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On November 05 2013 17:52 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 17:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 05 2013 17:32 EchelonTee wrote:On November 05 2013 17:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
onegu is town methinks
EchelonTee is there anything you want to talk about respond to my case. since you yourself stated that you prefer to be the center of attention. The list: I was not making a list of who isn't lurking with the promise to attack lurkers. I wasn't even making a list of anti-lurkers. I was making a list of anyone who (including lurkers, obviously) wasn't committing to conversation. So the people not on the list includes both lurkers and people like yourself, who at the time I didn't feel like they'd done anything meaningful. The list even included some people who were borderline lurking but at least had made some type of impression on me. The only purpose of such a list is to hopefully intimidate people not on the list to dip their toes farther into the water. Rayn vote: If you've really gone through my town games like you appear to then you should see my rayn vote is very much like something I'd do. And you're wrong, I do give my reasoning and I do not regret having my vote on rayn. I think if you read all of my posts about rayn then you can see a clear progression of my read. Everything else: Sorry I just don't take the game seriously 100% of the time, especially when I'm bored. LOL btw I looked at one of my cases you linked as evidence of how I can write a serious case, and one of my points against prom was that he wasn't being my friend. That whole post was kinda trollish, I'm kinda wondering why you used that as an example because there are probably a lot better ones to pick from. With you claiming to have done meta research on me yet you can't see my rayn vote coming from a town thrawn makes me think you went looking into my meta already knowing the outcome of your results. You said you would focus on them, but I don't see any focus on you. I did not do intensive meta research. I skimmed your posts, but did not skim rayn's posts. If I missed some huge, obvious interaction that shows that you must be town and rayn believes so, I could back off for now. There might've been better examples but I'm not going to spend hours poring over your meta. I picked the first example I saw that looked like a real case. I don't see you making any real cases and your excuse is that you're bored. I don't know the point of trying harder if it's clear that you don't really care and are too bored to play. If you think I am scum, please state so instead of lightly insinuating it. I'd like to know who you want to lynch, if you're not too bored to say something of use.
Oh there it is ROFL
Yeah
No.
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On November 06 2013 00:32 Vanesco wrote:
Ok, back (for an hour or so).
Echelon has been one of my most townie reads for a large majority of this game. I agree with his point that the second time that thrawn votes ryan it is not given reason as to why really. Yes it seems more like pressure but I think its possible he just misinterpreted that. The rest of the points seem to more about meta game things, which since I know none of you I can't get too involved in that. However the accusations on the meta seem very weak to me. I do only agree that maybe his case on gumshoe is fairly weak. Just because somebody shows effort and contribution by making a long post does not mean they cannot be scum, however the way I read it is that he thinks gumshoe is at least providing more pro town content than thrawn. It seems that there has been no real agreement on a target and as such I still think thrawn is the best vote. I will try to come online during work near the post deadline to see if anything sways my opinion, and since I will be on my phone and short pressed on time, I will give any vote changes reasoning once I return home.
Reals? That's pretty strong language for a day 1.
Second bold: Starting to see the call for consolidation but it's buried in this mega paragraph. Left his vote parked and came in during the aftermath to start dissecting how things went down at the end of the day.
On November 06 2013 11:57 Vanesco wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 11:41 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 06 2013 11:33 Vanesco wrote:On November 06 2013 11:17 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 06 2013 11:09 Vanesco wrote:
Ok I'm back now and have caught up on the latest happenings. I find it very disturbing that all of the votes that are put on gumshoe happen within the timespan of only the last 10 minutes of the day. This seems like a rushed decision and in all of the chaos I would assume that there was probably at least 1 mafia in there.
Before the voting spree there were no votes on gumshoe, however hzflank was starting to gain traction with a total of 6 votes at that moment. Just one vote away from being a majority vote, thrawn decides to unvote and vote for gumshoes. thrawn is also the one to start the votes on hz and claims it to just be a placeholder. However his change right when hz is about to get the majority vote is interesting. It seems to be a deflection and since gumshoe hasn't been super active during the game he would be a good target. Also the last person to vote on hz was infact gumshoe. It seems like it is a possibility that thrawn saw an opportunity to take off on gumshoe because of his late vote and him being a good target that people might be willing to go for. It seems like thrawn is trying to deflect off of hz and onto gumshoe in my opinion. It just seems like too much of a coincidence to not at least take into account.
Basically after that rayn, hz, umasi, echelon, sno, and cephiro kinda just jump on without stating a reason why (very little time so kinda understandable). Now that you don't only have 5 minutes to explain your vote, I would like to hear all of you (everybody who voted on him) why you decided to vote on gumshoe. I don't know what you're accusing me of. Yeah, I was the first person on both wagons. So what? Are you saying I tried to save hzflank by switching to gumshoe? This only makes sense if hz is mafia, but then why would I have even tried to get hz lynched in the first place? I voted for gumshoe because I changed my mind about hz after seeing what looked like honest posts right before the deadline. Gumshoe also came in at a hilariously bad timing, and he was sorta the only person that it looked like people would agree to lynch. You need to understand that I don't think that many people actually preferred gumshoe, but because people like yourself weren't there to help us figure out the lynch we had to choose between shitty options. Right at the end there it was either hz, gum, or no lynch. If you think we should have done a better job maybe you'll be around next time to help? You don't really end up voting for him because you really think he is scum. You even say that you use him as a placeholder and afterwards you explain your read on him here but even in that case you say that you are hesitant on him. It's alright to change ones mind, I'm just pointing out that it happened at a very crucial time and seems very much like a possible coincidence. And are you attacking me? I gave previous reasons as to why I would not be available well in advance. Correct, when I voted for him I did not think he was scum, as I stated in the vote post. At that point in the game I was using process of elimination to decide on a lynch and hzflank was one of the people I ruled out. I went and researched his filter, and it turned out there were things in his filter that made me actually want to lynch him which is why I stuck with my vote and tried to convince others to go along with it. And yes I was attacking you, not because I think you're scum (which I don't) but because it's really fucking annoying to be in the thread for like 4 solid hours before the lynch deadline desperately trying to put together a lynch when hardly anyone is around, and then later people who weren't around to help blame the people who were there. Don't get me wrong thrawn, I'm not putting any blame on you. I just posted that it is very coincidental and should be taken note off. The fact that you think I'm blaming you I think is more to do with the fact that you probably expect some type of blame to be put on you because you were the first to post the voting bus on gumshoe and that I also gave you as my biggest scum read. I'll try to summarize my first post in much shorter words. The vote seems rushed and rushed usually means a good time for scum to start jumping, therefore I feel like at least 1 vote should have come from scum. The interaction that took place should be noted off because of how coincidental it seems. Everybody who voted on gumshoe should give reasons why.
Doesn't blame thrawn, just casually pointing out that thrawn started the "voting bus" on gumshoe.
I'll let that sink in. How often do you think the word bus at town?
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On November 06 2013 02:50 Sn0_Man wrote:
EXCEPT in frustration. Which is what I said.
Onegu didnt read like he was frustrated so much to me iunno. I'll give you that it sounded different when I read it again in his filter.
At least thrawns here I can sheep somebody.
"like he was frustrated"
On November 05 2013 05:14 Sn0_Man wrote:
you didn't sound mad you sounded afraid.
"sounded afraid"
Is this what passes as scum hunting to you Sn0?
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dude I am not getting good vibes from these posts... I especially hate it when people quote my posts and tell me how right I was or whatever.. makes me fukn nervous.
Anyways, I'm not sure what conclusion you're going for with all of this so as soon as you reach one and want some feedback let me know.
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On November 06 2013 03:51 EchelonTee wrote:
pros to no lynch -
potential (not-guaranteed) extra day of three blues
scum has 1 extra target
cons -
less information than a lynch (a lynch gives more information than a no-lynch, self-explanatory)
0 chance of killing scum
I don't think we will have more direction tomorrow unless we get extremely lucky dodging bullets and making good actions. I don't think a no-lynch is a good idea.
I could get on board with hzflank. reading him through
This sounds in my head like "He's not scum with me so that's cool." God I really want to lynch ET right now.
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On November 06 2013 14:26 ObviousOne wrote:
God I really want to lynch ET right now.
I don't think I buy this at all... refer to my above post and get back to me. If you want to call ET scum then go ahead and do it instead of posting a quote here, a snide comment there.
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On November 06 2013 14:28 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 14:26 ObviousOne wrote:
God I really want to lynch ET right now. I don't think I buy this at all... refer to my above post and get back to me. If you want to call ET scum then go ahead and do it instead of posting a quote here, a snide comment there.
you can't tell me what to do you're not my real dad
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On November 06 2013 14:28 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 14:28 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 06 2013 14:26 ObviousOne wrote:
God I really want to lynch ET right now. I don't think I buy this at all... refer to my above post and get back to me. If you want to call ET scum then go ahead and do it instead of posting a quote here, a snide comment there. you can't tell me what to do you're not my real dad
yeah ok
we can do it this way which ends up with me pushing your lynch over everything else D2 or we can actually play mafia?
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On November 06 2013 14:31 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 14:28 ObviousOne wrote:On November 06 2013 14:28 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 06 2013 14:26 ObviousOne wrote:
God I really want to lynch ET right now. I don't think I buy this at all... refer to my above post and get back to me. If you want to call ET scum then go ahead and do it instead of posting a quote here, a snide comment there. you can't tell me what to do you're not my real dad yeah ok we can do it this way which ends up with me pushing your lynch over everything else D2 or we can actually play mafia?
Bitch, I haven't been mislynched since the fourth game from the bottom in my filter. Even martyring people couldn't mislynch me despite being 1 vote away in Carnival Cruise. You could stop your complaining and let me do what I'm doing if you want my thoughts or you can threaten me with this nonsense and bring me away from what I'm in the middle of (which is precisely what you're asking for: recap of how the mislynch went down and the reasons for my scum read on ET). You pick.
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ET can you please get in here and respond to the people making cases on you (rayn/OO.)
OO go ahead and finish. I also want to know what you currently think about sn0man. (also it would be a lot better if you could consolidate your posting instead of making a post for each single point of information)
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Contributions towards the gumshoe lynch in the second half of the day:
+ Show Spoiler [stuff you don't have to read] +[Sum of my interactions with gumshoe up through his conceding to my explanations against his accusations] On November 05 2013 17:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe's contributions in Basterd have a clear point, are transparent and every time they reach to a hard conclusion. None of those things happen in this game and half of his filter anyways is useless because it's about fake case that either serves no purpose if he is town or he just fucked up and is making stuff up if he is scum. hzflank goes unphased as he becomes the primary "placeholder" candidate and explains why WoS isn't set on lynching him. Vague finger-pointing at various people including: On November 06 2013 06:43 hzflank wrote:
Then you have people like OO who apparently think that ET is scum but is voting Sn0 for an old reason that never had much behind it. Or you have someone like Onegu who is martyring. And somehow my lynch is better than theirs. Now, I have no done much this game but I have made a few good points. I fail to see how my lynch is the best lynch and if it is going through so easily then you would expect that scum are happy with it, or that it is somehow scum motivated. The Rektoning Begins - gumshoe appears with a few words and a vote plus a youtube video I'm not going to watch. First Vote - Thrawn - the situation suddenly becomes hzflank versus gumshoe. Rayn's flippant comment regarding the why is the catalyst for the incident. No reasoning given with the vote. No prior vote on gumshoe. Umasi indicated willing to switch - the situation has come down to "who is the easiest to get lynched" at this point instead of "who is scum". Gumshoe claims he's been around working on something but not posting. - The thought that should be going through people's minds is why would scum admit anything of the sort? Yadda yadda bunch more votes; you know how to read a vote count.
Apprehensive ones:
+ Show Spoiler [apprehension] +On November 06 2013 06:54 Cephiro wrote:
Fuck, I dozed off. X_X
So suddenly people want a gumshoe lynch? I really don't like the idea of that tbh. On November 06 2013 06:54 hzflank wrote:
Tbh I'd also be down with an Onegu lynch if needs be, certainly preferable to my own lynch. On November 06 2013 06:54 EchelonTee wrote:
That's so bad. gumshoe. fuck. Don't think we should lynch hzflank
##: unvote On November 06 2013 06:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
1 more or something
lol
this is awful On November 06 2013 06:59 Cephiro wrote:
##unvote
##vote: gumshoe
I swear this is gonna end up badly.
Okay so Cephiro stands out as the most apprehensive to lynching gumshoe. I don't know if it's because he's got a town read on gumshoe or what, but he didn't seem to want to be the last one on the vote list and only came around at the 11th hour to prevent a no-lynch.
My analysis of the town situation is that nobody wants to step up and be responsible as the town leader in a game where that town leader could stand to receive a large number of town reads and thus witchcraft votes leading to a situation where scum would be confident in shooting that town leader on top of whoever their KP is directed at. This is keeping town from meaningful progress on a timeline that promotes rational discussion.
No real pushback against the gumshoe lynch, which I suspect might have occurred had this been discussed hours before-hand instead of what looks to be the last 9 minutes of the day cycle. None of the votes came with reasoning, so I'm assuming everyone felt that gumshoe's confession to having been around was ample enough reason to vote.
On November 06 2013 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 06:55 gumshoe wrote:
You all do realize I could have sat back and watched the no lynch go through / : besides I always ninja vote, get killed for it, and have never once flipped scum. Meh while this is true, it's not alignment indicative because of HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH! WoS knows what i am talking about.
What the fuck does this even mean?
Cephiro doesn't seem to have a scum read on him at any point in the game. He's mentioned mostly discussion with WoS.
Post-lynch regret which I usually associate with scum:
On November 06 2013 07:06 Cephiro wrote:
.... Yeah. Call me stupid for not stubbornly going against the majority.
Well, at least I showed fellow town I'm ready to co-operate even if I don't completely agree on something. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing to be honest.
Also I'm gonna go sleep right now to get my rhythm fixed, I'm tired. I'll respond all the "lolcephhammer" -accusations that will surely come in the morning.
Thrawn and rayn also picked up on this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20142693 and the post after.
On November 06 2013 06:59 Sn0_Man wrote:
"Pretend"
As in pretend that gumshoe was about to die and give us his last reads. Like he knew that the final vote would be coming in. The apprehension displayed by Cephiro could be waiting on the green light for voting gumshoe, in which case I would venture to say there are at least 2, possibly three scum with Cephiro, voting for gumshoe. Like maybe all of the last three on that list? [//at this point put your pants on your head along with me]
This is what I feel like we're at right now:
gumshoe (7): ObviousOne, raynpelikoneet, thrawn2112, raynpelikoneet, hzflank, Umasi, EchelonTee, Sn0_Man, Cephiro
It explains the apprehension and incentive to feel regret for the lynch by cephiro, lines up with my other thoughts regarding the game.
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hmm. the mafia team is ET Sn0 and Ceph because.....
starting point >>> ceph is the most nervous about the lynch
-cephiro was apprehensive
-maybe he's apprehensive becuase he's waiting for his team to green light gum's death
-there's probably 2 scumbuddies causing all of sn0's apprehension
-therefore all 3 scum are talking about the gumshoe lynch in the scum qt as it's going down
-since all 3 scum are around for the lynch they must have all voted gumshoe at some point
conclusion>>> 3 scum were on the mislynch
That is absolutely terribad, are you really trying to sell me on this? You're making assumptions each step of the way, assumptions that need only be made if you're trying to justify your conclusion about who the 3 scum are.
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I went back and looked through your post to see if you have other reasons for calling Cephiro mafia but it looks like the bulk of your case against him is that he was the most nervous? Is that correct?
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On November 06 2013 15:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
I went back and looked through your post to see if you have other reasons for calling Cephiro mafia but it looks like the bulk of your case against him is that he was the most nervous? Is that correct?
You gotta wear your pants just right. Left leg draped over the right shoulder, right leg wrapped around like a turban. Trust me.
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On November 06 2013 15:48 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 15:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
I went back and looked through your post to see if you have other reasons for calling Cephiro mafia but it looks like the bulk of your case against him is that he was the most nervous? Is that correct? You gotta wear your pants just right. Left leg draped over the right shoulder, right leg wrapped around like a turban. Trust me.
lol you remind me of scum dandeIon
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i again remember why i did say what i did in ##'s game. lol this is hilarious.
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On November 06 2013 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i again remember why i did say what i did in ##'s game. lol this is hilarious.
what do you make of ObviousOne's recent posts
Btw i've just noticed that I always think you're scum until you jump in the thread, so idk. I'm kinda waiting on you and ET to talk things out before I decide what I think about your case against him. WoS brought up the point that if I know your town play then I should be prepared for weird tunnels which we both know is a good point. So let's talk about OO in the meantime.
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I don't think they are very good because they make no sense to me besides what he says about ET.
I am going to try to be very polite and not trying to rage when i say this and then i will never bring this up again.
The D1 lynch was bad. It was really bad. If you guys really want i can go back and quote all the cases that were "possible lynces" (if you want to put it that way lol) before i made my case on ET. But i can tell you, the cases were in this category -- "geez, someone used a scummy word". Then there is this guy who comes in and says "hey guys we need to consolidate". If this was a newbie game that would be acceptable because you know. But this is not. Consolidating 24h before the deadline with the cases there were is ridiculous. It's even more ridiculous that i made a case, ET gives basically a "fuck you" answer and people tell me "you should see ET is town" because of it. The spoilered thingy is kinda useless and only explains why i get really mad at these games.
+ Show Spoiler +The guy has 5/5 in his scumgames before Hogwarts and i called him scum for his first post in that game - he was scum. I have also correcty identified Pandain (who had apparently never lost a scumgame before at that point) as scum at last on N1 two games in a row after having played two games with him before that.
So yeah, i don't like getting called scum because i said "D1 was shit, your lynch went through, you are not allowed to be mad, you are also scum because ET is totes town (without explaining why)" .
In addition to that, i am not going to talk about people who i do not want to lynch at that point in this game. Like it or not, but i think it is beneficial, because of the scum bluesniper role and the bitchcraft elections. I can point out why a case on someone is bad if i think they are town, but if you ask me "what do you think of X" don't expect me to say "he is town because of ABCDE" even if i think so. If you can't see why, idgaf tbh.
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OO why would there be 3 scum on gumshoe unless hzflank is scum?
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On November 06 2013 17:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OO why would there be 3 scum on gumshoe unless hzflank is scum?
it's this:
On November 06 2013 15:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
hmm. the mafia team is ET Sn0 and Ceph because.....
starting point >>> ceph is the most nervous about the lynch
-cephiro was apprehensive
-maybe he's apprehensive becuase he's waiting for his team to green light gum's death
-there's probably 2 scumbuddies causing all of sn0's apprehension
-therefore all 3 scum are talking about the gumshoe lynch in the scum qt as it's going down
-since all 3 scum are around for the lynch they must have all voted gumshoe at some point
conclusion>>> 3 scum were on the mislynch
there are 3 scum on gumshoe simply because Cephiro was nervous... dafuq
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