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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 05 2013 17:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: WaveofShadow why do you refuse to talk about gumshoe? Also ET same question? Shouldn't this be a clear indication someone has misundertood something? | ||
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Vanesco
United States105 Posts
On November 06 2013 11:41 thrawn2112 wrote: Correct, when I voted for him I did not think he was scum, as I stated in the vote post. At that point in the game I was using process of elimination to decide on a lynch and hzflank was one of the people I ruled out. I went and researched his filter, and it turned out there were things in his filter that made me actually want to lynch him which is why I stuck with my vote and tried to convince others to go along with it. And yes I was attacking you, not because I think you're scum (which I don't) but because it's really fucking annoying to be in the thread for like 4 solid hours before the lynch deadline desperately trying to put together a lynch when hardly anyone is around, and then later people who weren't around to help blame the people who were there. Don't get me wrong thrawn, I'm not putting any blame on you. I just posted that it is very coincidental and should be taken note off. The fact that you think I'm blaming you I think is more to do with the fact that you probably expect some type of blame to be put on you because you were the first to post the voting bus on gumshoe and that I also gave you as my biggest scum read. I'll try to summarize my first post in much shorter words. The vote seems rushed and rushed usually means a good time for scum to start jumping, therefore I feel like at least 1 vote should have come from scum. The interaction that took place should be noted off because of how coincidental it seems. Everybody who voted on gumshoe should give reasons why. | ||
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thrawn2112
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WaveofShadow
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On November 06 2013 12:03 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn and WoS I don't any idea what either of you have been talking about Try reading. It's a useful skill toi have. On November 06 2013 11:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS why would i say "i can't talk about it" about gumshoe? You said 'I can't really say.' I understood it to mean 'I don't know' rather than 'I can't talk about it due to ongoing game/whatever.' Let's go back then before the misunderstanding, shall we? Take the post I made, and respond to it the way I meant for you to respond---about gumshoe. What would his motivation have been as scum to post what he did? Made zero sense to me. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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In nay case, the rest of my case still stands. I posit that you have no right at all to be pissed off about the outcome of today's lynch and it is all a big show to deflect the blame. I expect at some point for other people to read our exchange and comment on it, but as it stands Rayn will be my target for tomorrow. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On November 06 2013 12:10 WaveofShadow wrote: I posit that you have no right at all to be pissed off about the outcome of today's lynch and it is all a big show to deflect the blame. I expect at some point for other people to read our exchange and comment on it, but as it stands Rayn will be my target for tomorrow. This is really the only part of the argument that I followed and I agree with it, especially with rayn starting off D1 deliberately being useless. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On November 06 2013 12:12 thrawn2112 wrote: This is really the only part of the argument that I followed and I agree with it, especially with rayn starting off D1 deliberately being useless. That's the best you can do? Look I can even make Rayn's defense for him: a) ' I was demoralized 'cuz of getting caught/lynched in ##' b) I changed my mind and decided to start playing now. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
The only reason I gave rayn a pass initially is because he started playing the game, but those are pretty low standards to hold him to. ET will hate me for this but I don't see how rayn could still see ET as scum at this stage in the game. That tunnel is looking more forced as it's continued over into N1. (btw rayn, nobody needs to respond to your case on ET because you should be able to figure it out for yourself) Also go look at the argument I had with rayn about Syl, can you figure out exactly wtf his motives were during that conversation? He appeared to have absolutely no interest in what hzflank said about Syl, instead choosing to make the issue entirely about how I've waited until now to bring up a point made a day ago? Is that even a legitimate concern? The argument kinda fizzled out with, from what I could tell, rayn not having reached any conclusions about my alignment. So I can't figure out what his issue was other than he wanted to discredit me. Yes, I think I will be joining you on the rayn-train tomorrow. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On November 06 2013 12:27 thrawn2112 wrote: I am NOT about to try and solve a mystery over who said who, who misinterpreted who, and who's lying when one of the people involved is rayn. All three of those things are pretty much exactly what rayn and I argued about endlessly in desert and I do not care enough about forum mafia to subject myself to that again. The only reason I gave rayn a pass initially is because he started playing the game, but those are pretty low standards to hold him to. ET will hate me for this but I don't see how rayn could still see ET as scum at this stage in the game. That tunnel is looking more forced as it's continued over into N1. (btw rayn, nobody needs to respond to your case on ET because you should be able to figure it out for yourself) Also go look at the argument I had with rayn about Syl, can you figure out exactly wtf his motives were during that conversation? He appeared to have absolutely no interest in what hzflank said about Syl, instead choosing to make the issue entirely about how I've waited until now to bring up a point made a day ago? Is that even a legitimate concern? The argument kinda fizzled out with, from what I could tell, rayn not having reached any conclusions about my alignment. So I can't figure out what his issue was other than he wanted to discredit me. Yes, I think I will be joining you on the rayn-train tomorrow. See this, I like. One comment though; if you know Rayn at all you know his tunnel potential is massive, so I wouldn't necessarily call that alignment indicative in his case. Your argument re: syl - On November 06 2013 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think Sylencia is scum, hz could be anything. What exactly has ET done this game other than bad case on you and been sloppy? He just got mad onme @ Hogwarts when i called him out of saying he knew scum had a fuckton of roles on D1. Dunno if i was right or not but he was scum so i don't find his reaction to bbe a town tell for sure. He didn't even answer anything about the case. If you believe he actually tried to do even some meta analysis on you lol.. This post looks like the kind of thing he said about gumshoe. There's just no effort put into a post like this. The difference here is Rayn actually put a HUGE effort into his previously noted ET case, which I want to try to go into at some point to see if I can find anything that jumps out at me. I would also find it interesting if Rayn tossed gumshoe in to save hzflank. My inclinations are a no since in my experience, scum rarely stick their necks out for teammates like this (though I think it would be pretty hilarious if we were on the right track with me and you randomly yolo-ing onto him). | ||
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thrawn2112
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SO WoS what do you think about sylencia and obviousone? I think obviousone started out ok but he's not kept it up, and his latest contribution wasn't really a contribution, he just threw some names out (ceph/et) for other people to pick up on. I asked him to give his opinion on what happened during the lynch and that's the best he can come up with? Apart from that group (syl/OO/rayn) there's nobody I can see being mafia, save maybe Onegu and I don't feel like looking into him will be all that useful until after he returns from afk-land. Eh, there is also Umasi but I felt OK about his play in the hours leading up to the lynch. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On November 06 2013 12:47 thrawn2112 wrote: nah i'm cool on hzflank for now.. imo gumshoe was dead as soon as he made that last minute vote. SO WoS what do you think about sylencia and obviousone? I think obviousone started out ok but he's not kept it up, and his latest contribution wasn't really a contribution, he just threw some names out (ceph/et) for other people to pick up on. I asked him to give his opinion on what happened during the lynch and that's the best he can come up with? Apart from that group (syl/OO/rayn) there's nobody I can see being mafia, save maybe Onegu and I don't feel like looking into him will be all that useful until after he returns from afk-land. Eh, there is also Umasi but I felt OK about his play in the hours leading up to the lynch. Agree re: Umasi, I'm not sure of Syl; time will tell on that one. I agree with you that I liked OO early but now I'm meh on him. Can I ask you though---you said gumshoe was dead as soon as he last minute voted. Did you think he was scum for doing that? Were you convinced by Rayn or went there of your own accord? I can assure you after he posted this: On November 06 2013 06:55 gumshoe wrote: You all do realize I could have sat back and watched the no lynch go through / : besides I always ninja vote, get killed for it, and have never once flipped scum. Meh I would have pushed for people to gtfo. Since it seems we think the same a lot this game I am wondering why you didn't immediately think the same thing. Also what do you make of gumshoe's dying post? Does it hold water? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
Is Ceph scum? lol fuck if I know. Do you think that as scum he would have popped up last minute to push a mislynch through if his plan the whole time was to cause a no lynch? Here's what I got written down about Ceph (actual quotes from my notes are in quotes) "...... + for confidence and truthfulness" (this refers to his starting posts. he was being weird and I called him out for it and imo he was pretty straight up with me) "wow tryhard megapost.. and + for pleading at the end of it" (obviously referring to all the posts about WoS. I talked to him about that case and I never felt any maliciousness behind it) "hella awkward nolynch push and gum vote but why would scum be that awkward?" (referring to what I mentioned after the lynch and in the paragraph above these notes) so probably not? | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On November 05 2013 15:48 EchelonTee wrote: I think this a pretty good point. Sn0 just seems "not here". He has had plenty of time to formulate opinions. His presence feels really floaty; it reminds me of scum players who skirt the edge; noticeable enough to not be called out for lurking, but not noticeable enough to be forced to give out concrete reads. There is a promise to develop reads, but there is nothing shown in thread. It's understandable that Day 1 reads are not the best, but to me it feels like Sn0 is putting in absolutely no effort to provide legitimate reads. I agree with other people's sentiments that this post is very strange. Sn0's post feels like one that is shrinking away. While it is true that some scum players are comfortable with arguing, the baseline idea is that scum have inherent guilt and would rather avoid confrontation. I would be fine with a Sn0 lynch if Thrawn cannot happen. Sn0 care to respond to this? If you think he's full of shit too why aren't you calling him scum? | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On November 06 2013 12:47 thrawn2112 wrote: nah i'm cool on hzflank for now.. imo gumshoe was dead as soon as he made that last minute vote. SO WoS what do you think about sylencia and obviousone? I think obviousone started out ok but he's not kept it up, and his latest contribution wasn't really a contribution, he just threw some names out (ceph/et) for other people to pick up on. I asked him to give his opinion on what happened during the lynch and that's the best he can come up with? Apart from that group (syl/OO/rayn) there's nobody I can see being mafia, save maybe Onegu and I don't feel like looking into him will be all that useful until after he returns from afk-land. Eh, there is also Umasi but I felt OK about his play in the hours leading up to the lynch. sorry bro I just bought teemo in league i was kill stealing for a couple hours rofl | ||
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thrawn2112
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On November 06 2013 13:43 thrawn2112 wrote: What do you think about the lynch? What do you think went on during D1, what was the scum team up to? I'm on page 27 of the re-read. Right now I'm seeing that there's still no call for consolidation and people are still generating "cases" and voting their scum reads. Lots of echoes that Sn0 is scummy, and after WoS takes a stand that he's not voting Sn0 it seems like Sn0 completely fell off the table. I guess it's possible that it's because Sn0 showed up not that long after I went to sleep. Anyway, there's definitely a power vacuum going on by page 27, nobody is taking control temporarily to get things on track for an effective lynch. You can decide for yourself who you think those players might be in your own opinion; I probably would have continued repeating myself regarding Sn0 because I didn't see anything in his filter regarding why exactly I'm scum. We basically let him get away with being a lazy fuck. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On November 06 2013 13:47 ObviousOne wrote: I'm on page 27 of the re-read. Right now I'm seeing that there's still no call for consolidation and people are still generating "cases" and voting their scum reads. Lots of echoes that Sn0 is scummy, and after WoS takes a stand that he's not voting Sn0 it seems like Sn0 completely fell off the table. I guess it's possible that it's because Sn0 showed up not that long after I went to sleep. Anyway, there's definitely a power vacuum going on by page 27, nobody is taking control temporarily to get things on track for an effective lynch. You can decide for yourself who you think those players might be in your own opinion; I probably would have continued repeating myself regarding Sn0 because I didn't see anything in his filter regarding why exactly I'm scum. We basically let him get away with being a lazy fuck. After your reread I'd like to talk to you about anything interesting that came up during your read-through and about sn0 or whoever else your top pick for scum may be. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On November 05 2013 17:47 thrawn2112 wrote: The list: I was not making a list of who isn't lurking with the promise to attack lurkers. I wasn't even making a list of anti-lurkers. I was making a list of anyone who (including lurkers, obviously) wasn't committing to conversation. So the people not on the list includes both lurkers and people like yourself, who at the time I didn't feel like they'd done anything meaningful. The list even included some people who were borderline lurking but at least had made some type of impression on me. The only purpose of such a list is to hopefully intimidate people not on the list to dip their toes farther into the water. Rayn vote: If you've really gone through my town games like you appear to then you should see my rayn vote is very much like something I'd do. And you're wrong, I do give my reasoning and I do not regret having my vote on rayn. I think if you read all of my posts about rayn then you can see a clear progression of my read. Everything else: Sorry I just don't take the game seriously 100% of the time, especially when I'm bored. LOL btw I looked at one of my cases you linked as evidence of how I can write a serious case, and one of my points against prom was that he wasn't being my friend. That whole post was kinda trollish, I'm kinda wondering why you used that as an example because there are probably a lot better ones to pick from. With you claiming to have done meta research on me yet you can't see my rayn vote coming from a town thrawn makes me think you went looking into my meta already knowing the outcome of your results. Woah was he serious on your tits about the list early in the game? I thought it was fine, then again I may have felt that way initially because I was on it so yeehaw, whatever. Stupid thing to get hung up on. Your last point about meta is interesting, ET looked into your meta this game? Did he justify exactly the characteristics of a town Thrawn and how they apply to making a case on Rayn? Anyone can say they did the meta, but I prefer a demonstration because typically meta is used incorrectly anyway and I find it fun to laugh at it when that happens. In any case, correct or not, seeing the full explanation would be good. Also to respond to your previous question I'm developing scummy feelings coming from ET but I'll flesh that out after I finish coming through the thread again. | ||
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