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hey WoS, I think your vote was pretty dodgy, do you have any idea why I might be thinking that?
On November 04 2013 11:37 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 11:33 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 04 2013 11:14 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm sort of surprised I wasn't the target of his concern if he really wanted to get down to business. Can you refer me to what you're referring to? ##unvote hello rayn The absence of goofing around? Or what?
uhh I think I'm trying to ask why you instinctively thought that you would be whoever's "target of concern."
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On November 04 2013 11:42 thrawn2112 wrote:hey WoS, I think your vote was pretty dodgy, do you have any idea why I might be thinking that? Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 11:37 ObviousOne wrote:On November 04 2013 11:33 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 04 2013 11:14 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm sort of surprised I wasn't the target of his concern if he really wanted to get down to business. Can you refer me to what you're referring to? ##unvote hello rayn The absence of goofing around? Or what? uhh I think I'm trying to ask why you instinctively thought that you would be whoever's "target of concern."
You think you are, or you are? Change the operative word to "could" for your answer btw.
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On November 04 2013 09:22 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 08:53 Sylencia wrote:
So to anyone who was in the original game, other than our usual win-con, what else should we be looking at in terms of how Witchcraft works? Kind of strange to say "ususual win-con" as opposed to just "other than our win-con". How do YOU think Witchcraft should be handled?
On November 04 2013 10:07 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 09:50 Vanesco wrote:On November 04 2013 08:53 Sylencia wrote:
So to anyone who was in the original game, other than our usual win-con, what else should we be looking at in terms of how Witchcraft works? I don't really like this. You don't really put effort in to even cross-check the players from the last game (of witchcraft) which is really simple to do. The only player to play in the last one is Thrawn who was shot night 1. But I think that is not very relevant since each game can turn out different. I think you should come to your own conclusions on how to play this themed game instead of hoping others tell you how to play. It just seems like your not willing to put the effort in to even try to solve this game for yourself. It's also very dangerous to discuss strategy because scum can see everything also and can use that against town. I'm of the opinion that everybody should play the way THEY think is the correct way to play. Relax there. Anyone who's played with me before nows I'm at work during these hours - though lazy on my part I don't have the time to extensively browse through the past to find all the information I want. In any case I wasn't asking "how to win guys", it was more of a "were there any traps which caused trouble for town that we should look out for" but since there's an entirely new cast of players pretty much there's not really any answers to give unless someone here obsed the last game and can remember it.
If you have the time to write that paragraph, you have time to answer my question. Why won't you discuss your thoughts on Witchcraft, and only spend time defending yourself?
I disagree with people claiming actions, because if I voted someone as a blue and they avoided the blue-vig, I'd like to continue voting them.
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Vote Count!
Van (2): Umasi, WoS
Not Voting (11): ObviousOne, Cephiro, Sylencia, Sn0_man, gumshoe, thrawn, Onegu, ET, hzflank, Van, Rayn
With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Currently no-one is set to be lynched!
It is now Day 1. This Day ends in ~43 hours at Tuesday, Nov 05 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Make sure to get your THREE witchcraft votes in to Ange777 and Blazinghand by that time.
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On November 04 2013 11:48 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 09:22 EchelonTee wrote:On November 04 2013 08:53 Sylencia wrote:
So to anyone who was in the original game, other than our usual win-con, what else should we be looking at in terms of how Witchcraft works? Kind of strange to say "ususual win-con" as opposed to just "other than our win-con". How do YOU think Witchcraft should be handled? Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 10:07 Sylencia wrote:On November 04 2013 09:50 Vanesco wrote:On November 04 2013 08:53 Sylencia wrote:
So to anyone who was in the original game, other than our usual win-con, what else should we be looking at in terms of how Witchcraft works? I don't really like this. You don't really put effort in to even cross-check the players from the last game (of witchcraft) which is really simple to do. The only player to play in the last one is Thrawn who was shot night 1. But I think that is not very relevant since each game can turn out different. I think you should come to your own conclusions on how to play this themed game instead of hoping others tell you how to play. It just seems like your not willing to put the effort in to even try to solve this game for yourself. It's also very dangerous to discuss strategy because scum can see everything also and can use that against town. I'm of the opinion that everybody should play the way THEY think is the correct way to play. Relax there. Anyone who's played with me before nows I'm at work during these hours - though lazy on my part I don't have the time to extensively browse through the past to find all the information I want. In any case I wasn't asking "how to win guys", it was more of a "were there any traps which caused trouble for town that we should look out for" but since there's an entirely new cast of players pretty much there's not really any answers to give unless someone here obsed the last game and can remember it. If you have the time to write that paragraph, you have time to answer my question. Why won't you discuss your thoughts on Witchcraft, and only spend time defending yourself? I disagree with people claiming actions, because if I voted someone as a blue and they avoided the blue-vig, I'd like to continue voting them.
If you put Syl on the defensive by attacking for activity you are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of his lynch. That's just how it works with Syl. Try seeing what Syl does proactively first before you go all bat-shit with this. If you don't know Syl's MO then I'll make it one sentence for you: both alignments he ends up defending his activity to death and never gets the chance to do actual scum hunting. Therefore by leaving Syl to his devices you will more quickly get a feel for mindset and goals than cornering him.
This is specific to Syl only but you can check out some past games to see what I mean. A scum one was This Town Ain't Big Enough mafia if I recall correctly.
Please don't make it harder than it needs to be to get a read on Syl.
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I think the votes on Van are kinda shit.
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On November 04 2013 11:48 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 09:22 EchelonTee wrote:On November 04 2013 08:53 Sylencia wrote:
So to anyone who was in the original game, other than our usual win-con, what else should we be looking at in terms of how Witchcraft works? Kind of strange to say "ususual win-con" as opposed to just "other than our win-con". How do YOU think Witchcraft should be handled? Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 10:07 Sylencia wrote:On November 04 2013 09:50 Vanesco wrote:On November 04 2013 08:53 Sylencia wrote:
So to anyone who was in the original game, other than our usual win-con, what else should we be looking at in terms of how Witchcraft works? I don't really like this. You don't really put effort in to even cross-check the players from the last game (of witchcraft) which is really simple to do. The only player to play in the last one is Thrawn who was shot night 1. But I think that is not very relevant since each game can turn out different. I think you should come to your own conclusions on how to play this themed game instead of hoping others tell you how to play. It just seems like your not willing to put the effort in to even try to solve this game for yourself. It's also very dangerous to discuss strategy because scum can see everything also and can use that against town. I'm of the opinion that everybody should play the way THEY think is the correct way to play. Relax there. Anyone who's played with me before nows I'm at work during these hours - though lazy on my part I don't have the time to extensively browse through the past to find all the information I want. In any case I wasn't asking "how to win guys", it was more of a "were there any traps which caused trouble for town that we should look out for" but since there's an entirely new cast of players pretty much there's not really any answers to give unless someone here obsed the last game and can remember it. If you have the time to write that paragraph, you have time to answer my question. Why won't you discuss your thoughts on Witchcraft, and only spend time defending yourself? I disagree with people claiming actions, because if I voted someone as a blue and they avoided the blue-vig, I'd like to continue voting them.
Oh, didn't notice your question - because themed games have unusual win cons on occasion (see: Desert Mini Mafia), the usual is the standard kill all scum win-con. You're putting the statement under the microscope too far if you're trying to find weird things from that though.
Depending on how things go, my thought was that claiming actions isn't the greatest idea because then it's a guaranteed Witch Hunter snipe right? Never was a fan of people fake claiming either (in this case to bait the shot) since it just ends up causing so much confusion within the town (see: any time rayn tries that crap  )
@Rayn: Active me is the one to lynch if you look at my meta as scum :|
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On November 04 2013 11:44 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 11:42 thrawn2112 wrote:hey WoS, I think your vote was pretty dodgy, do you have any idea why I might be thinking that? On November 04 2013 11:37 ObviousOne wrote:On November 04 2013 11:33 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 04 2013 11:14 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm sort of surprised I wasn't the target of his concern if he really wanted to get down to business. Can you refer me to what you're referring to? ##unvote hello rayn The absence of goofing around? Or what? uhh I think I'm trying to ask why you instinctively thought that you would be whoever's "target of concern." You think you are, or you are? Change the operative word to "could" for your answer btw.
based on how much this post (temporarily ofc  ) pissed me off I'm no longer worried about you or interested in our conversation
This vanesco thing, I could hardly be less interested in any of the arguments against him. I AM interested in WoS's post and want him to get back to me before the magic wears off.
WoS in addition to my earlier question I have another for you. Assume your scum-o-meter is like one of those strongman games where you have to use a hammer to smash the thing to ring the bell. When you read Umasi's original case and considered Vanesco's scumminess, did your bell ring? Was it a stunning note of clarity or did the slide not even make it halfway to the bell?
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On November 04 2013 11:42 thrawn2112 wrote:hey WoS, I think your vote was pretty dodgy, do you have any idea why I might be thinking that? Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 11:37 ObviousOne wrote:On November 04 2013 11:33 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 04 2013 11:14 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm sort of surprised I wasn't the target of his concern if he really wanted to get down to business. Can you refer me to what you're referring to? ##unvote hello rayn The absence of goofing around? Or what? uhh I think I'm trying to ask why you instinctively thought that you would be whoever's "target of concern."
I have an idea, the question is, should I care whether you think that or not?
The same can be applied to Rayn's most recent thought.
Given Vanesco's latest post I'm happy with my vote where it is atm.
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On November 04 2013 11:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 11:07 ObviousOne wrote:On November 04 2013 11:03 Vanesco wrote:
Yes that was me WaveofShadow (what name abbreviation do you prefer?). I haven't played with anybody here but ObviousOne was host of my only TL game (Newbie Mini Mafia 50). If you just look at like first 1-2 pages of day 1 of that then you realize that I start off pretty similar. I don't like to start of games with "oh how is everybody doing, lets have fun and make jokes guys". That contributes very little to town in my opinion and just putting something on someone will always get the conversation rolling. Overall I'm happy the game is being started (more seriously) and that suspicion is being put on people (even if it is me). We are never going to gain anything just sitting around and making jokes all day. Vanesco seems like a reasonable fellow at the moment, he was the tat to my tit, the business time to my business socks. I like his response here. WoS could make that response as either side, I interpret his endorsement of Umasi purely as appreciation for that post. The tidbit about not even liking to sheep makes me lean more town than scum. Why dat? I feel like my first instinct (meta aside) if I were analyzing a post like that would be scum making early excuses for himself. Seems like an odd conclusion to draw.
OO, I don't think you understood what I was saying here btw.
WHat I was saying was that I'm not sure why you gave me a townread based on me talking about sheeping; excluding meta if I saw anyone else do what I just did I'd be more likely to think that is scum-indicative.
Care to respond?
Thrawn, your latest post:
Probs 3/4 of the way up. If he's town he has plenty of time to prove himself in terms of nooby vs scummy, though since he says he has experience outside of the forum I'm less inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Especially because I get burned on that pretty damn often.
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On November 04 2013 12:07 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 11:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 04 2013 11:07 ObviousOne wrote:On November 04 2013 11:03 Vanesco wrote:
Yes that was me WaveofShadow (what name abbreviation do you prefer?). I haven't played with anybody here but ObviousOne was host of my only TL game (Newbie Mini Mafia 50). If you just look at like first 1-2 pages of day 1 of that then you realize that I start off pretty similar. I don't like to start of games with "oh how is everybody doing, lets have fun and make jokes guys". That contributes very little to town in my opinion and just putting something on someone will always get the conversation rolling. Overall I'm happy the game is being started (more seriously) and that suspicion is being put on people (even if it is me). We are never going to gain anything just sitting around and making jokes all day. Vanesco seems like a reasonable fellow at the moment, he was the tat to my tit, the business time to my business socks. I like his response here. WoS could make that response as either side, I interpret his endorsement of Umasi purely as appreciation for that post. The tidbit about not even liking to sheep makes me lean more town than scum. Why dat? I feel like my first instinct (meta aside) if I were analyzing a post like that would be scum making early excuses for himself. Seems like an odd conclusion to draw. OO, I don't think you understood what I was saying here btw. WHat I was saying was that I'm not sure why you gave me a townread based on me talking about sheeping; excluding meta if I saw anyone else do what I just did I'd be more likely to think that is scum-indicative. Care to respond? Thrawn, your latest post: Probs 3/4 of the way up. If he's town he has plenty of time to prove himself in terms of nooby vs scummy, though since he says he has experience outside of the forum I'm less inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Especially because I get burned on that pretty damn often.
You literally handed over any thread control you could have gained to someone else and that's not something I would associate with scum-you doing.
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On November 04 2013 12:08 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 12:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 04 2013 11:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 04 2013 11:07 ObviousOne wrote:On November 04 2013 11:03 Vanesco wrote:
Yes that was me WaveofShadow (what name abbreviation do you prefer?). I haven't played with anybody here but ObviousOne was host of my only TL game (Newbie Mini Mafia 50). If you just look at like first 1-2 pages of day 1 of that then you realize that I start off pretty similar. I don't like to start of games with "oh how is everybody doing, lets have fun and make jokes guys". That contributes very little to town in my opinion and just putting something on someone will always get the conversation rolling. Overall I'm happy the game is being started (more seriously) and that suspicion is being put on people (even if it is me). We are never going to gain anything just sitting around and making jokes all day. Vanesco seems like a reasonable fellow at the moment, he was the tat to my tit, the business time to my business socks. I like his response here. WoS could make that response as either side, I interpret his endorsement of Umasi purely as appreciation for that post. The tidbit about not even liking to sheep makes me lean more town than scum. Why dat? I feel like my first instinct (meta aside) if I were analyzing a post like that would be scum making early excuses for himself. Seems like an odd conclusion to draw. OO, I don't think you understood what I was saying here btw. WHat I was saying was that I'm not sure why you gave me a townread based on me talking about sheeping; excluding meta if I saw anyone else do what I just did I'd be more likely to think that is scum-indicative. Care to respond? Thrawn, your latest post: Probs 3/4 of the way up. If he's town he has plenty of time to prove himself in terms of nooby vs scummy, though since he says he has experience outside of the forum I'm less inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Especially because I get burned on that pretty damn often. You literally handed over any thread control you could have gained to someone else and that's not something I would associate with scum-you doing.
Have you ever seen scum-me?
And thread control based on first post?
And 'giving it up' to Umasi?
Like....I think I sort of follow your thought process maybe but that's a really weird way of explaining it. Why would you think I'd have to establish control of the thread in my first post? Do any of my first posts as town accomplish this? How does sheeping Umasi remove any credibility I may or may not have?
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WoS what was it about Van you were after?
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On November 04 2013 12:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 12:08 ObviousOne wrote:On November 04 2013 12:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 04 2013 11:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 04 2013 11:07 ObviousOne wrote:On November 04 2013 11:03 Vanesco wrote:
Yes that was me WaveofShadow (what name abbreviation do you prefer?). I haven't played with anybody here but ObviousOne was host of my only TL game (Newbie Mini Mafia 50). If you just look at like first 1-2 pages of day 1 of that then you realize that I start off pretty similar. I don't like to start of games with "oh how is everybody doing, lets have fun and make jokes guys". That contributes very little to town in my opinion and just putting something on someone will always get the conversation rolling. Overall I'm happy the game is being started (more seriously) and that suspicion is being put on people (even if it is me). We are never going to gain anything just sitting around and making jokes all day. Vanesco seems like a reasonable fellow at the moment, he was the tat to my tit, the business time to my business socks. I like his response here. WoS could make that response as either side, I interpret his endorsement of Umasi purely as appreciation for that post. The tidbit about not even liking to sheep makes me lean more town than scum. Why dat? I feel like my first instinct (meta aside) if I were analyzing a post like that would be scum making early excuses for himself. Seems like an odd conclusion to draw. OO, I don't think you understood what I was saying here btw. WHat I was saying was that I'm not sure why you gave me a townread based on me talking about sheeping; excluding meta if I saw anyone else do what I just did I'd be more likely to think that is scum-indicative. Care to respond? Thrawn, your latest post: Probs 3/4 of the way up. If he's town he has plenty of time to prove himself in terms of nooby vs scummy, though since he says he has experience outside of the forum I'm less inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Especially because I get burned on that pretty damn often. You literally handed over any thread control you could have gained to someone else and that's not something I would associate with scum-you doing. Have you ever seen scum-me? And thread control based on first post? And 'giving it up' to Umasi? Like....I think I sort of follow your thought process maybe but that's a really weird way of explaining it. Why would you think I'd have to establish control of the thread in my first post? Do any of my first posts as town accomplish this? How does sheeping Umasi remove any credibility I may or may not have?
It wasn't like a huge ass town read I got from it, just a leaning away from default null (unless you count my earlier joke about how all'a'y'all be scum). It's an interesting thing to track as the game progresses but most importantly it's day one and I'm establishing base-line reads. That doesn't mean I agree with Umasi's case or your sheeping of it but it's a nugget I extracted from it. It's interesting that you contest me on this, but that idea leads to WIFOM city so I'll not bother you with that.
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You were scum with Vayne in Les Mafia right WoS?
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On November 04 2013 12:14 ObviousOne wrote:
You were scum with Vayne in Les Mafia right WoS?
What do you want to know, i can answer.
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On November 04 2013 12:14 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 12:10 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 04 2013 12:08 ObviousOne wrote:On November 04 2013 12:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 04 2013 11:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 04 2013 11:07 ObviousOne wrote:On November 04 2013 11:03 Vanesco wrote:
Yes that was me WaveofShadow (what name abbreviation do you prefer?). I haven't played with anybody here but ObviousOne was host of my only TL game (Newbie Mini Mafia 50). If you just look at like first 1-2 pages of day 1 of that then you realize that I start off pretty similar. I don't like to start of games with "oh how is everybody doing, lets have fun and make jokes guys". That contributes very little to town in my opinion and just putting something on someone will always get the conversation rolling. Overall I'm happy the game is being started (more seriously) and that suspicion is being put on people (even if it is me). We are never going to gain anything just sitting around and making jokes all day. Vanesco seems like a reasonable fellow at the moment, he was the tat to my tit, the business time to my business socks. I like his response here. WoS could make that response as either side, I interpret his endorsement of Umasi purely as appreciation for that post. The tidbit about not even liking to sheep makes me lean more town than scum. Why dat? I feel like my first instinct (meta aside) if I were analyzing a post like that would be scum making early excuses for himself. Seems like an odd conclusion to draw. OO, I don't think you understood what I was saying here btw. WHat I was saying was that I'm not sure why you gave me a townread based on me talking about sheeping; excluding meta if I saw anyone else do what I just did I'd be more likely to think that is scum-indicative. Care to respond? Thrawn, your latest post: Probs 3/4 of the way up. If he's town he has plenty of time to prove himself in terms of nooby vs scummy, though since he says he has experience outside of the forum I'm less inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Especially because I get burned on that pretty damn often. You literally handed over any thread control you could have gained to someone else and that's not something I would associate with scum-you doing. Have you ever seen scum-me? And thread control based on first post? And 'giving it up' to Umasi? Like....I think I sort of follow your thought process maybe but that's a really weird way of explaining it. Why would you think I'd have to establish control of the thread in my first post? Do any of my first posts as town accomplish this? How does sheeping Umasi remove any credibility I may or may not have? It wasn't like a huge ass town read I got from it, just a leaning away from default null (unless you count my earlier joke about how all'a'y'all be scum). It's an interesting thing to track as the game progresses but most importantly it's day one and I'm establishing base-line reads. That doesn't mean I agree with Umasi's case or your sheeping of it but it's a nugget I extracted from it. It's interesting that you contest me on this, but that idea leads to WIFOM city so I'll not bother you with that.
Always gotta know dem thought processes, bro.
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On November 04 2013 12:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 12:14 ObviousOne wrote:
You were scum with Vayne in Les Mafia right WoS? What do you want to know, i can answer.
Just making sure I remembered correctly. I figured out he was scum in that game relatively handily by just starting to read towards the last day or two of the game and how his narrative started to fall apart (to me, as an uninvested observer). Are you familiar with his more recent scum games and has it improved significantly if you are?
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On November 04 2013 12:23 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 12:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 04 2013 12:14 ObviousOne wrote:
You were scum with Vayne in Les Mafia right WoS? What do you want to know, i can answer. Just making sure I remembered correctly. I figured out he was scum in that game relatively handily by just starting to read towards the last day or two of the game and how his narrative started to fall apart (to me, as an uninvested observer). Are you familiar with his more recent scum games and has it improved significantly if you are?
I want to know what the hell does this have to do with Vayne and why?
Afaik WoS has not been scum since Les.
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god i just realized i ahve been calling WoS "really good " as scum and i have only seen him play scum once, in a game i died N1.. :p
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