EPTPussy scumteam. :D
Be back later for more analysis. Will look into OO's filter as well.
GG good sir.
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WaveofShadow
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Pussy scumteam. :D Be back later for more analysis. Will look into OO's filter as well. GG good sir. | ||
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ObviousOne
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WaveofShadow
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Should I bother? | ||
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thrawn2112
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thrawn2112
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WoS/Sn0 are kinda in the same category for me. I can read their posts and easily predict what they're going to say next because their posts make it easy for me to see into their thought process. Their reactions to things are often exactly how I imagine they'd be. It's not about completely seeing eye to eye on everything, it's that for whatever reason both of them are like an open book. I am most sure about WoS. Sn0 only needs to talk more so I can be sure he's not faking it. I just read Umasi's filter over and over and I think he's town. He had an awkward start imo, but I have to give him points for sticking to his guns about Van as long as he did in the face of so much opposition. I really like page 2 of his filter, specifically everything leading up to the lynch. This is a hard sentiment to convey to people who weren't there, but during the lynch I felt like he was trying to be helpful and figure things out. hzflank. I stand by my earlier remark that a scum player who just narrowly avoided a lynch wouldn't be so casual about displaying his amusement for all the thread to see. When it was looking like he was about to die he had just the right "yeah I know I'm about to be lynched and that sucks but I'd still like to help" attitude. I feel VERY confident about all the above reads. EchelonTee. It's time for me to eat my hat because I I just read his whole filter, something I don't think I've done since before rayn's case and as I'm looking at it now I'm seeing everything differently. Previously I was thrown off by his anger at being accused which seemed real enough, but on this read through I realized it doesn't really look like "townie anger." By that I mean it looks like he actually is mad because he's being accused of being scum for shit reasons that aren't true. Imo this is very different than when a townie gets mad, there's always a hint of paranoia in their anger and you can often feel their frustration or depression. The kind of scum anger I'm talking about is like "fuck this guy, he's right about me being scum but for all the wrong reasons so fuck him, he's stupid." THAT is the kind of anger that I sense when I read ET's posts. Here are some examples.. + Show Spoiler + On November 05 2013 14:45 EchelonTee wrote: That was the very beginning of the game. I wanted Syl to talk. It did not succeed because apparntly I am supposed to expect that Syl will not respond rationally to questions. On November 05 2013 17:54 EchelonTee wrote: I don't get the point of trying to play well and trying to improve when people are going to self-vote and simply state that they don't care enough about the game to contribute. A lot has gone on and it should not be difficult to find at least one person scummier than the others. On November 06 2013 03:09 EchelonTee wrote: Fuck the meta analysis. Fine my case was shit, I didn't know that thrawn was smurfing that game. I already indicated I would back away from my case if I had made a mistake so I think it's completely messed up that you are arguing I am twisting information when I am trying to be as reasonable as possible. I can't believe that you are trying to push a lynch on me at this stage in the game when there is almost no chance I will be lynched. You are contributing to a no-lynch and had better get off of me right now. My main point about thrawn has always been that he didn't do anything, which he himself acknowledges. I guess that's fine in Mafia these days. Vote people who are trying to do things and ignore people who do nothing. I am paying attention and am not making up things on the fly. I'm extremely, extremely insulted that you claim so. Compare my 1:1 with other players to the game and seriously, I'm the one who isn't paying attention to thread? I'm the most scummy to you? I don't even know what to say. I disagree that gumshoe's interactions/contributions are fake, and therefore I'm scum. Seriously. ##Unvote What I feel from that is the anger comes from him being frustrated that he's trying his hardest to play a good scum game, but there are townies who in his opinion are playing like idiots and getting away with it. Rayn I should have listened to you but you started off this game playing so fucking weirdly that I don't think I was of the mindset to trust anything you said in D1. On the topic of rayn's case against ET.... Anyone who's played with me in the past KNOWS that even though I often end a game with a huge tryhard filter, I do NOT always take the game seriously. Anyone who does any meta research should know this. Yes, you'll see the occasional wall-of-text serious post like the one I'm typing now, but I put out about as much stupidity as I do seriousness. So how could ET possibly think I am some super serious mafia player who never trolls around or makes silly or useless posts? I do it all the time! While trying to categorize me as someone who will always write legitimate cases, he used this example from one of my past games to show how much different my play in this game was from my "normal" town play: On March 06 2013 02:11 thrawn2112 wrote: prom -not reading the thread (less than 10 pages wtf) -taking things that happened early game super seriously -not being my friend oh this is interesting so i guess he was reading the thread and knew about me not reading my role pm at the start.... yet he is trying to judge my alignment.... - -wtf could he have possibly been talking about in regards to the questions about thrawn -taking things that happened early game super seriously -the above point, while trying to act all silly himself... it reminds me of hapa's seal posts -not being my friend scum lol does that look like a serious tryhard case to anyone? Did ET even bother reading that post before including it in his case? So what rayn's earlier point, and what my point now is, is that if ET had done any real meta research at all he would definitely NOT have written the case against me that he did. Another thing he criticized me for was my "unexplained" vote for rayn. I have issue with that, that it was unexplained, but I don't really even care about that. Back to the meta research, if he'd done research into my town games he'll find that they're chock-full of stupid-ass unexplained votes. So once again, the case ET wrote against me is NOT a case that anyone who'd done meta research would write. I may or may not finish this imediately and cover everyone, but for now I wanna see what the thread has to say. The reads I gave here are the ones I'm most confident about. Everyone else is some random shade of null. ##unvote ##vote:hopeless1der lol i'm sorry hopeless but that's just how it is  | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On November 07 2013 11:07 thrawn2112 wrote: oh fuck WoS you are probably gonna be pretty pissed ? | ||
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thrawn2112
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I'm gonna have to bail on that rayn-train lol | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On November 07 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote: I'm gonna have to bail on that rayn-train lol Yeah forgive me if I don't have a lot of confidence in you atm---your train was originally going to be OO. I'll look at your case and I still want to look at OO. Oh and I guess quick thoughts expanding on the NK. It may be obvious but I'll state it anyway: scum were likely afraid of protection. Even so the fact that they chose OO of all people as their option either means we're in good shape in that scum are having trouble picking off people who look extremely towny but unlikely to get protected, or bad shape in that scum are AMONG those we think are towny. In any case I agree that OO going down was very good for us because he was sure to be the object of at least SOME scrutiny today and my townread from early D1 was waning rapidly. | ||
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Onegu
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On November 07 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like this is what Onegu did in Desert final day: And we did not lynch him for it. :p Anyways good night. This is such BS I played that game well, I made this one slip at the end and then worked my way out of it to not get lynched. And In hogwarts the only person with a scum read on me was the vigi and mostly because I had a red check. When people call me scum for BS meta usally flip scum (ie FirmTofu in persona) 2 people have done it so far this game sn0 and now rayn. | ||
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Less talk about yourself, more talk about others. Plenty happened in the time you were gone, comment on something. DO something. ##Vote: rayn | ||
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Onegu
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On November 06 2013 06:54 hzflank wrote: Tbh I'd also be down with an Onegu lynch if needs be, certainly preferable to my own lynch. Why were you down my lynch you only mentioned me marytring and never said how that was alignment indicative. | ||
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Onegu
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On November 06 2013 06:32 hzflank wrote: Oh don't worry, people's votes on me make no sense, therefore I am relying on them not sticking. For example, WoS tends to think that people are town when they are reading the game in a similar fashion to him, right? Remember when I pushed you and WoS said "I was going to do that" or when I read Syl and WoS said they he read it the same way I did? WoS does not think I am scum, WoS wants me to be scum because I offended him and/or he saw my ego in full effect when he coached me. His vote can still change. As for Thrawn and ET, well they are defaulting to me because they have no one better to vote for and they did not like my case on Sn0. The thing is, if you read me carefully you will noticed that my case on Sn0 was never meant to be pushed. In that portion of the game I actually thought that Umasi and ET were scum. The case on Sn0 was an attempt to engage him which failed. The case was also an attempt to make people view him in a more negative light so that I could see what people said about him when he appeared to be a somewhat easy lynch. People don't really think that I am scum yet still want to lynch me D1. Reminds me of the White flag game that just ended I really dont like this post either, looking at this some of the votes on you did make sense. Your vote on umasi early was forced imo. The second part I dont understand at all, ok he agrees with you on somethings, why does that make him have to have a town read on you when he disagrees with you on other things. | ||
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Onegu
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##VOTE RAYN | ||
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thrawn2112
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I see you spend time making hzflank out to be scum, you decide that rayn is scum for letting the scum hzflank slip through? Why not just vote for hzflank then? Oh right, because WoS is already pushing a rayn lynch. Did I get that right? | ||
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Onegu
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On November 07 2013 13:14 thrawn2112 wrote: Onegu are you mafia? I see you spend time making hzflank out to be scum, you decide that rayn is scum for letting the scum hzflank slip through? Why not just vote for hzflank then? Oh right, because WoS is already pushing a rayn lynch. Did I get that right? I think they are both scum.... I just pointed that out.... I am ok with either lynch. | ||
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On November 07 2013 13:18 Onegu wrote: I think they are both scum.... I just pointed that out.... I am ok with either lynch. You think it's likely that Rayn went all-out on you to save his scumbuddy hzflank from the noose. That's fucking terrible. | ||
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