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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 08 2013 06:13 GMT
#1061
Also in the above post it looks like you know I am town and am fustrated I am tunneling you with little evidence. Since the wording I have decided you are scum, comes from someone who you would think is town.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 08 2013 06:19 GMT
#1062
Again I have mostly agrred with sylencias train of thought especially day one, he hasnt been that active but I still put him in my town catagory as of now. This coupled with the OO interactions led me to believe he is town.


Sn0 is my current guess on the third scum, over Hopeless at the moment. ET posting looks completely different from hogwarts and you can follow a logical progression from him. The thing that makes ET/hopeless so bad imo is because that is who OO was planning on pushing before he died.

But in OO list of scum sn0 and hzflank were in it.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 06:27 GMT
#1063
Onegu when I write something like this you need to give more than

On November 08 2013 15:19 Onegu wrote:
Again I have mostly agrred with sylencias train of thought especially day one, he hasnt been that active but I still put him in my town catagory as of now. This coupled with the OO interactions led me to believe he is town.

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 08 2013 06:29 GMT
#1064
Ok ok...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 08 2013 06:41 GMT
#1065
On November 06 2013 23:13 Sylencia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 03:41 Cephiro wrote:
Aiight. I skimmed through the new posts, but going to read them with a proper thought now. One idea that I thought of is what I wanted to share though.


10 / 3
9 / 3
8 / 2
7 / 2
6 / 1
5 / 1
4 / 0
3 / 0
2 / 0

Amount of Town / Amount of Blues elected.

Basically, I'm thinking we should no-lynch today. That way we are able to have a 3-blue election again tomorrow, providing none of today's get sniped. It also leaves us one more town player for scum to target during the night, making them a little less likely to hit blues. This will basically give us a +1 blue per cycle until snipe or mislynch. At the moment I'm considering it as a fairly good option, but for today only. (We're certainly not no-lynching multiple times as it's our only way of killing scum.) With everyone seemingly all over the place, swinging from target to target, as much as I'd like to believe I can't see us lynching scum today. No-lynch is better than mislynch.

1) We get +1 blue nominated per cycle until snipe or mislynch
2) Scum has 1 more target to choose who to kill and/or try to snipe, making it a little more hard for them to decide.
3) We will have more information to get a proper, scum lynch on D2 to start it off with.

These benefits are made under the assumption that we are mislynching today, which unfortunately looks extremely likely to happen in my eyes. Give these points a thought.


At this stage, town isn't in the best shape. I honestly don't think that a no-lynch is really an option because we needed information. Getting an extra witchcraft vote is absolutely useless if we can't take full advantage of them, since the chance of striking gold with a DT check is fairly low, and even then you can't actually reveal that easily for there'll be a blue vig waiting to revenge kill you if you do reveal.

His reasoning of town swinging around and having no-lynch being better than lynching someone is both a way to try stifle discussion by making everyone take the lazy route, and him also trying to take the lazy way out of not having to commit to voting seriously.

One has to note that since this is majority lynch, mislynching is almost always going to leave some scum exposed when flipped, so it's a fair play to try stop that from happening since they stop information from coming out and they get a free NK.

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On November 06 2013 06:45 hzflank wrote:
On November 06 2013 06:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 06 2013 06:40 hzflank wrote:
On November 06 2013 06:38 Umasi wrote:
On November 06 2013 06:32 hzflank wrote:
On November 06 2013 06:26 Umasi wrote:
idk, the last post by hzflank does not look scummy though, he asserts that he doesn't want to vote ET, and he backs off on me..
kinda like, a lack of self preservation


Oh don't worry, people's votes on me make no sense, therefore I am relying on them not sticking.

For example, WoS tends to think that people are town when they are reading the game in a similar fashion to him, right? Remember when I pushed you and WoS said "I was going to do that" or when I read Syl and WoS said they he read it the same way I did? WoS does not think I am scum, WoS wants me to be scum because I offended him and/or he saw my ego in full effect when he coached me. His vote can still change.

As for Thrawn and ET, well they are defaulting to me because they have no one better to vote for and they did not like my case on Sn0. The thing is, if you read me carefully you will noticed that my case on Sn0 was never meant to be pushed. In that portion of the game I actually thought that Umasi and ET were scum. The case on Sn0 was an attempt to engage him which failed. The case was also an attempt to make people view him in a more negative light so that I could see what people said about him when he appeared to be a somewhat easy lynch.

People don't really think that I am scum yet still want to lynch me D1. Reminds me of the White flag game that just ended


But there isn't someone else that'll gain enough traction in time, that's my issue. It's not that I think you're scum, you just aren't town enough to warrant a no-lynch.


But on the other hand I guarantee you that there are some people who are present but lurking, since it is deadline time and majority lynch. So there are some people who are present but will just casually go through with my lynch. They'll probably move their votes soon, too.


right now your best chance of living is to explain why you want sylencia to die


I already explained it. Sylencia posted a several paragraph's about Cephiro's take on WoS. The entire point of what Syl posted can only possibly of existed if Syl thought that Ceph was scum, because Syl thought that it was an intentional tunnel upon entry to the game (only scum do that). Therefore, in Syl's mind Ceph must of been scum. Syl never played as if he thought that Ceph was scum, therefore what Syl wrote about Ceph was fake.


No, I wasn't certain what I had said was exactly right and so I posted it out there to get someone's (ideally Ceph's) thoughts on it. During that time I looked at other people since that's more productive than hoping for an answer. I get how it looks shady though.

About the lynch, is it not possible that we can agree on targets > 15 minutes before deadline? The last minute votes and switching makes it kind of difficult to interpret many of the players' intentions since so many are "here is my vote so we don't no-lynch" which is atrocious honestly.

Then comes the hammer vote:

Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 06:59 Cephiro wrote:
##unvote
##vote: gumshoe


I swear this is gonna end up badly.


What happened to his reasoning above? No where does he ever say "actually, bad plan guys, let's lynch." He just hammers, even though he can see the town death coming.

From my perspective, he was in a pretty rocky situation anyways:
- Doesn't vote: He'd cop a bunch of backlash from the players who were active at the time, and it'd make him look suspicious for not hammering.
- Does vote: Still looks shady because he's mentioned the above and completely backtracks and hammers.
That said, if he truly believed what he wrote above he would've stuck with it but I'm guessing he forgot he even mentioned the plan and just went with the flow.

Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 07:06 Cephiro wrote:
.... Yeah. Call me stupid for not stubbornly going against the majority.

Well, at least I showed fellow town I'm ready to co-operate even if I don't completely agree on something. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing to be honest.

Also I'm gonna go sleep right now to get my rhythm fixed, I'm tired. I'll respond all the "lolcephhammer" -accusations that will surely come in the morning.


1st sentence: The point is you still did.
2nd sentence: LOL. Honestly I would've wanted to shoot him on the spot for that if I was a vig Following town like that 'despite what you think' is more of a scum play than a town play in most cases. You co-operate because it's convenient for you to kill off a townie.

Not to mention if you look at Ceph's filter and search for mentions of gumshoe, it sounds like he has a more townish feel for gumshoe, and yet he kills him off. That's ridiculous. Of course, we don't know what his read was because he specifically said that he wouldn't reveal anything unless we asked but it's a bit late for that now.

Basically I don't see a townie writing this.

My predictions for scum group are: {Ceph, ET, Sn0, hzflank} - pick 3.

I haven't covered the last 2 that much, but PoE and whatnot. I'm more worried about hzflank just because almost every game if you avoid the D1 lynch you'll get a free ride for a few days, which could explain last minute train on gumshoe.

Skimming sn0 shows he was one of the lazy voters for the lynch, and hasn't really pushed for anyone except OO, but never votes him or makes a solid case against him. At this point I'd say he's more likely to flip scum than hz, but I need to properly read his filter at some point.



See I dont get why people are jumping all over him for his ceph vote he has clearly put ceph as scum almost the entire game (I disagree with him its a bit odd ceph talks about a no lynch, and is then the hammer, but being the hammer is less scummy then jumping on in the middle imo.)

There really isnt much to go off of with him, and after playing scum with him, he seemed alot more active but that is a null tell as I have only played that one game with him.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 08 2013 07:00 GMT
#1066
How does ET's posting look different from Hogwarts?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 08 2013 07:14 GMT
#1067
Just look at ETs case on me and then his unvote he contridicts himself over and over he looks fairly straight forward this game.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 08 2013 07:18 GMT
#1068
ET overreacted to pressure that game, nothing like when people were talking about his lynch this game.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 09:06 GMT
#1069
guys what's going to happen in 12 hours? 2 replacements are still catching up, there's ceph who hasn't posted since night phase, sn0 has done nothing productive in D2 after I gave him a town read, i'm expecting an appearance from sylencia then he'll likely be gone the rest of the day..

that's 5 people and all of them can't be mafia which means if we're going to get a majority of votes on scum then those people need to step to it

if you are one of those and you are town then you are holding town back in a big way so lets go
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
November 08 2013 09:08 GMT
#1070
Let'sss GGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo
I had a good night of sleep.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 09:11 GMT
#1071
how much of the game have you read
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
November 08 2013 09:26 GMT
#1072
I skimmed over everything but haven't read anything. At least that's how it feels.
I had a good night of sleep.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 09:35 GMT
#1073
so........
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
November 08 2013 09:38 GMT
#1074
My tactic will be to not get lynched today.
I had a good night of sleep.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 09:40 GMT
#1075
does that tactic include voting
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
November 08 2013 09:46 GMT
#1076
Gimme time. I am on a tight schedule anyway. Got like 10 hours before I am gone. Deadline is in 11
I had a good night of sleep.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 08 2013 10:12 GMT
#1077
On November 08 2013 18:26 Koshi wrote:
I skimmed over everything but haven't read anything. At least that's how it feels.



First impressions?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 08 2013 10:13 GMT
#1078
I am basically waiting for Koshi/hopeless to catch up and other people to post.

Atm the game looks like rayn & thrawn talking and other people lurking. If this does not change we might aswell do the infamous Blazinghand randomizer (current hits-on-scum-rate 0/3 vanillatown,cop,candies) and pray we hit scum.

WoS made a good post and went off again. Onegu hasn't done anything to make me take my vote off him. Umasi made some good posts. So did Vanesco. Sylencia made more meh posts. hopeless is hopeless and mia. Same with Cephiro. Koshi is catching up.

bleh..
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 08 2013 10:19 GMT
#1079
On November 08 2013 19:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am basically waiting for Koshi/hopeless to catch up and other people to post.

Atm the game looks like rayn & thrawn talking and other people lurking. If this does not change we might aswell do the infamous Blazinghand randomizer (current hits-on-scum-rate 0/3 vanillatown,cop,candies) and pray we hit scum.

WoS made a good post and went off again. Onegu hasn't done anything to make me take my vote off him. Umasi made some good posts. So did Vanesco. Sylencia made more meh posts. hopeless is hopeless and mia. Same with Cephiro. Koshi is catching up.

bleh..



Its thrawn, you, and me basicly going around in circles with each other, and I am tunneled on my scum team atm (rayn,koshi,sn0). And no one else has much to add.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 08 2013 10:21 GMT
#1080
Well un-tunnel your scumteam, at least the one you are talking about, because it's bad and talk about somehing that's scum.
Your reasoning is really weak for any of those people atm.
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