oatsmaster and Pandain? Just a couple of sentences on each is fine. In return, you can choose any 3 players for me to comment on.



Rayn is heavy heavy town to me, I was able to spot him as scum in witchcraft early. This game is really different his tunnels have meaning and conviction that they lacked in WC mafia.

Oats I am null on I still havent got to his filter yet as I have been lazy today.


My notes on pandain I have him as town and dont really see why people are calling him really scummy, but I also have never really played with him either.


Give me reads on HF, VA, VE
Try TL Mafia!!!
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 18 2013 15:03 GMT
#3105
Yeah if out the vets people are scum I would go
BH
Mig
VE
BC
SS

And with Spag/Storr/Sharrant being shot I guess that it is likely there is scum there.
I had a good night of sleep.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 18 2013 15:04 GMT
#3106
On November 18 2013 23:54 OOHCHILD wrote:
gratz you guys have successfully made it nearly impossible for anyone but yourselves to read the whole game. well done.
there's literally no way BC is going to have the time to catch up, and it's way harder to read someone who doesn't read.

So please rayne koshi artanis everyone knows you are all town. Stfu and let other people talk please, and if you have something to say, CONSOLIDATE your thoughts.


rayn has 17 filterpages. i have 7 and I am talking a lot.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 15:05 GMT
#3107
On November 18 2013 23:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 23:50 Koshi wrote:
On November 18 2013 23:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 18 2013 23:44 Koshi wrote:
Hey hey hey. I am right here.
Could you guys read page 4 of BC his filter and tell me that is scummy?

imo it is pretty good.

One thing that instantly strikes me is how he changes his read on Storr from scum to null. A possible motivation for that could be knowing that Mocsta's going to shoot him during the night phase, and this way he'll look slightly better.

Yeah, but do you think scum already knew they would shoot StorrZerg? And do you think scum were the ones making Storrzerg a viable shot for towncred?

Mocsta didn't have to claim and could have easily shot somebody else. Looks more like Mocsta was gathering towncred with that shot, from BC, because he is town.

I'm pretty sure since Mocsta's been setting himself up for that shot quite some time. If he didn't claim it'd look strange. That said, I do see a few things that give me a bit more of a town read on BC, such as his immense anger at SZ and how he starts analyzing Mocsta. His reply towards StorrZerg doesn't suggest that he knows that Storr will die soon. The bit where he still accuses Grack has me clueless though. I can't put a town or scum mindset on that action, just a wtf one.

I don't think that came up as townie at all. It was more like "oh wtf, i guess i need to come up with something from Mocsta now". And then it was some half-arsed bullcrap. Like if you look at the conclusions they are so really weak and don't say anything at all besides "Grack is scum" rofl.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 18 2013 15:09 GMT
#3108
On November 19 2013 00:02 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 21:26 LoneMeow wrote:
Onegu, can you give me your thoughts on raypelikoneet, Oatsmaster and Pandain? Just a couple of sentences on each is fine. In return, you can choose any 3 players for me to comment on.



Rayn is heavy heavy town to me, I was able to spot him as scum in witchcraft early. This game is really different his tunnels have meaning and conviction that they lacked in WC mafia.

Oats I am null on I still havent got to his filter yet as I have been lazy today.


My notes on pandain I have him as town and dont really see why people are calling him really scummy, but I also have never really played with him either.


Give me reads on HF, VA, VE

VE: is looking horrible because his 4 scumreads (Storr, Skanjab, Grack and Sharrant) just all flipped town except Grack but he looks not too bad atm and spagg that was suspicious of him just died...

VA: My gut says he is a bit off but really... imo we should lynch BH today and if he is scum Alakaslam had something to tie BH to VA.

HF: Don't see it. But rayn is town for today. Wouldn't lynch HF today though.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 15:12 GMT
#3109
BC literally says "looking at Mocsta's scum meta he does never talk about his scumbuddies" but right after that he says "but from the people he talks about Grack is scum". He uses Mocstas meta to say "these guys are town" with no other justification but then contradicts himself in sayind "but hey, this is why Grackaroni is scum".
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 18 2013 15:13 GMT
#3110
Rayn I did the samething on grack as BH did, but you guys know my mindset as scum (bus all day everyday). Not sure grack should just get a free pass.

Koshi did you see my most recent post on HF? Do you read that post as him haveing a null read on LM like he claims?
Try TL Mafia!!!
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 18 2013 15:14 GMT
#3111
On November 19 2013 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BC literally says "looking at Mocsta's scum meta he does never talk about his scumbuddies" but right after that he says "but from the people he talks about Grack is scum". He uses Mocstas meta to say "these guys are town" with no other justification but then contradicts himself in sayind "but hey, this is why Grackaroni is scum".

Yeah but he gives reasoning for that and it's not the worst.
You really feel BC for scum?

What about VA and CC pushing LM as scum after Mocsta flip? Yamato vouched for LM and he flipped town. And for some reason LM is active in QTs...
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 18 2013 15:16 GMT
#3112
On November 19 2013 00:13 Onegu wrote:
Rayn I did the samething on grack as BH did, but you guys know my mindset as scum (bus all day everyday). Not sure grack should just get a free pass.

Koshi did you see my most recent post on HF? Do you read that post as him haveing a null read on LM like he claims?

Yeah and here are quotes from VA and CC pushing LM as well.
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 18 2013 10:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
three people of interest developed from mocsta's filter: kush, artanis and LM.

really buddy buddy with kush and they just have casual conversation where as most of the time mocsta's tone is extremely angry. abrupt changes when he talks to kush pretty strange.

really angry back and forth with artanis for ages, would be hard to fake as scum on scum. artanis is probably town

randomly of all people asks LM if he has caught up with the thread and says he doesn't want to think or talk about LM at all. When he and LM converse it looks fake as hell and completely useless.


On November 18 2013 10:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I am starting to see LM as scum too. 10/10 would lynch.


Don't know if it is anything yet.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 15:16 GMT
#3113
Yes i do Koshi and there is more which is not relevant until BH flips.
I'll talk more about that then.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 18 2013 15:18 GMT
#3114
I am totally with you to lynch BH. 100%
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 15:20 GMT
#3115
On November 19 2013 00:18 Koshi wrote:
I am totally with you to lynch BH. 100%

I can totally tell you i have a rocksolid case on BC when BH flips red. 100%
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 18 2013 15:22 GMT
#3116
On November 19 2013 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 00:18 Koshi wrote:
I am totally with you to lynch BH. 100%

I can totally tell you i have a rocksolid case on BC when BH flips red. 100%

Well, VE should use double lynch for tomorrow.

BH green --> We lynch BH scumread + we look for 1 more
BH red --> We lynch BC + we look for 1 more

100%
I had a good night of sleep.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 18 2013 15:25 GMT
#3117
Yeah Im good with a BH lynch. From GoT "a troll BH is a scum BH"
Try TL Mafia!!!
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 18 2013 15:26 GMT
#3118
##VOTE BH
Try TL Mafia!!!
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 18 2013 15:27 GMT
#3119
Hmm. Probably Golden Sun or Hogwarts not GoT :D
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 15:28 GMT
#3120
On November 17 2013 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
So to review:

LoneMeow - mason
Skanjab1s - mason
My Mason - mason
HIS Mason - mason
Pandain - mason

VE, time to speak. Who masoned you and who is the other mason who masoned them?
Because thrawn is a mason too so there are a shitton of masons now.
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