Witchcraft Mini Mafia II - Page 9

On November 04 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I want to know what the hell does this have to do with Vayne and why?
Afaik WoS has not been scum since Les.

On November 04 2013 12:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
god i just realized i ahve been calling WoS "really good " as scum and i have only seen him play scum once, in a game i died N1.. :p

On November 04 2013 12:33 hzflank wrote:
Umasi's first post was too how-to-look-town-101 for a first post with no follow-up.

“I will be firm and call someone scum because that is a town thing to do. That guy was not being firm, so he is the guy that I will call scum. Raaaar, I'm so townly!”

Umasi is my biggest scum read right now. Nothing to ask him really as I expect he will make a response to Van's response anyway, which is what I want to see.

On November 04 2013 12:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
god i just realized i ahve been calling WoS "really good " as scum and i have only seen him play scum once, in a game i died N1.. :p

On November 04 2013 10:30 Umasi wrote:
I think it's scummy that I read this and I can't tell if you think Sylencia is scummy or not, when my first impression was 'he's acting accusatory' (with your first line) but then continue reading and can't actually determine if you just think his thoughts are bad or if he's scummy for his lack of ideas on the setup and for him not looking up a player list.
Also, asking us not to discuss strategy is blatantly scum agenda.
##Vote: Vanesco
Also, I support claiming votes and actions after they occur, so once it's back to the blues being VTs and unviggable, can't really think of a downside.

On November 04 2013 12:35 WaveofShadow wrote:

Dude, so meta.
Umasi calls out Vanesco for not being firm who called out Sylencia for not being firm.
SO MUCH FIRM

hzflank do you think that is alignment indicative of anyone involved in the cycle of firmness?

On November 04 2013 12:37 WaveofShadow wrote:

Also this made me laugh.
For the record, I have only been scum once, in that game. I have never once professed to be 'really good' at it, though I wish I could roll it more often to find out.

Although I guess we're kinda like scum in this game 'cause we're trying to kill the good guys, right?

On November 04 2013 12:33 hzflank wrote:
Umasi's first post was too how-to-look-town-101 for a first post with no follow-up.

“I will be firm and call someone scum because that is a town thing to do. That guy was not being firm, so he is the guy that I will call scum. Raaaar, I'm so townly!”

Umasi is my biggest scum read right now. Nothing to ask him really as I expect he will make a response to Van's response anyway, which is what I want to see.

On November 04 2013 11:03 Vanesco wrote:
Yes that was me WaveofShadow (what name abbreviation do you prefer?). I haven't played with anybody here but ObviousOne was host of my only TL game (Newbie Mini Mafia 50). If you just look at like first 1-2 pages of day 1 of that then you realize that I start off pretty similar. I don't like to start of games with "oh how is everybody doing, lets have fun and make jokes guys". That contributes very little to town in my opinion and just putting something on someone will always get the conversation rolling. Overall I'm happy the game is being started (more seriously) and that suspicion is being put on people (even if it is me). We are never going to gain anything just sitting around and making jokes all day.

On November 04 2013 12:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm out for a bit...fairly bland start so far

PSA: it is Nov 04 2013 which means I'm wearing a special hat for special people so I will likely NOT be sober at any given moment over the next 24-ish hrs

I don't see anything blatantly scummy atm, but I do want to throw this list out there:

rayn
WoS
Sylencia
OO
Vanesco
Umasi

if you aren't on this list then that means you either haven't posted, or you haven't posted anything memorable and as such you will be who I focus on first upon returning to the thread.

On November 04 2013 12:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean that i can read you if i am town / abuse your meta if i am scum.
I have no ide why i have done so before..

On November 04 2013 12:42 hzflank wrote:


Vanesco did not call out Sylencia for not being firm.

Who we are firm with is very alignment indicative.

On November 04 2013 10:30 Umasi wrote:

I think it's scummy that I read this and I can't tell if you think Sylencia is scummy or not, when my first impression was 'he's acting accusatory' (with your first line) but then continue reading and can't actually determine if you just think his thoughts are bad or if he's scummy for his lack of ideas on the setup and for him not looking up a player list.
Also, asking us not to discuss strategy is blatantly scum agenda.
##Vote: Vanesco
Also, I support claiming votes and actions after they occur, so once it's back to the blues being VTs and unviggable, can't really think of a downside.

On November 04 2013 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Vanesco's post looks like typical 'scum trying to jump on the first odd thing somebody does for early game contributions n' shizz.

On November 04 2013 12:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for 'who we are firm with,' care to elaborate? I asked you a question and you just gave me a very generic answer, without the specifics I was asking for.

On November 04 2013 12:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
hzflank do you think that is alignment indicative of anyone involved in the cycle of firmness?

On November 04 2013 10:30 Umasi wrote:
Also, I support claiming votes and actions after they occur, so once it's back to the blues being VTs and unviggable, can't really think of a downside.

On November 04 2013 13:10 hzflank wrote:
WoS has only played scum once? Then wth was he doing coaching me in my first scum game. I even said before it started that having WoS as a coach was a handicap, and still they let this uni-scummer coach us.

I think what Thrawn was getting at was this line:



You are aware that scum sometimes jump on to something. The thing that you don't mention is that scum tend to do this if they think at least one town will also jump on it, as that allows them to place/leave their vote on the target for a longer period of time. I could certainly argue that Vanesco did this with his first post, but then one may also argue that you did the same.

Basically, that sentence was a little bit hypocritical.



Well, sometimes a man....actually we are not having that conversation.



Yes. If you enter a game with a really direct post where you call someone scum, it is probably for one of two reasons. Either you think it's time that the game got rolling and you want to change the style of conversation that is taking place, or you want your first post to make you look like you are town.

Umasi wanted to look like he was town, because if he were trying to direct the conversation to be more about post analysis and scum hunting then he would not of added this last sentence to his post.



Ofcourse, it is fair to point out that trying to look like town does not always make a person scum. But trying to look like town in your very first post makes someone (Umasi) look like uncomfortable scum.

On November 04 2013 12:00 ObviousOne wrote:

If you put Syl on the defensive by attacking for activity you are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of his lynch. That's just how it works with Syl. Try seeing what Syl does proactively first before you go all bat-shit with this. If you don't know Syl's MO then I'll make it one sentence for you: both alignments he ends up defending his activity to death and never gets the chance to do actual scum hunting. Therefore by leaving Syl to his devices you will more quickly get a feel for mindset and goals than cornering him.

This is specific to Syl only but you can check out some past games to see what I mean. A scum one was This Town Ain't Big Enough mafia if I recall correctly.

Please don't make it harder than it needs to be to get a read on Syl.

On November 04 2013 13:44 Vanesco wrote:
I'm having a really big scum read on Umasi currently. As explained before, in his first post I think only consists of 1 real accusation which is that I do not like talking about strategy since scum can meta it. To me it seems that he wants town to discuss strategy which leads me to the two most likely conclusions.
1) He doesn't know what to do, usually means a weak town and can be tricked easily by scum, or
2) mafia that wants to know the towns plans and how to use it against them
His only other post is him making a joke at somebody who thinks he's scum and then saying that I didn't pressure Syl hard (which I explain in the paragraph above). He then talks about how I don't like to talk about strategy which I explain why above. He mistakenly calls strategy "mechanics" when they are completely different things (in my opinion). I view mechanics as the rules of the game where strategy is how to play the game. I don't know if this is just me but it seems like he wants to blame that I'm not allowing people to discuss the rules of the game when infact I just don't like when people discuss the strategy they are going to use.