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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 22:07 GMT
#721
Why do you feel the need to call him town? All I asked was that he contribute
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 05 2013 22:10 GMT
#722
On November 06 2013 07:06 Cephiro wrote:
.... Yeah. Call me stupid for not stubbornly going against the majority.

Well, at least I showed fellow town I'm ready to co-operate even if I don't completely agree on something. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing to be honest.

Also I'm gonna go sleep right now to get my rhythm fixed, I'm tired. I'll respond all the "lolcephhammer" -accusations that will surely come in the morning.


Yeah, you wanted no-lynch, I don't think thats preferable to mislynching. The possibilty of an extra blue isn't worth 1 town KP imo. You tried to derail the thread at a critical time by suggesting we no lynch, which is exactly the worst thing that could have happened, then you disappear until it's time to consolidate and you play it off as "oh, if you guys WANT me to, I GUESS I'll vote gumshoe if I HAVE to." As soon as I saw that you were voting for gumshoe I immediately thought he wasn't that likely to flip scum.

Did you really want a no-lynch? Why didn't you let it happen?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 22:20 GMT
#723
On November 06 2013 07:06 Cephiro wrote:
.... Yeah. Call me stupid for not stubbornly going against the majority.

Well, at least I showed fellow town I'm ready to co-operate even if I don't completely agree on something. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing to be honest.

Also I'm gonna go sleep right now to get my rhythm fixed, I'm tired. I'll respond all the "lolcephhammer" -accusations that will surely come in the morning.

There is nothing wrong with you hammering and i don't know why you feel the need to be so defencive about it..
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 05 2013 22:35 GMT
#724
Now that I think back on the timing of everything I'm not sure that a scum ceph would have come back to push the mislynch through. Whatever his alignment is we know that he originally wanted a no-lynch, and to me it doesn't seem likely that a scum player wanting no lynch will come in at the last moment to hammer some random player.

I'm gonna be spending some time looking at Syl because I'm intrigued by what hzflank said about how while syl was devoting lots of time to calling out ceph, "Syl never played as if he thought that Ceph was scum, therefore what Syl wrote about Ceph was fake."
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 22:51 GMT
#725
So hzflank says that about Sylencia ~20 hours ago. You do not say anything about it, you vote for hzflank, and when we lynch someone else suddenly NOW it's important when you have paid no attention to either that comment of hz's or Sylencia earlier in this game?

Why now?
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 05 2013 22:57 GMT
#726
cuz i'm bad?

Why are you focused on the fact that I'm bringing it up now instead of what it means about syl? You could at least comment on it rather than completely disregarding the point by trying to discredit me.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 23:03 GMT
#727
I think Cephiro and Sylencia talked about it no? At least that's what i read in thread.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 23:06 GMT
#728
I get what you are trying to say thrawn but the problem is the last 20 hours of D1 were so inactive it's nearly impossible to say anything about it. Cephiro and Sylencia hada discussion about it. Then they didn't post much after that. What o got was Sylencia wasn't sure about his scumread on Cephiro after the talk, read other people and made a case on ET. Cephiro never got back here before the last moments of D1 and Sylencia was not here. That's what i think.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 05 2013 23:06 GMT
#729
Hm? You didn't answer my question. What was the motivation behing your original post? And I still want to hear your opinion on what I brought up, idc that Ceph and sylencia already talked about it because none of them are named raynpelikoneet.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 05 2013 23:10 GMT
#730
Lol goddammit rayn I'm trying to be straight with you and you're making it difficult. This is as simply as I can put it... what is YOUR opinion on Syl's posts about Cephiro? Is syl scummy for them? Null? Town? What does rayn think?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 23:10 GMT
#731
On November 06 2013 08:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hm? You didn't answer my question. What was the motivation behing your original post? And I still want to hear your opinion on what I brought up, idc that Ceph and sylencia already talked about it because none of them are named raynpelikoneet.

I am focused on the fact that you bring it up now for two reasons (which i think i told already - i think that's what you are asking - if not, please clarify):
(1) When the issue could have been important you did not bring it up. Instead you voted for the guy who did infact bring it up in the first place. That's odd imo.
(2) I do not think what hz brought up means anything, because i felt like syl - ceph cleared the issue up to some extent in thread, and havn't talked since. It's a null tell for Sylencia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 23:11 GMT
#732
null. i said it in the first place. :p
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 23:11 GMT
#733
okay i agree i wasn't very clear about the final conclusion..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 23:12 GMT
#734
and why the fuck did everyone suddenly flee from the crime scene?
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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 05 2013 23:17 GMT
#735
On November 06 2013 07:06 Cephiro wrote:
.... Yeah. Call me stupid for not stubbornly going against the majority.

Well, at least I showed fellow town I'm ready to co-operate even if I don't completely agree on something. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing to be honest.

Also I'm gonna go sleep right now to get my rhythm fixed, I'm tired. I'll respond all the "lolcephhammer" -accusations that will surely come in the morning.

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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 05 2013 23:19 GMT
#736
On November 06 2013 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 08:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hm? You didn't answer my question. What was the motivation behing your original post? And I still want to hear your opinion on what I brought up, idc that Ceph and sylencia already talked about it because none of them are named raynpelikoneet.

I am focused on the fact that you bring it up now for two reasons (which i think i told already - i think that's what you are asking - if not, please clarify):
(1) When the issue could have been important you did not bring it up. Instead you voted for the guy who did infact bring it up in the first place. That's odd imo.
(2) I do not think what hz brought up means anything, because i felt like syl - ceph cleared the issue up to some extent in thread, and havn't talked since. It's a null tell for Sylencia.


1) I did not say so at the time but part of what initially made me hesitant about hzflank WAS what he said about Sylencia. Had he not said anything and not given a coherent argument I might have still lynched him. Also, expecting me to have already examined a 20 hr old post is weird. Do you expect me to follow up and do research into every single post and make an issue over everything that happens? No, I don't think that's rational which is sorta making me suspect that you're trying to deflect what I'm bringing up by discrediting how I brought it up.

2) I don't remember what you're referring to but I don't know how much it even matters. If Syl is scum and Ceph is town, Syl and Ceph reaching any kind of truce doesn't really influence what I think about Syl's earlier actions.

Also, I just read Syl's filter and don't see anything that clears up the specific issue of "Why is syl discrediting Ceph while not acting as if he thinks Ceph is mafia." If you can show me that then I *might* be able to accept your null read but as it is you're being pretty dodgy about this.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 05 2013 23:23 GMT
#737
hey OO since you weren't here for lynch I'd like you to give us a rundown on how you think the lynch went down and what if any scum influence you think there might have been that caused it
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 05 2013 23:24 GMT
#738
On November 06 2013 08:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey OO since you weren't here for lynch I'd like you to give us a rundown on how you think the lynch went down and what if any scum influence you think there might have been that caused it

Ya, just doing my vote count thing at the moment. I'll hit that up next.

Also @Sn0:
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Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 23:29 GMT
#739
On November 06 2013 08:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 06 2013 08:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hm? You didn't answer my question. What was the motivation behing your original post? And I still want to hear your opinion on what I brought up, idc that Ceph and sylencia already talked about it because none of them are named raynpelikoneet.

I am focused on the fact that you bring it up now for two reasons (which i think i told already - i think that's what you are asking - if not, please clarify):
(1) When the issue could have been important you did not bring it up. Instead you voted for the guy who did infact bring it up in the first place. That's odd imo.
(2) I do not think what hz brought up means anything, because i felt like syl - ceph cleared the issue up to some extent in thread, and havn't talked since. It's a null tell for Sylencia.


1) I did not say so at the time but part of what initially made me hesitant about hzflank WAS what he said about Sylencia. Had he not said anything and not given a coherent argument I might have still lynched him. Also, expecting me to have already examined a 20 hr old post is weird. Do you expect me to follow up and do research into every single post and make an issue over everything that happens? No, I don't think that's rational which is sorta making me suspect that you're trying to deflect what I'm bringing up by discrediting how I brought it up.

2) I don't remember what you're referring to but I don't know how much it even matters. If Syl is scum and Ceph is town, Syl and Ceph reaching any kind of truce doesn't really influence what I think about Syl's earlier actions.

Also, I just read Syl's filter and don't see anything that clears up the specific issue of "Why is syl discrediting Ceph while not acting as if he thinks Ceph is mafia." If you can show me that then I *might* be able to accept your null read but as it is you're being pretty dodgy about this.

(1) No, i expect you to follow up and do research on every post you think is important, which you clearly do, as you stated so. My issue is that the post has been in thread for 20 hours and if you feel like Sylencia has not explained himself why didn't you bring it up earlier? If that in fact is important don't you think that could have been information that could lead us into lynching scum?

(2)
You were tunnelling him for the majority of the time, and gave Van a scum read through association from your points about WoS. You've given points about other players, I agree, I just thought at the time you were way too focused on WoS, since that filter dive post looks like you were being overly nitpicky over everything he's done. It's not a bad thing to nitpick, there's just a point though where I think you were reaching for points which didn't necessarily imply anything but you put it in a context where it tries to make him look scummy (The first point I found was where you said he was pointing out his own mistakes, which isn't really that implicating)

I never said that you should ramble about how unsure you are about a player, but if you'regoing to vote for someone, why not just state why in the first place rather than make people question you? At least it becomes clear from the start where you are coming from. I can see that you answered when asked and you gave your reasoning fairly soon after, I just think it would've had the same effect with less questions about motive if you did it from the start.

From what i read here is "i might be wrong in what i said", no?
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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 05 2013 23:34 GMT
#740
On November 04 2013 11:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Looking the playerlist you are the guy i can work with the best.
I can't read OO for shit.
I hope Cephiro does not do dumb stuff like he did in Hogwarts.
Lurk Sylencia = lynch, otherwise idk
Sn0dude played really well in Hogwarts, i except that from him here aswell.
gumshoe ....
thrawn i misread on Desert until he actually started making sense, hope he does that too here
Umasi was good in some game as town i think? Says nothing = lynch
Onegu is tricky, damn he was tricky in Hogwarts. A guy to read closely.
ET is town or scum at last N1, based purely on Hogwarts.
hzflank i can read.
Vanesco noob, no idea. contribute or die.

and yeah, that's it.

Is sn0 meeting your expectations?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
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