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On November 06 2013 10:51 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 10:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 06 2013 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 06 2013 10:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No WoS, the thing here what gumshoe said does not refer to you, because he was using that as a defence.
I did the exact same thing in ##, i got back when i could have stayed afk and not get called scum for it. I was scum. There was nothing alignment indicative in that comment because whatever way you look at it it's WIFOM. You're wrong. Look at the timing of gumshoe's and my posts. How long before you were lynched did you 'come back' from being afk? There's a massive difference. I really don't want to argue with you about this though because it's going to turn the thread into a shitfest and I already know you and I will not see eye-to-eye on this. It's irrelevant right now; I only wanted to know what you were originally referring to. On November 06 2013 10:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:This is extremely relatable to what gumshoe just said---if he didn't show up nobody would have lynched him, and I understand that completely. And this is not true because of the following: (1) hzflank was here defending himself. (2) i just got back, ET lynch was not going to happen for some retarded reason and i really clearly had implied gumshoe was my #2 target for lynch. If we assume gumshoe is scum, it is not really hard to make an educated guess about who is going to be the next lynch target if hzflank lynch does not go through. It is going to be either gumshoe or Onegu. Do you disagree? I don't disagree that you would have tried to push him next anyway, but how do you think that would have looked on you if gumshoe hadn't come back at all? WoS i am talking about D1 in ## where i am referring to myself. I don't care how it would look on me. And that's not the argument here. The argument is there is nothing alignment indicative in his comment and i know it because i just did the same thing as scum, therefore the comment can be come from scum. If it could not come from scum i would have flipped town in ## game. If there is something that makes you think mafia!gumshoe could absolutely not say that and it had to be town!gumshoe, then tell me why so we can discuss it. We've already been over this. Gumshoe's entire early game posting makes no sense from a scum standpoint. (And for the record you are comparing apples and oranges if you are referring to D1 in ##. I disagree and that's all there is to that.) I'm not sure that it makes sense right now to go through his filter here and Basterd to debunk your case on him post-hoc because hindsight is 20/20 (or 6/6 in Canada!) and I can't be sure I won't be biased.
That's why i said i hated this D1. I am not claiming i am always right. When i made the original case on gumshoe people did not tell where i was wrong (and i still stand behind my case besides gumshoe's alignment - obviously). PEople just ignored the case or said "no he has contributed here and here" which is not tellingwhere i am wrong because i did very clearly say what i thought gumshoe said in his posts. If i was worng and people thought i was wrong why the fuck would noone go into those posts and tell me:
"Look, here. gumshoe says this and that. This means this and that, and it clearly contributes to the game because XYZ."
That's how you are supposed to do it. Look at how i answered Cephiro's case on you and ET's case on thrawn. I think the cases were shit. I went through them and told people what i disagreed with. There is no reason why there should be bad/wrong cases in thread at any point of the game because having them distracts the town from scumhunting. That's why people should point out why the cases are bad and not just say "lol bad case" or stay silent.
I hope you get what i mean. If i make a case and noone tells me why it is bad then i think i am right.
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et said i'm not allowed to call him town
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Ok I'm back now and have caught up on the latest happenings. I find it very disturbing that all of the votes that are put on gumshoe happen within the timespan of only the last 10 minutes of the day. This seems like a rushed decision and in all of the chaos I would assume that there was probably at least 1 mafia in there.
Before the voting spree there were no votes on gumshoe, however hzflank was starting to gain traction with a total of 6 votes at that moment. Just one vote away from being a majority vote, thrawn decides to unvote and vote for gumshoes. thrawn is also the one to start the votes on hz and claims it to just be a placeholder. However his change right when hz is about to get the majority vote is interesting. It seems to be a deflection and since gumshoe hasn't been super active during the game he would be a good target. Also the last person to vote on hz was infact gumshoe. It seems like it is a possibility that thrawn saw an opportunity to take off on gumshoe because of his late vote and him being a good target that people might be willing to go for. It seems like thrawn is trying to deflect off of hz and onto gumshoe in my opinion. It just seems like too much of a coincidence to not at least take into account.
Basically after that rayn, hz, umasi, echelon, sno, and cephiro kinda just jump on without stating a reason why (very little time so kinda understandable). Now that you don't only have 5 minutes to explain your vote, I would like to hear all of you (everybody who voted on him) why you decided to vote on gumshoe.
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On November 06 2013 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 10:51 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 06 2013 10:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 06 2013 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 06 2013 10:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No WoS, the thing here what gumshoe said does not refer to you, because he was using that as a defence.
I did the exact same thing in ##, i got back when i could have stayed afk and not get called scum for it. I was scum. There was nothing alignment indicative in that comment because whatever way you look at it it's WIFOM. You're wrong. Look at the timing of gumshoe's and my posts. How long before you were lynched did you 'come back' from being afk? There's a massive difference. I really don't want to argue with you about this though because it's going to turn the thread into a shitfest and I already know you and I will not see eye-to-eye on this. It's irrelevant right now; I only wanted to know what you were originally referring to. On November 06 2013 10:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:This is extremely relatable to what gumshoe just said---if he didn't show up nobody would have lynched him, and I understand that completely. And this is not true because of the following: (1) hzflank was here defending himself. (2) i just got back, ET lynch was not going to happen for some retarded reason and i really clearly had implied gumshoe was my #2 target for lynch. If we assume gumshoe is scum, it is not really hard to make an educated guess about who is going to be the next lynch target if hzflank lynch does not go through. It is going to be either gumshoe or Onegu. Do you disagree? I don't disagree that you would have tried to push him next anyway, but how do you think that would have looked on you if gumshoe hadn't come back at all? WoS i am talking about D1 in ## where i am referring to myself. I don't care how it would look on me. And that's not the argument here. The argument is there is nothing alignment indicative in his comment and i know it because i just did the same thing as scum, therefore the comment can be come from scum. If it could not come from scum i would have flipped town in ## game. If there is something that makes you think mafia!gumshoe could absolutely not say that and it had to be town!gumshoe, then tell me why so we can discuss it. We've already been over this. Gumshoe's entire early game posting makes no sense from a scum standpoint. (And for the record you are comparing apples and oranges if you are referring to D1 in ##. I disagree and that's all there is to that.) I'm not sure that it makes sense right now to go through his filter here and Basterd to debunk your case on him post-hoc because hindsight is 20/20 (or 6/6 in Canada!) and I can't be sure I won't be biased. That's why i said i hated this D1. I am not claiming i am always right. When i made the original case on gumshoe people did not tell where i was wrong (and i still stand behind my case besides gumshoe's alignment - obviously). PEople just ignored the case or said "no he has contributed here and here" which is not tellingwhere i am wrong because i did very clearly say what i thought gumshoe said in his posts. If i was worng and people thought i was wrong why the fuck would noone go into those posts and tell me: "Look, here. gumshoe says this and that. This means this and that, and it clearly contributes to the game because XYZ." That's how you are supposed to do it. Look at how i answered Cephiro's case on you and ET's case on thrawn. I think the cases were shit. I went through them and told people what i disagreed with. There is no reason why there should be bad/wrong cases in thread at any point of the game because having them distracts the town from scumhunting. That's why people should point out why the cases are bad and not just say "lol bad case" or stay silent. I hope you get what i mean. If i make a case and noone tells me why it is bad then i think i am right.
Hold on a second. Lol now I know why nobody responded to you.
On November 05 2013 13:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 12:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 05 2013 12:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In the last game i made a similar case on WoS that Cephiro is doing now. I even think my case was stronger. He was town.
Being undecisive at this point of the game or asking other people's opinions is not scummy. That's pretty much everything i have to say. Of course it would be cool if everyone played perfectly and pressured people and shut down cases/arguments that are obviously bad but that's unfortunately what people are capable of doing.
##Vote: gumshoe
just because i do not like anything he has said this game. Come on dude, this is a bit of a copout. Can you explain at all? I really don't think a scum gumshoe would go through the effort to do what he did---do you remember his play from Basterd? tbh no, i do not remember his play from Basterd. I remember he claimed on N1 but i don't even remember why. After that he has been modkilled for inactivity or soht because i accidently outed him as blue (in a game i somehow thought everyone was blue) while he did pretty much nothing. 50% of my case on him is that i want him to actually say something uselful and 50% is that what he has said is either faked for no reason or useless contributions or something that makes no sense to me.
This was the entirety of your case. I even called you out on your original vote of him calling it a cop-out because you didn't even explain anything. THIS is why you are acting so self-righteous about the lynch?
I honestly wanted to wait before starting this shitfest, but I suppose you brought it on:
On November 06 2013 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Apparently this is what happens when i do not drive the discussion on D1 from the beginning. rofl what a shitty D1.
Not only is shitting on town considered scummy (I should know, people called me scummy for it through the entirety of Thug life), but you are acting all angry and self righteous for what amounts to no reason. You wanted ET lynch to happen, he's too towny, not going to happen. Surely getting your second scumread lynched should make you happy, no? Yeah you were wrong, but you got what you wanted done. Hell, you even got the fucking lynch on gumshoe started. Then when it happens and he flips town you have the audacity to blame everyone else? What the fuck is that play?
Let's go, Rayn.
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Like...how the fuck can you even come in here and consider what you posted even worthy of a case that nobody responded to?
Your case was so shit nobody even needed to respond to it because it said nothing. You were vague and just said you didn't understand what he posted---and then when I asked you what the scum motivation was for what he posted?
You said:
On November 05 2013 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bleh.. I can't really say. :E
I think it's not alignment indicative.
Great case, bro.
The only one we have to blame for D1 lynch is YOU, and whereas normally I would think the header of a D1 mislynch is alignment non-indicative, I believe it to be completely indicative of you being scum in this case.
You had nothing to go on from the very beginning and you feel super strongly enough to call him your second strongest read after ET and THEN get pissed at everyone else to deflect?
Scum city bro.
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On November 06 2013 11:09 Vanesco wrote:
Ok I'm back now and have caught up on the latest happenings. I find it very disturbing that all of the votes that are put on gumshoe happen within the timespan of only the last 10 minutes of the day. This seems like a rushed decision and in all of the chaos I would assume that there was probably at least 1 mafia in there.
Before the voting spree there were no votes on gumshoe, however hzflank was starting to gain traction with a total of 6 votes at that moment. Just one vote away from being a majority vote, thrawn decides to unvote and vote for gumshoes. thrawn is also the one to start the votes on hz and claims it to just be a placeholder. However his change right when hz is about to get the majority vote is interesting. It seems to be a deflection and since gumshoe hasn't been super active during the game he would be a good target. Also the last person to vote on hz was infact gumshoe. It seems like it is a possibility that thrawn saw an opportunity to take off on gumshoe because of his late vote and him being a good target that people might be willing to go for. It seems like thrawn is trying to deflect off of hz and onto gumshoe in my opinion. It just seems like too much of a coincidence to not at least take into account.
Basically after that rayn, hz, umasi, echelon, sno, and cephiro kinda just jump on without stating a reason why (very little time so kinda understandable). Now that you don't only have 5 minutes to explain your vote, I would like to hear all of you (everybody who voted on him) why you decided to vote on gumshoe.
I don't know what you're accusing me of. Yeah, I was the first person on both wagons. So what? Are you saying I tried to save hzflank by switching to gumshoe? This only makes sense if hz is mafia, but then why would I have even tried to get hz lynched in the first place?
I voted for gumshoe because I changed my mind about hz after seeing what looked like honest posts right before the deadline. Gumshoe also came in at a hilariously bad timing, and he was sorta the only person that it looked like people would agree to lynch. You need to understand that I don't think that many people actually preferred gumshoe, but because people like yourself weren't there to help us figure out the lynch we had to choose between shitty options. Right at the end there it was either hz, gum, or no lynch. If you think we should have done a better job maybe you'll be around next time to help?
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On November 06 2013 11:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Like...how the fuck can you even come in here and consider what you posted even worthy of a case that nobody responded to? Your case was so shit nobody even needed to respond to it because it said nothing. You were vague and just said you didn't understand what he posted---and then when I asked you what the scum motivation was for what he posted? You said: Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bleh.. I can't really say. :E
I think it's not alignment indicative. Great case, bro. The only one we have to blame for D1 lynch is YOU, and whereas normally I would think the header of a D1 mislynch is alignment non-indicative, I believe it to be completely indicative of you being scum in this case. You had nothing to go on from the very beginning and you feel super strongly enough to call him your second strongest read after ET and THEN get pissed at everyone else to deflect? Scum city bro.
I don't know if you have been reading the thread or not but i backed up my gumshoe case with an argument about the differences in his posting in this game and in Basterd. Do i really need to go to my own fucking filter because everyone seems to have missed that post?
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On November 05 2013 17:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe's contributions in Basterd have a clear point, are transparent and every time they reach to a hard conclusion. None of those things happen in this game and half of his filter anyways is useless because it's about fake case that either serves no purpose if he is town or he just fucked up and is making stuff up if he is scum.
Here. It's fucking here. Do not lie about this WoS and stop this shit already.
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Oh I'm getting to it sir. I am well aware of that post and already started writing something.
Don't you dare accuse me of lying.
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And what the fuck is about the comment you quoted. That has nothing to do with gumshoe. Why the fuck do you even bring that up?
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WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT COMMENT YOU QUOTED?
THAT IS ABOUT ONEGU, NOT GUMSHOE?
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING WAVEOFSHADOW???
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You are full of shit WoS.
Good night.
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On November 06 2013 11:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 11:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Like...how the fuck can you even come in here and consider what you posted even worthy of a case that nobody responded to? Your case was so shit nobody even needed to respond to it because it said nothing. You were vague and just said you didn't understand what he posted---and then when I asked you what the scum motivation was for what he posted? You said: On November 05 2013 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bleh.. I can't really say. :E
I think it's not alignment indicative. Great case, bro. The only one we have to blame for D1 lynch is YOU, and whereas normally I would think the header of a D1 mislynch is alignment non-indicative, I believe it to be completely indicative of you being scum in this case. You had nothing to go on from the very beginning and you feel super strongly enough to call him your second strongest read after ET and THEN get pissed at everyone else to deflect? Scum city bro. I don't know if you have been reading the thread or not but i backed up my gumshoe case with an argument about the differences in his posting in this game and in Basterd. Do i really need to go to my own fucking filter because everyone seems to have missed that post?
No, I have it right here.
On November 05 2013 17:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe's contributions in Basterd have a clear point, are transparent and every time they reach to a hard conclusion. None of those things happen in this game and half of his filter anyways is useless because it's about fake case that either serves no purpose if he is town or he just fucked up and is making stuff up if he is scum.
I included it the 'vague'-ness but I can go into more detail and I will hash it out post-hoc because now it is dependent on me getting you lynched.
His case isn't entirely fake.
Never mind, even if you are scum for whatever reason you seem invested in this game. Dont waste time addressing an argument thats probably not valid (lol you already did nice XD) Besides if your scum you'll trip yourself up eventually if you keep posting like this / : Now,even though I actually did find those things you did fishy... I wasn't entirely honest regarding the intent of that case...
On November 05 2013 11:10 gumshoe wrote:
I made a post because the thread was stagnating, the post I made was of course mediocre seeing as it was made at the start of the game but I don't wanna hear that from you Ryan : P, the post was big and aggressive because it was meant to draw everyone out, and it's done just that. Even if Wos is scum(an increasingly slim possibility) I don't wanna lynch an extremely active player day 1. I'm still willing to kill Unegu, but why is it that no one finds oo's play weird? What is it that everyone finds townie about him? I'll be here to answer questions for a bit, but I don't have a phone so don't expect any walls of text T-T Also cephiro's opening post was just so balls to the walls... Reeked of confidence... Not sure what o make of that.
This perfectly explains his reasoning for making his post. It was a long as hell case on me with weak reasoning to see if he could catch me out, buit in the end he thought it might be put to better use to catch others out if I came back and shot it down, as I did. An odd play as town, but surely you would understand something about odd plays as town, right Rayn?
Whether or not you believe it served a purpose it certainly did to him and created discussion around targets he pointed out somehwat. I admit it would have been way more effective if he actually stuck around to push his shit, which is probably what made this play seem even weaker bu the point stands. There is zero scum motivation for doing what he did---do you really think a massive case like that is one big fuckup? Like, he spent 45 minutes writing all that shit up and then the one with the Youtube posts too but he fucked the entire thing up?
No fucking way.
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On November 06 2013 11:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT COMMENT YOU QUOTED?
THAT IS ABOUT ONEGU, NOT GUMSHOE?
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING WAVEOFSHADOW???
It was not about Onegu. I was referring to your post. You asked me:
On November 05 2013 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Generally yes, it stands. Although now it doesn't because he brought it up. :E
I have no idea what to think about it either.
Could you comment on what i said about gumshoe?
And I commented:
On November 05 2013 17:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Generally yes, it stands. Although now it doesn't because he brought it up. :E
I have no idea what to think about it either.
Could you comment on what i said about gumshoe? I see your point but the effort he put in while he WAS here (sporadically) gives me a great deal of pause. Why would he do that as scum? What is the motivation?
So no, I am not making shit up.
Just because YOU misunderstood me, that's not my problem.
/dunked.
Be back later.
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On November 06 2013 11:17 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 11:09 Vanesco wrote:
Ok I'm back now and have caught up on the latest happenings. I find it very disturbing that all of the votes that are put on gumshoe happen within the timespan of only the last 10 minutes of the day. This seems like a rushed decision and in all of the chaos I would assume that there was probably at least 1 mafia in there.
Before the voting spree there were no votes on gumshoe, however hzflank was starting to gain traction with a total of 6 votes at that moment. Just one vote away from being a majority vote, thrawn decides to unvote and vote for gumshoes. thrawn is also the one to start the votes on hz and claims it to just be a placeholder. However his change right when hz is about to get the majority vote is interesting. It seems to be a deflection and since gumshoe hasn't been super active during the game he would be a good target. Also the last person to vote on hz was infact gumshoe. It seems like it is a possibility that thrawn saw an opportunity to take off on gumshoe because of his late vote and him being a good target that people might be willing to go for. It seems like thrawn is trying to deflect off of hz and onto gumshoe in my opinion. It just seems like too much of a coincidence to not at least take into account.
Basically after that rayn, hz, umasi, echelon, sno, and cephiro kinda just jump on without stating a reason why (very little time so kinda understandable). Now that you don't only have 5 minutes to explain your vote, I would like to hear all of you (everybody who voted on him) why you decided to vote on gumshoe. I don't know what you're accusing me of. Yeah, I was the first person on both wagons. So what? Are you saying I tried to save hzflank by switching to gumshoe? This only makes sense if hz is mafia, but then why would I have even tried to get hz lynched in the first place? I voted for gumshoe because I changed my mind about hz after seeing what looked like honest posts right before the deadline. Gumshoe also came in at a hilariously bad timing, and he was sorta the only person that it looked like people would agree to lynch. You need to understand that I don't think that many people actually preferred gumshoe, but because people like yourself weren't there to help us figure out the lynch we had to choose between shitty options. Right at the end there it was either hz, gum, or no lynch. If you think we should have done a better job maybe you'll be around next time to help?
You don't really end up voting for him because you really think he is scum. You even say that you use him as a placeholder and afterwards you explain your read on him here but even in that case you say that you are hesitant on him.
It's alright to change ones mind, I'm just pointing out that it happened at a very crucial time and seems very much like a possible coincidence. And are you attacking me? I gave previous reasons as to why I would not be available well in advance.
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I am too pissed off to leave yet.
So if you thought this was the case why didn't you say that in the first place?
Why did you tell me to go look at Basterd game which i did and then did not say anything about it?
Why are you letting me run around with shit cases here -- and then call me scum during the night phase for it when you could have done that a fucking day ago if you thought i was wrong?
And explain that Onegu comment. I demand a fucking explanation on it right now.
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Okay i see what you and me might have understood. Here is the conversation:
On November 05 2013 17:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ughhhhhhhhh the self-vote.
Fuck now I do want to change it. I don't know if I've ever really seen scum martyr (self-vote, whatever) like that specifically and he gave us pre-death reads.
Rayn he quoted you here---does that thought stand? Is his play too shit to be scum?
##Unvote
ET I await your return because I want to see if you can convince me now that I don't have a primary target. I still don't think I'd go Sn0 today (though if he acts the same way tomorrow as he does today he's dead tomorrow) and I feel better about Umasi than I did so maybe it is thrawn. The thought process thing has yet to steer me wrong though, and I would find it odd that thrawn would be so happy-go-lucky about talking about town circles and whatnot...
On November 05 2013 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Generally yes, it stands. Although now it doesn't because he brought it up. :E
I have no idea what to think about it either.
Could you comment on what i said about gumshoe?
On November 05 2013 17:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Generally yes, it stands. Although now it doesn't because he brought it up. :E
I have no idea what to think about it either.
Could you comment on what i said about gumshoe? I see your point but the effort he put in while he WAS here (sporadically) gives me a great deal of pause. Why would he do that as scum? What is the motivation?
On November 05 2013 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bleh.. I can't really say. :E
I think it's not alignment indicative.
The bolded parts. I think we are talking about Onegu all the time.
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Apparently in your last post you were talking about gumshoe...
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On November 06 2013 11:33 Vanesco wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 11:17 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 06 2013 11:09 Vanesco wrote:
Ok I'm back now and have caught up on the latest happenings. I find it very disturbing that all of the votes that are put on gumshoe happen within the timespan of only the last 10 minutes of the day. This seems like a rushed decision and in all of the chaos I would assume that there was probably at least 1 mafia in there.
Before the voting spree there were no votes on gumshoe, however hzflank was starting to gain traction with a total of 6 votes at that moment. Just one vote away from being a majority vote, thrawn decides to unvote and vote for gumshoes. thrawn is also the one to start the votes on hz and claims it to just be a placeholder. However his change right when hz is about to get the majority vote is interesting. It seems to be a deflection and since gumshoe hasn't been super active during the game he would be a good target. Also the last person to vote on hz was infact gumshoe. It seems like it is a possibility that thrawn saw an opportunity to take off on gumshoe because of his late vote and him being a good target that people might be willing to go for. It seems like thrawn is trying to deflect off of hz and onto gumshoe in my opinion. It just seems like too much of a coincidence to not at least take into account.
Basically after that rayn, hz, umasi, echelon, sno, and cephiro kinda just jump on without stating a reason why (very little time so kinda understandable). Now that you don't only have 5 minutes to explain your vote, I would like to hear all of you (everybody who voted on him) why you decided to vote on gumshoe. I don't know what you're accusing me of. Yeah, I was the first person on both wagons. So what? Are you saying I tried to save hzflank by switching to gumshoe? This only makes sense if hz is mafia, but then why would I have even tried to get hz lynched in the first place? I voted for gumshoe because I changed my mind about hz after seeing what looked like honest posts right before the deadline. Gumshoe also came in at a hilariously bad timing, and he was sorta the only person that it looked like people would agree to lynch. You need to understand that I don't think that many people actually preferred gumshoe, but because people like yourself weren't there to help us figure out the lynch we had to choose between shitty options. Right at the end there it was either hz, gum, or no lynch. If you think we should have done a better job maybe you'll be around next time to help? You don't really end up voting for him because you really think he is scum. You even say that you use him as a placeholder and afterwards you explain your read on him here but even in that case you say that you are hesitant on him. It's alright to change ones mind, I'm just pointing out that it happened at a very crucial time and seems very much like a possible coincidence. And are you attacking me? I gave previous reasons as to why I would not be available well in advance.
Correct, when I voted for him I did not think he was scum, as I stated in the vote post. At that point in the game I was using process of elimination to decide on a lynch and hzflank was one of the people I ruled out. I went and researched his filter, and it turned out there were things in his filter that made me actually want to lynch him which is why I stuck with my vote and tried to convince others to go along with it. And yes I was attacking you, not because I think you're scum (which I don't) but because it's really fucking annoying to be in the thread for like 4 solid hours before the lynch deadline desperately trying to put together a lynch when hardly anyone is around, and then later people who weren't around to help blame the people who were there.
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