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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On November 04 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I want to know what the hell does this have to do with Vayne and why? Afaik WoS has not been scum since Les. le sigh because they were scum together? Anyway it's a moot point and we can drop it if that was his last scum game; I have some semblance of an idea of what to look for regarding him. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On November 04 2013 12:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: god i just realized i ahve been calling WoS "really good " as scum and i have only seen him play scum once, in a game i died N1.. :p omg rayn scum making up bullshit totes votes | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
“I will be firm and call someone scum because that is a town thing to do. That guy was not being firm, so he is the guy that I will call scum. Raaaar, I'm so townly!” Umasi is my biggest scum read right now. Nothing to ask him really as I expect he will make a response to Van's response anyway, which is what I want to see. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On November 04 2013 12:33 hzflank wrote: Umasi's first post was too how-to-look-town-101 for a first post with no follow-up. “I will be firm and call someone scum because that is a town thing to do. That guy was not being firm, so he is the guy that I will call scum. Raaaar, I'm so townly!” Umasi is my biggest scum read right now. Nothing to ask him really as I expect he will make a response to Van's response anyway, which is what I want to see. Dude, so meta. Umasi calls out Vanesco for not being firm who called out Sylencia for not being firm. SO MUCH FIRM hzflank do you think that is alignment indicative of anyone involved in the cycle of firmness? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On November 04 2013 12:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: god i just realized i ahve been calling WoS "really good " as scum and i have only seen him play scum once, in a game i died N1.. :p Also this made me laugh. For the record, I have only been scum once, in that game. I have never once professed to be 'really good' at it, though I wish I could roll it more often to find out. Although I guess we're kinda like scum in this game 'cause we're trying to kill the good guys, right? | ||
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Vanesco
United States105 Posts
On November 04 2013 10:30 Umasi wrote: I think it's scummy that I read this and I can't tell if you think Sylencia is scummy or not, when my first impression was 'he's acting accusatory' (with your first line) but then continue reading and can't actually determine if you just think his thoughts are bad or if he's scummy for his lack of ideas on the setup and for him not looking up a player list. Also, asking us not to discuss strategy is blatantly scum agenda. ##Vote: Vanesco Also, I support claiming votes and actions after they occur, so once it's back to the blues being VTs and unviggable, can't really think of a downside. I find it interesting that Umasi's only post is this. He has conveniently left and I would like to hear more of his current thoughts. He says he cannot determine if i "just think his (Syl's) thoughts are bad or if he's scummy" and it seems he uses that as one of his reasons why he thinks I'm scummy, which seems like a stretch of a reasoning in my opinion. His only real accusation seems to be that anybody not wanting strategy to be discussed is obviously scum when my reasoning is that scum can use it as meta (unless the plan is completely foolproof, which in this case it is not). | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On November 04 2013 12:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Dude, so meta. Umasi calls out Vanesco for not being firm who called out Sylencia for not being firm. SO MUCH FIRM hzflank do you think that is alignment indicative of anyone involved in the cycle of firmness? Vanesco did not call out Sylencia for not being firm. Who we are firm with is very alignment indicative. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On November 04 2013 12:37 WaveofShadow wrote: Also this made me laugh. For the record, I have only been scum once, in that game. I have never once professed to be 'really good' at it, though I wish I could roll it more often to find out. Although I guess we're kinda like scum in this game 'cause we're trying to kill the good guys, right? No really. I have always somehow assumed (regardless of my alignment) i have a good grasp of your "meta". And i just realized that's fucking bullshit. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I have no ide why i have done so before.. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
PSA: it is Nov 04 2013 which means I'm wearing a special hat for special people so I will likely NOT be sober at any given moment over the next 24-ish hrs I don't see anything blatantly scummy atm, but I do want to throw this list out there: rayn WoS Sylencia OO Vanesco Umasi if you aren't on this list then that means you either haven't posted, or you haven't posted anything memorable and as such you will be who I focus on first upon returning to the thread. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
On November 04 2013 12:33 hzflank wrote: Umasi's first post was too how-to-look-town-101 for a first post with no follow-up. “I will be firm and call someone scum because that is a town thing to do. That guy was not being firm, so he is the guy that I will call scum. Raaaar, I'm so townly!” Umasi is my biggest scum read right now. Nothing to ask him really as I expect he will make a response to Van's response anyway, which is what I want to see. hear me roar I'm pleased with keeping my vote on Vanesco. On November 04 2013 11:03 Vanesco wrote: Yes that was me WaveofShadow (what name abbreviation do you prefer?). I haven't played with anybody here but ObviousOne was host of my only TL game (Newbie Mini Mafia 50). If you just look at like first 1-2 pages of day 1 of that then you realize that I start off pretty similar. I don't like to start of games with "oh how is everybody doing, lets have fun and make jokes guys". That contributes very little to town in my opinion and just putting something on someone will always get the conversation rolling. Overall I'm happy the game is being started (more seriously) and that suspicion is being put on people (even if it is me). We are never going to gain anything just sitting around and making jokes all day. If he wanted suspicion to be on people, he would have pressured sylencia harder instead of keeping it ambiguous. Main reasons we should vote for Vanesco is A: he preferred for a lack of talk about witchcraft specific mechanics (which is scum agenda but wuevuh) B: Ambiguous post about Sylencia, which was scummy at the time for being ambiguous and scumm-ier after ^^^that quote, as explained. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On November 04 2013 12:47 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm out for a bit...fairly bland start so far PSA: it is Nov 04 2013 which means I'm wearing a special hat for special people so I will likely NOT be sober at any given moment over the next 24-ish hrs I don't see anything blatantly scummy atm, but I do want to throw this list out there: rayn WoS Sylencia OO Vanesco Umasi if you aren't on this list then that means you either haven't posted, or you haven't posted anything memorable and as such you will be who I focus on first upon returning to the thread. Enjoy.  On November 04 2013 12:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean that i can read you if i am town / abuse your meta if i am scum. I have no ide why i have done so before.. lol...I imagine that may have been the reason why I have been so incredulous with some of your tunneling in some games, dude.  In any case I don't think there's a great deal to my meta, but that may be pretty bullshit since I haven't even played scum in months and I'm pretty sure I won't play it the same way I did the first time. On November 04 2013 12:42 hzflank wrote: Vanesco did not call out Sylencia for not being firm. Who we are firm with is very alignment indicative. Oh rearry? On November 04 2013 10:30 Umasi wrote: I think it's scummy that I read this and I can't tell if you think Sylencia is scummy or not, when my first impression was 'he's acting accusatory' (with your first line) but then continue reading and can't actually determine if you just think his thoughts are bad or if he's scummy for his lack of ideas on the setup and for him not looking up a player list. Also, asking us not to discuss strategy is blatantly scum agenda. ##Vote: Vanesco Also, I support claiming votes and actions after they occur, so once it's back to the blues being VTs and unviggable, can't really think of a downside. Hmm...upon reading I suppose you're right technically but that may have been the way I interpreted it. Not being able to tell what Vanesco truly thinks about Sylencia can certainly be considered him not being firm on his stance on Sylencia---he didn't really take much of a stance. As for 'who we are firm with,' care to elaborate? I asked you a question and you just gave me a very generic answer, without the specifics I was asking for. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
I think what Thrawn was getting at was this line: On November 04 2013 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Vanesco's post looks like typical 'scum trying to jump on the first odd thing somebody does for early game contributions n' shizz. You are aware that scum sometimes jump on to something. The thing that you don't mention is that scum tend to do this if they think at least one town will also jump on it, as that allows them to place/leave their vote on the target for a longer period of time. I could certainly argue that Vanesco did this with his first post, but then one may also argue that you did the same. Basically, that sentence was a little bit hypocritical. On November 04 2013 12:55 WaveofShadow wrote: As for 'who we are firm with,' care to elaborate? I asked you a question and you just gave me a very generic answer, without the specifics I was asking for. Well, sometimes a man....actually we are not having that conversation. On November 04 2013 12:35 WaveofShadow wrote: hzflank do you think that is alignment indicative of anyone involved in the cycle of firmness? Yes. If you enter a game with a really direct post where you call someone scum, it is probably for one of two reasons. Either you think it's time that the game got rolling and you want to change the style of conversation that is taking place, or you want your first post to make you look like you are town. Umasi wanted to look like he was town, because if he were trying to direct the conversation to be more about post analysis and scum hunting then he would not of added this last sentence to his post. On November 04 2013 10:30 Umasi wrote: Also, I support claiming votes and actions after they occur, so once it's back to the blues being VTs and unviggable, can't really think of a downside. Ofcourse, it is fair to point out that trying to look like town does not always make a person scum. But trying to look like town in your very first post makes someone (Umasi) look like uncomfortable scum. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On November 04 2013 13:10 hzflank wrote: WoS has only played scum once? Then wth was he doing coaching me in my first scum game. I even said before it started that having WoS as a coach was a handicap, and still they let this uni-scummer coach us. I think what Thrawn was getting at was this line: You are aware that scum sometimes jump on to something. The thing that you don't mention is that scum tend to do this if they think at least one town will also jump on it, as that allows them to place/leave their vote on the target for a longer period of time. I could certainly argue that Vanesco did this with his first post, but then one may also argue that you did the same. Basically, that sentence was a little bit hypocritical. Well, sometimes a man....actually we are not having that conversation. Yes. If you enter a game with a really direct post where you call someone scum, it is probably for one of two reasons. Either you think it's time that the game got rolling and you want to change the style of conversation that is taking place, or you want your first post to make you look like you are town. Umasi wanted to look like he was town, because if he were trying to direct the conversation to be more about post analysis and scum hunting then he would not of added this last sentence to his post. Ofcourse, it is fair to point out that trying to look like town does not always make a person scum. But trying to look like town in your very first post makes someone (Umasi) look like uncomfortable scum. Yeah, come to mention it, I do remember you being a jerk to me for absolutely no reason while I was trying to help you that game. Thanks. I mentioned to BH (who was hosting) that I thought it would probably be better if someone else did it but he said it was fine. Really glad I can look forward to this attitude from you throughout this game too. As for hypocrisy, I don't need to try to contribute, or look like I'm contributing. I fucking DO contribute. I don't think Umasi looks uncomfortable at all. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
I was a jerk to you before that game started. That was intend as a joke, I did not mean any offense. I am genuinly very grateful for your assistance during that game. Okay that said, back to being a jerk and playing this game. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
On November 04 2013 12:00 ObviousOne wrote: If you put Syl on the defensive by attacking for activity you are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of his lynch. That's just how it works with Syl. Try seeing what Syl does proactively first before you go all bat-shit with this. If you don't know Syl's MO then I'll make it one sentence for you: both alignments he ends up defending his activity to death and never gets the chance to do actual scum hunting. Therefore by leaving Syl to his devices you will more quickly get a feel for mindset and goals than cornering him. This is specific to Syl only but you can check out some past games to see what I mean. A scum one was This Town Ain't Big Enough mafia if I recall correctly. Please don't make it harder than it needs to be to get a read on Syl. I'm asking simple questions, not going all bat-shit. Please don't misrepresent me. I am not attacking based off of a lack of activity. I am pointing out that if Syl had the chance to write those lines, he had the time to respond to a simple question. I'm not going to baby someone; that's simply disrespectful. | ||
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Vanesco
United States105 Posts
I'm having a really big scum read on Umasi currently. As explained before, in his first post I think only consists of 1 real accusation which is that I do not like talking about strategy since scum can meta it. To me it seems that he wants town to discuss strategy which leads me to the two most likely conclusions. 1) He doesn't know what to do, usually means a weak town and can be tricked easily by scum, or 2) mafia that wants to know the towns plans and how to use it against them His only other post is him making a joke at somebody who thinks he's scum and then saying that I didn't pressure Syl hard (which I explain in the paragraph above). He then talks about how I don't like to talk about strategy which I explain why above. He mistakenly calls strategy "mechanics" when they are completely different things (in my opinion). I view mechanics as the rules of the game where strategy is how to play the game. I don't know if this is just me but it seems like he wants to blame that I'm not allowing people to discuss the rules of the game when infact I just don't like when people discuss the strategy they are going to use. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
On November 04 2013 13:44 Vanesco wrote: I'm having a really big scum read on Umasi currently. As explained before, in his first post I think only consists of 1 real accusation which is that I do not like talking about strategy since scum can meta it. To me it seems that he wants town to discuss strategy which leads me to the two most likely conclusions. 1) He doesn't know what to do, usually means a weak town and can be tricked easily by scum, or 2) mafia that wants to know the towns plans and how to use it against them His only other post is him making a joke at somebody who thinks he's scum and then saying that I didn't pressure Syl hard (which I explain in the paragraph above). He then talks about how I don't like to talk about strategy which I explain why above. He mistakenly calls strategy "mechanics" when they are completely different things (in my opinion). I view mechanics as the rules of the game where strategy is how to play the game. I don't know if this is just me but it seems like he wants to blame that I'm not allowing people to discuss the rules of the game when infact I just don't like when people discuss the strategy they are going to use. I don't like him. Where's the vote? | ||
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Vanesco
United States105 Posts
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