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WoS/Sn0 are kinda in the same category for me. I can read their posts and easily predict what they're going to say next because their posts make it easy for me to see into their thought process. Their reactions to things are often exactly how I imagine they'd be. It's not about completely seeing eye to eye on everything, it's that for whatever reason both of them are like an open book. I am most sure about WoS. Sn0 only needs to talk more so I can be sure he's not faking it. I just read Umasi's filter over and over and I think he's town. He had an awkward start imo, but I have to give him points for sticking to his guns about Van as long as he did in the face of so much opposition. I really like page 2 of his filter, specifically everything leading up to the lynch. This is a hard sentiment to convey to people who weren't there, but during the lynch I felt like he was trying to be helpful and figure things out. hzflank. I stand by my earlier remark that a scum player who just narrowly avoided a lynch wouldn't be so casual about displaying his amusement for all the thread to see. When it was looking like he was about to die he had just the right "yeah I know I'm about to be lynched and that sucks but I'd still like to help" attitude. I feel VERY confident about all the above reads. EchelonTee. It's time for me to eat my hat because I I just read his whole filter, something I don't think I've done since before rayn's case and as I'm looking at it now I'm seeing everything differently. Previously I was thrown off by his anger at being accused which seemed real enough, but on this read through I realized it doesn't really look like "townie anger." By that I mean it looks like he actually is mad because he's being accused of being scum for shit reasons that aren't true. Imo this is very different than when a townie gets mad, there's always a hint of paranoia in their anger and you can often feel their frustration or depression. The kind of scum anger I'm talking about is like "fuck this guy, he's right about me being scum but for all the wrong reasons so fuck him, he's stupid." THAT is the kind of anger that I sense when I read ET's posts. Here are some examples.. + Show Spoiler + On November 05 2013 14:45 EchelonTee wrote: That was the very beginning of the game. I wanted Syl to talk. It did not succeed because apparntly I am supposed to expect that Syl will not respond rationally to questions. On November 05 2013 17:54 EchelonTee wrote: I don't get the point of trying to play well and trying to improve when people are going to self-vote and simply state that they don't care enough about the game to contribute. A lot has gone on and it should not be difficult to find at least one person scummier than the others. On November 06 2013 03:09 EchelonTee wrote: Fuck the meta analysis. Fine my case was shit, I didn't know that thrawn was smurfing that game. I already indicated I would back away from my case if I had made a mistake so I think it's completely messed up that you are arguing I am twisting information when I am trying to be as reasonable as possible. I can't believe that you are trying to push a lynch on me at this stage in the game when there is almost no chance I will be lynched. You are contributing to a no-lynch and had better get off of me right now. My main point about thrawn has always been that he didn't do anything, which he himself acknowledges. I guess that's fine in Mafia these days. Vote people who are trying to do things and ignore people who do nothing. I am paying attention and am not making up things on the fly. I'm extremely, extremely insulted that you claim so. Compare my 1:1 with other players to the game and seriously, I'm the one who isn't paying attention to thread? I'm the most scummy to you? I don't even know what to say. I disagree that gumshoe's interactions/contributions are fake, and therefore I'm scum. Seriously. ##Unvote What I feel from that is the anger comes from him being frustrated that he's trying his hardest to play a good scum game, but there are townies who in his opinion are playing like idiots and getting away with it. Rayn I should have listened to you but you started off this game playing so fucking weirdly that I don't think I was of the mindset to trust anything you said in D1. On the topic of rayn's case against ET.... Anyone who's played with me in the past KNOWS that even though I often end a game with a huge tryhard filter, I do NOT always take the game seriously. Anyone who does any meta research should know this. Yes, you'll see the occasional wall-of-text serious post like the one I'm typing now, but I put out about as much stupidity as I do seriousness. So how could ET possibly think I am some super serious mafia player who never trolls around or makes silly or useless posts? I do it all the time! While trying to categorize me as someone who will always write legitimate cases, he used this example from one of my past games to show how much different my play in this game was from my "normal" town play: On March 06 2013 02:11 thrawn2112 wrote: prom -not reading the thread (less than 10 pages wtf) -taking things that happened early game super seriously -not being my friend oh this is interesting so i guess he was reading the thread and knew about me not reading my role pm at the start.... yet he is trying to judge my alignment.... - -wtf could he have possibly been talking about in regards to the questions about thrawn -taking things that happened early game super seriously -the above point, while trying to act all silly himself... it reminds me of hapa's seal posts -not being my friend scum lol does that look like a serious tryhard case to anyone? Did ET even bother reading that post before including it in his case? So what rayn's earlier point, and what my point now is, is that if ET had done any real meta research at all he would definitely NOT have written the case against me that he did. Another thing he criticized me for was my "unexplained" vote for rayn. I have issue with that, that it was unexplained, but I don't really even care about that. Back to the meta research, if he'd done research into my town games he'll find that they're chock-full of stupid-ass unexplained votes. So once again, the case ET wrote against me is NOT a case that anyone who'd done meta research would write. I may or may not finish this imediately and cover everyone, but for now I wanna see what the thread has to say. The reads I gave here are the ones I'm most confident about. Everyone else is some random shade of null. ##unvote ##vote:hopeless1der lol i'm sorry hopeless but that's just how it is  | ||
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I'm gonna have to bail on that rayn-train lol | ||
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I see you spend time making hzflank out to be scum, you decide that rayn is scum for letting the scum hzflank slip through? Why not just vote for hzflank then? Oh right, because WoS is already pushing a rayn lynch. Did I get that right? | ||
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On November 07 2013 13:18 Onegu wrote: I think they are both scum.... I just pointed that out.... I am ok with either lynch. The only reason you give for rayn being scum is because you think he was trying to save hzflank. You do not think rayn is mafia you are just voting him because you think WoS will help push his mislynch. ##unvote ##vote:Onegu I guess hopeless gets another 72 hrs | ||
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On November 07 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Also sorry thrawn having severe idgaf issues right now. I'll get to the stuff I promised eventually. yeah I know. but forget about ET and rayn for now because this vote onegu just made is crazy. I looked through his filter and he never talks to or about rayn as if he thinks he's mafia. Onegu never implies that he thinks rayn is scum until just now, and the only reasoning was because maybe scum rayn was trying to save scum hzflank? This is after Onegu start throwing out quotes to show that hzflank is scum... why wouldn't he just vote for hz? The answer... as much as you hate to admit it, imo is because rayn is town and onegu thinks that's an easier mislynch. | ||
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On November 07 2013 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote: It's like Onegu just wants to be lynched. Are there jesters in this game lol? The issue becomes the 'too scummy to be scum' thing. I can't honestly tell where to sit on this. My gut tells me a scum Onegu just wouldn't play this badly. Do you remember that quote rayn provided? On November 07 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like this is what Onegu did in Desert final day: And we did not lynch him for it. :p Anyways good night. | ||
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On November 07 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Yup, and I was waiting for you to point that out because it doesn't mean shit here---Onegu didn't fuck up, backtrack, try to cover anything up. He's just playing balls-to-the-wall shit. And Onegu himself brings up a good point. Rayn DOES call him tricky. This doesn't look tricky in the slightest. yeah, I think what he's doing is backtracking, but if you believe him then he's not backtracking. he claimed to have been developing suspicions about rayn earlier, he just didn't point them out. we have to accept that on faith because there is nothing in his filter to prove to us on way or the other if he ever thought rayn was mafia so the two choices are: 1) believe that he did think rayn was scum before now, except he didn't say anything about it and chose to talk about other stuff instead 2) he's scum and playing terribly | ||
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On November 07 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote: This doesn't look tricky in the slightest. It's tricky if you let him get away with it  | ||
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On November 07 2013 14:07 WaveofShadow wrote: lol thrawn do you see this? Do you REALLY think this is scum play? yeah that was my thought too... hmm | ||
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On November 07 2013 15:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you remember why we thought Onegu was town in Desert? That's the stuff i mean with tricky. I remember that but not sure on why. I do remember at one point he was explaining that this is just how he plays, like he did earlier in this game I think? It convinced me in that game I remember. But tell me what you're talking about and do you think WoS might be right? | ||
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On November 07 2013 15:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: The Sylencia stuff. Do you remember it? What do you mean with "WoS might be right"? Nope. If you're talking about something that happened after I died then I wouldn't know. I'm asking if you think onegu might be town because this doesn't look like scumplay: On November 07 2013 14:05 Onegu wrote: Wait where did I say I thought rayn was scum earlier? The first time was when I saw his BS reason for makeing me look bad, hell I voted dor him to be blue before this. | ||
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