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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 16:15 GMT
#3141
sec i need to draw a picture.
table for two on a tv tray
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 18 2013 16:16 GMT
#3142
On November 19 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Isnt BC calling Grack town?

based on what precisely? The part where he continues to say Grack is scum? Or the part where people want to lynch BC for saying Grack is scum?

At any rate, I don't know BC's propensity to tunnel. I certainly don't know mocsta's meta, but assuming its true I come away thinking BC is town. He's also wrong about Grack, but I'd still say he's town.

Rayn, I'm not following how gaming the setup reveals scum.This better be good, I had you as town for trying to take control of the thread but now I feel you're pissing it away.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 18 2013 16:16 GMT
#3143
On November 19 2013 01:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 16:19 Blazinghand wrote:
like i'm kind of amazed people took that seriously. I didn't get RBed or shot so clearly scum didn't believe me so I guess I fucked up that chance to be cool but like come on man you aren't telling me you actually thought that crumb made sense? ._.

Track results? I guess no one cares, and since BH still hasnt posted them I have to assume he doesn't have them.
##Vote: Blazinghand

@Austin if BH ends up claiming your actions correctly, you're the only one that can stop us from mislynching.


lol I told you guys this wasn't reading the thread.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
November 18 2013 16:16 GMT
#3144
On November 19 2013 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 01:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was an indirect lie?


Yamato had me as a town read, not want to kill me. He stopped wanting to off me what? halfway mark of day 1.

Thats an indirect lie as you cherry picked his words to find something he did actually say, but he had also changed his opinion and stated that in game.

Also as a note, you may not have liked my conclusions but go look at his filter from personality 2. He interacts with austin twice day 1 then ignores his team almost fully until town has been so fucked up the asshole he has to talk to his team. You don't like my conclusions is fine, but from a meta stand point it makes perfect sense. Don't like why I think grack could still be scum? Read how mocsta was crafting his messages in personality. Everything was careful and had no real emotion behind it. He looks genuinely pissed at grack on their back and forths. He didnt react that way with anyone else except grack. Why? You may not like my conclusion but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound.

Yeah i agree he did not want you dead at the end of N1. You were one of the people he had accused. That's not a strong point anyways, and i didn't mean it like that.

Can you explain the "Mocsta's scum-meta suggests he does not interact with his scumbuddies, therefore all these people here are town with no other explanation" and right after "but Grackaroni is scum because Moscta talked about him"?

Also can you comment on my analyses on why i think Grackaroni is town and tell me why would Mocsta bus him because what you and BH are suggesting is absurd as hell. Tell me why would Mocsta leave no room other than to bus his teammate on D2 over ~10 other options that definitely do not make him look any worse?


His meta shows he distances himself and almost exclusively talks with town. He tunnels a townie he views as bad (storr). He then does everything else he did this game which is try and not be on radars. I am saying grack is different because of HOW he talked to him. Read personality 2, read this games filter. His interactions with grack are completely different than any other he had. He seems in this game to have a genuine reaction of anger/annoyance/whatever to grack. The guy carefully writes posts. Why would his interactions with 1 player be completely different from everything else his meta suggests? I would say cause he was legit pissed at grack for tunneling the shit out of him. I am reading it off of one specific reaction. Could I be wrong? Yes. However Grack has done basically nothing this game to make me doubt that read of the situation. If mocsta was as pissed as I think he was it would make perfect sense to still dive on grack.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 18 2013 16:18 GMT
#3145
On November 19 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 16:19 Blazinghand wrote:
like i'm kind of amazed people took that seriously. I didn't get RBed or shot so clearly scum didn't believe me so I guess I fucked up that chance to be cool but like come on man you aren't telling me you actually thought that crumb made sense? ._.

Actually this post makes no sense because BH here retracts from his tracker claim and in that case he can't possibly know if he was roleblocked or not. Soooo..

/dunked

Oh...okay yeah/ I thought he was saying "I have track results" but wouldnt give them.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
November 18 2013 16:19 GMT
#3146
On November 19 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 16:19 Blazinghand wrote:
like i'm kind of amazed people took that seriously. I didn't get RBed or shot so clearly scum didn't believe me so I guess I fucked up that chance to be cool but like come on man you aren't telling me you actually thought that crumb made sense? ._.

Actually this post makes no sense because BH here retracts from his tracker claim and in that case he can't possibly know if he was roleblocked or not. Soooo..

/dunked



To be quite honest this is a terrible post. You aren't notified if you are roleblocked. However, if you have a role and use it that would normally give you intel back (tracker for instance) you just dont get a pm of findings, ie you'd know you were blocked because you had 0 findings.

#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
November 18 2013 16:20 GMT
#3147
Pretty high chance BH flips assassin I'd say, not even joking this time.

VE needs to come in and tell who the masons are and activate double lynch for next cycle.

Let's realize that yamato is not infallible and unless some one really scummy is in those VE masons I'd say LM looks kinda bad from mocsta's filter
I come in for the scraps
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 18 2013 16:20 GMT
#3148
On November 19 2013 01:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 18 2013 16:19 Blazinghand wrote:
like i'm kind of amazed people took that seriously. I didn't get RBed or shot so clearly scum didn't believe me so I guess I fucked up that chance to be cool but like come on man you aren't telling me you actually thought that crumb made sense? ._.

Actually this post makes no sense because BH here retracts from his tracker claim and in that case he can't possibly know if he was roleblocked or not. Soooo..

/dunked



To be quite honest this is a terrible post. You aren't notified if you are roleblocked. However, if you have a role and use it that would normally give you intel back (tracker for instance) you just dont get a pm of findings, ie you'd know you were blocked because you had 0 findings.


That's rayn his point. BH says he isn't a tracker, but in the same sentence knows that he wasn't RB. How did he know he wasn't RB when he did no night action?
I had a good night of sleep.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 18 2013 16:21 GMT
#3149
Im pretty confused BC.

So Mocsta normally types very carefully to his scummates. But he is very angry with Grack this game. Therefore Grack is scum?
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 16:22 GMT
#3150
On November 19 2013 01:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was an indirect lie?


Yamato had me as a town read, not want to kill me. He stopped wanting to off me what? halfway mark of day 1.

Thats an indirect lie as you cherry picked his words to find something he did actually say, but he had also changed his opinion and stated that in game.

Also as a note, you may not have liked my conclusions but go look at his filter from personality 2. He interacts with austin twice day 1 then ignores his team almost fully until town has been so fucked up the asshole he has to talk to his team. You don't like my conclusions is fine, but from a meta stand point it makes perfect sense. Don't like why I think grack could still be scum? Read how mocsta was crafting his messages in personality. Everything was careful and had no real emotion behind it. He looks genuinely pissed at grack on their back and forths. He didnt react that way with anyone else except grack. Why? You may not like my conclusion but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound.

Yeah i agree he did not want you dead at the end of N1. You were one of the people he had accused. That's not a strong point anyways, and i didn't mean it like that.

Can you explain the "Mocsta's scum-meta suggests he does not interact with his scumbuddies, therefore all these people here are town with no other explanation" and right after "but Grackaroni is scum because Moscta talked about him"?

Also can you comment on my analyses on why i think Grackaroni is town and tell me why would Mocsta bus him because what you and BH are suggesting is absurd as hell. Tell me why would Mocsta leave no room other than to bus his teammate on D2 over ~10 other options that definitely do not make him look any worse?


His meta shows he distances himself and almost exclusively talks with town. He tunnels a townie he views as bad (storr). He then does everything else he did this game which is try and not be on radars. I am saying grack is different because of HOW he talked to him. Read personality 2, read this games filter. His interactions with grack are completely different than any other he had. He seems in this game to have a genuine reaction of anger/annoyance/whatever to grack. The guy carefully writes posts. Why would his interactions with 1 player be completely different from everything else his meta suggests? I would say cause he was legit pissed at grack for tunneling the shit out of him. I am reading it off of one specific reaction. Could I be wrong? Yes. However Grack has done basically nothing this game to make me doubt that read of the situation. If mocsta was as pissed as I think he was it would make perfect sense to still dive on grack.

Am i reading this correct. mafia!Mocsta was genuinely pissed off with mafia!Grackaroni for Grack tunneling Mocsta?
table for two on a tv tray
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
November 18 2013 16:24 GMT
#3151
On November 19 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 01:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was an indirect lie?


Yamato had me as a town read, not want to kill me. He stopped wanting to off me what? halfway mark of day 1.

Thats an indirect lie as you cherry picked his words to find something he did actually say, but he had also changed his opinion and stated that in game.

Also as a note, you may not have liked my conclusions but go look at his filter from personality 2. He interacts with austin twice day 1 then ignores his team almost fully until town has been so fucked up the asshole he has to talk to his team. You don't like my conclusions is fine, but from a meta stand point it makes perfect sense. Don't like why I think grack could still be scum? Read how mocsta was crafting his messages in personality. Everything was careful and had no real emotion behind it. He looks genuinely pissed at grack on their back and forths. He didnt react that way with anyone else except grack. Why? You may not like my conclusion but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound.

Yeah i agree he did not want you dead at the end of N1. You were one of the people he had accused. That's not a strong point anyways, and i didn't mean it like that.

Can you explain the "Mocsta's scum-meta suggests he does not interact with his scumbuddies, therefore all these people here are town with no other explanation" and right after "but Grackaroni is scum because Moscta talked about him"?

Also can you comment on my analyses on why i think Grackaroni is town and tell me why would Mocsta bus him because what you and BH are suggesting is absurd as hell. Tell me why would Mocsta leave no room other than to bus his teammate on D2 over ~10 other options that definitely do not make him look any worse?


His meta shows he distances himself and almost exclusively talks with town. He tunnels a townie he views as bad (storr). He then does everything else he did this game which is try and not be on radars. I am saying grack is different because of HOW he talked to him. Read personality 2, read this games filter. His interactions with grack are completely different than any other he had. He seems in this game to have a genuine reaction of anger/annoyance/whatever to grack. The guy carefully writes posts. Why would his interactions with 1 player be completely different from everything else his meta suggests? I would say cause he was legit pissed at grack for tunneling the shit out of him. I am reading it off of one specific reaction. Could I be wrong? Yes. However Grack has done basically nothing this game to make me doubt that read of the situation. If mocsta was as pissed as I think he was it would make perfect sense to still dive on grack.

Am i reading this correct. mafia!Mocsta was genuinely pissed off with mafia!Grackaroni for Grack tunneling Mocsta?



its how I'd read it yes. I can say as someone whos done some filter diving that mocsta wasn't really heavily picked up as a potential mafia by many people until after the bit between the two and grack was one of the more vocal people about the push. Could I be wrong? yes, but its completely out of place reaction type. If you don't believe my conclusion the information I used is open to anyone else to analyze.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
November 18 2013 16:25 GMT
#3152
On November 19 2013 01:20 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 01:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 18 2013 16:19 Blazinghand wrote:
like i'm kind of amazed people took that seriously. I didn't get RBed or shot so clearly scum didn't believe me so I guess I fucked up that chance to be cool but like come on man you aren't telling me you actually thought that crumb made sense? ._.

Actually this post makes no sense because BH here retracts from his tracker claim and in that case he can't possibly know if he was roleblocked or not. Soooo..

/dunked



To be quite honest this is a terrible post. You aren't notified if you are roleblocked. However, if you have a role and use it that would normally give you intel back (tracker for instance) you just dont get a pm of findings, ie you'd know you were blocked because you had 0 findings.


That's rayn his point. BH says he isn't a tracker, but in the same sentence knows that he wasn't RB. How did he know he wasn't RB when he did no night action?



bleh misread bh's statement.

Ignore that I am wrong.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 18 2013 16:25 GMT
#3153
On November 19 2013 01:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was an indirect lie?


Yamato had me as a town read, not want to kill me. He stopped wanting to off me what? halfway mark of day 1.

Thats an indirect lie as you cherry picked his words to find something he did actually say, but he had also changed his opinion and stated that in game.

Also as a note, you may not have liked my conclusions but go look at his filter from personality 2. He interacts with austin twice day 1 then ignores his team almost fully until town has been so fucked up the asshole he has to talk to his team. You don't like my conclusions is fine, but from a meta stand point it makes perfect sense. Don't like why I think grack could still be scum? Read how mocsta was crafting his messages in personality. Everything was careful and had no real emotion behind it. He looks genuinely pissed at grack on their back and forths. He didnt react that way with anyone else except grack. Why? You may not like my conclusion but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound.

Yeah i agree he did not want you dead at the end of N1. You were one of the people he had accused. That's not a strong point anyways, and i didn't mean it like that.

Can you explain the "Mocsta's scum-meta suggests he does not interact with his scumbuddies, therefore all these people here are town with no other explanation" and right after "but Grackaroni is scum because Moscta talked about him"?

Also can you comment on my analyses on why i think Grackaroni is town and tell me why would Mocsta bus him because what you and BH are suggesting is absurd as hell. Tell me why would Mocsta leave no room other than to bus his teammate on D2 over ~10 other options that definitely do not make him look any worse?


His meta shows he distances himself and almost exclusively talks with town. He tunnels a townie he views as bad (storr). He then does everything else he did this game which is try and not be on radars. I am saying grack is different because of HOW he talked to him. Read personality 2, read this games filter. His interactions with grack are completely different than any other he had. He seems in this game to have a genuine reaction of anger/annoyance/whatever to grack. The guy carefully writes posts. Why would his interactions with 1 player be completely different from everything else his meta suggests? I would say cause he was legit pissed at grack for tunneling the shit out of him. I am reading it off of one specific reaction. Could I be wrong? Yes. However Grack has done basically nothing this game to make me doubt that read of the situation. If mocsta was as pissed as I think he was it would make perfect sense to still dive on grack.

Am i reading this correct. mafia!Mocsta was genuinely pissed off with mafia!Grackaroni for Grack tunneling Mocsta?



its how I'd read it yes. I can say as someone whos done some filter diving that mocsta wasn't really heavily picked up as a potential mafia by many people until after the bit between the two and grack was one of the more vocal people about the push. Could I be wrong? yes, but its completely out of place reaction type. If you don't believe my conclusion the information I used is open to anyone else to analyze.

He didn't seem to like Artanis either but you are right that Mocsta actually does seem really angry towards me.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
November 18 2013 16:26 GMT
#3154
On November 19 2013 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im pretty confused BC.

So Mocsta normally types very carefully to his scummates. But he is very angry with Grack this game. Therefore Grack is scum?


He types carefully in general and ignores his teammates. The interaction with grack this game from what I saw in both games filters is completely unique. Its only that reason that it stands out to me.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 18 2013 16:26 GMT
#3155
On November 19 2013 01:20 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 01:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 18 2013 16:19 Blazinghand wrote:
like i'm kind of amazed people took that seriously. I didn't get RBed or shot so clearly scum didn't believe me so I guess I fucked up that chance to be cool but like come on man you aren't telling me you actually thought that crumb made sense? ._.

Actually this post makes no sense because BH here retracts from his tracker claim and in that case he can't possibly know if he was roleblocked or not. Soooo..

/dunked



To be quite honest this is a terrible post. You aren't notified if you are roleblocked. However, if you have a role and use it that would normally give you intel back (tracker for instance) you just dont get a pm of findings, ie you'd know you were blocked because you had 0 findings.


That's rayn his point. BH says he isn't a tracker, but in the same sentence knows that he wasn't RB. How did he know he wasn't RB when he did no night action?


Hi koshi! How are you doing?

why can't you just sheep me like in WC2? BH isn't scum!
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 16:26 GMT
#3156
On November 19 2013 01:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was an indirect lie?


Yamato had me as a town read, not want to kill me. He stopped wanting to off me what? halfway mark of day 1.

Thats an indirect lie as you cherry picked his words to find something he did actually say, but he had also changed his opinion and stated that in game.

Also as a note, you may not have liked my conclusions but go look at his filter from personality 2. He interacts with austin twice day 1 then ignores his team almost fully until town has been so fucked up the asshole he has to talk to his team. You don't like my conclusions is fine, but from a meta stand point it makes perfect sense. Don't like why I think grack could still be scum? Read how mocsta was crafting his messages in personality. Everything was careful and had no real emotion behind it. He looks genuinely pissed at grack on their back and forths. He didnt react that way with anyone else except grack. Why? You may not like my conclusion but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound.

Yeah i agree he did not want you dead at the end of N1. You were one of the people he had accused. That's not a strong point anyways, and i didn't mean it like that.

Can you explain the "Mocsta's scum-meta suggests he does not interact with his scumbuddies, therefore all these people here are town with no other explanation" and right after "but Grackaroni is scum because Moscta talked about him"?

Also can you comment on my analyses on why i think Grackaroni is town and tell me why would Mocsta bus him because what you and BH are suggesting is absurd as hell. Tell me why would Mocsta leave no room other than to bus his teammate on D2 over ~10 other options that definitely do not make him look any worse?


His meta shows he distances himself and almost exclusively talks with town. He tunnels a townie he views as bad (storr). He then does everything else he did this game which is try and not be on radars. I am saying grack is different because of HOW he talked to him. Read personality 2, read this games filter. His interactions with grack are completely different than any other he had. He seems in this game to have a genuine reaction of anger/annoyance/whatever to grack. The guy carefully writes posts. Why would his interactions with 1 player be completely different from everything else his meta suggests? I would say cause he was legit pissed at grack for tunneling the shit out of him. I am reading it off of one specific reaction. Could I be wrong? Yes. However Grack has done basically nothing this game to make me doubt that read of the situation. If mocsta was as pissed as I think he was it would make perfect sense to still dive on grack.

Am i reading this correct. mafia!Mocsta was genuinely pissed off with mafia!Grackaroni for Grack tunneling Mocsta?



its how I'd read it yes. I can say as someone whos done some filter diving that mocsta wasn't really heavily picked up as a potential mafia by many people until after the bit between the two and grack was one of the more vocal people about the push. Could I be wrong? yes, but its completely out of place reaction type. If you don't believe my conclusion the information I used is open to anyone else to analyze.

Well this is maybe the worst case i have ever heard. Sorry.
table for two on a tv tray
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 18 2013 16:28 GMT
#3157
On November 19 2013 01:25 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 01:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was an indirect lie?


Yamato had me as a town read, not want to kill me. He stopped wanting to off me what? halfway mark of day 1.

Thats an indirect lie as you cherry picked his words to find something he did actually say, but he had also changed his opinion and stated that in game.

Also as a note, you may not have liked my conclusions but go look at his filter from personality 2. He interacts with austin twice day 1 then ignores his team almost fully until town has been so fucked up the asshole he has to talk to his team. You don't like my conclusions is fine, but from a meta stand point it makes perfect sense. Don't like why I think grack could still be scum? Read how mocsta was crafting his messages in personality. Everything was careful and had no real emotion behind it. He looks genuinely pissed at grack on their back and forths. He didnt react that way with anyone else except grack. Why? You may not like my conclusion but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound.

Yeah i agree he did not want you dead at the end of N1. You were one of the people he had accused. That's not a strong point anyways, and i didn't mean it like that.

Can you explain the "Mocsta's scum-meta suggests he does not interact with his scumbuddies, therefore all these people here are town with no other explanation" and right after "but Grackaroni is scum because Moscta talked about him"?

Also can you comment on my analyses on why i think Grackaroni is town and tell me why would Mocsta bus him because what you and BH are suggesting is absurd as hell. Tell me why would Mocsta leave no room other than to bus his teammate on D2 over ~10 other options that definitely do not make him look any worse?


His meta shows he distances himself and almost exclusively talks with town. He tunnels a townie he views as bad (storr). He then does everything else he did this game which is try and not be on radars. I am saying grack is different because of HOW he talked to him. Read personality 2, read this games filter. His interactions with grack are completely different than any other he had. He seems in this game to have a genuine reaction of anger/annoyance/whatever to grack. The guy carefully writes posts. Why would his interactions with 1 player be completely different from everything else his meta suggests? I would say cause he was legit pissed at grack for tunneling the shit out of him. I am reading it off of one specific reaction. Could I be wrong? Yes. However Grack has done basically nothing this game to make me doubt that read of the situation. If mocsta was as pissed as I think he was it would make perfect sense to still dive on grack.

Am i reading this correct. mafia!Mocsta was genuinely pissed off with mafia!Grackaroni for Grack tunneling Mocsta?



its how I'd read it yes. I can say as someone whos done some filter diving that mocsta wasn't really heavily picked up as a potential mafia by many people until after the bit between the two and grack was one of the more vocal people about the push. Could I be wrong? yes, but its completely out of place reaction type. If you don't believe my conclusion the information I used is open to anyone else to analyze.

He didn't seem to like Artanis either but you are right that Mocsta actually does seem really angry towards me.


lo grack wtf is this? are you agreeing with BC that you're scum?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
November 18 2013 16:28 GMT
#3158
On November 19 2013 01:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On November 19 2013 01:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was an indirect lie?


Yamato had me as a town read, not want to kill me. He stopped wanting to off me what? halfway mark of day 1.

Thats an indirect lie as you cherry picked his words to find something he did actually say, but he had also changed his opinion and stated that in game.

Also as a note, you may not have liked my conclusions but go look at his filter from personality 2. He interacts with austin twice day 1 then ignores his team almost fully until town has been so fucked up the asshole he has to talk to his team. You don't like my conclusions is fine, but from a meta stand point it makes perfect sense. Don't like why I think grack could still be scum? Read how mocsta was crafting his messages in personality. Everything was careful and had no real emotion behind it. He looks genuinely pissed at grack on their back and forths. He didnt react that way with anyone else except grack. Why? You may not like my conclusion but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound.

Yeah i agree he did not want you dead at the end of N1. You were one of the people he had accused. That's not a strong point anyways, and i didn't mean it like that.

Can you explain the "Mocsta's scum-meta suggests he does not interact with his scumbuddies, therefore all these people here are town with no other explanation" and right after "but Grackaroni is scum because Moscta talked about him"?

Also can you comment on my analyses on why i think Grackaroni is town and tell me why would Mocsta bus him because what you and BH are suggesting is absurd as hell. Tell me why would Mocsta leave no room other than to bus his teammate on D2 over ~10 other options that definitely do not make him look any worse?


His meta shows he distances himself and almost exclusively talks with town. He tunnels a townie he views as bad (storr). He then does everything else he did this game which is try and not be on radars. I am saying grack is different because of HOW he talked to him. Read personality 2, read this games filter. His interactions with grack are completely different than any other he had. He seems in this game to have a genuine reaction of anger/annoyance/whatever to grack. The guy carefully writes posts. Why would his interactions with 1 player be completely different from everything else his meta suggests? I would say cause he was legit pissed at grack for tunneling the shit out of him. I am reading it off of one specific reaction. Could I be wrong? Yes. However Grack has done basically nothing this game to make me doubt that read of the situation. If mocsta was as pissed as I think he was it would make perfect sense to still dive on grack.

Am i reading this correct. mafia!Mocsta was genuinely pissed off with mafia!Grackaroni for Grack tunneling Mocsta?



its how I'd read it yes. I can say as someone whos done some filter diving that mocsta wasn't really heavily picked up as a potential mafia by many people until after the bit between the two and grack was one of the more vocal people about the push. Could I be wrong? yes, but its completely out of place reaction type. If you don't believe my conclusion the information I used is open to anyone else to analyze.

Well this is maybe the worst case i have ever heard. Sorry.


At least mine was honest.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 18 2013 16:29 GMT
#3159
On November 19 2013 01:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
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On November 19 2013 01:20 Koshi wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 18 2013 16:19 Blazinghand wrote:
like i'm kind of amazed people took that seriously. I didn't get RBed or shot so clearly scum didn't believe me so I guess I fucked up that chance to be cool but like come on man you aren't telling me you actually thought that crumb made sense? ._.

Actually this post makes no sense because BH here retracts from his tracker claim and in that case he can't possibly know if he was roleblocked or not. Soooo..

/dunked



To be quite honest this is a terrible post. You aren't notified if you are roleblocked. However, if you have a role and use it that would normally give you intel back (tracker for instance) you just dont get a pm of findings, ie you'd know you were blocked because you had 0 findings.


That's rayn his point. BH says he isn't a tracker, but in the same sentence knows that he wasn't RB. How did he know he wasn't RB when he did no night action?


Hi koshi! How are you doing?

why can't you just sheep me like in WC2? BH isn't scum!

Hey, I am totally willing to lynch BH his scumread on D3 if that is the case. But this is exactly how BH played in both Golden Sun (claimed survivor and N1 survivor got died and BH got lynched) or Hogwarts (claimed medic and didn't do shit).

Also, BH will need to convince us in the thread that he isn't scum. I got a guy Masoning me as well that doesn't speak in the thread. It's annoying.
I had a good night of sleep.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 18 2013 16:29 GMT
#3160
BC are you calling rayn mafia? What's your srs-ness level on this rayn stuff?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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