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On November 04 2013 08:53 Sylencia wrote: So to anyone who was in the original game, other than our usual win-con, what else should we be looking at in terms of how Witchcraft works? what's your wincon baby? | ||
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OH lol and rayn ofc | ||
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On November 04 2013 11:14 ObviousOne wrote: I'm sort of surprised I wasn't the target of his concern if he really wanted to get down to business. Can you refer me to what you're referring to? ##unvote hello rayn | ||
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On November 04 2013 11:37 ObviousOne wrote: The absence of goofing around? Or what? uhh I think I'm trying to ask why you instinctively thought that you would be whoever's "target of concern." | ||
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On November 04 2013 11:44 ObviousOne wrote: You think you are, or you are? Change the operative word to "could" for your answer btw. based on how much this post (temporarily ofc  ) pissed me off I'm no longer worried about you or interested in our conversationThis vanesco thing, I could hardly be less interested in any of the arguments against him. I AM interested in WoS's post and want him to get back to me before the magic wears off. WoS in addition to my earlier question I have another for you. Assume your scum-o-meter is like one of those strongman games where you have to use a hammer to smash the thing to ring the bell. When you read Umasi's original case and considered Vanesco's scumminess, did your bell ring? Was it a stunning note of clarity or did the slide not even make it halfway to the bell? | ||
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PSA: it is Nov 04 2013 which means I'm wearing a special hat for special people so I will likely NOT be sober at any given moment over the next 24-ish hrs I don't see anything blatantly scummy atm, but I do want to throw this list out there: rayn WoS Sylencia OO Vanesco Umasi if you aren't on this list then that means you either haven't posted, or you haven't posted anything memorable and as such you will be who I focus on first upon returning to the thread. | ||
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how's it goin? no, not even thinking about lynching yet. but i'm glad you brought it (lurker lynching) up what do you think about the drama? is it real drama or is it "real" drama? or just distracting and annoying? | ||
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On November 04 2013 20:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn did WoS' answers to you please you? yes and rayn... why have you been talking about weird shit all game | ||
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On November 04 2013 17:56 EchelonTee wrote: Oh Thrawn, can you tell me what you think of Syl since you've played with him before? I don't think I've ever played with mafia syl. As town he's lurky and people always want to lynch him even though they know better. As for this game I'm not worried abotu him atm. WOS: what do you think about the entrances of gumshoe and sn0_man | ||
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On November 05 2013 08:15 Cephiro wrote: Not a silly vote, most serious in fact. I very much liked some of the points gumshoe pointed out, even if targeting WoS wasn't his main aim of the case. I also have secondary reasons for voting WoS. And thank you for the welcome. well if you plan on staying this course then I might have to fight you later but for now I'd rather WoS manage it | ||
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On November 05 2013 08:19 Cephiro wrote: That's reasonable. What's your opinion of ET? Eh, not sure yet. I just recently realized that I played with him in Looney Lynching, but that was a long time ago and I think he was killed early on. It's been hard for me to judge his play because I can't ever remember what he talks about. That is understandable as the game's only lasted 24 hours so I'm withholding judgement on him because I really have no clue at this point. In my notes all I've written about him is "need more to decide." If I had to guess I'd say he's town because his posts seem direct and honest. short version = town points for tone, null points for content | ||
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On November 05 2013 08:43 Cephiro wrote: I was simply curious of your opinion about ET. Even though I cannot be sure it's from a town point of view, it still helps to hear perspectives of others as well, to ensure one is not too tunneled with their own opinion, whether it's about thinking someone is town or scum. Even though a certain confidence in one's reads is a must. Ok. So what are your thoughts on this game? You've just now made your first post, but it's somewhat devoid of content which is surprising since you already know who you want to vote for. You've discussed some things with me without really talking about your own views on the game. So far, despite you making a serious vote and having a serious conversation with me about another player, I still have no clue how you're thinking about the game. Why is this and can you fix it? | ||
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On November 05 2013 08:49 hzflank wrote: When I read him earlier, his tone was very fun. His attitude was casual, dare I say he seemed to be enjoying the game. At times you might think he has a idgaf attitude, but then he makes a few posts and you reseal that he is in fact invested in the current game. This is almost exactly what I've been thinking. Don't all of these things hint of green and not red? How do you reconcile his general townie behavior with the things you think he's done that are scummy? | ||
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On November 05 2013 09:05 Cephiro wrote: Yes, I didn't intend to start off with a case, neither reason my vote on WoS more specificly. If there is someone you want my general or specific opinion on, just ask. I have several reads to a direction or another, as well as many nullreads. I just don't consider most of them to be worth sharing right now. Nevertheless I'm content with joining in like this, and I intend to make my thought process clear regarding my reads to the most extent, excluding possible thingamagics I have a tendency of pulling off. As for a more concise reply: It is because I wanted to not present all my thoughts in the open immediately. I can "fix" it by replying to any queries you might have. I will also be sharing more content when I find it necessary. hmmm can't really fault you for this as it's pretty close to how I'm feeling about this game ##Vote:Raynpelikoneet lol rayn i'd much prefer our constant bickering from last game over our interactions in this one | ||
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On November 05 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Random question---thrawn, who is scum? A lot of poking/prodding from you but no conclusions. not me I'll lay out just about everything I'm thinking. Note that I'm gonna do this WITHOUT going back and rereading filters, so what you're getting is whatever I can remember right now. Poking/prodding is all I've got right now. My only conclusive reads are town reads. In my notes I've got you, OO, Vanesco, hzflank, sn0, ET, Cephiro, and Syl crossed off as the people I'm not worried about, and that list is in order starting with who I'm least concerned with. Note that not everyone in that list is a town read, there is room for nulls or maybe even slightly scummy people who for various reasons I want to give some more time. The people not on that list are: gumshoe, Umasi, onegu, and rayn. gumshoe- came in with long posts that I honestly haven't read completely yet. the only thing I can remember about them is that I thought his targets were awful Umasi- I haven't paid attention to anything he's said after the start of the game, I tuned out while reading his early post about Vanesco and haven't paid him any attention since so I don't really know what that guy's about. I remember reading someone talking about how his opinions on Vanesco haven't accounted for new evidence so that is worrying. onegu- not a single thing comes to mind -rayn - I want to fucking lynch this guy because I know he's capable of doing so much more. I'm not talking about quantity of posts. That's about it. I don't really have "scumreads" yet but I'm confident about my townreads and I have a pretty good idea of who I want to talk to | ||
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On November 05 2013 09:35 hzflank wrote: Thrawn, can you go into detail on your ET read? What has he done to put you at ease? Like I said earlier, he gets town points for tone and null points for content. I don't think any of the specific things he's said are very alignment indicative but he is direct and what I perceive as open with his thoughts. | ||
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On November 05 2013 09:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean two of his reads are "i have not read their posts". And two of them are "they have not done anything". well that's as much reasoning i have given at this point for someone being scum (which is nothing). At least i do not have 4 targets, only one atm. I will be playing the game, i will tell you who is scum. I don't know yet for sure about who is scum. thrawn were you serious when you said you don't remember Sylencia playing scum? so srs | ||
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On November 05 2013 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Your D1 feels pretty similar to mine in this regard; I don't usually have strong scumreads D1 though this game is proving an exception since there are a lot more people jumping out at me (double entendre!) than usual. You should read gumshoe's posts. I wouldn't mind hearing what you think about him. (I also would actually like him to comment on my defenses of his 'fake-but-not-really' case on me outside of the reactions that others gave him at some point. ) I follow your thought process but I want to make note of something here. I have a bad feeling (and I can't exactly mention why I think this) that Rayn is not going to actively be playing this game, and as such will essentially be passively pushing us to policy lynch him, as some people are basically doing at the moment. I would also like the mention that whether this is the case or not, I probably won't be voting for him today because I would at least like to give him the benefit of the doubt. I am certainly confident in my ability to find people scummier than him today. Onegu/Sn0 and now maybe Umasi fit the bill for me atm. I have no idea wtf Cephiro is thinking right now but I don't...think...he's scum? Usually I start games off by making myself the center of attention but I didn't do that here because 1) there aren't enough people who are familiar with my town play who could bail me out if things go wrong and 2) I think people are mostly annoyed when I do that. Becoming the center of attention usually gives me something to work with, it's very easy to find scum when half the thread is accusing you. Without that tool I'm admittedly a little lost, or maybe bored is the better word. I wanted to roll mafia this game because I roll town something close to 95% (no joke) of the time, so after getting town yet again I became even less interested... add to that how I hardly know anyone on the player list and you should be able to understand my current attitude. I agree with you about Cephero. His entrance was a little awkward but he gave me a straight up answer so I'm cool with him for now. On November 05 2013 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cephiro looks town to me. thrawn i find that hard to believe because the last game you played here Sylencia was scum in.. lol do you really? I'm not convinced you care at all. Are you wanting to make it an issue or are you only here to make passive accusations? | ||
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There's a good chance that I'm going to buddy you all game. That shouldn't be a big deal cuz we are both obv town right? confirmed town circle now accepting applications | ||
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Do you think that town rayn is likely to display the apathy he's showing if he truly thought he'd caught me lying? He hasn't done a single thing this game that's made me think he's town and the way he's passively gone after me all game does not match up to what I remember him doing the last time a town rayn thought I was mafia. Why will you not vote him D1? If you think he's going to be lazy this game why do you want to keep him around? WoS my town circle posts were pretty sarcastic although they accurately describe my reads. | ||
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On November 05 2013 10:43 ObviousOne wrote: The scum Rayn I remember would be more likely to push for your lynch in some way than what I'm seeing here, considering his opinion from my interpretation of the game state is an unpopular one. You could pin him for not really thinking about the game or participating very much but it's early and from what I'm seeing he's not going out of his way to interact with his scum buddies in the thread which is another thing I expect of scum Rayn. Basically his apathy right now, for D1, and I'll have to reformulate my opinion about him later, is that he's more likely town than scum. Unless his partners are in the inactives and shit but again that's a problem for later. So you're saying that his play here doesn't look like his scum play? I have been saying that this doesn't look like town rayn and I think both of us are right. So throw all the meta out the window and judge his play based on this game only, you still think he's townie? | ||
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On November 05 2013 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote: What did he catch you lying at? earlier I said I dont remember ever playing with Syl when apparently he was scum in the most recent game I played lol On November 05 2013 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote: First of all, when was the last time you've played with Rayn? I'm not a huge fan of people using a heavy meta basis for their reads on someone, especially when they haven't played with said person in a long time. Rayn has been making a conscious effort not to spam thread anymore in his town games. The passive way he's going after people right now doesn't seem that much different from the poking and prodding you've done thus far, the only difference is yes, I am used to rayn being a lot more active and useful than this even in his 'reduced-spam' state. Desert mini, he was a pain in my ass all game long I just looked at Onegu and I'm not seeing it. I can tell you why I think he's town but I'd rather have you tell me why he's not. | ||
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On November 05 2013 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote: What did he catch you lying at? earlier I said I dont remember ever playing with scum Syl when apparently he was scum in the most recent game I played lol On November 05 2013 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote: First of all, when was the last time you've played with Rayn? I'm not a huge fan of people using a heavy meta basis for their reads on someone, especially when they haven't played with said person in a long time. Rayn has been making a conscious effort not to spam thread anymore in his town games. The passive way he's going after people right now doesn't seem that much different from the poking and prodding you've done thus far, the only difference is yes, I am used to rayn being a lot more active and useful than this even in his 'reduced-spam' state. Desert mini, he was a pain in my ass all game long I just looked at Onegu and I'm not seeing it. I can tell you why I think he's town but I'd rather have you tell me why he's not.[/QUOTE] | ||
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On November 05 2013 11:18 Cephiro wrote: Even if you think that you should read it even for the 10%. I admit there may be points (especially later on the case), where I am simply so sure in my read that they are a bit biased. If you honestly think WoS is not scum and my case is horrible, then point it out. That's why I posted it. I want people to look at it and see my reasoning why I think WoS is scum. If you agree, great, let's lynch WoS and hope that I'm right. Ceph the real reason I don't want to read the case is because it's simply too long, and at a glance it looks like one of those filter-dive cases that could be made against anyone. Everything looks scummy if you present it the right way so a big list on inconsistencies or whatever doesn't do much to persuade me because honestly I could probably whip up a similarly sized case against anyone if I felt like it. I did sorta skim the case and one thing that caught my eye was... "Scum is under constant pressure, scum is also more likely to be inconsistent" I don't know this to be true. In fact I can think of at least two players known for not always having their facts straight as town and both of them are hosting this game. Hapa misreading something or getting his facts 100% incorrect is a staple of his town play. BH has been known to disregard reality and try to get his confirmed town mason partner lynched. Town people forget and misremember things all the time, in fact I suspect that some paranoid mafia players keep track of their statements better than a carefree town player who feels no guilt at all. That is just one example of why your case doesn't appeal to me.. I don't really agree that certain things are scumreads. I think WoS is pretty obviously town based on how easy it is for him to post. Ask him a question and he has no problem giving you a well explained, seemingly emotionally genuine answer within a reasonable amount of time. | ||
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NOT ONLY do I not accept that scum are more likely to be inconsistent, I wouldn't be surprised if the complete opposite is true. Have you never missed a math question, have you never forgotten anything? Why would you expect someone who rolls town in an online forum game of mafia to be perfect? Townies aren't the ones who are constantly wondering if their story adds up, mafia are. You can point out as many inconsistencies in WoS's play as you like and I will never listen to you unless you can show me how the inconsistencies are specifically scum-motivated. You need to show a clear mafia agenda behind the fuck-ups, otherwise you've just gone and pointed out a bunch of things that can probably be found in every single filter in every mafia game. The other reason of why I don't like your case is because of the strong town vibes I feel while reading WoS's posts. I sense nothing fake/reserved/malicious/secretive about them. | ||
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On November 05 2013 11:57 ObviousOne wrote: That was for Rayn, right? I'm hoping he'll come around and take up my offer, the olive branch I extended for a couple more scum reads ASAP. Somehow he has it in his head that activity == time in the thread and it's just not the whole pizza. correct he's been posting things I agree with. for now I'm going to wait and see who he wants to lynch | ||
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On November 05 2013 13:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright let's play a game. It's called, 'What are people's reads on Syl?' When I get 3-4 answers I will explain my own and why. Bonus points to hzflank if he is one of them. Umasi too. Also Rayn. haha that syl vote for ET is a doozy aint it | ||
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On November 05 2013 17:32 EchelonTee wrote: respond to my case. since you yourself stated that you prefer to be the center of attention. The list: I was not making a list of who isn't lurking with the promise to attack lurkers. I wasn't even making a list of anti-lurkers. I was making a list of anyone who (including lurkers, obviously) wasn't committing to conversation. So the people not on the list includes both lurkers and people like yourself, who at the time I didn't feel like they'd done anything meaningful. The list even included some people who were borderline lurking but at least had made some type of impression on me. The only purpose of such a list is to hopefully intimidate people not on the list to dip their toes farther into the water. Rayn vote: If you've really gone through my town games like you appear to then you should see my rayn vote is very much like something I'd do. And you're wrong, I do give my reasoning and I do not regret having my vote on rayn. I think if you read all of my posts about rayn then you can see a clear progression of my read. Everything else: Sorry I just don't take the game seriously 100% of the time, especially when I'm bored. LOL btw I looked at one of my cases you linked as evidence of how I can write a serious case, and one of my points against prom was that he wasn't being my friend. That whole post was kinda trollish, I'm kinda wondering why you used that as an example because there are probably a lot better ones to pick from. With you claiming to have done meta research on me yet you can't see my rayn vote coming from a town thrawn makes me think you went looking into my meta already knowing the outcome of your results. | ||
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On November 05 2013 17:48 EchelonTee wrote: but I still have no idea who Thrawn thinks is scum. yeah me too | ||
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On November 05 2013 17:52 EchelonTee wrote: You said you would focus on them, but I don't see any focus on you. I did not do intensive meta research. I skimmed your posts, but did not skim rayn's posts. If I missed some huge, obvious interaction that shows that you must be town and rayn believes so, I could back off for now. There might've been better examples but I'm not going to spend hours poring over your meta. I picked the first example I saw that looked like a real case. I don't see you making any real cases and your excuse is that you're bored. I don't know the point of trying harder if it's clear that you don't really care and are too bored to play. If you think I am scum, please state so instead of lightly insinuating it. I'd like to know who you want to lynch, if you're not too bored to say something of use. Saying I will focus on someone does not mean I will write reports of all my findings. It only means as much as that I'm most interested in reading their upcoming posts, more than people that were on the list. It's the very last game rayn and I played together which is desert mini. I would not be surprised if he had triple-digit # of posts about me before D2 had finished. And yeah it sucks but you're gonna have to wait even longer to know who I want to lynch becuase up till a few posts ago it was starting to become you, but now I feel like you're genuinely frustrated and maybe town so I'm gonna look elsewhere first | ||
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On November 06 2013 02:36 Sn0_Man wrote: Besides what townie ever self votes except in frustration? dude it happens like every game | ||
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I'm not gonna vote for Onegu, and I was planning on not voting for Sn0 but I'm less sure of that now. Every candidate apart from the 3 I've mentioned here have no more than 1 vote each so..... meh | ||
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On November 06 2013 03:22 Sn0_Man wrote: I wish people would actually read page 16 iunno. OO "develops" a scum read on me when I point out that he over-justifies himself and is incredibly worried about his in-thread image, then simply shouts from the rooftops that I'm scum. If you read the interaction, I press a few of OO's buttons and he CANT let it go, as if any hint that he might not be the purest of town is a travesty that must be crushed. It still doesn't add up to me. Not much later, Thrawn points out that all OO's points imply I'm town, something to which there has yet to be any refutation, but somehow im still on everybody's scum radar because I cant post 24hrs a day and OO can say "Sn0 scum" every other post. what are you talking about? | ||
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On November 06 2013 03:31 EchelonTee wrote: I have seen scum self-martyr (that nuke game? forgot the name, where gonzaw owned VE and BH with nukes), I think one of my scum-mates in that game was super fucking scummy but people said "oh mafia wouldn't completely give up" or something like that. However I don't see a parallel with "don't give me towncred" and "kill me guys, I'm better dead". Those two things seem completely different in terms of scale. I just don't get why he would give up though. He only had like 2 votes on him when he self-voted. It's just so weird. .................................now that I think about it more, a scum Onegu that is legitimately in the hospital and has no time to vote; parking the vote on self seems like a decent way to avoid making up a case. but why wouldnt he just random vote? Yes, scum can martyr but don't town do it way more often? another reason I have to believe Onegu is because of the way he spilled all his reads right before his vote. | ||
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On November 06 2013 03:46 EchelonTee wrote: I guess we're not killing sn0 today still mulling over cephiro's post. I have it firmly ingrained in my mind that no-lynches are bad, still thinking about it though I'm not completely over it, I just need to be convinced. Also I don't really think ceph is mafia | ||
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On November 06 2013 03:51 Sn0_Man wrote: PS of course we aren't lynching me I've A) never rolled scum is this true? if so there's probably no way I'm lynching sn0 today... lol sorry ET | ||
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There was one time earlier in the game where he made me think "wtf?" while we were talking about sn0: On November 05 2013 08:49 hzflank wrote: When I read him earlier, his tone was very fun. His attitude was casual, dare I say he seemed to be enjoying the game. At times you might think he has a idgaf attitude, but then he makes a few posts and you reseal that he is in fact invested in the current game. On November 05 2013 09:13 hzflank wrote: For the time being, I ignore how he posts and focus on what he posts. He hides behind how he posts, and when he posts more content he will be easier to read. The context of this is that hzflank was calling sn0 scum, I disagreed. I asked hz to characterize sn0's play, and he characterized it EXACTLY how I would have done, basically agreeing with me that sn0's general attidue and posting style strongly suggests that he's town. Yet when I asked hzflank how he reconciles this with his sn0 scum read he responded by basically saying he's ignoring all the townie things about sn0, that sn0 is just hiding behind what appears to be extremely stereotypical casual "idgaf" townie behavior. I'd expected him to at least reconsider his postion but the fact that he didn't do so is odd. Other than that I don't have much, except I don't like how on pg2 of his filter he wrote up a decently sized post calling sylencia "probably scum" but it doesn't look like he's interested in thinking about a syl lynch or that he cares to convince anyone of syl's scumminess. And he doesn't talk about syl anymore after that which I think is weird considering how he calls syl "probably scum." thoughts? also who is gonna be around for the lynch? Umasi.... it's time to reconsider. Many of the people who are going to be around to make a lynch happen aren't people who are considering voting for ET. | ||
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On November 06 2013 04:58 Sn0_Man wrote: here why? lol idk apparently we are playing mafia? and supposedly there is an instant majority lynch deadline coming up soon? both of these assumptions lead me to believe that now is a time for urgency | ||
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6) gumshoe 8) Umasi (idk) 11) hzflank 13) raynpelikoneet (town?) my bet is on lotsss of scum in this group. most unsure about rayn, followed by umasi I came to this list mostly by PoE, and it amuses me to no end how with the exception of Umasi none of the people on that list are around to help secure a lynch | ||
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On November 06 2013 05:21 Sn0_Man wrote: What about cephiro thrawn? I read Syl and he seemed genuine, nothing that would make me think he's scum. He isn't right about ET I don't think but that certainly isn't a scumtell. Don't know. Actually fuck I just remembered his no-lynch plan. Yeah it's scum favored but I'm not sure that he would be so direct about trying to push a no-lynch, so my first thought after reading that was kinda like "meh, weird but probably town." BUT he's disappeared since which does look pretty bad. The problem is that if he's a townie who wants a no-lynch he's probably gonna look a lot like a scum who wants a no-lynch. in other words he should get in here and clarify his position | ||
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On November 06 2013 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh god you people are dumb. there is nothing wrong with my case and ET answered about none of ot.. what do you think about hzflank and sylencia ET has put more effort into solving this lynch than most | ||
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On November 06 2013 06:40 hzflank wrote: But on the other hand I guarantee you that there are some people who are present but lurking, since it is deadline time and majority lynch. So there are some people who are present but will just casually go through with my lynch. They'll probably move their votes soon, too. right now your best chance of living is to explain why you want sylencia to die | ||
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On November 06 2013 06:51 gumshoe wrote: Yeah I still wanna lynch Onegu, his play just doesnt make sense from a trying townie perspective. but No lynches kinda suck. ##Unvote ##Vote HZ LOL how long have you been lurking | ||
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On November 06 2013 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: so why are we lynching hzflank over gumshoe? lol i'm not ##unvote ##vote:gumshoe | ||
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On November 06 2013 06:53 gumshoe wrote: Like ages, been working on a case but it wont be done before lynch. And no lynch but Hz is happening T_T quick quick who is the case on? onegu? give us a tldr version | ||
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On November 06 2013 06:59 gumshoe wrote: 0_0 I dont think I've ever said that. You come into this game angry with an exceptionally low opinion of me. Your case against me was charged with emotion so I never bothered addressing it. Man I dont have any reason to think your scum, but theres more than enough evidence to prove that your being a dick. pretend ur about to get lynched what are your last words for town? | ||
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On November 06 2013 07:04 Sn0_Man wrote: Lets hope hzflank DOES SOMETHING TODAY. Also I'm back to my pre-game comments. This setup's wildly scum favoured lol. I really doubt he's mafia On November 06 2013 07:03 hzflank wrote: I'm sorry, but I cannot stop laughing at how that went down. Sorry Gum. that's something a townie posts in thread, scum would post that in the scum qt | ||
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On November 06 2013 07:06 Cephiro wrote: .... Yeah. Call me stupid for not stubbornly going against the majority. Well, at least I showed fellow town I'm ready to co-operate even if I don't completely agree on something. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing to be honest. Also I'm gonna go sleep right now to get my rhythm fixed, I'm tired. I'll respond all the "lolcephhammer" -accusations that will surely come in the morning. Yeah, you wanted no-lynch, I don't think thats preferable to mislynching. The possibilty of an extra blue isn't worth 1 town KP imo. You tried to derail the thread at a critical time by suggesting we no lynch, which is exactly the worst thing that could have happened, then you disappear until it's time to consolidate and you play it off as "oh, if you guys WANT me to, I GUESS I'll vote gumshoe if I HAVE to." As soon as I saw that you were voting for gumshoe I immediately thought he wasn't that likely to flip scum. Did you really want a no-lynch? Why didn't you let it happen? | ||
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I'm gonna be spending some time looking at Syl because I'm intrigued by what hzflank said about how while syl was devoting lots of time to calling out ceph, "Syl never played as if he thought that Ceph was scum, therefore what Syl wrote about Ceph was fake." | ||
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Why are you focused on the fact that I'm bringing it up now instead of what it means about syl? You could at least comment on it rather than completely disregarding the point by trying to discredit me. | ||
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On November 06 2013 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am focused on the fact that you bring it up now for two reasons (which i think i told already - i think that's what you are asking - if not, please clarify): (1) When the issue could have been important you did not bring it up. Instead you voted for the guy who did infact bring it up in the first place. That's odd imo. (2) I do not think what hz brought up means anything, because i felt like syl - ceph cleared the issue up to some extent in thread, and havn't talked since. It's a null tell for Sylencia. 1) I did not say so at the time but part of what initially made me hesitant about hzflank WAS what he said about Sylencia. Had he not said anything and not given a coherent argument I might have still lynched him. Also, expecting me to have already examined a 20 hr old post is weird. Do you expect me to follow up and do research into every single post and make an issue over everything that happens? No, I don't think that's rational which is sorta making me suspect that you're trying to deflect what I'm bringing up by discrediting how I brought it up. 2) I don't remember what you're referring to but I don't know how much it even matters. If Syl is scum and Ceph is town, Syl and Ceph reaching any kind of truce doesn't really influence what I think about Syl's earlier actions. Also, I just read Syl's filter and don't see anything that clears up the specific issue of "Why is syl discrediting Ceph while not acting as if he thinks Ceph is mafia." If you can show me that then I *might* be able to accept your null read but as it is you're being pretty dodgy about this. | ||
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Rayn there are probably hundreds of posts that I didn't like when I read them the first time but the reality is that you're not gonna dive into every single post. The truth is that until hzflank restated his case before the lynch I had completely forgotten his points, or what's more likely is that I wasn't paying attention the first time. What irks me is that this is such a nitpicky issue that you've decided to invest your time into so wtf are you doing? What are your conclusions from this conversation? | ||
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On November 01 2013 00:03 ObviousOne wrote: I am going to try something new this game. Please sign up. Can you explain what this is? Have you been doing whatever it is? | ||
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On November 06 2013 11:09 Vanesco wrote: Ok I'm back now and have caught up on the latest happenings. I find it very disturbing that all of the votes that are put on gumshoe happen within the timespan of only the last 10 minutes of the day. This seems like a rushed decision and in all of the chaos I would assume that there was probably at least 1 mafia in there. Before the voting spree there were no votes on gumshoe, however hzflank was starting to gain traction with a total of 6 votes at that moment. Just one vote away from being a majority vote, thrawn decides to unvote and vote for gumshoes. thrawn is also the one to start the votes on hz and claims it to just be a placeholder. However his change right when hz is about to get the majority vote is interesting. It seems to be a deflection and since gumshoe hasn't been super active during the game he would be a good target. Also the last person to vote on hz was infact gumshoe. It seems like it is a possibility that thrawn saw an opportunity to take off on gumshoe because of his late vote and him being a good target that people might be willing to go for. It seems like thrawn is trying to deflect off of hz and onto gumshoe in my opinion. It just seems like too much of a coincidence to not at least take into account. Basically after that rayn, hz, umasi, echelon, sno, and cephiro kinda just jump on without stating a reason why (very little time so kinda understandable). Now that you don't only have 5 minutes to explain your vote, I would like to hear all of you (everybody who voted on him) why you decided to vote on gumshoe. I don't know what you're accusing me of. Yeah, I was the first person on both wagons. So what? Are you saying I tried to save hzflank by switching to gumshoe? This only makes sense if hz is mafia, but then why would I have even tried to get hz lynched in the first place? I voted for gumshoe because I changed my mind about hz after seeing what looked like honest posts right before the deadline. Gumshoe also came in at a hilariously bad timing, and he was sorta the only person that it looked like people would agree to lynch. You need to understand that I don't think that many people actually preferred gumshoe, but because people like yourself weren't there to help us figure out the lynch we had to choose between shitty options. Right at the end there it was either hz, gum, or no lynch. If you think we should have done a better job maybe you'll be around next time to help? | ||
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On November 06 2013 11:33 Vanesco wrote: You don't really end up voting for him because you really think he is scum. You even say that you use him as a placeholder and afterwards you explain your read on him here but even in that case you say that you are hesitant on him. It's alright to change ones mind, I'm just pointing out that it happened at a very crucial time and seems very much like a possible coincidence. And are you attacking me? I gave previous reasons as to why I would not be available well in advance. Correct, when I voted for him I did not think he was scum, as I stated in the vote post. At that point in the game I was using process of elimination to decide on a lynch and hzflank was one of the people I ruled out. I went and researched his filter, and it turned out there were things in his filter that made me actually want to lynch him which is why I stuck with my vote and tried to convince others to go along with it. And yes I was attacking you, not because I think you're scum (which I don't) but because it's really fucking annoying to be in the thread for like 4 solid hours before the lynch deadline desperately trying to put together a lynch when hardly anyone is around, and then later people who weren't around to help blame the people who were there. | ||
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On November 06 2013 12:10 WaveofShadow wrote: I posit that you have no right at all to be pissed off about the outcome of today's lynch and it is all a big show to deflect the blame. I expect at some point for other people to read our exchange and comment on it, but as it stands Rayn will be my target for tomorrow. This is really the only part of the argument that I followed and I agree with it, especially with rayn starting off D1 deliberately being useless. | ||
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The only reason I gave rayn a pass initially is because he started playing the game, but those are pretty low standards to hold him to. ET will hate me for this but I don't see how rayn could still see ET as scum at this stage in the game. That tunnel is looking more forced as it's continued over into N1. (btw rayn, nobody needs to respond to your case on ET because you should be able to figure it out for yourself) Also go look at the argument I had with rayn about Syl, can you figure out exactly wtf his motives were during that conversation? He appeared to have absolutely no interest in what hzflank said about Syl, instead choosing to make the issue entirely about how I've waited until now to bring up a point made a day ago? Is that even a legitimate concern? The argument kinda fizzled out with, from what I could tell, rayn not having reached any conclusions about my alignment. So I can't figure out what his issue was other than he wanted to discredit me. Yes, I think I will be joining you on the rayn-train tomorrow. | ||
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SO WoS what do you think about sylencia and obviousone? I think obviousone started out ok but he's not kept it up, and his latest contribution wasn't really a contribution, he just threw some names out (ceph/et) for other people to pick up on. I asked him to give his opinion on what happened during the lynch and that's the best he can come up with? Apart from that group (syl/OO/rayn) there's nobody I can see being mafia, save maybe Onegu and I don't feel like looking into him will be all that useful until after he returns from afk-land. Eh, there is also Umasi but I felt OK about his play in the hours leading up to the lynch. | ||
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Is Ceph scum? lol fuck if I know. Do you think that as scum he would have popped up last minute to push a mislynch through if his plan the whole time was to cause a no lynch? Here's what I got written down about Ceph (actual quotes from my notes are in quotes) "...... + for confidence and truthfulness" (this refers to his starting posts. he was being weird and I called him out for it and imo he was pretty straight up with me) "wow tryhard megapost.. and + for pleading at the end of it" (obviously referring to all the posts about WoS. I talked to him about that case and I never felt any maliciousness behind it) "hella awkward nolynch push and gum vote but why would scum be that awkward?" (referring to what I mentioned after the lynch and in the paragraph above these notes) so probably not? | ||
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On November 06 2013 13:47 ObviousOne wrote: I'm on page 27 of the re-read. Right now I'm seeing that there's still no call for consolidation and people are still generating "cases" and voting their scum reads. Lots of echoes that Sn0 is scummy, and after WoS takes a stand that he's not voting Sn0 it seems like Sn0 completely fell off the table. I guess it's possible that it's because Sn0 showed up not that long after I went to sleep. Anyway, there's definitely a power vacuum going on by page 27, nobody is taking control temporarily to get things on track for an effective lynch. You can decide for yourself who you think those players might be in your own opinion; I probably would have continued repeating myself regarding Sn0 because I didn't see anything in his filter regarding why exactly I'm scum. We basically let him get away with being a lazy fuck. After your reread I'd like to talk to you about anything interesting that came up during your read-through and about sn0 or whoever else your top pick for scum may be. | ||
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Anyways, I'm not sure what conclusion you're going for with all of this so as soon as you reach one and want some feedback let me know. | ||
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On November 06 2013 14:26 ObviousOne wrote: God I really want to lynch ET right now. I don't think I buy this at all... refer to my above post and get back to me. If you want to call ET scum then go ahead and do it instead of posting a quote here, a snide comment there. | ||
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On November 06 2013 14:28 ObviousOne wrote: you can't tell me what to do you're not my real dad yeah ok we can do it this way which ends up with me pushing your lynch over everything else D2 or we can actually play mafia? | ||
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OO go ahead and finish. I also want to know what you currently think about sn0man. (also it would be a lot better if you could consolidate your posting instead of making a post for each single point of information) | ||
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starting point >>> ceph is the most nervous about the lynch -cephiro was apprehensive -maybe he's apprehensive becuase he's waiting for his team to green light gum's death -there's probably 2 scumbuddies causing all of sn0's apprehension -therefore all 3 scum are talking about the gumshoe lynch in the scum qt as it's going down -since all 3 scum are around for the lynch they must have all voted gumshoe at some point conclusion>>> 3 scum were on the mislynch That is absolutely terribad, are you really trying to sell me on this? You're making assumptions each step of the way, assumptions that need only be made if you're trying to justify your conclusion about who the 3 scum are. | ||
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On November 06 2013 15:48 ObviousOne wrote: You gotta wear your pants just right. Left leg draped over the right shoulder, right leg wrapped around like a turban. Trust me. lol you remind me of scum dandeIon | ||
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On November 06 2013 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: i again remember why i did say what i did in ##'s game. lol this is hilarious. what do you make of ObviousOne's recent posts Btw i've just noticed that I always think you're scum until you jump in the thread, so idk. I'm kinda waiting on you and ET to talk things out before I decide what I think about your case against him. WoS brought up the point that if I know your town play then I should be prepared for weird tunnels which we both know is a good point. So let's talk about OO in the meantime. | ||
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On November 06 2013 17:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: OO why would there be 3 scum on gumshoe unless hzflank is scum? it's this: On November 06 2013 15:39 thrawn2112 wrote: hmm. the mafia team is ET Sn0 and Ceph because..... starting point >>> ceph is the most nervous about the lynch -cephiro was apprehensive -maybe he's apprehensive becuase he's waiting for his team to green light gum's death -there's probably 2 scumbuddies causing all of sn0's apprehension -therefore all 3 scum are talking about the gumshoe lynch in the scum qt as it's going down -since all 3 scum are around for the lynch they must have all voted gumshoe at some point conclusion>>> 3 scum were on the mislynch there are 3 scum on gumshoe simply because Cephiro was nervous... dafuq | ||
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(my question is what he's replying to) On November 06 2013 15:48 ObviousOne wrote: You gotta wear your pants just right. Left leg draped over the right shoulder, right leg wrapped around like a turban. Trust me. basically it's just really weird and forced with lots of assumptions that don't hold up | ||
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On November 06 2013 19:34 Onegu wrote: No not really, he kinda pushed hz later in the day. Brb And Onegu doesn't think this is suspicious? His read on WoS seems fake. | ||
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On November 07 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote: But see that's it exactly. So you can follow the train of thought, is the train of thought scummy? It may not make a lot of sense, or be GOOD in any way, but it's pretty transparent and bad and that looks towny to me. I have a HUGE reservation about what Rayn is insinuating with his questioning of Onegu but I think there may be bias on my part so I'm not going to say anything just yet. I'll leave it to scum central to explain himself because he told me to shut up and let him do what he's doing---though i must say I haven't seen a whole lot of anything yet. OK my guess is that you see this as scum rayn trying to coerce town onegu into thinking that WoS is mafia? To me it looks more like rayn is trying to figure out wtf onegu has a town read on you for such such strange reasons. Onegu said that after you (WoS) unvoted him, you didn't really scumhunt. But his opinion of you has gone from scummy to townie after the unvote? How does that makes sense? If town Onegu TRULY had a scumread on WoS, I don't think anything that WoS has done after and including the unvote would have made Onegu change his mind. | ||
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honestly right now i'm a little pissed because I thought I was onto something with OO, but I guess he's making fake cases too and I'm supposed to give him a free pass on that? so fucking annoying and such a waste of my time to argue with someone for an hour only to have them go "lolz I jk bro" I might just push his lynch out of spite until he can show that he's town because he did nothing but jerk me around for a few hours last night. he promises a comprehensive post about the D1 lynch, but instead he makes a series of small posts critiquing minor things about various people without being upfront and saying they're scum. after I pressure him to stop screwing around he acts like i'm the asshole, tells me to stfu an let him finish his work. at that point i'm pretty pissed, but ok, I try to keep things civil just in case he's town. then he goes on and writes a mega post that's just full of stupid, he lets me rage at him about it only to finally say that he was just fishing for reactions /rant | ||
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WoS is town and I don't feel the need to explain why. hzflank is town and deserves a medal for displaying great courage and valor while under fire. Vanesco is a townie dude, he really seems to care about his arguments and making people answer his questions. Ceph... seems town. I can't sense any dishonesty coming from that guy. However, out of all my reads this is the one I'm the most apprehensive about. Sn0 imo is pretty obviously town but I can understand why people think he's not. I don't think he'd appear as comfortable posting as he does if this were his first real scum game. ET.. I would have called him town without hesitation at the end of D1 for being one of the few who were around at deadline and actually discussed things instead of dropping off their vote at the last minute. However I'm kinda pissed that he's gone silent since the lynch. He is mostly town in my mind but he needs to return in full force asap rayn.. jesus idk... I think I change my mind about him more often than I do about any other player. WoS you will hate this, but ironically you are the one who makes me go from ":scum" to "who knows" on rayn for now, because of that comment you made about how I should already know that town rayn is kinda crazy. I'm gonna take a pass on this one and not even give you guys a read because it'd probably be a bs read and very likely to change very soon. umasi, I must have a mental block on this guy because I can never remember anything he posts. I have him as town in my notes but I can't remember the feeling I got that made me write that, so I'm gonna call him null OO is scum dandelion from BEMMII. I am going to park my vote on this guy for D2 until he decides to actually explain his reads instead of writing "fake" cases. Syl scum? Maybe. Actually, probably. Mainly by process of elimination, but also because of the inordinate amount of sad faces he posts. I shoulda lynched him instead of gumshoe after changing my mind about hzflank. Soooooo I only have 2 people picked for scum, which means that my reads are probably horribly fucked up. OH FUCK I skipped Onegu, he must be 3rd scum. Case closed. (Actually I AM leaning scum on him right now for reasons I gave a few posts ago) | ||
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On November 07 2013 05:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Also scum Dandel doesn't do anything. Literally. OO is nothing like that. Then go read a few pages starting from here. Everything he does leads up to a bigass case which ended up being "fake." Throughout the ordeal he was being purposefully antagonistic. Whenever someone tries to argue with OO in this game he responds by puffing up his chest and acting like he's above it all. How is that not exactly like scum dandel? he may have more "content" but I can't give him credit for that because it all ended up being for nothing anyways. | ||
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On November 07 2013 05:17 WaveofShadow wrote: I didn't mention Rayn's attack on ET at all when I was pushing him last night and you said you agreed with me. It was actually regarding his attitude around the time of lynch that you agreed with me I believe. On November 06 2013 12:34 WaveofShadow wrote: See this, I like. One comment though; if you know Rayn at all you know his tunnel potential is massive, so I wouldn't necessarily call that alignment indicative in his case. Yes, this was a comment about some stuff I said about rayn tunneling ET. I don't want to argue about this though because it's pretty stupid. About the attitude after the lynch, I'm no longer holding that against him. He came back into the thread and wrote a huge rant that seemed completely genuine regardless of if rayn had the right to complain. So yeah, he might be wrong to have that attitude (which I don't care to debate) but that doesn't make him mafia. Townies have egos and I would argue that rayn's stance looks more like townie ego than fake scum ego. | ||
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On November 07 2013 05:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Actually hold on a sec thrawn. I just realized something really bad. Why would you be comparing scum dandel meta to scum OO meta? Are they the same person for some reason? Like...that just seems so ridiculous to me. If you're going to consider OO scummy for his actions leave the random-ass meta comparison out of it. You're so lucky I think you're town 'cause that gets a big ugh from me it's partly a joke but I don't think it's as bad a comparison you make it out to be. I think they are similar in that both OO and dandel like to have fun while playing mafia and try to inset humor where they can. The towny humor comes across as good clean fun while scummy humor comes across as annoying, frustrating, trollish, etc. I''m a little familiar with OO's town play and how he talks in general. Usually his posts are funny, but not this game. I haven't laughed at any of his jokes thus far and he's gone out of his way to piss people off all game. The change from light-hearted trolling to malicious scummy trolling is what I'm trying to point out by referencing scum dandelon. | ||
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WoS/Sn0 are kinda in the same category for me. I can read their posts and easily predict what they're going to say next because their posts make it easy for me to see into their thought process. Their reactions to things are often exactly how I imagine they'd be. It's not about completely seeing eye to eye on everything, it's that for whatever reason both of them are like an open book. I am most sure about WoS. Sn0 only needs to talk more so I can be sure he's not faking it. I just read Umasi's filter over and over and I think he's town. He had an awkward start imo, but I have to give him points for sticking to his guns about Van as long as he did in the face of so much opposition. I really like page 2 of his filter, specifically everything leading up to the lynch. This is a hard sentiment to convey to people who weren't there, but during the lynch I felt like he was trying to be helpful and figure things out. hzflank. I stand by my earlier remark that a scum player who just narrowly avoided a lynch wouldn't be so casual about displaying his amusement for all the thread to see. When it was looking like he was about to die he had just the right "yeah I know I'm about to be lynched and that sucks but I'd still like to help" attitude. I feel VERY confident about all the above reads. EchelonTee. It's time for me to eat my hat because I I just read his whole filter, something I don't think I've done since before rayn's case and as I'm looking at it now I'm seeing everything differently. Previously I was thrown off by his anger at being accused which seemed real enough, but on this read through I realized it doesn't really look like "townie anger." By that I mean it looks like he actually is mad because he's being accused of being scum for shit reasons that aren't true. Imo this is very different than when a townie gets mad, there's always a hint of paranoia in their anger and you can often feel their frustration or depression. The kind of scum anger I'm talking about is like "fuck this guy, he's right about me being scum but for all the wrong reasons so fuck him, he's stupid." THAT is the kind of anger that I sense when I read ET's posts. Here are some examples.. + Show Spoiler + On November 05 2013 14:45 EchelonTee wrote: That was the very beginning of the game. I wanted Syl to talk. It did not succeed because apparntly I am supposed to expect that Syl will not respond rationally to questions. On November 05 2013 17:54 EchelonTee wrote: I don't get the point of trying to play well and trying to improve when people are going to self-vote and simply state that they don't care enough about the game to contribute. A lot has gone on and it should not be difficult to find at least one person scummier than the others. On November 06 2013 03:09 EchelonTee wrote: Fuck the meta analysis. Fine my case was shit, I didn't know that thrawn was smurfing that game. I already indicated I would back away from my case if I had made a mistake so I think it's completely messed up that you are arguing I am twisting information when I am trying to be as reasonable as possible. I can't believe that you are trying to push a lynch on me at this stage in the game when there is almost no chance I will be lynched. You are contributing to a no-lynch and had better get off of me right now. My main point about thrawn has always been that he didn't do anything, which he himself acknowledges. I guess that's fine in Mafia these days. Vote people who are trying to do things and ignore people who do nothing. I am paying attention and am not making up things on the fly. I'm extremely, extremely insulted that you claim so. Compare my 1:1 with other players to the game and seriously, I'm the one who isn't paying attention to thread? I'm the most scummy to you? I don't even know what to say. I disagree that gumshoe's interactions/contributions are fake, and therefore I'm scum. Seriously. ##Unvote What I feel from that is the anger comes from him being frustrated that he's trying his hardest to play a good scum game, but there are townies who in his opinion are playing like idiots and getting away with it. Rayn I should have listened to you but you started off this game playing so fucking weirdly that I don't think I was of the mindset to trust anything you said in D1. On the topic of rayn's case against ET.... Anyone who's played with me in the past KNOWS that even though I often end a game with a huge tryhard filter, I do NOT always take the game seriously. Anyone who does any meta research should know this. Yes, you'll see the occasional wall-of-text serious post like the one I'm typing now, but I put out about as much stupidity as I do seriousness. So how could ET possibly think I am some super serious mafia player who never trolls around or makes silly or useless posts? I do it all the time! While trying to categorize me as someone who will always write legitimate cases, he used this example from one of my past games to show how much different my play in this game was from my "normal" town play: On March 06 2013 02:11 thrawn2112 wrote: prom -not reading the thread (less than 10 pages wtf) -taking things that happened early game super seriously -not being my friend oh this is interesting so i guess he was reading the thread and knew about me not reading my role pm at the start.... yet he is trying to judge my alignment.... - -wtf could he have possibly been talking about in regards to the questions about thrawn -taking things that happened early game super seriously -the above point, while trying to act all silly himself... it reminds me of hapa's seal posts -not being my friend scum lol does that look like a serious tryhard case to anyone? Did ET even bother reading that post before including it in his case? 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On November 07 2013 13:18 Onegu wrote: I think they are both scum.... I just pointed that out.... I am ok with either lynch. The only reason you give for rayn being scum is because you think he was trying to save hzflank. You do not think rayn is mafia you are just voting him because you think WoS will help push his mislynch. ##unvote ##vote:Onegu I guess hopeless gets another 72 hrs | ||
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On November 07 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Also sorry thrawn having severe idgaf issues right now. I'll get to the stuff I promised eventually. yeah I know. but forget about ET and rayn for now because this vote onegu just made is crazy. I looked through his filter and he never talks to or about rayn as if he thinks he's mafia. Onegu never implies that he thinks rayn is scum until just now, and the only reasoning was because maybe scum rayn was trying to save scum hzflank? This is after Onegu start throwing out quotes to show that hzflank is scum... why wouldn't he just vote for hz? The answer... as much as you hate to admit it, imo is because rayn is town and onegu thinks that's an easier mislynch. | ||
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On November 07 2013 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote: It's like Onegu just wants to be lynched. Are there jesters in this game lol? The issue becomes the 'too scummy to be scum' thing. I can't honestly tell where to sit on this. My gut tells me a scum Onegu just wouldn't play this badly. Do you remember that quote rayn provided? On November 07 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like this is what Onegu did in Desert final day: And we did not lynch him for it. :p Anyways good night. | ||
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On November 07 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Yup, and I was waiting for you to point that out because it doesn't mean shit here---Onegu didn't fuck up, backtrack, try to cover anything up. He's just playing balls-to-the-wall shit. And Onegu himself brings up a good point. Rayn DOES call him tricky. This doesn't look tricky in the slightest. yeah, I think what he's doing is backtracking, but if you believe him then he's not backtracking. he claimed to have been developing suspicions about rayn earlier, he just didn't point them out. we have to accept that on faith because there is nothing in his filter to prove to us on way or the other if he ever thought rayn was mafia so the two choices are: 1) believe that he did think rayn was scum before now, except he didn't say anything about it and chose to talk about other stuff instead 2) he's scum and playing terribly | ||
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On November 07 2013 14:07 WaveofShadow wrote: lol thrawn do you see this? Do you REALLY think this is scum play? yeah that was my thought too... hmm | ||
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On November 07 2013 15:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you remember why we thought Onegu was town in Desert? That's the stuff i mean with tricky. I remember that but not sure on why. I do remember at one point he was explaining that this is just how he plays, like he did earlier in this game I think? It convinced me in that game I remember. But tell me what you're talking about and do you think WoS might be right? | ||
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On November 07 2013 15:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: The Sylencia stuff. Do you remember it? What do you mean with "WoS might be right"? Nope. If you're talking about something that happened after I died then I wouldn't know. I'm asking if you think onegu might be town because this doesn't look like scumplay: On November 07 2013 14:05 Onegu wrote: Wait where did I say I thought rayn was scum earlier? The first time was when I saw his BS reason for makeing me look bad, hell I voted dor him to be blue before this. | ||
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On November 07 2013 17:52 Onegu wrote: Then they become null. Maybe slightly townie and I eat my hat. Pretend hzflank somehow flips green right now. Do you keep your vote on rayn on not? | ||
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On November 07 2013 18:07 Onegu wrote: That wouldnt matter rayn is connected to hz but not the other way around. Hz is still scummy without rayn saveing him. ok so why are you not voting for hz? based on the answers you've given me just now it seems like hzflank would be your safest bet, no? and the rest of your filter looks like the filter of a guy who would always be voting hzflank over rayn. On November 07 2013 17:50 Onegu wrote: Scumteam The only question I really want answered is why are you voting for rayn over hzflank? I'm gonna lay out a time line of your filter... You start off by attacking one of hzflank's posts. In your next post you policy-vote him because of his "jerk" comment. I didn't like the way that argument felt, it didn't feel "real" but at the time I didn't think much about it besides asking ET what he thought about it (which btw, he pretty much brushed me off.) After this you eventually unvote hz but continue pointing out problems with his play. (at some point you ask rayn a single question but I did not find it significant) Right before your self-vote you called out hzflank as your #1 scumread. You gave rayn a null read later in that post when you said that everyone you didnt mention is null. So far there's no indicator that you think rayn is scummy. After the lynch you keep saying hzflank is one of your big scumreads and you get into a conversation with rayn where you defend yourself for a few posts but still show no indication that you thin rayn is scummy. I read no paranoia about rayn's alignment in those posts on page 3 of your filter where you are defending against rayns questions. You do mention him here as potentially scummy: On November 07 2013 12:24 Onegu wrote: This is such BS I played that game well, I made this one slip at the end and then worked my way out of it to not get lynched. And In hogwarts the only person with a scum read on me was the vigi and mostly because I had a red check. When people call me scum for BS meta usally flip scum (ie FirmTofu in persona) 2 people have done it so far this game sn0 and now rayn. However, that is a very weak accusation. It's more passive aggressive shitflinging than it is a real accusation. Then all the recent stuff happened... this is the important part that all you tldr's shouldn't skip On November 07 2013 12:49 Onegu wrote: Why were you down my lynch you only mentioned me marytring and never said how that was alignment indicative. On November 07 2013 12:59 Onegu wrote: I really dont like this post either, looking at this some of the votes on you did make sense. Your vote on umasi early was forced imo. The second part I dont understand at all, ok he agrees with you on somethings, why does that make him have to have a town read on you when he disagrees with you on other things. it looks like onegu is building up to make a case on hzflank, who has been at the top of his scumreads all game long..... On November 07 2013 13:08 Onegu wrote: Also look who saved HZflank. It looks kinda innocent, but its not. He doesnt change his vote right away he just kinda throws it out there. I think scum were kinda forced to do it also, so before you say it was a risky play, he doesnt unvote, he just throws a innocent looking play out there, and which is more risky letting a scum lynch go through and let town keep 3 blue roles for 2 straight nights. Or subtlely try to change the lynch target and see if anyone latches onto it? ##VOTE RAYN then this! You vote rayn because he's probably hzflank's scumbuddy based on the hzflank>gumshoe swithc, even though you've never hinted at being at all suspicious of rayn? yes, you have that one remark about sn0 and rayn I quoted, but that is nothing compared to the posts and posts and posts you've written talking about how scummy hzflank is. So why are you voting rayn? I say it's because mr townie posts-a-lot WoS is going to be pushing rayn hard this cycle. | ||
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On November 07 2013 18:49 Onegu wrote: Because Im 85~% sure they are both scum and want to get rid of the dangerous one first. and there is no way for me to verify this because you never said you thought rayn was scum until you voted for him. the only reasoning you gave in that post was that thought he was saving hzflank, which doesn't count as reasoning because it could be applied to so many other people just as senselessly. and this is after talking about hzflank all game long. it just doesn't make for a believable story. | ||
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On November 07 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you have anything to say about Onegu? he doesnt imo it's syl/ongeu/et | ||
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On November 07 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you have anything to say about Onegu? look at syl's reply On November 07 2013 20:41 Sylencia wrote: ##Vote Cephiro Hopeless is someone I'd be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him. It's pretty vital that that is kept in mind during the course of the day. Easy enough, nothing's changed since my post about him. OO's reads were pretty close to what I had as a list when he was alive too. In terms of what's happened during Day 2, stop trying to get at each others throats and go for the more probable targets. Rayn train is dumb imo, he's still townier than a lot of others. -could lynch hopeless -people aren;t going up for the probable targets during d2 the serious targets mentioned so far have been rayn onegu and et but they aren't "probable" and the only one he bothers mentioning is rayn? sylencia why are you dismissing the onegu and hopeless lynches even though you yourself said you could lynch hopeless? | ||
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On November 08 2013 03:40 Sn0_Man wrote: I like the points against onegu, Syl's vote was WTF, my current biggest concern is that you are still alive. While I agree with (almost) all the things you say you being alive is giving me misgivings because I would have expected you to die. you are giving me too much credit. i'm usually never nightkilled till like d3-ish Which is why I'm trying to figure out what happened last night since if OO was a blue shot then I can believe that you were targetted but saved for example. That would give me more confidence in your reads. Vets who push a mislynch D1 then go "WHOAH COMPLETE 180 ON MY READS GUYS" and are still alive D2 smell funny to me. I agree with your points but hnnnnng smells funny. So I'm looking for certainty there. There are 2 1-shot witch hunters read the OP lol. [/QUOTE] ok well fuck me then ... idk... currently i'm waiting for people to start talking before I care | ||
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On November 08 2013 11:23 Umasi wrote: so I think that onegu is town, purely by feel, and would rather see votes on other people. I had a good feeling about hz at the end of d1, but since then it's been *shrug*, will keep relatively close track of koshi. Kinda leery of hopeless/et atm, but not that much. Not sure about rayn, but there are other people I prefer to lynch. I have sylencia as town still, but I've kind of slept on him for a while. I still like a vanesco lynch, can we lynch him? He says that he thinks both sno and I are scummy, but doesn't pursue it at all, he just addresses why thrawn ISN'T listed. feels like he was throwing something out there to throw something out there. 'I dislike meta talk' proceeds to talk about meta ##vote: vanesco Hello Umasi. Can you go into your feel read on Onegu? And can you explain about Vanesco some more? I wouldn't lynch him for any of the things you talked about, they are pretty insubstantial imo. | ||
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On November 08 2013 11:52 Umasi wrote: they sure are fricken weird! then again, I'm the poster boy for vanescos guiltiness. (I'll consolidate again vote wise, but he never became my not #1 scum read, and largely little has happened regarding him.) regarding onegu, the entire fuck it attitude out of the thread day one and self vote, specifically, makes me read him as town, because in my limited experience with him, he'd try much much harder as scum. He has played through more dire circumstances (and somewhat successfully) than this, so it'd be weird for him to just up and quit as scum. idc if there's a precedent for the self VOTE, but it's more than that, it's just his capitulation felt premature, more premature than scum onegu would do. then again, I've only played one game with him where he was scum, sooooooooooo maybe I'm wrong! just my thoughts. If he's scum he could still easily have been telling the truth about being in the hospital. IMO that part is not alignment indicative. The self vote is weird but.. does he really stand to lose anything by doing it as mafia? First, people are gonna call him town for it, second it doesn't really do much because I don't think he was in any danger of being lynched (at least not enough danger for martyrdom) and I'm not really feeling that he truly thought so either. It would have been a pretty safe thing to do as mafia. | ||
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On November 08 2013 12:00 Umasi wrote: ##unvote ##vote umasi peace bros, I'm out. Suddenly I'm town? of course not. it doesn't work that way :p it has to appear real | ||
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On November 08 2013 12:55 Onegu wrote: Except I had to I knew I wouldnt be around. At the time I selfvoted I had two votes and at least 3 other people say they were fine with my lynch, with my vote that was one short of majority. If you are green then there is absolutely no way that helping the thread lynch you is good for town. Did you really think it was either you getting lynched or no-lynch, that there would be no other wagons? There was one forming on me right before you self voted. The reason I don't buy the self vote is because I hardly see it from townies with this mindset of "i'm helping town." Usually townies do it out of frustration/martrydom, not some "for the good of town" sentiment. | ||
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On November 08 2013 13:13 WaveofShadow wrote: You mean like Rayn did? Or me? You haven't said anything about when we did it. thrawn where are you? I need you to be my marv this game. hi. do you think onegu is scum or is your vote pure policy? if it's policy you're wasting time imo | ||
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Sylencia votes for ET on day 1. He is the only person with his vote still on ET at the end of the day during d2 sylencia says this On November 07 2013 20:41 Sylencia wrote: ##Vote Cephiro Hopeless is someone I'd be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him. It's pretty vital that that is kept in mind during the course of the day. Go back and read the part I bolded. Read what sylencia says he's going to do about hopeless during D2. He comes in voting for ceph saying that all the other candidates are likely to be lynched and therefore not worth talking about. I question him about this and his response is.... On November 08 2013 10:37 Sylencia wrote: There have been what, 2 or 3 posts about Hopeless, the rest have been a massive 'rayn/onegu is scum' talk. How does that show that Hopeless is a probable target? It doesn't really, since no one is talking about him. In any case, my vote isn't weird at all considering there has been no defense from Ceph and we're already in the second half of day 2. I dunno why this town is so dead. oh so now it's time to ignore everything being said about ET? When earlier he said hopeless is somebody he'd "be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him" why why why does nobody see this as scummy? syl's main candidate from d1 is someone who syl says he's going to "keep in mind during the course of the day" but he later refuses to acknowledge hopeless as a serious candidate. | ||
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On November 08 2013 15:19 Onegu wrote: Again I have mostly agrred with sylencias train of thought especially day one, he hasnt been that active but I still put him in my town catagory as of now. This coupled with the OO interactions led me to believe he is town. | ||
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On November 09 2013 03:01 Onegu wrote: I had always has hz as scum, I had a slightly bigger scum read on hz than rayn. But rayn was the more dangerous player so I voted rayn, when koshi replaced in, he isnt as new as hz was and a better player imo, so my reasoning for voteing rayn over koshi orginaly was gone so I voted koshi. ok so.... -hzflank is scum, rayn voted for hzflank so rayn must be scum too (btw, lots of other people voted for hzflank i dont see you doing analysis on their votes) -but rayn is more dangerous so lynch him for the crime of "saving" hzflnak -koshi is better than hzflank so vote for koshi dude your reasons have nothing to do with scumhunting...everyone lynch this guy | ||
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On November 09 2013 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote: thrawn if Onegu flips town, what happens? idk, if that happens I will probably have to look at people like Sn0 and Ceph. i have (wos rayn) as super town, koshi van umasi sn0 as likely town, ceph is kinda a wild card actually I just remembered that I kinda agreed when rayn said that hopeless probably isn't scum lol, so one of the above reads is gonna have to change I don't think onegu's alignemnt will affect my opinion on scum-sylencia unless I come across something in their filters post-flip | ||
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On November 09 2013 03:54 Onegu wrote: Cephiro hasnt done much this game except tunnel WoS, but there was alot of effort. Also he was the hammer on gumshoe and I never really see scum wanting to be the hammer on day 1. Yes he contridicts himseld talking about how a no lynch is better, and then drives the nail in. I think scum would have been ok with a no lynch because it would have derived town of info, they get a free kill, and another wasted day while we lynch gumshoe day two because he was one vote short. What does this mean? What is your conclusion? Most of that is a description of his filter. | ||
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On November 09 2013 03:56 Onegu wrote: Yes everything koshi has written is alignment neutral. All of it is basicly stalling, and wifom. He tries to look town with his random questions a bit to hard imo. at the start of D1 you said you were voting rayn over hzflank because scum rayn is a bigger threat than scum hzflank. Do you think that scum koshi is a bigger threat than scum rayn? | ||
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On November 09 2013 04:01 WaveofShadow wrote: To this day I have never, let me repeat, NEVER seen a scummer who is about to be lynched provide a list of pre-death reads and actively attempt to provide town with everything asked of him. i guess the part where we disagree is that you think his reads are reads and i don't? what are the lynches you could go for today? what about syl? | ||
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On November 09 2013 04:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Sn0 and Umasi. Same as yesterday. Rayn I'm flip-flopping on a lot. I really hate how quick he agreed to my 'deal' because I would expect a scumRayn to be very confident he could throw the rest of town (and me as well) off of his case in a full 72 hours, and less a show of how confident he is that Onegu is scum as town, but then his weird incredulity of me recently with regards to Onegu is very reminiscent of how he acts as town towards me. As far as Syl---I dunno nothing he's done has bugged me a whole lot aside from what hzflank pointed out yesterday....what are the recent points for/against him? I don't think I;ve looked. sylencia and sneaky contain 5 of the same letters sneaky = mafia | ||
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On November 09 2013 04:12 WaveofShadow wrote: thrawn do you think there are scum on ceph or sn0 right now as the 'semi-competing' wagons? i think there's a chance syl is bussing ceph because of how horribly the scum team had been playing in D2. of course this changes completely based on whatever onegu flips | ||
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On November 07 2013 20:41 Sylencia wrote: ##Vote Cephiro Hopeless is someone I'd be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him. It's pretty vital that that is kept in mind during the course of the day. Easy enough, nothing's changed since my post about him. OO's reads were pretty close to what I had as a list when he was alive too. In terms of what's happened during Day 2, stop trying to get at each others throats and go for the more probable targets. Rayn train is dumb imo, he's still townier than a lot of others. "lets pay attention to hopeless" On November 08 2013 10:37 Sylencia wrote: There have been what, 2 or 3 posts about Hopeless, the rest have been a massive 'rayn/onegu is scum' talk. How does that show that Hopeless is a probable target? It doesn't really, since no one is talking about him. In any case, my vote isn't weird at all considering there has been no defense from Ceph and we're already in the second half of day 2. I dunno why this town is so dead. "nvm lets ignore hopeless" | ||
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On November 09 2013 04:20 Onegu wrote: Ok Im going to sleep do you want to know my blue votes from day 1? I guess so? Idk. Before you go to sleep I'd like you to give your bestest best explanation behind your top scum read. Also I'd like for you to give town advice on what to do after your lynch. | ||
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On November 09 2013 04:28 WaveofShadow wrote: You guys are way too complacent in your scumreads, and are not helping me discuss shit. Worst fucking town circle ever. lol don't ask me to be your marv and then come into the thread not knowing what the points against sylencia are because I have written much and more about him | ||
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On November 09 2013 04:35 Onegu wrote: Sylencia, umasi, ryan. Day 1 blue votes. Lynch koshi, if he flips red lynch rayn. Later GL town. Why aren't you voting for sn0man? He is one of your top scum reads and he has two votes and many others want to lynch him compared to your lonely vote on koshi who nobody wants to lynch. This is coming from the guy who self-voted to help consolidate the lynch on D1... why is he not trying to consolidate? Why is voting for a person nobody wants to lynch (koshi) instead of voting for his other scumread (sno) who other people want to lynch? It's because he does not care about the lynch because he is mafia. Does anyone think that a town onegu would really think that his vote on koshi is in town's best interests? | ||
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On November 09 2013 04:49 Koshi wrote: I am voting for him because he thinks all the town reads from hzflank are scum and thinking I am scum. Also for the self vote. Also somewhat bad play but not really that. But I will be amused because he had to say I am scum while being scum 2 times in a row while he calls himself a Koshi hunter :D. koshi do you know that this is majority lynch? | ||
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i wanted to see how ceph was going to approach having to potentially be the hammer again | ||
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On November 09 2013 04:56 WaveofShadow wrote: I was thinking that too. Well this is interesting. we can start analyzing for next day's lynch now, no? I also massively have to rethink some of the ways in which I do analysis. It sucks because it's going to make me even more paranoid than normal for a while. Onegu next you roll scum (cause you get it all the fucking time somehow) can we trade? well obviously not much will change for me if onegu flips red. i kinda liked the way hopeless was posting so I think I might like Ceph for scum instead of ET/Hopeless. sylencia is mafia, lol. i think we should lynch sylencia next | ||
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On November 09 2013 05:02 Sn0_Man wrote: Oh wait somehow I thought the lynch was now not in 2 hours. NVM. Don't think in a majority vote game there is much reason to self-hammer but iunno. Self hammering as scum denies town information. Seeing Onegu being lynched without giving up lets us know more because that's one more vote to anaylze. Also when scum just give up like that, they are outed and it makes it easy for their teammates to "buss." In the only scum game I'm even a little bit proud of we used dayvig shots on the cop when he outed one of our teammates with a red check. He was very townie and everyone was gonna defer to his word so it was better to go ahead and let the thread know that our teammate was scum way early in the cycle, rather than let them argue about it which would generate useful discussion. Now that onegu has given up we don't get to have that nail-biting 2 hours before lynch where people take stands and reveal their true motives. | ||
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Except for hapa he can continue using it as his own personal scumclaim | ||
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rayn? sn0? vanesco or umi? please tell me if ur town sn0 man I gave you town reads all game and you've done nothing but buddy up to me | ||
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rayn and wos are town. rayn might not be but he prolly is. in either case don't lynch either of them on d3 because there are other scum that are probably easier to catch and wos/rayn have consistently cared about discussion. i will note that I didn't mind syl's posting during this night cycle and I'd probably look elsewhere for mafia, at least at the start of the day phase. same sorta goes for hopeless's posts from D2 which reallly sucks because that means I have no scumreads. therefore.... everyone else is lazy or scum. if you are lazy/town and plan on continuing being lazy d3 then town will probably lose. thems my reads | ||
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On November 10 2013 06:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn give me one good reason why i should have claimed roleblock? um have you ever played mafia before? claiming roleblock is standard? doesn't really matter in this setup because even if you claim rb it doesn't mean you're blue so there's no reason to be scared of getting sniped | ||
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On November 10 2013 06:58 Cephiro wrote: rayn, if you die tonight, thrawn or wos first? dude wtf, if those are really your reads then you're scum or you havnt read a single page of this game | ||
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On November 10 2013 09:22 Vanesco wrote: hey koshi what are your current scum reads and why? I understand it can be hard to just get into a game as a replacement but I think you have had enough time to develop your own reads. wasup why you picking on koshi? do you *really* think he's mafia? also, what are your views on the current state of the game and who is mafia | ||
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post 1 + Show Spoiler + On November 07 2013 17:18 Vanesco wrote: After me trying to ask why people decided to vote on gumshoe in the last few minutes of the day I only got 2 responses (by thrawn and rayn). Mostly everybody else has been kinda lurking up to this point and still hasn't given a reason for their vote on gumshoe. I still believe that most likely that scum was involved in the vote since i don't think 7/9 townies would instantly change their vote which is why the reasons for switching your votes is really important in my opinion. Out of the 7 who voted on gumshoe I feel like the most scummy are umasi and sno_man. For those who are wondering why thrawn isn't there is because I do not think he is as scummy as I did last time. Ever since night 1 he has been posting well in my opinion. Another reason why is because of what I found suspicious at first, that he kinda deflected off of hzflank and started the vote on gumshoe. The more I think of it it makes me lean more town on him each time. The argument still stands if they are both scum, but it would have been a big risk to take, but still a possibility. I don't see the scenario working if thrawn was scum and hzflank was town, that he would poke his head so far out to vote on gumshoe when all that was needed was 1 more vote on hzflank. And if thrawn is town, regardless of hzflanks alignment, he thought that gumshoe was a better vote as explained in his reasoning. you gave no reason why the scummiest gumshoe votes were umasi/sn0, you merely stated that you thought so. the bulk of that post is you explaining how your read changed on me, something which is a little uneeded, especially since you didn't feel the need to go into your sn0 scum read. When you say things like "For those who are wondering why thrawn isn't there" it makes me think you feel guilty about being mafia or whatever. post 2 + Show Spoiler + On November 08 2013 13:03 Vanesco wrote: This town is seriously ignoring so many things its putting town at a setback in my opinion. Like seriously, its now Day 2 and we are in a worse position than at the start of the game. Now instead of 10 townies we are down to 8 while scum are still at 3. What has town learnt? Not much apart from having more time to make reads on player interaction. Why is nobody interested in following up on how gumshoe was killed or why OO was a target? So far (unless I accidentally missed it in the thread), Umasi, EchelonTee (now kinda excused since replaced), Sn0_Man, and Cephiro have not given any type of explanation as to why they decided to change their vote onto gumshoe in the last few minutes, which I am still waiting for. If those 3 (this is excluding EchelonTee) are allowed to get away with lynching a townie without ever even having to reason why it would be a big mistake. If one of those 3 happens to be scum then its like giving them a free pass on a kill. OO's death is interesting in my opinion since a few people were kinda talking about lynching or thinking of lynching him come day 2. I think that regardless of if OO was NK or silver bullet shot, there was a reason why they chose him over somebody else. It seems that OO was mainly focused on sno for most of the game. He was also suspicious of others however sno is the one that seems to occur many times and sno's posts have very much the similar type where he has been mainly wanting to get rid of OO. ##Vote: Sn0_Man I still dont see you giving an adequate explanation for your sn0 scumread. All you do is talk about how he didn't answer your questions regarding the D1 last minute vote switch. There were lots of other people who completely ignored your questions, and imo they weren't very important questions to begin with. Anyone with half a brain can read the pages leading up to gum's lynch and be able to figure out why the thread wanted gumshoe dead. The vote switch was not that big of a deal imo and not very alignment indicative of anyone participating. You spent waaaaaay too much time talking about it. Later in that post also try to setup sn0 to be scum based on night kill speculation which makes me feel verrrrrrry uneasy about your motives. post 3 + Show Spoiler + On November 08 2013 13:23 Vanesco wrote: I don't really think sno has had any affect (or effect?) on this game so far. He mentions that he is playing like his standard day 1 and not really giving any reads. I don't know his meta or really care for it too much, but not willing to give ANY reads sends some alarm bells to my head thinking he could be scum. He also says that he promises he is making reads and thinking about the game, where so far all he has really done is talk about how he thinks OO has died and nothing else of actual value. dude, pick almost anyone from the game and lots of the things here are true about them too. I actually think you've had less of an impact on the game than sn0. People have been pretty much ignoring you and letting you get away with making post after post about D1 lynch analysis without ever having very much to show for it. post 4 + Show Spoiler + On November 09 2013 01:30 Vanesco wrote: Ok so has nobody noticed that although Onegu says he is voting on rayn but puts his vote instead on koshi? (apart from maybe WoS). Onegu, not giving reasons for your vote just seems like your trying to put your vote on someone and hoping that others agree with you. I want to hear more of why you voted for you who voted (and maybe switch your vote cause from your post it looks like you want to vote rayn instead of koshi). I also don't like how Umasi just comes out of nowhere after being on my case for the whole game and then just suddenly backing off without any reason why. He then proceeds to vote without anything other than thinking that cephiro is a possible lynch. Like wtf. Umasi explain your actions since nothing is making sense. Sno keeps on talking about how he thinks OO died and is really wanting to make others think that it is a silver bullet (when we are not sure). To me it seems most likely that sno is saying this because if OO was killed by a silver bullet, it puts less suspicion on him, but if OO was a nightkill than there seems to be more suspicion on sno. I've also disliked that sno at one point wanted the votes on the blue to come out. At the moment I am comfortable with lynching Umasi or sno. this post... idk. the things you say about sn0 are true but they aren't very damning imo. it's all speculation about sn0's speculation....bleh. also, I kinda want sn0man to chime in on this point before I defend him because I think I know what he was thinking but I want to hear him say it first. | ||
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On November 10 2013 13:31 Hopeless1der wrote: man wtf is this game....I still want sylencia to tell me what his read of me is, and why the fuck he thinks its his job to berate town for lynching onegu when he did nothing to prevent it or present an alternative. What do you think sylencia's berating of town says about his alignment and why? Annnnnnd do you have anything else you want to talk about? | ||
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That leaves sylencia, sn0, vanesco, umasi to chose from for all 3 mafia. Unfortunately none of them are around very much and I doubt that's gonna change any time soon. I still have a soft-spot for the snoman but he really needs to get in here asap. fuck.... this game is a lurk fest.... I have close to the same amount of posts as all 4 of my main suspects have combined. before this next bit I wanna say that I'm not trying to be rude or make the game less enjoyable for anyone no matter their alignment.... but the way this game is going we're likely to no-lynch until scum kill us all. SYLENCIA if you're gonna act above everyone else then you need to get the fuck in here and tell us plebs all the information we're missing that you'd have us believe you're so privy to VANESCO/UMASI both of you hardly ever post. you both have 3 or less pages of filter and that kind of activity is going to lose us the game if you're town. it's been hard for me to keep you guys separate in my mind all game. Right now I have the both of you characterized as that guy who gets along with most people but mostly gets ignored all game. More often then not this is why I lose games, because I ignore players like you guys and you end up being scum. Vanesco, this goes doubly for you for being so uncooperative with me earlier. Sn0_Man I want you to come and give us your own thoughts and stop sheeping me as your excuse to not play CEPHIRO If you're town then you're probably one of the scumteam's prime mislynch candidates so you need to do something about that. same sentiment goes for sn0man | ||
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##vote umasi I really think they're both scum, and umasi's last post is too much for me to let slide. Everything about it reads as meh idgaf lazy wishy washy uninterested uninvolved unemotional scumminess. With town being fucked as it is you'd expect a sense of urgency, frustration, desperation, or something. SOME kind of emotion or something that tells you that Umasi cares about the lynch. Today's lynch is the lynch that needs to be cared about the most and that's all he's got? Scum. | ||
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On November 10 2013 17:20 Umasi wrote: if I were pretending to give a shit, you would think I actually gave a shit. far more pressing is the fact that you called me umi. LOL this post right here is an admission that its reasonable for me to believe that you don't give a shit. so are you a townie who is throwing away the game or are you scum? | ||
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really guys, if either of you are town, please know that I'm not trying to be an ass. i'm trying to get you to post enough so that myself and everyone else can be able to read your alignment correctly. so far both of you have strongly resisted my attempts to help you help town. the reason I'm not picking on sn0man is because he is at least very straight forward about not wanting to help town. to me that's enough for me to read him and be confident in that read. what both of you guys did is show up for a brief time and kinda-sorta act like you care, but when I pressure you to actually contribute it's all excuses and silence. that looks FAR worse than sn0man's "lol sorry" types of posts. | ||
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Can everyone claim their D1 votes and say if they got elected for that cycle? And any roleblocks from n1/n2? I think we're still missing 1 blue claim from N1 (ceph claimed tracking syl with no result, umasi claimed rb rayn) | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + i'm not mad... just depressed. lol. i will keep playing because it'd be hilarious if town wins | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 04 2013 15:50 Vanesco wrote: Well I agree with the reasoning which is why I decided to vote. Also since many people commented on it, it seems like a fairly normal thing to do on TL mafia and since I plan on playing many more games, it would be foolish not to adapt. Overall, regardless whether I was voting for him or not, I still stand by Umasi being one of my scum reads. On November 05 2013 16:02 Vanesco wrote: thrawn: [words words words words.....] Currently he is a scummy read to me. I would like to know your reasons why you unvoted rayn. ##Vote: thrawn2112 On November 04 2013 13:44 Vanesco wrote: I don't get where this idea of my calling out Syl for not being firm is coming from. I just didn't like what he had to say and I decided that instead of people joking around I wanted to actually start the game, so I called him out. I didn't really take much of a stance because nothing in his response made me feel like he was scummy. I'm having a really big scum read on Umasi currently. I bolded the parts I'm about to talk about. IMO, saying "I'm having a really big scum read on X" is a very scummy way of saying "I really think X is scum." There are more instances of Van doing what I'm talking about than what I've quoted, if you look through his filter you see that he often takes care to qualify his reads as "scum reads" or "town reads." I don't claim to know what psychological reason would make a liar (in this game all scum players are essentially liars) talk in this specific way, but I do think that saying "I have a scum read on X" instead of "I think X is scum" is very unnatural. Another way of putting it is that it seems very constructed. Now OBVIOUSLY if someone says "I'm having a scum read on X" that's not any kind of huge scum tell. But when they talk like that the entire game, something's up. It makes me think Van's reads aren't actually his reads because of the strange way he refers to them. Hmmm.. I'm not sure if I'm explaining this correctly. It's like two people are in front of me and I'm tasked to figure out which of them is happy and which isn't. Only one of them is happy but both of them want to convince me that they are the happy one. One of them is smiling. The other is saying "I am having a happy feeling" while maintaining a blank emotionless stare. In this game, Vanesco is the guy with the blank stare and empty words who is not happy (not town) | ||
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van is mafia and i don't doubt that at all. umasi... eh. i suggest you look at his post where he blue claimed and explained his witchcraft votes and actions, it all made sense and didn't look like something he just made up. so who does that leave? syl, cephiro, sn0, and you lol. what really sucks is that i have a hard time believing that sn0 is scum, i have a hard time believing that you are scum, and i have a hard time believing that both cehp and syl are scum. I think the easiest of those to swallow is sn0man being scum but shit, i really just dont see it. why dont you want to lynch vanesco? | ||
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On November 11 2013 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can lynch Vanesco and i will vote for him if we are not lynching Sno. What makes you think Sno is town? it all comes down to his carefree posting. to be fair this is something I mentioned at the start of the game so it'd be easy for scum sno to pick up on that and roll with it the rest of the game | ||
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this would be his first scum game which makes the case for him being town even stronger. hey you know what? we could figure this out if he would fucking post | ||
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On November 08 2013 13:03 Vanesco wrote: This town is seriously ignoring so many things its putting town at a setback in my opinion. Like seriously, its now Day 2 and we are in a worse position than at the start of the game. Now instead of 10 townies we are down to 8 while scum are still at 3. What has town learnt? Not much apart from having more time to make reads on player interaction. Why is nobody interested in following up on how gumshoe was killed or why OO was a target? So far (unless I accidentally missed it in the thread), Umasi, EchelonTee (now kinda excused since replaced), Sn0_Man, and Cephiro have not given any type of explanation as to why they decided to change their vote onto gumshoe in the last few minutes, which I am still waiting for. If those 3 (this is excluding EchelonTee) are allowed to get away with lynching a townie without ever even having to reason why it would be a big mistake. If one of those 3 happens to be scum then its like giving them a free pass on a kill. OO's death is interesting in my opinion since a few people were kinda talking about lynching or thinking of lynching him come day 2. I think that regardless of if OO was NK or silver bullet shot, there was a reason why they chose him over somebody else. It seems that OO was mainly focused on sno for most of the game. He was also suspicious of others however sno is the one that seems to occur many times and sno's posts have very much the similar type where he has been mainly wanting to get rid of OO. ##Vote: Sn0_Man | ||
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On November 10 2013 09:36 Koshi wrote: Vanesco Give me 1 name that you think is scum and I will dig into that guy. and did vanesco respond? no. It doesn't look like Van is committed to figuring out koshi's alignment, does it? I asked van for his reads, he replies by saying "koshi has to go first." Koshi did end up giving reads... they were weak reads but they were reads and you could see where koshi was coming from. Then Vanesco gave up on his questioning so quickly that it's soooo obvious he didn't care about the conversation in the first place. During all that I try to get vanseco to give a better response about his scum read and I get redirected to his filter. I respond to this redirection. Does he care? No. I broke down each of the posts he linked me and he STILL hasn't gotten back to me. He simply does not care about convincing me that sn0man is mafia. All he's done since that whole ordeal is write a long winded excuse for why his filter's so short. at this point i'm scared that if we try to go for someone other than vanseco that we won't reach a majority. otherwise I might be open to the possibility of lynching sn0 or syl. | ||
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On November 11 2013 19:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i get that. That's basically what i said about Van in my post. The "clammed up" could be true but could also be not. Someone not posting in some time frame is not incriminating in my opinion, i get accused of it quite often and it always makes me mad because i never lie about being able / not being able to post. If Vanesco is scum why would he not make shit up at that time instead of later on (because by your definition it looks worse on him). If he is scum and you are right he HAS to make shit up in any case. I don't think that's alignment indicative. I agree that him questioning Koshi looks fishy and non-scumhunting'y. I'm not really talking about him going afk. During that conversation he was being so damn uncooperative, with all the "koshi first" shit. For the posts he made where he DID respond quickly, there was no substance to the posts and he wouldn't, and my guess is couldn't, elaborate on anything. | ||
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On November 11 2013 19:02 thrawn2112 wrote: I'm perfectly fine with letting what Sn0 and Vanseco do for the rest of the day determine which of them gets lynched. I would ADD sylencia to that plan but I don;t think we have enough time or active players to sort out all 3 of them. ASS >>> ADD although i'd ass sylencia any day | ||
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On November 11 2013 18:58 Sylencia wrote: Even looking at the town vote I'm feeling so lazy because there's such a low chance of 5 townies voting Vanesco there. Anyways, time to catch up from the night time how does the alleged low probability of 5 votes being on vanesco have anything to do with how motivated you are. wtf were you trying to say here? that vanesco is an easy mislynch? that there are scum among the vanseco voters? that we shouldn't expect anything from you? there's no point to this post other than trying to discredit the vanseco lynch without having to give any reads at all or say anything even somewhat constructive. stop shitting all over town with every post you make | ||
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On November 11 2013 19:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Thrawn what do you make out of the OO kill? It was pretty weird tbh. Do you think WoS was right in saying scum were afraid of protections? Well... why wouldn't they be? AND if vanesco and sn0man are scum, then vanesco already told us why OO died. | ||
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On November 11 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: What's the point of fakeclaiming when you can just.. not fakeclaim? coming from you? lol | ||
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On November 11 2013 20:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck.. it actually makes sense if Cephiro, Sno and Vanesco are scum.. true enough i've liked this back and forth sylencia's given us, makes me feel a lot better about him. syl i'd still like it if you'd do some kind of comprehensive post detailing your reads and your thought process moving forwards | ||
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On November 11 2013 20:37 thrawn2112 wrote: sorry rayn i just read sn0's filter and it's nowhere near as shitty as everyone keeps saying it is. does not = good. anyways, i'm done defending a guy that cba to play. I'm not reading him as town, I'm just not comfortable voting for him while vanesco is still alive | ||
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I've asked you for that and for your other reads because you've spent this whole time focusing on votes. Please get to talking about reads and scumhunting soon. | ||
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really... WTF. I don't understand how anyone in this game... scum or town... can call me mafia. so please help me understand why you are thinking this this game might end up being decided by this lynch. right now vanesco is likely to be lynched and the most you can say about him is that he's lynchbait? do you care about this "lynch bait" read of yours at all? when you're in mylo and you have a town read on the person about to be lynched you need to do more than simply call him lynchbait. | ||
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dislike dislike dislike I just read every single damn word of Ceph's filter including the WoS case and it all looks really good. Even the things that I disagreed with are well explained. (WoS case and no-lynch idea) If he's fabricating his thought process then he has gone to EXTREME lengths to do so. I still don't know why he'd fake claim. Yeah, if OO died to silver bullet then it'd be slightly more safe for scum to fake claim but it'd still be really risky. There's no reason for him to do so at the time... I don't see the motives behind a fake claim. Sylencia.. we still don't know WC votes from a few people that died, we can't confirm which votes are real yet, and you trying to guess at who people voted for is hearsay. If you want to convince town that Ceph is scum you're gonna have to do better than fabricating some WC votes to suit your purposes. like like like | ||
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The pants on head townie route is alright I guess.. but him coming up with this huge scumread on me out of nowhere based on nothing is a bit too pants on head for my liking. If he is trying to save a scumbud, the way he's doing it is probably the "safest" way. (acting like he knows who scum are but refusing to put real effort into the game under the guise of "nobody listens to me so town can fuck off." I think he's more likely to be scum than ceph/umasi but there are people whose scumminess is far more apparent and need to be lynched before him. | ||
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On November 12 2013 09:03 Sn0_Man wrote: Oh hey we lynched scum D2 i voted ceph/umasi You're not dumb. If you've read D3 then you know that lots of people are calling for your blood. I'm done giving you a pass for acting so carefree and idgaf about everything.... it's time to step up. At some point between now and the D4 lynch you need to give a full reads list and explain everything that you deem relevant to helping town figure out your alignment. I asked this out of both Umasi and Vanesco.. guess what? Vanesco didn't come through, and Umasi did. Now Vanesco is dead scum. | ||
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On November 12 2013 22:58 Koshi wrote: It makes 0 sense. 0. thrawn ask for the check plz. idk, I always defer to letting blues decide what to do and when to claim.. since they're the ones holding the information they probably have a better grasp on the situation than others | ||
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On November 12 2013 23:40 Hopeless1der wrote: uhh...so game is solved then isnt it? Sn0 and Syl are the only two with any reasonable suspicion remaining. concede plox, no it's not solved because rayn lies as town all the time | ||
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On November 12 2013 23:57 Koshi wrote: I am also midly amused by thrawn staring at his screen in pure disbelieve that Umasi is town for the past 25 minutes. Only able to ask rayn if he really isn't fakeclaiming. i know lol alright i'm probably afk for this cycle. rayn's probably not lying but he lied like 3 times in desert mini and I can't shake my bad feeling about it. i don't want to read filters and waste my time. i wrote a looooot of shit about umasi and afterwards felt really good about it and i was all ready to post that shit until I refreshed the page and saw rayn's post | ||
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On November 13 2013 00:05 Koshi wrote: People give rayn a lot of (unwarrented) shit about this fakeclaiming habbit. I wasn't there in Desert but I know he wouldn't do something this fucked up while being asked about it by his 100% townread. rayn is scum or they are both town. There is no way he lies about this atm. in desert he fakeclaimed mason or something like that right before the lynch to try and save the guy getting lynched who rayn was townreading | ||
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On November 13 2013 00:20 Sylencia wrote: LOL wow I was wrong, I feel dumb now ^-^ Sorry thrawn :D I'll catch up during the day if I'm alive, which I don't doubt I will be since I'm so scummy now D: why don't you just do it in this phase? somebody might die soon and they'd REALLY like to see something from you before that happens | ||
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-i'm gonna go ahead and assume that if rayn is town, he is not lying. i have pressured him so hard to "confess" and he hasn't -therefore... the only plausible reason rayn has to lie about umasi is if they are both scum -at the time when rayn first said he had a check there was very little suspicion on umasi, and close to none on rayn -at that time, snoman and sylencia were on track to being lynched -what reason would scum rayn have to try and "save" umasi? neither of them are in any trouble -therefore....... it doesn't make sense for scum rayn to do this. his green check on umasi would explain why he wrote that one of umasi/vanesco is mafia. after this coming nightkill (honestly the safest nk for scum is someone like koshi or hopeless if he's town) town will be at 4vs2 tomorrow which means 1 mislynch wins scum the game. so IF rayn and umasi are scum, all they have to do to win the game is mislynch sn0man or sylencia, and have both of their kills in this night phase and the next go through and they win. that option seems way easier than crazy fakeclaim business. so...... yeah. rayn/umasi are town I guess? all that being said I am still going to do due diligence on everyone, just to make sure. snoman, umasi, and sylencia, whichever of you are town and decide NOT to play the game you are 100% throwing the game away. | ||
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On November 13 2013 01:04 Sn0_Man wrote: Hmmm. So with 7 alive, and considering the game thus far, there are 3 people who could be scum, and 2 scum. Koshi/Syl/Hopeless are the options. I have a green pm, umasi has a green check (lel), rayn and thrawn aren't scum. A cursory glance at the voting yesterday inclines me to lynch Syl and Hopeless (Koshi was on the vanesco train in decent time, Hopeless was the DEAD LAST vote long after the lynch was secured, Syl was off in lala land). Of note, town literally cannot lose if we do not lynch me (assuming nobody pops up dead from silver bullets... fingers crossed). My fear then is that I'm getting lynched. At which point I feel we still have a decent shot but now we are rolling the dice. So I'll lynch any of Hopeless/Syl/Koshi based on that. I'll look at them a bit more in depth now. I am around and will be posting up-to and thru the night end. If somebody dies from silver bullet tonight we enter tomorrow at MYLO. So a no-lynch would actually be in order. That is awkward because all we lose is conftown... lol if I were town sn0man I would be WAAAAY more inclined to believe that rayn and umasi are mafia than what sn0man just posted here sn0man is scum guys | ||
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On November 13 2013 01:12 Sn0_Man wrote: ? If I were scum Sn0 I'd be screaming for rayn's blood not cutting him off from my lynch options for today lol. you are gonna have to do better than saying "i'm cool with lynching any of hopeless/koshi/sylencia" | ||
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On November 09 2013 01:27 Hopeless1der wrote: 'confirmed' town for giving away his witchcraft votes. I'd do the same, but them I'd be scum trying to seek free towncred. yeah this post is obviously bad. ofc the last sentence implies guilt and there's a contradiction in hope's thought process. if koshi giving away his WC votes makes him conftown, why would hopeless think it would be any different for him? if his first reaction to seeing those votes was "aight this guy's town" why wouldn't he give away his votes as well? his answer to that, that it would make him scum for trying to gain towncred, means that he KNOWS that it would probably be really easy to fake witchcraft votes. so if he knows it's easy to fake witchcraft votes why is he calling koshi conftown for doing it? On November 12 2013 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote: Koshi if at any point for the rest of the game you even insinuate that rayn is anything but town, you will be killed. Voting for the sake of majority will not count, but anything else, you die. Deal? This is your last chance to clear the air so to speak. scummy as fuck for a few reasons... - it means hopeless is ok with shutting down discussion about rayn - "voting for sake of majority" ....wait so it's ok if koshi votes for rayn if everyone else does first? but koshi isn't even allowed to hint at rayn being mafia? - it means hopeless is alright with a dumb policy lynch for REALLY dumb reasons.. that's even dumber than telling koshi not to talk about rayn On November 12 2013 23:40 Hopeless1der wrote: uhh...so game is solved then isnt it? Sn0 and Syl are the only two with any reasonable suspicion remaining. concede plox, I think it's weird that hopeless was 100% trusting of rayn's claim. I was *very* suspicious of it, adn upon seeing my suspicion koshi became suspicious as well. But hopeless believed it 100% when then guy he's been sheeping all game (me) didn't believe it all? | ||
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On November 13 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah hopeless could be scum. I overlooked his post about Koshi when they replaced and havn't really cared about him since (because of the "towntell" i talked about then). That's an interesting point of view you bring up about that very post thrawn. yeah i kinda glazed over it the first time... maybe because you were calling hopeless town for it :p | ||
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On November 13 2013 02:01 Hopeless1der wrote: thrawn why is me shutting down rayn discussion scummy? I see koshi going haywire I want it to stop so he doesnt muck up town did you think koshi was scummy for talking about rayn? if your angle was that you were suspicious of koshi for doing that, why wouldn;'t you want to question him about his rayn suspicions? why try and shut down discussion about it if koshi was potnentially mafia for his rayn comments? if you didn't think koshi was scum for doing it, why would you tell him you're going to lynch him if he doesn't stfu? it's not a realistic threat that you made so all in all your demands were very WTF | ||
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On November 13 2013 02:05 Hopeless1der wrote: empty threat, yes. I just wanted him to not waste time on rayn ok, so you didn't want him to waste time on rayn. so WHY did you tell him it was ok for him to vote for rayn if everyone else does? you are ok with other people talking about rayn but not koshi? only koshi isn't allowed to talk about rayn? | ||
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On November 13 2013 02:15 Hopeless1der wrote: I disappeared because to me, this game is over, save for perhaps Koshi not being town. But I think his panic oh shit heres all the info I have plz dont lynch was real. So he's town. As are you and rayn. Lynch Sn0, then Syl. gg everyone else so far has doubts that the game is truly over. do you really think it's as simple as lynching sno and syl without thinking twice? you are going to have to keep playing, you are going to have to provide cases on the people you want to lynch because if you're town, you're the only person who knows what your role pm said | ||
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SCUM PLAYERS PAY ATTENTION EVERYTHING I"M ABOUT TO SAY MAY OR MAY NOT BE MISDIRECTION blue guy should 100%%% protect koshi or myself. flip a coin and keep it to yourself. DO THIS. If mafia team thinks that koshi and myself each have a 50% chance of getting protected, they will be hesitant about shooting either of us. everyone in this thread knows I'm town, and I'm going to completely vouch for koshi. koshi_is_not_mafia_do_not_lynch_him_ever. rayn if you're blue, find a 3 sided coin and flip it to determine if you're going to save koshi, you, or me. SCUM PLAYERS READ THIS POST | ||
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On November 13 2013 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Scum can't shoot me because that confirms Umasi as town so noone should consider protecting me. You guys just win if i die rofl. :p Other than that i agree thrawn. honestly i dont give a fuck what the night actions are I just want scum to read that post or do I? | ||
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On November 13 2013 04:52 Sn0_Man wrote: Still reading buuuuuut I'm not leaning scum on Syl right now. All his posts so forgettable or something I'm pretty much ignoring your post re: koshi till daytime. AFAIK one of syl and koshi are scum, along with one of rayn and ET/Hopeless though. Right now I'm thinking hopeless as mentioned above but that could easily be confirmation bias. Rayn's play this game pretty disgusting if town. Considering he's claiming to be playing "for end-game cred" he's been CONSISTENTLY wrong so far about essentially everything (approaching d2 lynch). Except Umasi town, he's right about that lel. I was at least as wrong as anyone during D1-2. Am I scum? No.... you saying that rayn could be mafia because he was wrong way early in the game is laughable. And if rayn's town then his play has NOT been laughable, did you read D3 at all? Your reasons for being suspicious of rayn are not good at all, and the way you sorta avoid giving him a real read isn't convincing me that you're looking for scum. | ||
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On November 13 2013 04:52 Sn0_Man wrote: Still reading buuuuuut I'm not leaning scum on Syl right now. All his posts so forgettable or something syl's posts are forgettable.... you aren't leaving scum on syl.... what? | ||
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lynch sn0man, I don't like anything about anything he's done all game long. None of his scumhunting efforts today have convinced me. All the points he's brought up have been weak, he's not committing to reads, there are huge problems with his thought process (like saying syl's post are forgettable but not thinking that's suspicious).. etc. Lynch him tomorrow IMO. Maybe sylencia is next. But id sn0 flips scum then you have a loooong time to figure that out. It's hard for me to pinpoint why sylencia is scum because I've been focusing on hopeless and sn0man today. Hopeless's last few posts about "wishing I could somehow die to prove I'm town" feel genuine-ish. I would lynch sylencia over hopeless, but you have awhile to figure that out. koshi town rayn 98% town umasi ---- mindfuck (i guess he has to be town lol) ---- pressure him upon his return BTW sn0man, just refreshed and saw your reply, if sylencia is forgettable and such an enigma to you then I'd like to think that you wouldn't be so dismissive of him | ||
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On November 13 2013 04:52 Sn0_Man wrote: Still reading buuuuuut I'm not leaning scum on Syl right now. All his posts so forgettable or something On November 11 2013 16:12 Sn0_Man wrote: Something something weekend something something not at all convinced vanesco is scum. ##Vote: Vanesco I'll attempt to show up pre-lynch since I feel like syl's a better one but majority etc. i say bs! you aren't leaning scum on a guy who has forgettable posts and yet you were wanting to lynch him yesterday? wat? sn0 has been dancing around sylencia all day and saying his posts are forgettable, when he "wanted" to vote for him on d2. | ||
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On November 13 2013 07:32 Hopeless1der wrote: That sounds like he'd rather lynch syl than me guys. But then, there's his vote on me in what I see as an attempt to appeal to rayn to save him. can you please play better if you're town? there's only been one post of yours all day long that I've liked | ||
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On November 13 2013 07:32 Hopeless1der wrote: That sounds like he'd rather lynch syl than me guys. But then, there's his vote on me in what I see as an attempt to appeal to rayn to save him. and this post really made me cringe.... i felt like i needed to be tested for stds after I read it | ||
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On November 13 2013 07:55 Sn0_Man wrote: Hopeless is scum by PoE and since him and vanesco were pushing the exact same agenda for 2 days running. When asked about vanesco et called him "null or very slightly scummy" despite having exactly the same reads. Hopeless continued to sheep vanesco. I'm gonna do some rereading and see about this because it's pretty fucking damning | ||
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On November 13 2013 08:01 Sn0_Man wrote: EBWOP: as in, not sure that feels like a scumbuddy interaction... :/ there isn't any scum team combo that doesn't include bussing lol, but yeah I kinda agree.... meh | ||
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On November 13 2013 08:01 Sn0_Man wrote: EBWOP: as in, not sure that feels like a scumbuddy interaction... :/ Yeah Sn0_Man is town. I don't see him posting shit like this as mafia considering what his scum-objectives would be. Why would he be throwing doubt onto what would probably be the only mislynches he has left? His post at the top of this page is really goddamn genuine, same for everything he posted on the previous page. | ||
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On November 07 2013 20:41 Sylencia wrote: ##Vote Cephiro Hopeless is someone I'd be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him. It's pretty vital that that is kept in mind during the course of the day. Easy enough, nothing's changed since my post about him. OO's reads were pretty close to what I had as a list when he was alive too. In terms of what's happened during Day 2, stop trying to get at each others throats and go for the more probable targets. Rayn train is dumb imo, he's still townier than a lot of others. My question to syl at the end of that was: "sylencia why are you dismissing the onegu and hopeless lynches even though you yourself said you could lynch hopeless?" his response: On November 08 2013 10:37 Sylencia wrote: There have been what, 2 or 3 posts about Hopeless, the rest have been a massive 'rayn/onegu is scum' talk. How does that show that Hopeless is a probable target? It doesn't really, since no one is talking about him. In any case, my vote isn't weird at all considering there has been no defense from Ceph and we're already in the second half of day 2. I dunno why this town is so dead. He lost all desire to talk about or push the hopeless lynch after other people start doing it after D1. His defense was that hopeless isn't a probable D2 target despite a few people thinking he is, but sylencia didn't have any problem voting for ET during D1 when ET was even *less* of a probable target. syl + hope scumteam? | ||
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My first impression of h's recent bigass post is that everything in it reads like an advertisement, like he's trying to sell me something. I understand the need for persuasive writing but H lays it on a little to thick for my tastes. Secondly I really hate how many times hopeless has quoted me or name dropped me throughout this game to prove his points. When a townie buddies up to me I am usually very good about recognizing their townieness and it's a big part of how I play late game (my read on koshi for example) but when hopeless does it ..... eh. And finally, a lot of those points just aren't convincing! The stuff in the end feels like random jabs hopeless is throwing at Sn0 as part of his scummy marketing campaign. summary: a very pretty post, but I don't like it. it feels very fake, like scum desperately trying to look good during mylo | ||
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On November 13 2013 12:33 Umasi wrote: Sylencias been a good feel read for me at most stages through the game. He was obviously wrong regarding Cephiro, but hell, I followed his reasoning there. That said, he's been pretty ineffectual for a while, so I'm looking forward to Just to see how he's approaching things. why is hopeless your #1 read and who would you lynch out of sn0/sylencia? | ||
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On November 13 2013 13:00 Hopeless1der wrote: Thrawn, compare the filter exercise I had in my case on Sn0 (vanesco vs syl) with your analysis of Sylencia re: EchelonTee and his unwillingness to pursue a supposed scumread from the previous. Do you draw any parallels? I'm tired and I'm about 5 min from going to bed. You can do it and I'll read it later. | ||
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On November 13 2013 12:55 Hopeless1der wrote: I don't see the need for rayn to have claimed anything. There are no more blues. If he's fakeclaiming, he risks having the "real" blue cc him tomorrow. At this point that'd have to be you since Koshi died. I say tomorrow because a silver bullet might lay in wait. This scenario is both unlikely and requires town to no-lynch for it to be relevant (Since a mislynch endgames the town today). As things stood at the start of the night phase, today was likely to end up exactly as it turned out anyways, except with Umasi firmly off the table. The risk/reward is non-existent for Rayn in this situation in my opinion. Unless hes scum doing it for shits and giggles, they're both town imo. consider the fact that both rayn and umasi were both elected D1 and D2. They wouldn't have needed to "fake claim" having powers since they won the election. There'd be no risk of anyone counterclaiming. The reason I bring this up is because I don't like how you've been the only one not to doubt rayn's claim. What if they are both scum? What if only rayn is scum, and he's claiming something that's relatively safe to hide the fact that he's not a real blue? These points are things that were mentioned by koshi, sn0, and myself. During the time when rayn claimed everyone except you was at least a *little* suspicious of rayn or both rayn and umasi. Not being suspicious about every possibility during mylo does not make you look good. I'm leaving Umasi out of this discussion because he wasn't here for the discussion. | ||
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On November 13 2013 13:19 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm keeping a level head and maintaining my scumreads and you tell me I'm less town for doing so. Yes. 100% correct. I couldn't have put it better myself. This is mylo baby, it's time for everyone to go bat shit crazy and examine all possibilities. | ||
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On November 13 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sylencia seems to be both of Sno's & Hopeless' #2 for scum. hmm.. yeah that's what i was thinking. assuming one or both of you+onegu isn't scum lol one of hope/sn0 is scum. do you think both of them could be scum? if not do you think either of them would be going for a bus or a mislynch today? | ||
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On November 13 2013 20:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: If Sno and Hopeless are both scum lynching one of them today will not in any case buy them town credit imo. That's why. What is your opinion of H's megapost and subsequent posts | ||
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On November 13 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sylencia seems to be both of Sno's & Hopeless' #2 for scum. hmm.. well this isn't completely accurate. both of them are saying that syl is scum as much as their other scum read but yeah neither of them wanted to kill syl first. so if you and onegu are both town, and if I assume that neither of them would want to buss today then lynching sylencia first is the only reasonable option i need to think about those assumptions how fucked is it that sn0 and hopeless both went for each other. that's just goddamned annoying | ||
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On November 14 2013 02:48 Hopeless1der wrote: rayn/thrawn/umasi am I going to need to explain why Sn0 is scum again? Or does his defense post do that for you? i'm kinda tired of being the middle man for every single conversation. i'd rather you guys work it out | ||
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On November 14 2013 03:12 Hopeless1der wrote: I'd rather you come to the conclusion about Sn0's defense because you are significantly less likely to doubt your own findings. you have no idea how likely I am to doubt my own findings... look at my voting history from any game. this game as been hard as fuck for me because I was semi-forced (as in I don't want it) into the position of town leader due to me being the loudest voice and I wouldn't be surprised if I'm TLMafia's most indecisive player. I was responsible for the hzflank almost-lynch, I share at least half the fault of the gumshoe lynch with rayn, and I'm probably the most to blame for the onegu lynch since like half the player base straight up said they were going to sheep whatever I decided on D2. there have been moments in D4 where I have believed each of you and sn0, that's why I'm considering just lynching sylencia first. the only problem with that is that I've put lots of work into this game so I'm scared to leave the game deciding decision to whoever might be here if I die, and I'm still not completely sold on rayn or rayn+umasi. the only reason I still consider that last option is because I can point to parts of both yours and sn0's filter that make me think 'no fucking way is this a mafia post.' yeah this was a pretty useless post by me but eh... I don't really know what to talk about, I really wish that sylencia and umasi would.... you know... play mafia? | ||
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On November 14 2013 03:14 Sn0_Man wrote: Hows this gonna work lol our votes are pretty much secured already. Regardless of alignment both of us *must* construe the other one as scum. Whether we lynch Syl first or not is irrelevant. We can't "work it out" we simply have to hope you believe us. There is no world where me and hopeless can end up agreeing (except about lynching syl, which I kinda wonder why we aren't doing tbh). I'm town so I'd assume you'd believe me but I suppose there is a world where hopeless manages to be more persuasive than me. OK. Assume that rayn/ongeu/me are all town which seems to be what everyone is assuming. That means that there are 2 mafia in you/hope/syl. You and hopeless are both trying to get the other person lynched. If I also assume that whichever of you and hopeless is scum are NOT trying to buss and ARE trying to mislynch, that means that sylencia is a guaranteed red lynch. | ||
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On November 14 2013 03:12 Hopeless1der wrote: well you're kinda the person that needs to be convinced, but anything I say is poisoned already, so I don't know that its in our best interest to let me ramble on about how Sn0 is scum. I don't like his defense, I think its garbage and that it is easy to rip it to shreds. But I basically know he is scum, so that is an easy assessment for me to make. You on the other hand are still wondering which of the 3 of us are the remaining scum. I'd rather you come to the conclusion about Sn0's defense because you are significantly less likely to doubt your own findings. ok this is honest truth I liked sn0's defense as much as I liked your case, which was not very much o.0 | ||
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On November 14 2013 03:33 Hopeless1der wrote: post On November 14 2013 03:33 Hopeless1der wrote: spam On November 14 2013 03:34 Hopeless1der wrote: words i gave you major town points for this | ||
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On November 14 2013 05:32 Sn0_Man wrote: From memory, he pushed vanesco all game and sounded incredibly genuine. Also I've played with him where he played quite similarly as town though I'll admit that isn't too valuable. can you give me examples of his genuine play because my impression of his play is that the only thing he cared talking about all game was vanesco, he acts very wishy washy and uninterested in talking about anything else. his attitude while pushing vanesco does feel a little bussy because of how it's the only thing he talks about. he doesn't exactly push it, not really. it's more like "ha ha i know who scum is but i will let you guys tear yourselves apart while pretending to care about my scumread" | ||
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OK. now do rayn | ||
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Earlier today I was briefly entertaining the notion that rayn+umasi=scum, but that doesn't make any sense considering how wtf rayn's claim would have been. The only reason I have to think rayn is scum is because I thought umasi was, but since I don't think they are both scum I'm going with both town. I reread the case I was going to post about umasi and tbh it's pretty fucking awful. since hope+sn0 both went at each other the right move is voting for sylencia. That's ONLY if I think that a sn0/hope team wouldn't buss each other.... which leads me to ask.... rayn .... can I have your thoughts on a sn0+hopeless? It's pretty fucking weird how both of them decided to focus on the other, neither of them have said very much about sylencia. What is sn0man's motivation for only focusing on hopeless and what is hopeless's motivation for only focusing on sn0man? Why wouldn't either of them, as town, be trying to show us why both sylencia+other guy are mafia? They could have realized that their chances of mislynching sylencia are slim based on all the heat the two of them received during N3, so no matter who they push the remaining guy is gonna need some town cred for D5. If I were scum I'd be bussing the fuck out of my scumbuddy and playing for a later, but safer endgame. why would sylencia play D4 like this as town? why would sylencia play D4 like this as mafia? too much wtf in this game | ||
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On November 14 2013 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know. We can't do anything about it now and discussing it doesn't really help us finding mafia at this point. yeah i guess... just venting rayn can you read vanesco's filter next? it's pretty short. do you think he was bussing sn0man for the last half of his filter? another interesting thing in his filter is how he gave ET such a strong town read. that would lead me to think that they aren't a team but I can say the same about vanesco+sn0.... | ||
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sn0 and syl both want hopeless dead hopeless doesn't care who dies out of sn0 and syl imo that makes hopeless more townie? idk. | ||
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^^^^ that unvote has nothing to do with who I think is mafia... I think I'd just rather not show that card till much later | ||
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On November 14 2013 22:20 Sylencia wrote: @thrawn: i was leaning slightly to town. Just to be sure, if you were suspicious of rayn during night 1, why was he in your votes? Of course I'm town -_- I just can't figure out if he's trying to bus sn0 but was then given a chance to change votes so he jumped ship to a free win or what... we've been over this... I wasn't really suspicious of him when I voted. I sorta, kinda was during N1, and at the start of D1, but not right at the end of D1 which is when I voted. the other reason is that I had no reason, i was stoned and didn't care, and thought that if rayn's town I trust him to use blue powers better than anyone else would, if he's scum I truly didn't give a shit, due to being stoned.... :p | ||
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On November 14 2013 22:20 Sylencia wrote: @thrawn: i was leaning slightly to town. Just to be sure, if you were suspicious of rayn during night 1, why was he in your votes? Of course I'm town -_- I just can't figure out if he's trying to bus sn0 but was then given a chance to change votes so he jumped ship to a free win or what... what do you think about sn0man? if you're town, at some point you are gonna have to convince us that sn0 is scummier than you, not just hopeless what do you think about rayn's green check on umasi? | ||
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On November 14 2013 22:41 Sylencia wrote: towards town Because you were one of the main people who consistently looked for suspicious posts, but then I guess I had doubts during a few filter dives and saw early d1 cases that made me think "What if we're all wrong" so I had that thought kinda just in the back of my mind the entire time =\ not good enough I think it's completely ridiculous for anyone to think I was mafia during D3, so you're gonna need to do a better job of explaining your "doubts" | ||
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On November 14 2013 22:37 Sylencia wrote: I'll look at him now, but your wording still makes me worried here. Shouldn't you be saying "you're going to have to convince us that sn0 is scum not you"? why thrawn why -_- No. There are 2 scum left. If you're town, say we lynch hopeless today like you suggest. There is going to be a day after that where you will have to show us why we should lynch sn0man instead of you. I'm only asking that you do it now so that we can try to read you. | ||
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On November 14 2013 22:55 Sylencia wrote: Seeing both hopeless and sn0 essentially say "Don't shoot me or we lose" is really sad btw lol it's more worrying that you aren't saying that o.0 | ||
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On November 14 2013 23:36 Sylencia wrote: I tried but honestly, I'm coming up blank. Only thing I can say is that at least half of the town has thought sn0 as being scum this entire game, and there is probably good reasoning behind it. I am just not seeing it. this is true. it is also true that sn0man has avoided every lynch despite everyone thinking he's mafia. if half the town has always thought that sn0 was scum then why has he not been "mislynched?" On November 14 2013 23:36 Sylencia wrote: I don't blame you guys if I get lynched, I'll take the blame but that can probably be delayed by 72 hours if Hopeless dies. If I wake up, it'll be ~15 minutes before deadline but no guarantees. Sorry I let the team down ;-; imo this is the least townie post out of all the "mislynch me means losing" posts that have been made today I'm not willing to give my opinion on hopeless vs sn0man yet, but for now ##vote: sylencia | ||
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If syl is town, that means he KNOWS who the scum are. It has to be hopeless and snoman from his POV. If you KNOW who scum are, when you read their filter you're going to have HUGE confirmation bias and every single post will look scummy as fuck. The fact that sylencia isn't able to come up with good reasons why sn0man is mafia (or even that I'm mafia if you think it's reasonable for him to suspect me) means that he is NOT experiencing confirmation bias, which means he is NOT a townie. sylencia doesn't want us to lynch sn0man today sn0man and hopeless both (at least initially) wanted to lynch the other THEREFORE SYLENCIA SCUM | ||
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On November 06 2013 01:43 Sn0_Man wrote: Nobody's around or something this happened yesterday too then I get flamed because I'm afk or something. I'm fairly open to an Onegu lynch. That guy martyrs as scum all the time. I haven't identified anybody else I really want to lynch. Rayns points against ET make sense and all but at the same time if ET is scum he's successfully changed a lot of things about his scum play in the last... week. Which is eminently possible I guess, I mean I give him that much credit. OO's still scum but thrawn sez he's not so I'm not sure where to go with that one. Considering its majority lynch I don't think i'll waste anybodies time with him today. Coming up with 3 townreads is pretty hard when they can't just be the obvious candidates rayn's points against ET make sense. ok. so that implies you are at least moderately suspicious of ET... but you're going to dismiss this suspicion just because he would have had to change up his scum game within a week? wait nvm no you're not, because you give ET enough credit that you think he could do that? annnnnnnd no conclusion or any kind of actual read given at the end of all that. sounds like bs to me. OO is scum... up till this post you'd been pretty vocal about him being scum and acting like he'd be who you want to lynch... oh wait no you're going to completely trust thrawn and ignore your top scumread..... more bs there's no reason given for your desire to lynch onegu other than that he martyrs as scum all the time. lets see where line of reasoning goes (next series of quotes are all taken from sn0's very next post) On November 06 2013 02:36 Sn0_Man wrote: Last game I gave him a townread for something and he said stuff like "don't give me a townread for that" and shit. Maybe not full martyr but the mindset is the same. Its "Would scum throw away "towncred" like this? Would scum call attention to themselves like this? Of course not". Its how Onegu plays. yea, more bs. scum onegu saying "don't give me a townread" in one game = scum onegu martrys all the time, therefore lets lynch him? hmm... yeah that's bs. lets see if you have more reasons to vote onegu because so far your onegu push ain't looking good. On November 06 2013 02:36 Sn0_Man wrote: I'll admit that I often get the same vibes from his townplay and in general I have real difficulty reading Onegu, but I'd argue that that makes him a serious liability to have moving into the late game. And he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town. you have trouble reading him and he hasn;t done anything to make you think he's town. those sound like good reasons to lynch him oh wait no they don't. carrying on.... On November 06 2013 02:36 Sn0_Man wrote: I mean, if he IS town, then he wants to die so we should oblige him and solve that questionmark. If he is scum, then we lynch scum. It feels like the right move right now. ಠ_ಠ | ||
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On November 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't really think Hopeless and Sno are scum together. If they are they've been doing some awesome jos in throwing shit at each other on this day phase. FINAL ANSWER! do you want to change the lynch? honestly i don't really care thaaat much, I'm just trying to think about happens during D5 when one (or maybe both who the fuck knows) of us isn't around. if sn0 and syl are mafia I think sn0 would be the best at being persuasive on D5 and yeah, sn0+sylencia final answer version 3.0 for me as well | ||
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THIS IS MY MESSAGE TO UMASI hi umasi. if future you is reading this, there is a good chance I'm dead If you are seeking guidance, go read the big post I made about sn0man above this one. he is scum, you should lynch him | ||
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"why did rayn vote sn0man while having a green check on umasi and saying that one of umasi and vanesco must be scum?" | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + whatever rayn. i've been burned by like 3 of your town fake claims in the past so idgaf. i'm gonna post that shit anyway On November 12 2013 15:45 Umasi wrote: I won witchcraft N2 Tracked Cephiro, he didn't visit anyone I have a pretty solid amount of work coming up in the next few days, will be largely participate, will try to get in when I can. I guess in revelation of cephiro being town, I'm less sold on Sylencia being town...Although I'm still loathe to go down that path and lynch Syl. That said, it basically leaves Sn0 and one of koshi/hopeless for me, although I'll bounce Syl/koshi/hopeless around. Kinda weird how Vanesco was 'suspicious' of Sn0, so...idk if that frees him from suspicion or not, but it's a mark in his favor imo. ('suspicious' isn't meant to implicate sn0, just how vanesco couldn't have been legitimately suspicious of anyone.) Ok here's why I didn't like this post. He doesn't give any solid scum reads. At this stage in the game, after 3 cycles, 80 pages, and only a few people left in the game, how can he not have a scumread? I think that all townies should have at least 1 person that they are extremely suspicious of so it's odd that Umasi doesn't. He talks about being "less sold on sylencia being town" and he bounces some other names around... but nowhere in that post does he really talk about anything regarding scumhunting or reasons why someone could be mafia. It's as if Vanesco has been the only read he really wanted to talk about all game, and now that Vanesco is gone he doesn't have anything to talk about. I finished reading his filter and my impression of his filter is the same as my impression of his last post. His only real contributions are talking about Vanesco... anytime he talks about anyone he is so so soooo wishy washy. His night actions don't look good either. His roleblock of rayn was terrible. He says he did it because... "I jailed rayn because he was pretty townie throughout day one in terms of activity/pressure/etc, but scummy for the gumshoe swap, and didn't feel quite right.. so if he was town I figured he'd be in danger, and if he was scum I might block an action, so win-win." His stated motives are way too ambiguous for that to have been his preferred action! I expect a witch's 1st choice to be extremely well thought out, does that look thought out at all? On November 10 2013 15:48 Umasi wrote: Cephiro has done nothing to make me more or less suspicious since the lynch occurred. More annoyed, since I was also looking forward to his claiming strat, but it can't be helped I suppose. Still prefer vanesco as a lynch ##vote: vanesco I stand by my earlier claim that this post suggests he doesn't care about the lynch at all. I think what I said was something along the lines of unemotional wishy washy uninterested scumminess? In summary, Umasi has been extremely wishy-washy all game about anyone that isn't Vanesco. His night actions are odd.... yeah this bro's scum, methinks. | ||
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On November 15 2013 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: You can't imagine how sad i was when i killed you. fuck you buddy! + Show Spoiler + gg | ||
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On November 15 2013 07:33 Umasi wrote: Idk if you'd say wishy-washy, I was pretty uncapitulating on the entire 'vanesco is scum' thing I just didn't push it hard :| but yeah if rayn hadn't green claimed I'd be dead yeah that's what I was trying to say. you weren't wishy washy about Van, but the way you pushed that case made me think of scum kushm4sta's "haha i'm smart I know who scum are" busses. you were wishy washy about everything else, those two points combined made it look like a buss. | ||
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