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and thats my queue to delurk. Since thrawn posted his case on ET its gained very little traction, and no on has been willing to call me out for being afk for more than 24 hours. For the record I'm only up to page 25/45 (the game before I replaced ET) but I also read cephiro's great-wall-of-WoS-is-scum post, so thats my excuse.
Regarding Koshi's recent posts...does that almost confirm him as town since scum dont get witchcraft votes?
So far, I have townreads on enough of the playerbase that lynching into my unknowns (assuming my townreads are right) would win the game by sheer numbers. The top of my would-lynch list is sylencia. This is partly OMGUS for him voting ET=me and partly what he's done today that thrawn already pointed out
+ Show Spoiler +On November 08 2013 14:28 thrawn2112 wrote:I am still wanting to lynch Onegu but I want to talk about syl because I'd like him to be a possible lynch candidate as well. Sylencia votes for ET on day 1. He is the only person with his vote still on ET at the end of the day during d2 sylencia says this Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 20:41 Sylencia wrote:
##Vote Cephiro
Hopeless is someone I'd be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him. It's pretty vital that that is kept in mind during the course of the day.
Go back and read the part I bolded. Read what sylencia says he's going to do about hopeless during D2. He comes in voting for ceph saying that all the other candidates are likely to be lynched and therefore not worth talking about. I question him about this and his response is.... Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 10:37 Sylencia wrote:On November 08 2013 00:05 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 07 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you have anything to say about Onegu? look at syl's reply On November 07 2013 20:41 Sylencia wrote:
##Vote Cephiro
Hopeless is someone I'd be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him. It's pretty vital that that is kept in mind during the course of the day.
Easy enough, nothing's changed since my post about him. OO's reads were pretty close to what I had as a list when he was alive too.
In terms of what's happened during Day 2, stop trying to get at each others throats and go for the more probable targets. Rayn train is dumb imo, he's still townier than a lot of others. -could lynch hopeless -people aren;t going up for the probable targets during d2 the serious targets mentioned so far have been rayn onegu and et but they aren't "probable" and the only one he bothers mentioning is rayn? sylencia why are you dismissing the onegu and hopeless lynches even though you yourself said you could lynch hopeless? There have been what, 2 or 3 posts about Hopeless, the rest have been a massive 'rayn/onegu is scum' talk. How does that show that Hopeless is a probable target? It doesn't really, since no one is talking about him. In any case, my vote isn't weird at all considering there has been no defense from Ceph and we're already in the second half of day 2. I dunno why this town is so dead. oh so now it's time to ignore everything being said about ET? When earlier he said hopeless is somebody he'd "be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him" why why why does nobody see this as scummy? syl's main candidate from d1 is someone who syl says he's going to "keep in mind during the course of the day" but he later refuses to acknowledge hopeless as a serious candidate.
Others on my would-lynch list are umasi onegu and sn0-man, in no particular order, with no particular reasons than that I haven't found compelling reasons to call them town so far (Again, only up to page 25/45 at the time of this post)
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On November 08 2013 23:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 23:05 Sylencia wrote:On November 08 2013 11:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
"nobody is talking about him" is not a valid excuse for not talking about them yourself. if everyone were to use that excuse then nobody would ever say anything
especially when you voted for him last cycle and there are clearly other people in the game who want that slot dead
my vote is going for onegu/hopeless/sylencia this cycle. they can work out which of them gets it I talked about him last cycle, I have a better read this cycle. I'd much rather pursue that, but no one seems to listen. Ceph dies, he flips scum, we're all happy. Easy. Thrawn, you don't sound like you have a town read on him (null?). Read his filter again. See it from scum perspective. Does it make sense? It probably should , and you should probably vote him. Alternatives: Not Onegu, and not rayn. Onegu I have my reasons, rayn I've seen him as town for the majority of the game. Hopeless is an option, since he followed ET, and so is Sn0, WaveOfShadow has posted a good case on him, and I'd back that case. Problems: I'm only around for the next 2 hours (maybe less, it's 1AM here). I need a reason to believe that Ceph is less likely to be scum compared to any of the alternatives. I don't really see it, but at the same time with the town being so AFK, I need to be on the most likely target else we get no lynch. Anyone here to discuss? Scum strategy to post like absolute fucking crazy and put in a lot of effort D1 only to skate by on it the rest of the game? Seems unlikely to me as I've never seen it before. not impossible, but enough to let him slide for that, UNLESS we plan on lynching him simply for lurking, which I am not necessarily opposed to. I'm all about policy today because on the whole there are too many people playing like shit today who shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.
I don't think they're doing it because they are relying on D1, it's that they're relying on the fact D2 is so quiet, there's no reason for them to necessarily speak up. If I was scum here, 1 post every day and I'm done. You'd live through D2, get a bit of flak when activity picks up but there's pretty much no downside with the state of this town.
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On November 08 2013 23:14 Hopeless1der wrote:and thats my queue to delurk. Since thrawn posted his case on ET its gained very little traction, and no on has been willing to call me out for being afk for more than 24 hours. For the record I'm only up to page 25/45 (the game before I replaced ET) but I also read cephiro's great-wall-of-WoS-is-scum post, so thats my excuse. Regarding Koshi's recent posts...does that almost confirm him as town since scum dont get witchcraft votes?
So far, I have townreads on enough of the playerbase that lynching into my unknowns (assuming my townreads are right) would win the game by sheer numbers. The top of my would-lynch list is sylencia. This is partly OMGUS for him voting ET=me and partly what he's done today that thrawn already pointed out + Show Spoiler +On November 08 2013 14:28 thrawn2112 wrote:I am still wanting to lynch Onegu but I want to talk about syl because I'd like him to be a possible lynch candidate as well. Sylencia votes for ET on day 1. He is the only person with his vote still on ET at the end of the day during d2 sylencia says this Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 20:41 Sylencia wrote:
##Vote Cephiro
Hopeless is someone I'd be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him. It's pretty vital that that is kept in mind during the course of the day.
Go back and read the part I bolded. Read what sylencia says he's going to do about hopeless during D2. He comes in voting for ceph saying that all the other candidates are likely to be lynched and therefore not worth talking about. I question him about this and his response is.... Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 10:37 Sylencia wrote:On November 08 2013 00:05 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 07 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you have anything to say about Onegu? look at syl's reply On November 07 2013 20:41 Sylencia wrote:
##Vote Cephiro
Hopeless is someone I'd be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him. It's pretty vital that that is kept in mind during the course of the day.
Easy enough, nothing's changed since my post about him. OO's reads were pretty close to what I had as a list when he was alive too.
In terms of what's happened during Day 2, stop trying to get at each others throats and go for the more probable targets. Rayn train is dumb imo, he's still townier than a lot of others. -could lynch hopeless -people aren;t going up for the probable targets during d2 the serious targets mentioned so far have been rayn onegu and et but they aren't "probable" and the only one he bothers mentioning is rayn? sylencia why are you dismissing the onegu and hopeless lynches even though you yourself said you could lynch hopeless? There have been what, 2 or 3 posts about Hopeless, the rest have been a massive 'rayn/onegu is scum' talk. How does that show that Hopeless is a probable target? It doesn't really, since no one is talking about him. In any case, my vote isn't weird at all considering there has been no defense from Ceph and we're already in the second half of day 2. I dunno why this town is so dead. oh so now it's time to ignore everything being said about ET? When earlier he said hopeless is somebody he'd "be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him" why why why does nobody see this as scummy? syl's main candidate from d1 is someone who syl says he's going to "keep in mind during the course of the day" but he later refuses to acknowledge hopeless as a serious candidate. Others on my would-lynch list are umasi onegu and sn0-man, in no particular order, with no particular reasons than that I haven't found compelling reasons to call them town so far (Again, only up to page 25/45 at the time of this post)
Hurry up and finish reading. I was about to provide conclusions on my read of OO's filter and you may or may not be a part of that, and I don't feel like giving you free answers.
Hurry the hell up.
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i just got to rayn tearing up ET's case on thrawn. If I didn't know I was town...*cringe*
Working on it WoS, how long would you say I have before you have to post what you've got?
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On November 08 2013 23:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
i just got to rayn tearing up ET's case on thrawn. If I didn't know I was town...*cringe*
Working on it WoS, how long would you say I have before you have to post what you've got?
I mean, you have as long as you want obviously, but this town is nowhere near ready to lynch anyone and we've got a limited amount of time left in the day. If you want a timeframe, within the hour would be nice.
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On November 08 2013 23:08 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 14:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:WoS i liked your post on Sn0, it's nearly the exact thoughts i had when i read those posts. He hasn't been saying much, there are people being discussed (me/Onegu/Syl/Hopeless/etc..) and he comes in with "hmm doods, why was OO hit?" and says pretty much nothing at all. Onegu me doing nothing is bullshit. I have done the most today maybe barring thrawn, last night there was nothing to talk about because noone was here. At that point i had said everything there was to say for me. Why are you trying to continuously make me look bad for something that's not there? Feels like you have just decided i am scum and the go find reasons why could i be scum. Vote stands. Sylencia looks worse. I liked his D1 but not his D2 the slightest. I can't possibly understand he has played scum with Onegu just a while ago and that's all he has to say about him. Still waiting for hopeless to catch up. If he doesn't i will seriously consider him for a lynch. Same with Cephiro. I liked this from Umasi: I think it's actually patently absurd that someone can be so anti-WoS. Just as an aside. Koshiiiiiii <3<3<3<3 Also Koshi, i hope you catch up today, hzflank wasn't looking too dandy and you didn't really help your slot with your posts yet. It's not really like you to brag about your activity---that's more my style. Rayn I know my reason for not wanting to vote Sn0 at this point, what's yours? Also your reasoning for voting Onegu...is that any different than a policy lynch (ie my reasoning)? Essentially you complain to us that Onegu is tricky and plays like shit as scum or martyrs or whatever---essentially it amounts to you being unable to read him, yet here you're attempting to apply basic reasoning to why Onegu is playing how he is. I mean, I agree with your reasons but applied to any normal person I would say no rational player would play like he has.
I am not bragging about my activity. I am disgusted by the activity of nearly everyone in this game.
I don't really have reasons to not vote for Sno..
I am not voting Onegu as a policy. I am voting for him because he is making up reasons for me being scum - not trying to find them, he is voting for a guy who could by his own words only be scum if hz/Koshi is scum, he is outing witchcraft votes for no reason and his reads on other people are weak and shit. I have not had a trouble of reading him before, i have been using the "too dumb to be scum" argument for not lynching him before. I have had a scumread on him every single game he has been scum in.
Koshi is basically confirmed town and Hopeless is probably too rofl.
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On November 08 2013 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 23:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 08 2013 14:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:WoS i liked your post on Sn0, it's nearly the exact thoughts i had when i read those posts. He hasn't been saying much, there are people being discussed (me/Onegu/Syl/Hopeless/etc..) and he comes in with "hmm doods, why was OO hit?" and says pretty much nothing at all. Onegu me doing nothing is bullshit. I have done the most today maybe barring thrawn, last night there was nothing to talk about because noone was here. At that point i had said everything there was to say for me. Why are you trying to continuously make me look bad for something that's not there? Feels like you have just decided i am scum and the go find reasons why could i be scum. Vote stands. Sylencia looks worse. I liked his D1 but not his D2 the slightest. I can't possibly understand he has played scum with Onegu just a while ago and that's all he has to say about him. Still waiting for hopeless to catch up. If he doesn't i will seriously consider him for a lynch. Same with Cephiro. I liked this from Umasi: I think it's actually patently absurd that someone can be so anti-WoS. Just as an aside. Koshiiiiiii <3<3<3<3 Also Koshi, i hope you catch up today, hzflank wasn't looking too dandy and you didn't really help your slot with your posts yet. It's not really like you to brag about your activity---that's more my style. Rayn I know my reason for not wanting to vote Sn0 at this point, what's yours? Also your reasoning for voting Onegu...is that any different than a policy lynch (ie my reasoning)? Essentially you complain to us that Onegu is tricky and plays like shit as scum or martyrs or whatever---essentially it amounts to you being unable to read him, yet here you're attempting to apply basic reasoning to why Onegu is playing how he is. I mean, I agree with your reasons but applied to any normal person I would say no rational player would play like he has. I am not bragging about my activity. I am disgusted by the activity of nearly everyone in this game. I don't really have reasons to not vote for Sno.. I am not voting Onegu as a policy. I am voting for him because he is making up reasons for me being scum - not trying to find them, he is voting for a guy who could by his own words only be scum if hz/Koshi is scum, he is outing witchcraft votes for no reason and his reads on other people are weak and shit. I have not had a trouble of reading him before, i have been using the "too dumb to be scum" argument for not lynching him before. I have had a scumread on him every single game he has been scum in. Koshi is basically confirmed town and Hopeless is probably too rofl.
Fine, it's not like you to complain about activity then. Especially coming from a guy who stated he specifically wanted to start playing like shit/get mislynched more.
And your 'confirmed town' list? Laughable. I have no fucking clue what possible reasoning you could have to be giving those kind of reads. I am also not a fan of you specifically attempting to undermine my attempt at not providing anything for hopeless to go on in terms of people's reads of him before his post.
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So you think Blazinghand gave scum!Koshi a list of people hzflank voted in bitchcraft election D1?
Okay.
Hopeless noticed that too, therefore he has been given a list too most likely.
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I don't know, are you somehow angry at me for not playing bad? I am confused WoS...
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On November 09 2013 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you think Blazinghand gave scum!Koshi a list of people hzflank voted in bitchcraft election D1?
Okay.
Hopeless noticed that too, therefore he has been given a list too most likely.
Or, you know, he fucking LIED and MADE UP some fucking names. People do that in mafia, you know.
Are you that dense?
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I don't know, maybe read his posts? Do you think he has like... any clue what's going on in this game and how the game works?
More likely he is just "wtf is going on, okay i just out all info i do know to not get lynched today".
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I don't have enough time to do anything else D:
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Also, you peepz lurk so hard on d2. Crazy.
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On November 09 2013 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know, maybe read his posts? Do you think he has like... any clue what's going on in this game and how the game works?
More likely he is just "wtf is going on, okay i just out all info i do know to not get lynched today".
Koshi is pretty damn active, has been in this game for a little while already and if he is scum he has a scumteam to help him out.
I'm sorry but his posting is completely alignment non-indicative thus far.
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On November 08 2013 13:09 WaveofShadow wrote:In other news: Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 00:35 Sn0_Man wrote:
If a voted-blue dies to the blue-vig ability, do they flip green or blue? This raised the hackles on the back of my neck. The best part about this is I could 100% see scum asking this question. No it's not entirely alignment indicative, but it makes MORE sense to me for scum to purposefully write it in the thread to use a mod-question to game people into thinking they are town for whatever reason, ESPECIALLY if he KNEW his question was not going to be answered in thread. A lot of that is conjecture but it's simply how I feel. Make of it what you will.
Welcome to "WoS makes up shit", part 1. A) it was answered in thread B) Hows it make more sense for scum to ask a question that they know the answer to than for town to ask a question when they, you know, have a question?
WoS knows he's full of shit so he's already backing off this post before he finishes writing it, but he feels the need to post it anyway.
On November 08 2013 13:09 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 03:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
Errybody's afk or something.
It is possible that OO died from silver bullet and that the actual NK was either roleblocked (as it is personally delivered not factional) or Doctored. Either way, I'm interested to know if people voted for OO to be witchcrafted (Since he is dead there is no drawback to people admitting they voted him).
I, personally, did not vote him (for obvious reasons) but I'm aware he had townreads from some/many.
Part of the reason I bring this up is that I would have expected scum to spend AT LEAST 1 silver bullet last night. The rewards for killing the blues BEFORE their actions occur seem too high to pass up considering the limited amount of people I'd expect to get votes. If OO was indeed killed by silver bullet, some blue role would like VERY much to know that as they know their save hit town for example (Or their RB hit scum). This reads like scum fishing for witchcraft vote analysis, when I'm pretty sure nobody wanted to claim votes this early. (or at all?) Why in all that is holy would town Sn0's first assumption be that he was hit by a witchcraft bullet and that scum have spent it this early in the game? Not only did OO look increasingly less towny as the game progressed (in my opinion) but to also assume that most of the rest of town would have assumed he WAS towny enough to receive some high number of votes AND that scum would have assumed he would be a good shot for that reason is absolutely ridiculous.
WoS makes up shit, part 2.
1) It is absolutely not witchraft vote analysis. OO is dead and as such knowing if he was blue or not can't hurt town (the old blues have no powers by now anyway). I merely am trying to ascertain which bullet killed WoS.
It was absolutely not my "first assumption" you are just trying to paint me scummy. I am trying to SOLVE THE GAME (a worthwhile pursuit last I heard) and one of the open questionmarks is how and why OO died. I made absolutely NO assumptions regarding OO's vote total, how scum percieved him, etc. Basically you are completely and utterly misrepresenting me. I merely was considering getting more info so that I could make EDUCATED guesses regarding how he died. All your points that suggest he may not have been a silver bullet shot ALSO suggest he wasn't a normal KP so what gives? Thats what I want to know. I think its more likely he was a Silver Bullet than a KP for the reasons given.
On November 08 2013 13:09 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 03:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
I like the points against onegu, Syl's vote was WTF, my current biggest concern is that you are still alive. While I agree with (almost) all the things you say you being alive is giving me misgivings because I would have expected you to die.
Which is why I'm trying to figure out what happened last night since if OO was a blue shot then I can believe that you were targetted but saved for example. That would give me more confidence in your reads. Vets who push a mislynch D1 then go "WHOAH COMPLETE 180 ON MY READS GUYS" and are still alive D2 smell funny to me. I agree with your points but hnnnnng smells funny. So I'm looking for certainty there.
There are 2 1-shot witch hunters read the OP lol. thrawn pointed this out already, but to be pointing out suspicions that someone is still alive after D1?! Shit spreading. Classic mafia tactic.
Apologies for being transparent and sharing my thoughts and concerns. My post explicitly states that "I'm looking for certainty" not "zomg thrawn scum lynch!11!11One".
On November 08 2013 13:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
I hereby regret saving Sn0 yesterday and it appears we are now back where we started; the D2 lynch will probably amount to either Onegu or Sn0 in my eyes.
Grats.
@Thread: apologies this is kinda long. Blame WoS.
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Ok Im here for now.
##UNVOTE
##VOTE KOSHI
My main reason for voteing rayn over hz was rayn was the more dangerous player, and I do think rayn is more dangerous than koshi, the gap isnt as big. Im open to voteing sn0 also but I wont be here for deadline. Im going to go over a few filters before I sleep. Also rayn Im not makeing up scum reads on you, Im telling it like I see it, you may not agree but Im not makeing falsehoods.
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PS: If you think about how this game works it makes the most sense for scum to fire off AT LEAST 1 silver bullet the first night when there are 3 blue roles. Not only does this get you ahead early and hopefully give you thread control, but it also has pretty damn good chances of hitting a blue compared to when there is only 2 or 1 (and 1 comes pretty soon). Plus the more KP scum gets out early the less blues there are in the following days due to how the witchraft voting works.
It is also optimal for scum to shoot during the night since their shots resolve at phase-end (aka same day/night as the shot) which means any investigative role will not be able to reveal results. So I EXPECTED multiple deaths N1.
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On November 08 2013 15:13 Onegu wrote:
Also in the above post it looks like you know I am town and am fustrated I am tunneling you with little evidence. Since the wording I have decided you are scum, comes from someone who you would think is town.
Also rayn this is now one of the bigger reasons I think you are scum.
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Yeah, no Sn0.
He was 100% scum KP and I even stated so in my first post (I believe) right after deadline. Pussy scumteam too afraid to shoot into stronger townies for fear of bluerole protection. Pretty obvious.
And I never suggested he wasn't normal KP at all. I just don't think he was a particularly good NK for scum.
Sorry, not convinced. Who is scum Sn0 and why again?
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On November 09 2013 00:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
PS: If you think about how this game works it makes the most sense for scum to fire off AT LEAST 1 silver bullet the first night when there are 3 blue roles. Not only does this get you ahead early and hopefully give you thread control, but it also has pretty damn good chances of hitting a blue compared to when there is only 2 or 1 (and 1 comes pretty soon). Plus the more KP scum gets out early the less blues there are in the following days due to how the witchraft voting works.
It is also optimal for scum to shoot during the night since their shots resolve at phase-end (aka same day/night as the shot) which means any investigative role will not be able to reveal results. So I EXPECTED multiple deaths N1.
No it doesnt. Missing a shot would be devestateing at this point for scum. There is no way they made a shot last night. They want to make sure thier shot hits, not shoot a random shot off n1.
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