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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 18 2013 16:30 GMT
#3161
On November 19 2013 01:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im pretty confused BC.

So Mocsta normally types very carefully to his scummates. But he is very angry with Grack this game. Therefore Grack is scum?


He types carefully in general and ignores his teammates. The interaction with grack this game from what I saw in both games filters is completely unique. Its only that reason that it stands out to me.

SO HOW DOES IT MAKE GRACK SCUM????
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 18 2013 16:30 GMT
#3162
I thought you had a meta reason.
But you have no reason. What is this BC.
No gg, No skill.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9855 Posts
November 18 2013 16:30 GMT
#3163
On November 19 2013 01:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 01:25 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was an indirect lie?


Yamato had me as a town read, not want to kill me. He stopped wanting to off me what? halfway mark of day 1.

Thats an indirect lie as you cherry picked his words to find something he did actually say, but he had also changed his opinion and stated that in game.

Also as a note, you may not have liked my conclusions but go look at his filter from personality 2. He interacts with austin twice day 1 then ignores his team almost fully until town has been so fucked up the asshole he has to talk to his team. You don't like my conclusions is fine, but from a meta stand point it makes perfect sense. Don't like why I think grack could still be scum? Read how mocsta was crafting his messages in personality. Everything was careful and had no real emotion behind it. He looks genuinely pissed at grack on their back and forths. He didnt react that way with anyone else except grack. Why? You may not like my conclusion but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound.

Yeah i agree he did not want you dead at the end of N1. You were one of the people he had accused. That's not a strong point anyways, and i didn't mean it like that.

Can you explain the "Mocsta's scum-meta suggests he does not interact with his scumbuddies, therefore all these people here are town with no other explanation" and right after "but Grackaroni is scum because Moscta talked about him"?

Also can you comment on my analyses on why i think Grackaroni is town and tell me why would Mocsta bus him because what you and BH are suggesting is absurd as hell. Tell me why would Mocsta leave no room other than to bus his teammate on D2 over ~10 other options that definitely do not make him look any worse?


His meta shows he distances himself and almost exclusively talks with town. He tunnels a townie he views as bad (storr). He then does everything else he did this game which is try and not be on radars. I am saying grack is different because of HOW he talked to him. Read personality 2, read this games filter. His interactions with grack are completely different than any other he had. He seems in this game to have a genuine reaction of anger/annoyance/whatever to grack. The guy carefully writes posts. Why would his interactions with 1 player be completely different from everything else his meta suggests? I would say cause he was legit pissed at grack for tunneling the shit out of him. I am reading it off of one specific reaction. Could I be wrong? Yes. However Grack has done basically nothing this game to make me doubt that read of the situation. If mocsta was as pissed as I think he was it would make perfect sense to still dive on grack.

Am i reading this correct. mafia!Mocsta was genuinely pissed off with mafia!Grackaroni for Grack tunneling Mocsta?



its how I'd read it yes. I can say as someone whos done some filter diving that mocsta wasn't really heavily picked up as a potential mafia by many people until after the bit between the two and grack was one of the more vocal people about the push. Could I be wrong? yes, but its completely out of place reaction type. If you don't believe my conclusion the information I used is open to anyone else to analyze.

He didn't seem to like Artanis either but you are right that Mocsta actually does seem really angry towards me.


lo grack wtf is this? are you agreeing with BC that you're scum?

I'm actually kind of curious about why he was so angry towards me. I don't think I did anything mean to him this game. Might just be jealous that I saw through his scum play without even trying.
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 18 2013 16:31 GMT
#3164
VOTE COUNT:


Oatsmaster (1): supersoft, Pandain, Thrawn2112

Holyflare (0): raynpelikoneet

Blazinghand (9): Pandain, Grackaroni, Oatsmaster, LoneMeow, raynpelikoneet, Artanis[XP], Koshi, Onegu, Hopeless1der, BloodyC0bbler

Hopeless1der (0): Thrawn2112

Grackaroni (2): Blazinghand, thrawn2112


not voting: A whole lot of people with death wishes


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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 18 2013 16:32 GMT
#3165
On November 19 2013 01:30 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 01:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:25 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was an indirect lie?


Yamato had me as a town read, not want to kill me. He stopped wanting to off me what? halfway mark of day 1.

Thats an indirect lie as you cherry picked his words to find something he did actually say, but he had also changed his opinion and stated that in game.

Also as a note, you may not have liked my conclusions but go look at his filter from personality 2. He interacts with austin twice day 1 then ignores his team almost fully until town has been so fucked up the asshole he has to talk to his team. You don't like my conclusions is fine, but from a meta stand point it makes perfect sense. Don't like why I think grack could still be scum? Read how mocsta was crafting his messages in personality. Everything was careful and had no real emotion behind it. He looks genuinely pissed at grack on their back and forths. He didnt react that way with anyone else except grack. Why? You may not like my conclusion but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound.

Yeah i agree he did not want you dead at the end of N1. You were one of the people he had accused. That's not a strong point anyways, and i didn't mean it like that.

Can you explain the "Mocsta's scum-meta suggests he does not interact with his scumbuddies, therefore all these people here are town with no other explanation" and right after "but Grackaroni is scum because Moscta talked about him"?

Also can you comment on my analyses on why i think Grackaroni is town and tell me why would Mocsta bus him because what you and BH are suggesting is absurd as hell. Tell me why would Mocsta leave no room other than to bus his teammate on D2 over ~10 other options that definitely do not make him look any worse?


His meta shows he distances himself and almost exclusively talks with town. He tunnels a townie he views as bad (storr). He then does everything else he did this game which is try and not be on radars. I am saying grack is different because of HOW he talked to him. Read personality 2, read this games filter. His interactions with grack are completely different than any other he had. He seems in this game to have a genuine reaction of anger/annoyance/whatever to grack. The guy carefully writes posts. Why would his interactions with 1 player be completely different from everything else his meta suggests? I would say cause he was legit pissed at grack for tunneling the shit out of him. I am reading it off of one specific reaction. Could I be wrong? Yes. However Grack has done basically nothing this game to make me doubt that read of the situation. If mocsta was as pissed as I think he was it would make perfect sense to still dive on grack.

Am i reading this correct. mafia!Mocsta was genuinely pissed off with mafia!Grackaroni for Grack tunneling Mocsta?



its how I'd read it yes. I can say as someone whos done some filter diving that mocsta wasn't really heavily picked up as a potential mafia by many people until after the bit between the two and grack was one of the more vocal people about the push. Could I be wrong? yes, but its completely out of place reaction type. If you don't believe my conclusion the information I used is open to anyone else to analyze.

He didn't seem to like Artanis either but you are right that Mocsta actually does seem really angry towards me.


lo grack wtf is this? are you agreeing with BC that you're scum?

I'm actually kind of curious about why he was so angry towards me. I don't think I did anything mean to him this game. Might just be jealous that I saw through his scum play without even trying.

rofl...
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 16:32 GMT
#3166
supersoft how is that filter diving going? It's been quite long time since you started it.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
November 18 2013 16:34 GMT
#3167
On November 19 2013 01:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
I thought you had a meta reason.
But you have no reason. What is this BC.


Simple, meta says he doesnt directly talk to scummates until he has to
Meta says he until that point only interacts with town
Meta also says he keeps his cool and calmly makes posts

His interactions with grack were not calm, or cool. They were extremely heated. Untop of that grack continiously poked at him. That means he'd have to interact with him on some level. His demeanor changed from what you expect to see. IE it wasn't the same style of posting he normally does, this can only change for 2 reasons
He knew grack was scum and pissed
He knew grack was assassin and pissed.

Someone who shows an aptitude for not getting angry suddenly doing so means things have changed and usually because their shell cracked. He was getting pressured by a bunch of people but only 1 made him flip out. Why?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 18 2013 16:45 GMT
#3168
On November 19 2013 01:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 01:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im pretty confused BC.

So Mocsta normally types very carefully to his scummates. But he is very angry with Grack this game. Therefore Grack is scum?


He types carefully in general and ignores his teammates. The interaction with grack this game from what I saw in both games filters is completely unique. Its only that reason that it stands out to me.

SO HOW DOES IT MAKE GRACK SCUM????


oats read gracks filter. what has he done besides not commit to actual scumhunting and resort to trolling whenever people try to get him to commit to scumhunting? ignore mocsta. tbh I agree with BC 100% on his analysis of moc's posts concerning grack and BH has made good points about the possible interactions between moc/grack. but ignore all of that. what is your read on grack when you ignore all of that?

@BC

On November 19 2013 01:29 thrawn2112 wrote:
BC are you calling rayn mafia? What's your srs-ness level on this rayn stuff?

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 18 2013 16:49 GMT
#3169
I see it being WAY more likely that Mocsta just got angry and shit at Grack because Grack was right and he couldnt do anything about it.
As opposed to Mocsta being angry at Grack because Grack was bussing him. Am I the only one that thinks its totally ludicrous?

Thrawn, my read outside the mocsta stuff is that Grack is town.

And that you are scummy for calling Grack scum.
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 16:49 GMT
#3170
Could people (especially thrawn) comment on Blazinghands sQumslip and if you think that's not a scumslip how do you explain it?

If you have no answer you cannot tell people to look into Grack because if Blazinghand is scum Grack is 100% town because he was meant to be scumteams D2 mislynch.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
November 18 2013 16:50 GMT
#3171
On November 19 2013 01:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 01:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im pretty confused BC.

So Mocsta normally types very carefully to his scummates. But he is very angry with Grack this game. Therefore Grack is scum?


He types carefully in general and ignores his teammates. The interaction with grack this game from what I saw in both games filters is completely unique. Its only that reason that it stands out to me.

SO HOW DOES IT MAKE GRACK SCUM????


oats read gracks filter. what has he done besides not commit to actual scumhunting and resort to trolling whenever people try to get him to commit to scumhunting? ignore mocsta. tbh I agree with BC 100% on his analysis of moc's posts concerning grack and BH has made good points about the possible interactions between moc/grack. but ignore all of that. what is your read on grack when you ignore all of that?

@BC

Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 01:29 thrawn2112 wrote:
BC are you calling rayn mafia? What's your srs-ness level on this rayn stuff?



I can see both town and mafia reasons for what hes doing. I was heavily leaning town until he started pushing for claims. If a group of 3 people opted to not out 2 masons they likely had a reason. I also don't like that he lied in his case against me.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 16:51 GMT
#3172
So BC does not want mafia outed. check.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 18 2013 16:52 GMT
#3173
What BC? Can you guess what reasons the people have for not outing masons?
Why is outing masons good for scum and bad for town?

Yeah this is looking worse and worse for BC.
No gg, No skill.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
November 18 2013 16:54 GMT
#3174
On November 19 2013 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So BC does not want mafia outed. check.


Explain how it outs mafia please.

Id agree that sure there are likely scum within the masons however we have

what? 7 or 8 at this point running around/confirmed by death?

How can you confirm that with 2 more names to the pool you have guarenteed mafia?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 16:55 GMT
#3175
On November 19 2013 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
What BC? Can you guess what reasons the people have for not outing masons?
Why is outing masons good for scum and bad for town?

Yeah this is looking worse and worse for BC.

Basically BC should be calling thrawn, Pandain and Lonemeow scum because they have outed masons in thread for no reason.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 18 2013 16:55 GMT
#3176
On November 19 2013 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Could people (especially thrawn) comment on Blazinghands sQumslip and if you think that's not a scumslip how do you explain it?

If you have no answer you cannot tell people to look into Grack because if Blazinghand is scum Grack is 100% town because he was meant to be scumteams D2 mislynch.


what are you talking about? how does that relate to this game?

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 16:56 GMT
#3177
On November 19 2013 01:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So BC does not want mafia outed. check.


Explain how it outs mafia please.

Id agree that sure there are likely scum within the masons however we have

what? 7 or 8 at this point running around/confirmed by death?

How can you confirm that with 2 more names to the pool you have guarenteed mafia?

If VE gives me a certain name there is a pool of 3 people where there is 2 scum guaranteed. Of course this is not certain as i can't know what name he gives me but given what has been going on in this game i am pretty sure he will give just that name.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 16:57 GMT
#3178
On November 19 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 16:19 Blazinghand wrote:
like i'm kind of amazed people took that seriously. I didn't get RBed or shot so clearly scum didn't believe me so I guess I fucked up that chance to be cool but like come on man you aren't telling me you actually thought that crumb made sense? ._.

Actually this post makes no sense because BH here retracts from his tracker claim and in that case he can't possibly know if he was roleblocked or not. Soooo..

/dunked

Thrawn answer this post immediately. You are not allowed to call Grack scum until you debunk this argument.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
November 18 2013 16:57 GMT
#3179
On November 19 2013 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
What BC? Can you guess what reasons the people have for not outing masons?
Why is outing masons good for scum and bad for town?

Yeah this is looking worse and worse for BC.



How? this setup is completely different than normal. masons can also have roles according to the OP. We just lost 4 blues in one day. You are opening up to a) lose more and b) fuck the game over with clear the masons.

Ive played that game before. It goes extremely fucking badly. You end up centering on people purely for a role and attempt to lynch/vig into a group properly and if you fail you end up offing town.

If there is some foolproof plan involved let everyone hear it. If hes asking for claims he should be upfront about why.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 18 2013 16:57 GMT
#3180
On November 19 2013 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 01:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So BC does not want mafia outed. check.


Explain how it outs mafia please.

Id agree that sure there are likely scum within the masons however we have

what? 7 or 8 at this point running around/confirmed by death?

How can you confirm that with 2 more names to the pool you have guarenteed mafia?

If VE gives me a certain name there is a pool of 3 people where there is 2 scum guaranteed. Of course this is not certain as i can't know what name he gives me but given what has been going on in this game i am pretty sure he will give just that name.

are these names magic? This is a normal game, how can you guarantee scum based on setup? Rayne this is ludicrous and needs to stop.
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